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RB Kaleb Johnson, PIT (2 Viewers)

Yeah, but Warren doesn’t need to be Jerome Bettis or Le’Veon Bell to hold off Johnson. He doesn’t even need be a better running talent, for that matter. All he needs to be is competent enough (get what’s blocked, don’t fumble, protect Rodgers, etc.) while Johnson is doing things like messing up kick returns.
Not everyone is suited to being a KR.

I’m hopeful he gets a few chances to show what he can do as a RB as the season wears on. I can’t imagine PIT winning a ton this year based on what I’ve seen so far. Possible, but also possible they’re a .500 team and will want to know what they have in Johnson before next year’s draft.
I own him, too. I picked him based on draft capital, what I perceived to be weak competition, and hype from fantasy analysts like Jeff Ratcliffe. That is, I failed to do proper due diligence.

But, after seeing his preseason film and reading reports from Steelers insiders, I instantly regretted it. And, now my patience is running very thin. Folks like Bloom and Lammey are already saying he’s a drop.

This is all redraft, of course. He’s still a strong hold in dynasty.
 
You get out of the doghouse faster if you good at football.

I don't know if he's good at football.
I don't think any of us do. He's had two carries in two games lol. We can definitely extrapolate this means the staff doesn't think he's good (enough) to start (yet). But that's about it.

And I think some people are massively overblowing the kick return thing. It wasn't a lazy thing or a skills thing. It was a not knowing the brand new rule thing. IMO, that's a strong reflection of the coaching staff, especially Tomlin and Danny Smith, as well as obviously on Kaleb. I feel like the other 31 special teams coaches in the league were simultaneously praising whatever higher power they believe in that it was another team's player making that mistake, as with rule changes like this there is almost always a blunder that proves to be the lesson the rest of the league learns from. You know every single ST coach included that play in film study Monday for their teams saying "DON'T DO THIS".

Considering it felt like half the posters here were already saying in August that this was Warrens job, and Kaleb would have to earn a spot, and it might take months if not most of the season to earn a role; it seems real odd to me to see many of the same names now saying "He's a bust!". Isn't this exactly what many of you predicted? Major learning curve, having to unseat a "vet" or whatever you'd like to call Warren, is hard and won't happen overnight?

Two carries and he's a bust lol... man... Maybe he will be. But maybe let's get more than two totes on tape before making that call. Heck, I'm giving Chase Brown at least two more WEEKS of subpar performance before jumping in his thread to dredge up all the comments where people clowned on me for saying he's an average talent at best RB feasting off volume in an offense helmed by a top 5 QB and top 2 WR in the league. Or jumping in the Daniels thread to point out when I said a month or two ago Washington offense is mid, people are way too high on it in general, and that he's an injury risk waiting to happen which will also tank the entire team if he goes down. *pats myself on back for being more patient with my gloating* :whistle: haha
Its not brand new rules. In any level of the game KJ has played in til now, if the other team picks up the ball on the kick off, they get the ball. There's really no excuse for him.

This is incorrect. It's a brand new rule, and I would imagine lots of people missed the change, probably including players/coaches.

You're correct that a ball not fielded in the field of play is a live ball on the kickoff. That is true in both the NFL and college.

However, prior to the new kickoff rules if a ball was kicked into the endzone it was automatically a touchback, whether it was fielded or not. The ball was only live if it was in the field of play, not in the endzone And that was true whether the ball went into the endzone in the air or rolled into the endzone.

The change with the new kickoff rules is that while a ball that lands in the endzone is still a dead ball, now if the ball lands in the field of play and rolls into the endzone, it is a live ball.

So prior to 2024 it was...

Ball lands in field of play - Live Ball
Ball lands in field of play and rolls into endzone - Dead ball, touchback
Ball lands in endzone - Dead ball, touchback

But now with the new kickoff rules it is...

Ball lands in landing zone - Live Ball
Ball lands in landing zone and rolls into endzone - Live ball <------ this is the change
Ball lands in endzone - Dead ball, touchback
What im saying is not imcorrect youre just being pedantic.
 
You get out of the doghouse faster if you good at football.

I don't know if he's good at football.
I don't think any of us do. He's had two carries in two games lol. We can definitely extrapolate this means the staff doesn't think he's good (enough) to start (yet). But that's about it.

And I think some people are massively overblowing the kick return thing. It wasn't a lazy thing or a skills thing. It was a not knowing the brand new rule thing. IMO, that's a strong reflection of the coaching staff, especially Tomlin and Danny Smith, as well as obviously on Kaleb. I feel like the other 31 special teams coaches in the league were simultaneously praising whatever higher power they believe in that it was another team's player making that mistake, as with rule changes like this there is almost always a blunder that proves to be the lesson the rest of the league learns from. You know every single ST coach included that play in film study Monday for their teams saying "DON'T DO THIS".

Considering it felt like half the posters here were already saying in August that this was Warrens job, and Kaleb would have to earn a spot, and it might take months if not most of the season to earn a role; it seems real odd to me to see many of the same names now saying "He's a bust!". Isn't this exactly what many of you predicted? Major learning curve, having to unseat a "vet" or whatever you'd like to call Warren, is hard and won't happen overnight?

Two carries and he's a bust lol... man... Maybe he will be. But maybe let's get more than two totes on tape before making that call. Heck, I'm giving Chase Brown at least two more WEEKS of subpar performance before jumping in his thread to dredge up all the comments where people clowned on me for saying he's an average talent at best RB feasting off volume in an offense helmed by a top 5 QB and top 2 WR in the league. Or jumping in the Daniels thread to point out when I said a month or two ago Washington offense is mid, people are way too high on it in general, and that he's an injury risk waiting to happen which will also tank the entire team if he goes down. *pats myself on back for being more patient with my gloating* :whistle: haha
Its not brand new rules. In any level of the game KJ has played in til now, if the other team picks up the ball on the kick off, they get the ball. There's really no excuse for him.

This is incorrect. It's a brand new rule, and I would imagine lots of people missed the change, probably including players/coaches.

You're correct that a ball not fielded in the field of play is a live ball on the kickoff. That is true in both the NFL and college.

However, prior to the new kickoff rules if a ball was kicked into the endzone it was automatically a touchback, whether it was fielded or not. The ball was only live if it was in the field of play, not in the endzone And that was true whether the ball went into the endzone in the air or rolled into the endzone.

The change with the new kickoff rules is that while a ball that lands in the endzone is still a dead ball, now if the ball lands in the field of play and rolls into the endzone, it is a live ball.

So prior to 2024 it was...

Ball lands in field of play - Live Ball
Ball lands in field of play and rolls into endzone - Dead ball, touchback
Ball lands in endzone - Dead ball, touchback

But now with the new kickoff rules it is...

Ball lands in landing zone - Live Ball
Ball lands in landing zone and rolls into endzone - Live ball <------ this is the change
Ball lands in endzone - Dead ball, touchback
What im saying is not imcorrect youre just being pedantic.

What are you talking about? If the kickoff went into the endzone it's always been an automatic touchback, until just recently when they changed it so if it rolls into the endzone it's now a live ball.

That's the play that happened here. Like @pinkstapler said, this scenario was a new rule change that made the ball live there whereas previously it would not have been.
 
You get out of the doghouse faster if you good at football.

I don't know if he's good at football.
I don't think any of us do. He's had two carries in two games lol. We can definitely extrapolate this means the staff doesn't think he's good (enough) to start (yet). But that's about it.

And I think some people are massively overblowing the kick return thing. It wasn't a lazy thing or a skills thing. It was a not knowing the brand new rule thing. IMO, that's a strong reflection of the coaching staff, especially Tomlin and Danny Smith, as well as obviously on Kaleb. I feel like the other 31 special teams coaches in the league were simultaneously praising whatever higher power they believe in that it was another team's player making that mistake, as with rule changes like this there is almost always a blunder that proves to be the lesson the rest of the league learns from. You know every single ST coach included that play in film study Monday for their teams saying "DON'T DO THIS".

Considering it felt like half the posters here were already saying in August that this was Warrens job, and Kaleb would have to earn a spot, and it might take months if not most of the season to earn a role; it seems real odd to me to see many of the same names now saying "He's a bust!". Isn't this exactly what many of you predicted? Major learning curve, having to unseat a "vet" or whatever you'd like to call Warren, is hard and won't happen overnight?

Two carries and he's a bust lol... man... Maybe he will be. But maybe let's get more than two totes on tape before making that call. Heck, I'm giving Chase Brown at least two more WEEKS of subpar performance before jumping in his thread to dredge up all the comments where people clowned on me for saying he's an average talent at best RB feasting off volume in an offense helmed by a top 5 QB and top 2 WR in the league. Or jumping in the Daniels thread to point out when I said a month or two ago Washington offense is mid, people are way too high on it in general, and that he's an injury risk waiting to happen which will also tank the entire team if he goes down. *pats myself on back for being more patient with my gloating* :whistle: haha
Its not brand new rules. In any level of the game KJ has played in til now, if the other team picks up the ball on the kick off, they get the ball. There's really no excuse for him.

This is incorrect. It's a brand new rule, and I would imagine lots of people missed the change, probably including players/coaches.

You're correct that a ball not fielded in the field of play is a live ball on the kickoff. That is true in both the NFL and college.

However, prior to the new kickoff rules if a ball was kicked into the endzone it was automatically a touchback, whether it was fielded or not. The ball was only live if it was in the field of play, not in the endzone And that was true whether the ball went into the endzone in the air or rolled into the endzone.

The change with the new kickoff rules is that while a ball that lands in the endzone is still a dead ball, now if the ball lands in the field of play and rolls into the endzone, it is a live ball.

So prior to 2024 it was...

Ball lands in field of play - Live Ball
Ball lands in field of play and rolls into endzone - Dead ball, touchback
Ball lands in endzone - Dead ball, touchback

But now with the new kickoff rules it is...

Ball lands in landing zone - Live Ball
Ball lands in landing zone and rolls into endzone - Live ball <------ this is the change
Ball lands in endzone - Dead ball, touchback
What im saying is not imcorrect youre just being pedantic.

What are you talking about? If the kickoff went into the endzone it's always been an automatic touchback, until just recently when they changed it so if it rolls into the endzone it's now a live ball.

That's the play that happened here. Like @pinkstapler said, this scenario was a new rule change that made the ball live there whereas previously it would not have been.
What im saying is, in kaleb johnsons career, the kickoft had always been a live ball. He wasnt in the nfl last year. In every game of Kaleb Johnson's career it's been like that.

Plus he touched the ball anyway.
 
Yeah, but Warren doesn’t need to be Jerome Bettis or Le’Veon Bell to hold off Johnson. He doesn’t even need be a better running talent, for that matter. All he needs to be is competent enough (get what’s blocked, don’t fumble, protect Rodgers, etc.) while Johnson is doing things like messing up kick returns.
Not everyone is suited to being a KR.

I’m hopeful he gets a few chances to show what he can do as a RB as the season wears on. I can’t imagine PIT winning a ton this year based on what I’ve seen so far. Possible, but also possible they’re a .500 team and will want to know what they have in Johnson before next year’s draft.
I agree that he should get some looks as a RB this season and I think he will but as a FF owner in a redraft he is droppable unless you have a lot of room on your roster.

As far as Pitt being a .500 team, the jury is still out. On paper this team should be better than they have shown. Maybe they will figure it out or maybe they won't. Lots of football yet to be played but thus far it has been really ugly.
 
You get out of the doghouse faster if you good at football.

I don't know if he's good at football.
I don't think any of us do. He's had two carries in two games lol. We can definitely extrapolate this means the staff doesn't think he's good (enough) to start (yet). But that's about it.

And I think some people are massively overblowing the kick return thing. It wasn't a lazy thing or a skills thing. It was a not knowing the brand new rule thing. IMO, that's a strong reflection of the coaching staff, especially Tomlin and Danny Smith, as well as obviously on Kaleb. I feel like the other 31 special teams coaches in the league were simultaneously praising whatever higher power they believe in that it was another team's player making that mistake, as with rule changes like this there is almost always a blunder that proves to be the lesson the rest of the league learns from. You know every single ST coach included that play in film study Monday for their teams saying "DON'T DO THIS".

Considering it felt like half the posters here were already saying in August that this was Warrens job, and Kaleb would have to earn a spot, and it might take months if not most of the season to earn a role; it seems real odd to me to see many of the same names now saying "He's a bust!". Isn't this exactly what many of you predicted? Major learning curve, having to unseat a "vet" or whatever you'd like to call Warren, is hard and won't happen overnight?

Two carries and he's a bust lol... man... Maybe he will be. But maybe let's get more than two totes on tape before making that call. Heck, I'm giving Chase Brown at least two more WEEKS of subpar performance before jumping in his thread to dredge up all the comments where people clowned on me for saying he's an average talent at best RB feasting off volume in an offense helmed by a top 5 QB and top 2 WR in the league. Or jumping in the Daniels thread to point out when I said a month or two ago Washington offense is mid, people are way too high on it in general, and that he's an injury risk waiting to happen which will also tank the entire team if he goes down. *pats myself on back for being more patient with my gloating* :whistle: haha
Its not brand new rules. In any level of the game KJ has played in til now, if the other team picks up the ball on the kick off, they get the ball. There's really no excuse for him.

This is incorrect. It's a brand new rule, and I would imagine lots of people missed the change, probably including players/coaches.

You're correct that a ball not fielded in the field of play is a live ball on the kickoff. That is true in both the NFL and college.

However, prior to the new kickoff rules if a ball was kicked into the endzone it was automatically a touchback, whether it was fielded or not. The ball was only live if it was in the field of play, not in the endzone And that was true whether the ball went into the endzone in the air or rolled into the endzone.

The change with the new kickoff rules is that while a ball that lands in the endzone is still a dead ball, now if the ball lands in the field of play and rolls into the endzone, it is a live ball.

So prior to 2024 it was...

Ball lands in field of play - Live Ball
Ball lands in field of play and rolls into endzone - Dead ball, touchback
Ball lands in endzone - Dead ball, touchback

But now with the new kickoff rules it is...

Ball lands in landing zone - Live Ball
Ball lands in landing zone and rolls into endzone - Live ball <------ this is the change
Ball lands in endzone - Dead ball, touchback
What im saying is not imcorrect youre just being pedantic.

What are you talking about? If the kickoff went into the endzone it's always been an automatic touchback, until just recently when they changed it so if it rolls into the endzone it's now a live ball.

That's the play that happened here. Like @pinkstapler said, this scenario was a new rule change that made the ball live there whereas previously it would not have been.
What im saying is, in kaleb johnsons career, the kickoft had always been a live ball. He wasnt in the nfl last year. In every game of Kaleb Johnson's career it's been like that.

Plus he touched the ball anyway.

In college if the ball rolls into the endzone it is not a live ball.

If he touched the ball then yes it is live but I haven't seen anything say that he touched it, just some speculation that it might have brushed his fingertips if they were to replay review it. The refs didn't signal that he touched it during the play.
 
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I never understood why things like this don't get you cut? Imagine going to work, and losing a contract for your employer.
Because the Steelers organization didn't lose a dime from this. No fans are going to stop buying merch or attending games or boycott the team. They'll still get exactly the same amount of money from the TV contracts.

We like to think that Super Bowls are the most important thing to a franchise but, it's all about the money. Winning a championship is a nice add on for an NFL franchise but, it doesn't increase the value of the franchise as much as we think. The most valuable NFL franchise is the next one that sells.

They can afford to let the rookie slide on this one.
 
Expecting Round 3 rookie RB Kaleb Johnson to be a healthy scratch for #Steelers tomorrow.1. Jaylen Warren2. Kenny Gainwell3. Trey Sermon
Another genius pick by the Tomlin regime.
You do realize that playing in the NFL is very difficult, right?
And he's proved he can't do it.
3 games. Jesus... tough crowd.

ETA: Oops, this is Week 3. So we know he cannot play in the NFL after *TWO* real games. Tough crowd.
 
Expecting Round 3 rookie RB Kaleb Johnson to be a healthy scratch for #Steelers tomorrow.1. Jaylen Warren2. Kenny Gainwell3. Trey Sermon
Another genius pick by the Tomlin regime.
You do realize that playing in the NFL is very difficult, right?
And he's proved he can't do it.
Kaleb has a grand total of 4 offensive snaps in his NFL career. After 4 snaps, Tom Brady was 1-for-3 for 6 yards and a 42 QB rating. Good thing you weren't his coach.
 
Expecting Round 3 rookie RB Kaleb Johnson to be a healthy scratch for #Steelers tomorrow.1. Jaylen Warren2. Kenny Gainwell3. Trey Sermon
Another genius pick by the Tomlin regime.
You do realize that playing in the NFL is very difficult, right?
And he's proved he can't do it.
Kaleb has a grand total of 4 offensive snaps in his NFL career. After 4 snaps, Tom Brady was 1-for-3 for 6 yards and a 42 QB rating. Good thing you weren't his coach.
Brady never accomplished anything
 
Expecting Round 3 rookie RB Kaleb Johnson to be a healthy scratch for #Steelers tomorrow.1. Jaylen Warren2. Kenny Gainwell3. Trey Sermon
Another genius pick by the Tomlin regime.
You do realize that playing in the NFL is very difficult, right?
And he's proved he can't do it.
Kaleb has a grand total of 4 offensive snaps in his NFL career. After 4 snaps, Tom Brady was 1-for-3 for 6 yards and a 42 QB rating. Good thing you weren't his coach.
Brady never accomplished anything
He cheated real good.
 
Expecting Round 3 rookie RB Kaleb Johnson to be a healthy scratch for #Steelers tomorrow.1. Jaylen Warren2. Kenny Gainwell3. Trey Sermon
Another genius pick by the Tomlin regime.
You do realize that playing in the NFL is very difficult, right?
And he's proved he can't do it.
Kaleb has a grand total of 4 offensive snaps in his NFL career. After 4 snaps, Tom Brady was 1-for-3 for 6 yards and a 42 QB rating. Good thing you weren't his coach.
Brady never accomplished anything

Yeah he never really turned things around. Brady averaged 1.6 yards per carry for his career.
 
I've started to come around on Kaleb again in redraft for the 2nd half of the year. I can't see Warren lasting the whole year at this pace and Gainwell is Gainwell. As bad as it was, the healthy scratch may be a wake up call for him that this ain't college. You can't coast here and still get 1700 yards and 29 TDs. Hopefully that put the fear of God into his heart and he sees his career flashing before his eyes.

I still think he's not relevant until weeks 9-10 but fresh legs on a potential playoff team down the stretch is a good thing to have. Especially if he's focused on staying in the NFL. So in deep bench legs, worth holding.
 
He was just dropped in my keeper league. Worth a end of bench spot, over lotto ticket backup RB’s?
 
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I’m adding him just in case. If he does something, he’ll be a hot add next week (although has a week five bye)
 
I’m adding him just in case. If he does something, he’ll be a hot add next week (although has a week five bye)
I'd like to add Kaleb, but I'd have to drop Warren due to the week 5 byes and injuries. Kaleb was drafted 1-2 rounds earlier just 6 weeks ago.
 
I’m adding him just in case. If he does something, he’ll be a hot add next week (although has a week five bye)
I'd like to add Kaleb, but I'd have to drop Warren due to the week 5 byes and injuries. Kaleb was drafted 1-2 rounds earlier just 6 weeks ago.
Yea I picked up Kaleb on Friday when Warren news came out but had forgotten that the guy in my league that drafted him got him in the 6th round.
 
I’m adding him just in case. If he does something, he’ll be a hot add next week (although has a week five bye)
Not bothering because of the bye.

Warren will be healthy after the bye. Probably strong odds if I picked him up this morning I'd drop him anyway come Wednesday.
 
Kaleb Johnson rushed six times for 22 yards in the Steelers’ Week 4 win over the Vikings.

Johnson didn’t touch the ball in Week 3 after making an egregious special teams mistake in Week 2. With Jaylen Warren out for today’s game, Johnson was elevated to RB2 duties versus Minnesota. He looked solid on the ground but did drop his only target. It was a step in the right direction for the rookie, even if he doesn’t have any fantasy appeal heading into the Steelers’ Week 5 bye.
- Rotoworld
It's over. Droppable after this game IMHO.
 

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