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RB Jordan Mason, MIN (1 Viewer)

Yep - it’s why I spent a 5th on him.

2023 is probably a better bet though.
Yep, what? Breakdown that video for me so I can see why anything that happened it it suggests he elevated.himself above the 10 other guys who didn't do very much.

Most of that clip feels very out of context. Was he even playing with/against NFL talent? Or was it a bunch of UPS drivers & SkyCaps? Even then there were only a few marginally effective plays.
All I’m sayin is I saw some clips, and though he might someday do something.

Again: I do not believe that will be this year

Noting to break down - he’s a dynasty dart throw for being on a shanahan roster & beating out Sermon.
 
Yep - it’s why I spent a 5th on him.

2023 is probably a better bet though.
Yep, what? Breakdown that video for me so I can see why anything that happened it it suggests he elevated.himself above the 10 other guys who didn't do very much.

Most of that clip feels very out of context. Was he even playing with/against NFL talent? Or was it a bunch of UPS drivers & SkyCaps? Even then there were only a few marginally effective plays.
All I’m sayin is I saw some clips, and though he might someday do something.

Again: I do not believe that will be this year

Noting to break down - he’s a dynasty dart throw for being on a shanahan roster & beating out Sermon.
It’s gonna be a timeshare week 1. Shanny has already said he’s scared since last year he was down to his 4th rb in week 2. They’ll all get their chances and the cream always rises to the top! Woooo!
 
Yep - it’s why I spent a 5th on him.

2023 is probably a better bet though.
Yep, what? Breakdown that video for me so I can see why anything that happened it it suggests he elevated.himself above the 10 other guys who didn't do very much.

Most of that clip feels very out of context. Was he even playing with/against NFL talent? Or was it a bunch of UPS drivers & SkyCaps? Even then there were only a few marginally effective plays.
It’s okay if you can’t see traits or don’t have the patience to watch one of those plays several times. For instance on one of his chip blocks I watched it several times since the angle was far away. He popped the DE quite nicely and moved to the flat. You wouldn’t be able to tell from viewing the play once just how hard he popped him from that angle.

Also the screen play was nice too. He showed decent hands there plucking the ball and turning up field for a nice gain.

Also if you couldn’t tell that was garbage qb play I’m just gonna say sorry I guess?
I very much appreciate your analysis on that, but isn't that two plays entirely out of context and 10 or so other plays where almost nothing good happened? I mean why does that film make him more viable than TDP ATM?

At least the Minnesota tape showed him making multiple positive plays, against SkyCaps and UPS drivers.
 
Yep - it’s why I spent a 5th on him.

2023 is probably a better bet though.
Yep, what? Breakdown that video for me so I can see why anything that happened it it suggests he elevated.himself above the 10 other guys who didn't do very much.

Most of that clip feels very out of context. Was he even playing with/against NFL talent? Or was it a bunch of UPS drivers & SkyCaps? Even then there were only a few marginally effective plays.
All I’m sayin is I saw some clips, and though he might someday do something.

Again: I do not believe that will be this year

Noting to break down - he’s a dynasty dart throw for being on a shanahan roster & beating out Sermon.
It’s gonna be a timeshare week 1. Shanny has already said he’s scared since last year he was down to his 4th rb in week 2. They’ll all get their chances and the cream always rises to the top! Woooo!
And that, right there is why I want to bank on one of these guys. I'm just not sure why I'm not banking on the obvious choice of Wilson.

I've done a wonderful job talking myself out of Wilson, but when push comes to shove isn't he the obvious #2 in San Francisco?
 
Why do you think they used him extensively on passing downs in that game? They cut Hasty and Sermon for this cat and they wanted to see him get more work there.
 
Why do you think they used him extensively on passing downs in that game? They cut Hasty and Sermon for this cat and they wanted to see him get more work there.
I agree, cutting Sermon & Hasty, the Minnesota film and this thread is why I drafted him. But it wasn't just Mason, it was Mason and TDP that made Hasty & Sermon expendable. And didn't Hasty and Sermon, Sermon in particular, fail? It's not like beating them out is some great indicator of future success. Is it?
 
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I've done a wonderful job talking myself out of Wilson, but when push comes to shove isn't he the obvious #2 in San Francisco?
I love Wilson. He looks like he’s in awesome shape this year.

He’s had trouble staying vertical.

When he is, I think he might be better than Mitchell.
 
10 or so other plays where almost nothing good happened
Well when the video is literally every snap that he played, not specifically every play that went his way ... That's always going to include many plays that nothing good happens.
Of course, but we're there any true standout plays in that film? He did a good job in pass pro in one, gained a couple yards maybe, with and against a bunch of scrubs. I'm trying to figure how that film, or any other film on him, make him a good choice over TDP or, in particular Jeff Wilson?

My feeling is that I have a bit of recency bias in getting burned last season taking Sermon over Mitchell and Wilson. Taking Mason over TDP & Wilson feels like an overcorrection.
 
I've done a wonderful job talking myself out of Wilson, but when push comes to shove isn't he the obvious #2 in San Francisco?
I love Wilson. He looks like he’s in awesome shape this year.

He’s had trouble staying vertical.

When he is, I think he might be better than Mitchell.
The best ability is availability, that's why I avoid Wilson. Nothing to do with what he has done while available.
 
Just trying to figure out if I'm holding onto the right Mitchell backstop.

Or, again, in a redraft context is Mason your home run lottery pick or is:

Pickens
Doubs
Skye Moore
Wandale Robinson
Nico Collins
Alec Pierce
Pierre Strong
James Robinson
Zamir White
KJ Osborn
Isaiah Pacheco
Josh Palmer
Kadarius Toney
Jahan Dotson
Scantling
Kyren Williams

All of whom are available in my 12 team, PPR, super-flex redraft.

Logic tells me Wilson is the Mitchell backstop and, judging by confluence of film and camp reports Pickens is the home run pick.

Am I crazy?
 
Just trying to figure out if I'm holding onto the right Mitchell backstop.

Or, again, in a redraft context is Mason your home run lottery pick or is:

Pickens
Doubs
Skye Moore
Wandale Robinson
Nico Collins
Alec Pierce
Pierre Strong
James Robinson
Zamir White
KJ Osborn
Isaiah Pacheco
Josh Palmer
Kadarius Toney
Jahan Dotson
Scantling
Kyren Williams

All of whom are available in my 12 team, PPR, super-flex redraft.

Logic tells me Wilson is the Mitchell backstop and, judging by confluence of film and camp reports Pickens is the home run pick.

Am I crazy?
For redraft the list priorities are way different the dynasty, but yes. I agree with that assessment

That said, I wouldn’t be at all shocked to see Skyy Moore be the name to roster over any of them in redraft by midsession. Juju’s balky knee, and Hardman’s general lack of talent combined with Moore’s massive upside if he gets advanced PT in a Mahomes offense isn’t the worst lottery ticket either.

ETA Also if James Robinson gets right, he tops that list. Missed his name 1st pass.
 
Just trying to figure out if I'm holding onto the right Mitchell backstop.

Or, again, in a redraft context is Mason your home run lottery pick or is:

Pickens
Doubs
Skye Moore
Wandale Robinson
Nico Collins
Alec Pierce
Pierre Strong
James Robinson
Zamir White
KJ Osborn
Isaiah Pacheco
Josh Palmer
Kadarius Toney
Jahan Dotson
Scantling
Kyren Williams

All of whom are available in my 12 team, PPR, super-flex redraft.

Logic tells me Wilson is the Mitchell backstop and, judging by confluence of film and camp reports Pickens is the home run pick.

Am I crazy?
For redraft the list priorities are way different the dynasty, but yes. I agree with that assessment

That said, I wouldn’t be at all shocked to see Skyy Moore be the name to roster over any of them in redraft by midsession. Juju’s balky knee, and Hardman’s general lack of talent combined with Moore’s massive upside if he gets advanced PT in a Mahomes offense isn’t the worst lottery ticket either.

ETA Also if James Robinson gets right, he tops that list. Missed his name 1st pass.
Love this conversation guys. I like quite a few guys you listed including the kc rookies and the gb receiver.
 
Just trying to figure out if I'm holding onto the right Mitchell backstop.

Or, again, in a redraft context is Mason your home run lottery pick or is:

Pickens
Doubs
Skye Moore
Wandale Robinson
Nico Collins
Alec Pierce
Pierre Strong
James Robinson
Zamir White
KJ Osborn
Isaiah Pacheco
Josh Palmer
Kadarius Toney
Jahan Dotson
Scantling
Kyren Williams

All of whom are available in my 12 team, PPR, super-flex redraft.

Logic tells me Wilson is the Mitchell backstop and, judging by confluence of film and camp reports Pickens is the home run pick.

Am I crazy?
Wow one of these things it NOT like the other. One of these things just doesn't belong.
 
Wow one of these things it NOT like the other. One of these things just doesn't belong
Yes, judging from film and reports he's the home run choice. But those QBs, that o-line and three very good targets in front of him make a path to 2022 relevance difficult to see.
 
Wow one of these things it NOT like the other. One of these things just doesn't belong
Yes, judging from film and reports he's the home run choice. But those QBs, that o-line and three very good targets in front of him make a path to 2022 relevance difficult to see.
When I look for a homerun lottery pick the first thing I ask is "if everything goes right, what pays out most?". If you look for reasons not to draft guys like this you'll never draft anyone.
 
Wow one of these things it NOT like the other. One of these things just doesn't belong
Yes, judging from film and reports he's the home run choice. But those QBs, that o-line and three very good targets in front of him make a path to 2022 relevance difficult to see.
When I look for a homerun lottery pick the first thing I ask is "if everything goes right, what pays out most?". If you look for reasons not to draft guys like this you'll never draft anyone.
The first thing I look at is how high of a mountain does he have to climb and this guy has a big mountain to climb. By that I mean how many injuries has to happen, or is he just flat out better than the guy in front of him and the coaches believe that as well? Opportunity is still important in fantasy football. Yes, I know talent is crucial and to some degree draft capital, but let's assume most of the guys we are talking about for this discussion are true dart throws. Either late round selections or undrafted FAs. The way I see it is that Mason has to hurdle 3 other players right now. So that places him right on the bubble of making a fantasy roster in leagues with 12 teams / 24 players / 26 players. In shallow leagues he should be on the waiver wire.
 
Again: I do not believe that will be this year
Mitchell and Wilson aren’t exactly pillar of health so there is some chance it could be this year.
What about the guy they drafted in the 3rd round? That's a 3 saddle mountain. Sure, he could jump TDP, but all 3?
I’d say if Mitchell and Wilson go down one of them will step up - obviously I can’t say which one. With SF RBs I’ll only mess around with ones that are dirt cheap and that was Mason who cost me nothing but a roster spot.
I was able to grab both Wilson and Foster on waivers in one league and just Foster in another - willing to wait it out a bit since we have deep rosters.
 
Again: I do not believe that will be this year
Mitchell and Wilson aren’t exactly pillar of health so there is some chance it could be this year.
What about the guy they drafted in the 3rd round? That's a 3 saddle mountain. Sure, he could jump TDP, but all 3? I would think something like happened to Baltimore last year has to happen.

It pretty much happened last year with Mitchell...I think when you wade into the waters with Shanny and RBs it is anything goes...these guys are all worth rostering but if you count on them you are asking for trouble.
 
Just trying to figure out if I'm holding onto the right Mitchell backstop.

Or, again, in a redraft context is Mason your home run lottery pick or is:

Pickens
Doubs
Skye Moore
Wandale Robinson
Nico Collins
Alec Pierce
Pierre Strong
James Robinson
Zamir White
KJ Osborn
Isaiah Pacheco
Josh Palmer
Kadarius Toney
Jahan Dotson
Scantling
Kyren Williams

All of whom are available in my 12 team, PPR, super-flex redraft.

Logic tells me Wilson is the Mitchell backstop and, judging by confluence of film and camp reports Pickens is the home run pick.

Am I crazy?
nice list .your home run picks are Pickens and Nico Collins. Houston is going to score on ppl. they've got an offense, and a better than average QB in Mills.
Toney might be the home run pick but can/will he stay healthy?

The thing about Skyy is that he's an Andy Reid guy. Reid has a super long history of flubbing WR selections on draft day. I mean, the list is the length of I-95 from Florida to NY and beyond. let someone else take the bait,
it wouldn't surprise me to see SF make a trade for a RB - Mattison, Kareem Hunt, etc. Its the Patriots of the west, blurry backfield with no real lead dog.
 
What about the guy they drafted in the 3rd round? That's a 3 saddle mountain. Sure, he could jump TDP, but all 3?
This is why I bumped this thread, to figure out if, right now, it's a 2 or 3 saddle mountain.

Mitchell is the clear starter, Wilson is, IMO, the clear #2. Do we know TDP is next man up or is it a dart throw?
 
The first thing I look at is how high of a mountain does he have to climb and this guy has a big mountain to climb. By that I mean how many injuries has to happen, or is he just flat out better than the guy in front of him and the coaches believe that as well? Opportunity is still important in fantasy football. Yes, I know talent is crucial and to some degree draft capital, but let's assume most of the guys we are talking about for this discussion are true dart throws. Either late round selections or undrafted FAs. The way I see it is that Mason has to hurdle 3 other players right now. So that places him right on the bubble of making a fantasy roster in leagues with 12 teams / 24 players / 26 players. In shallow leagues he should be on the waiver wire.
Not sure if you read all of the quotes, but my comments were about Pickens, not Mason, from his list. No one on that list has low mountains to scale, that's why they are lottery picks available in round 12.
 
What about the guy they drafted in the 3rd round? That's a 3 saddle mountain. Sure, he could jump TDP, but all 3?
This is why I bumped this thread, to figure out if, right now, it's a 2 or 3 saddle mountain.

Mitchell is the clear starter, Wilson is, IMO, the clear #2. Do we know TDP is next man up or is it a dart throw?
I think we don't know for sure, but Mason looked as good as any RB on the roster this preseason. And the coaches do seem excited about him. TBD I'd say...and if you have the bench, definitely worth the stash
 
The first thing I look at is how high of a mountain does he have to climb and this guy has a big mountain to climb. By that I mean how many injuries has to happen, or is he just flat out better than the guy in front of him and the coaches believe that as well? Opportunity is still important in fantasy football. Yes, I know talent is crucial and to some degree draft capital, but let's assume most of the guys we are talking about for this discussion are true dart throws. Either late round selections or undrafted FAs. The way I see it is that Mason has to hurdle 3 other players right now. So that places him right on the bubble of making a fantasy roster in leagues with 12 teams / 24 players / 26 players. In shallow leagues he should be on the waiver wire.
Not sure if you read all of the quotes, but my comments were about Pickens, not Mason, from his list. No one on that list has low mountains to scale, that's why they are lottery picks available in round 12.
I thought this thread was about Mason, so I haven't paid any attention to any quotes about Pickens.
 
Most of those guys are worth rostering over mason for now. The good news though, if Mitchell gets hurt you can grab Mason for free and he will be one injury prone player away from starting. He's a strong hold in dynasty where the rosters are long. He's a watch closely in redraft and be ready to move on news/usage rate.
 
Most of those guys are worth rostering over mason for now. The good news though, if Mitchell gets hurt you can grab Mason for free and he will be one injury prone player away from starting. He's a strong hold in dynasty where the rosters are long. He's a watch closely in redraft and be ready to move on news.
You're assuming he leaps TDP.
 
You're assuming he leaps TDP.
Maybe he already has. I know nothing about anything when it comes to watching film BUT when I watch this guy he seems to have average burst, not much high end speed and, if I am seeing this correctly he doesn't really drop his pad level through tight spaces, in short yardage or anticipating contact. He'll drop a shoulder but he seems to stay vertical for the most part and NFL LBs will eat that for lunch.

There are some nice runs in there for sure, and he does seem to have the one-cut ability that thrives in Shanny's offense, but he also had some massive holes to run through.

AWWTFDIK?
 
Most of those guys are worth rostering over mason for now. The good news though, if Mitchell gets hurt you can grab Mason for free and he will be one injury prone player away from starting. He's a strong hold in dynasty where the rosters are long. He's a watch closely in redraft and be ready to move on news.
You're assuming he leaps TDP.
Not a far leap at all. I like Mason better from what I’ve seen and heard. You can keep your head in the sand though
 
It's a lotto ticket not a top 15 round pick. That's the whole point. It's identifying potential value in a murky situation. I also said he's not worth picking up in anything but dynasty with big benches...yet. He's a watch closely player. We watch his usage the first week. If Mitchell looks good and doesn't get hurt you keep him on the waiver. If he gets surprising usage or someone gets hurt then he's worth the short term add to see what happens.

These are the most ideal situations for end of the bench spots. They are players were you don't have to use faab or waiver position to aquire that can pay off later.
 
Most of those guys are worth rostering over mason for now. The good news though, if Mitchell gets hurt you can grab Mason for free and he will be one injury prone player away from starting. He's a strong hold in dynasty where the rosters are long. He's a watch closely in redraft and be ready to move on news.
You're assuming he leaps TDP.
Not a far leap at all. I like Mason better from what I’ve seen and heard. You can keep your head in the sand though
Keep my head in the sand? Wow, you are assuming a lot from a 3rd or 4th string RB. So in response to your insulting remark, you can keep your head in the clouds. I'm not saying not to roster Mason in dynasty leagues, I'm just pointing out to you that a lot....and I mean a lot....of things has to happen for him to be fantasy relevant in 2022.
 
As a Mitchell owner in redraft trying to figure out which backup to own, I think I am finally accepting that it is Jeff Wilson.

Between Mitchell & Wilson they will probably start 13-16 games rendering both TDP & Mason useless in 2022.

Last season in their 14 starts (Mitchell didn't start week 1 apparently) Mitchell/Wilson put up 280 touches, 1,286 yards & 7 TDs. Only 26 receptions between the two in their combined starts.

Still, that's a very nice composite RB3 on most magic football rosters.
 
I'm just pointing out to you that a lot....and I mean a lot....of things has to happen for him to be fantasy relevant in 2022
2 of those things seem to happen a lot (Mitchell and Wilson missing time). Really only one of those has to happen for him to get a shot - assuming he is ahead of TDP (which seems to have happened, but admittedly is not ensured).
 
Most of those guys are worth rostering over mason for now. The good news though, if Mitchell gets hurt you can grab Mason for free and he will be one injury prone player away from starting. He's a strong hold in dynasty where the rosters are long. He's a watch closely in redraft and be ready to move on news.
You're assuming he leaps TDP.
Not a far leap at all. I like Mason better from what I’ve seen and heard. You can keep your head in the sand though
Keep my head in the sand? Wow, you are assuming a lot from a 3rd or 4th string RB. So in response to your insulting remark, you can keep your head in the clouds. I'm not saying not to roster Mason in dynasty leagues, I'm just pointing out to you that a lot....and I mean a lot....of things has to happen for him to be fantasy relevant in 2022.
We’ll see where are heads are pretty soon. Can’t wait for week 1!
 
I rewatched Mitchell’s highlights from last year and he certainly slowed down as the year went on. I don’t think he had 4.3 speed down the stretch. He is a good back but is he a product of this system or would he ball out anywhere?
 

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