RB Kendre Miller, NO (1 Viewer)

[greenmountaingoat]

My league mates must have been turned off by the "Q" tag and perception of landing spot. I was sitting at 2.09 and wasn't expecting him to be even close. I started to get a little hot under the collar at 2.05 but nobody was biting on my 2.09+3.08. Mims, Spears, and Abanikanda went and I was just trying to stay calm. I blinked, offered 3.08 to flip with 2.08 and got my guy. 2.09 got his guy too as it turns out. Roschon. and let us know in the chat that Roschon was his guy all along lol.

I didn't study him much as I didn't have a pick in what I expected to be his range in either league but liking what folks are saying.

 

[Da Franchise]

My league mates must have been turned off by the "Q" tag and perception of landing spot. I was sitting at 2.09 and wasn't expecting him to be even close. I started to get a little hot under the collar at 2.05 but nobody was biting on my 2.09+3.08. Mims, Spears, and Abanikanda went and I was just trying to stay calm. I blinked, offered 3.08 to flip with 2.08 and got my guy. 2.09 got his guy too as it turns out. Roschon. and let us know in the chat that Roschon was his guy all along lol.

I didn't study him much as I didn't have a pick in what I expected to be his range in either league but liking what folks are saying.

Kendre and Roschon ended up being my RBs 4 and 5, with Achane at 3, but Achane is there to draft and trade early while the other two are guys I actually like and want to hold. Didn’t end up with any shares of them but I’ll be sniffing around them as trade targets if I see an opportunity. Roschon in particular seems like a classic buy low early in the season based on his projected competition. Kendre may get more run with a Kamara suspension pending but I’ll be looking for ways to snag him if his value stays quiet.

When push came to shove, I had Mingo and Rice higher than both RBs and drafted accordingly. But those 4 were in a “my guys” tier as targets in the 8-14 range. I’m excited about each of them. Had Spears here too early on, probably above all 4, but hearing he has no cartilage in his knee plus the acl thing and stuck behind Henry pushed him way down my board. Basically DND.

 

[League Champion]

Got him at 1.12 in a 12 team 1QB. Was pleasantly surprised he dropped to me.

I burned a decent pick not to take that chance and the way the draft went, I'm not sure I wouldn't have gotten him at 1.12, so I don't advise doing what I did nor am I looking for confirmation I necessarily made the right move. All sorts of arguments pro and con. I might have jumped the gun and not let the draft come to me. I'll do that sometimes. I spent a future first-round pick two years ago to for that year's 2.04 and 2.5 and took Micah Parsons and Jamin Davis, so my impatience suited me well there. Let's hope Miller has the same career arc as Parsons.

Don't, I took him at 1.04 in a Dynasty draft. I had him as the 3rd best RB (situation) and that's where he fell. It may not happen this season but I think we'll be very very happy going forth.

 

[JohnnyU]

My league mates must have been turned off by the "Q" tag and perception of landing spot. I was sitting at 2.09 and wasn't expecting him to be even close. I started to get a little hot under the collar at 2.05 but nobody was biting on my 2.09+3.08. Mims, Spears, and Abanikanda went and I was just trying to stay calm. I blinked, offered 3.08 to flip with 2.08 and got my guy. 2.09 got his guy too as it turns out. Roschon. and let us know in the chat that Roschon was his guy all along lol.

I didn't study him much as I didn't have a pick in what I expected to be his range in either league but liking what folks are saying.

Kendre and Roschon ended up being my RBs 4 and 5, with Achane at 3, but Achane is there to draft and trade early while the other two are guys I actually like and want to hold. Didn’t end up with any shares of them but I’ll be sniffing around them as trade targets if I see an opportunity. Roschon in particular seems like a classic buy low early in the season based on his projected competition. Kendre may get more run with a Kamara suspension pending but I’ll be looking for ways to snag him if his value stays quiet.

When push came to shove, I had Mingo and Rice higher than both RBs and drafted accordingly. But those 4 were in a “my guys” tier as targets in the 8-14 range. I’m excited about each of them. Had Spears here too early on, probably above all 4, but hearing he has no cartilage in his knee plus the acl thing and stuck behind Henry pushed him way down my board. Basically DND.

I would take both those RBs over Rice and Mingo, especially Rice.

 

[titusbramble]

Yeah, I've got both Rice and Mingo as for all intents and purposes DND but that's a discussion for another thread

 

[TartanLion]

Absolutely sprinted up to the podium to take him at 1.10 in my 1QB league. Had tried to move up to 1.08 and then 1.09 to try secure him and talks had not worked out. Now get him with no capital given up and also own Kamara & Jamaal. Outside of that I just love the tape though, he looks great all round

 

[JohnnyU]

Absolutely sprinted up to the podium to take him at 1.10 in my 1QB league. Had tried to move up to 1.08 and then 1.09 to try secure him and talks had not worked out. Now get him with no capital given up and also one Kamara & Jamaal. Outside of that I just love the tape though, he looks great all round

Would you take him over Mayer (1.25 ppr for TE), Zay Flowers, and LaPorta?

 

[Birdie048]

Absolutely sprinted up to the podium to take him at 1.10 in my 1QB league. Had tried to move up to 1.08 and then 1.09 to try secure him and talks had not worked out. Now get him with no capital given up and also one Kamara & Jamaal. Outside of that I just love the tape though, he looks great all round

Would you take him over Mayer (1.25 ppr for TE), Zay Flowers, and LaPorta?

That is the exact situation I am in currently ...
2.02 on the clock .. I have 2.03 ... I need RB help, but Mayer is available .. Flowers & LaPorte went.
Looking at Miller now and Musgrave at 2.08 since TE - P

 

[League Champion]

Absolutely sprinted up to the podium to take him at 1.10 in my 1QB league. Had tried to move up to 1.08 and then 1.09 to try secure him and talks had not worked out. Now get him with no capital given up and also one Kamara & Jamaal. Outside of that I just love the tape though, he looks great all round

Would you take him over Mayer (1.25 ppr for TE), Zay Flowers, and LaPorta?

I would, I did

 

[Faust]

Kendre Miller was a big play RB at TCU. The Saints believe he can do more in the NFL.

 

[menobrown]

Absolutely sprinted up to the podium to take him at 1.10 in my 1QB league. Had tried to move up to 1.08 and then 1.09 to try secure him and talks had not worked out. Now get him with no capital given up and also one Kamara & Jamaal. Outside of that I just love the tape though, he looks great all round

Would you take him over Mayer (1.25 ppr for TE), Zay Flowers, and LaPorta?

That is the exact situation I am in currently ...
2.02 on the clock .. I have 2.03 ... I need RB help, but Mayer is available .. Flowers & LaPorte went.
Looking at Miller now and Musgrave at 2.08 since TE - P

I'd do what Tartan did and would have if any of those players were still on the board.

Only caveat is I don't think he is the guy to help your RB spot next year. Some spot duty for suspension/injury is my anticipation.

 

[TartanLion]

Absolutely sprinted up to the podium to take him at 1.10 in my 1QB league. Had tried to move up to 1.08 and then 1.09 to try secure him and talks had not worked out. Now get him with no capital given up and also one Kamara & Jamaal. Outside of that I just love the tape though, he looks great all round

Would you take him over Mayer (1.25 ppr for TE), Zay Flowers, and LaPorta?

I’ve got no experience with TE premium but some of the guys I listen to say they aren’t considering TEs at that point unless it’s at least 1.5ppr for TE

 

[League Champion]

I love LaPorta but I can't pass up Miler, even in a TE premium league. I took Miller at 1.04 in a Dynasty League because I knew he was going top 10. The guy behind me at 1.05 was psssd at me, that was his guy as well.

 

[JohnnyU]

Absolutely sprinted up to the podium to take him at 1.10 in my 1QB league. Had tried to move up to 1.08 and then 1.09 to try secure him and talks had not worked out. Now get him with no capital given up and also one Kamara & Jamaal. Outside of that I just love the tape though, he looks great all round

Would you take him over Mayer (1.25 ppr for TE), Zay Flowers, and LaPorta?

That is the exact situation I am in currently ...
2.02 on the clock .. I have 2.03 ... I need RB help, but Mayer is available .. Flowers & LaPorte went.
Looking at Miller now and Musgrave at 2.08 since TE - P

I'd do what Tartan did and would have if any of those players were still on the board.

Only caveat is I don't think he is the guy to help your RB spot next year. Some spot duty for suspension/injury is my anticipation.

I wouldn’t be so sure about that.

 

[menobrown]

Absolutely sprinted up to the podium to take him at 1.10 in my 1QB league. Had tried to move up to 1.08 and then 1.09 to try secure him and talks had not worked out. Now get him with no capital given up and also one Kamara & Jamaal. Outside of that I just love the tape though, he looks great all round

Would you take him over Mayer (1.25 ppr for TE), Zay Flowers, and LaPorta?

That is the exact situation I am in currently ...
2.02 on the clock .. I have 2.03 ... I need RB help, but Mayer is available .. Flowers & LaPorte went.
Looking at Miller now and Musgrave at 2.08 since TE - P

I'd do what Tartan did and would have if any of those players were still on the board.

Only caveat is I don't think he is the guy to help your RB spot next year. Some spot duty for suspension/injury is my anticipation.

I wouldn’t be so sure about that.

Thanks for the hard hitting analysis, not sure how anyone can live without that info.

 

[menobrown]

I'll just say add.

I'm extremely big on Miller, already said I used 5 first round picks on him. I play in mainly 1.5 TE PPR leagues and took him consistently over every TE but Kincaid, and would have taken him over Flowers.

But for next season, and this is tricky to get an accurate handle on because of void years/bonus prorations but by my analysis they are paying Jamaal $4.5m for 2023 and Kamara around $13m. With that kind of financial commitment to those two RB's I'm extremely doubtful that Kendre will have a useful fantasy role next season so long as both are healthy, active and members of the team and I don't see anyone trading for either of them.

 

[JohnnyU]

Absolutely sprinted up to the podium to take him at 1.10 in my 1QB league. Had tried to move up to 1.08 and then 1.09 to try secure him and talks had not worked out. Now get him with no capital given up and also one Kamara & Jamaal. Outside of that I just love the tape though, he looks great all round

Would you take him over Mayer (1.25 ppr for TE), Zay Flowers, and LaPorta?

That is the exact situation I am in currently ...
2.02 on the clock .. I have 2.03 ... I need RB help, but Mayer is available .. Flowers & LaPorte went.
Looking at Miller now and Musgrave at 2.08 since TE - P

I'd do what Tartan did and would have if any of those players were still on the board.

Only caveat is I don't think he is the guy to help your RB spot next year. Some spot duty for suspension/injury is my anticipation.

I wouldn’t be so sure about that.

Thanks for the hard hitting analysis, not sure how anyone can live without that info.

I wouldn't call the response that I quoted as hard hitting either. Don't be such a Richard. You seem to be confrontational with a lot of people here.

 

[Birdie048]

Well, managed to get both Kendre Miller NOS RB and Michael Mayer LVR TE

Traded 2024 1st (late/2021 champ & lost finals 2022) for Juju Smith-Schuster NEP WR & 2.02 (KMiller) and I had 2.03 (Mayer)

 

[menobrown]

Absolutely sprinted up to the podium to take him at 1.10 in my 1QB league. Had tried to move up to 1.08 and then 1.09 to try secure him and talks had not worked out. Now get him with no capital given up and also one Kamara & Jamaal. Outside of that I just love the tape though, he looks great all round

Would you take him over Mayer (1.25 ppr for TE), Zay Flowers, and LaPorta?

That is the exact situation I am in currently ...
2.02 on the clock .. I have 2.03 ... I need RB help, but Mayer is available .. Flowers & LaPorte went.
Looking at Miller now and Musgrave at 2.08 since TE - P

I'd do what Tartan did and would have if any of those players were still on the board.

Only caveat is I don't think he is the guy to help your RB spot next year. Some spot duty for suspension/injury is my anticipation.

I wouldn’t be so sure about that.

Thanks for the hard hitting analysis, not sure how anyone can live without that info.

I wouldn't call the response that I quoted as hard hitting either. Don't be such a Richard. You seem to be confrontational with a lot of people here.

Not really but if you don't like what I have to say they have a feature for it.

 

[JohnnyU]

Absolutely sprinted up to the podium to take him at 1.10 in my 1QB league. Had tried to move up to 1.08 and then 1.09 to try secure him and talks had not worked out. Now get him with no capital given up and also one Kamara & Jamaal. Outside of that I just love the tape though, he looks great all round

Would you take him over Mayer (1.25 ppr for TE), Zay Flowers, and LaPorta?

That is the exact situation I am in currently ...
2.02 on the clock .. I have 2.03 ... I need RB help, but Mayer is available .. Flowers & LaPorte went.
Looking at Miller now and Musgrave at 2.08 since TE - P

I'd do what Tartan did and would have if any of those players were still on the board.

Only caveat is I don't think he is the guy to help your RB spot next year. Some spot duty for suspension/injury is my anticipation.

I wouldn’t be so sure about that.

Thanks for the hard hitting analysis, not sure how anyone can live without that info.

I wouldn't call the response that I quoted as hard hitting either. Don't be such a Richard. You seem to be confrontational with a lot of people here.

Not really but if you don't like what I have to say they have a feature for it.

Yes, really. I can read.

 

[finfansteve]

Maybe I need to watch more video but I’m just not seeing it with this guy. At least not enough to take him top 10 anyhow

 

[League Champion]

Maybe I need to watch more video but I’m just not seeing it with this guy. At least not enough to take him top 10 anyhow

Really? His tape is great, not much to not like. You have to factor in the situation when you draft a running back in Dynasty. He's in a great spot. Kamara and Williams both have 1 foot out the door and the other on a banana peel. Baring a disaster, he's the RB1 next season.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

This guy really does seem to spread out the dynasty vs redraft value. Long term he seems like a keeper. This year not so much.

 

[dipandglide]

I can't stop drafting him. He's got the most upside outside the top few tiers of players

 

[sheerterror]

I grabbed him 8.2 in an FFPC start up. Next 5 RB's off the board were: Brian Robinson, AJ Dillon, David Montgomery, Khalil Herbert and Alvin Kamara.

 

[Faust]

Saints rookie RB Kendre Miller confident he 'can step in,' 'pretty much do' same things as Alvin Kamara

 

[Birdie048]

I'll just say add.

I'm extremely big on Miller, already said I used 5 first round picks on him. I play in mainly 1.5 TE PPR leagues and took him consistently over every TE but Kincaid, and would have taken him over Flowers.

But for next season, and this is tricky to get an accurate handle on because of void years/bonus prorations but by my analysis they are paying Jamaal $4.5m for 2023 and Kamara around $13m. With that kind of financial commitment to those two RB's I'm extremely doubtful that Kendre will have a useful fantasy role next season so long as both are healthy, active and members of the team and I don't see anyone trading for either of them.

I am not sure of the details, but I read that even if Kamara is not found guilty in court, the NFL can still support (NFLPA, NOS FO) his forfeiture of his bonus and guarantees due to the event related to the expected suspension. I don't know what Waldman was thinking implying Kamara would walk away NG, but the video and audio evidence are pretty damning to his defense (if admitted of course). But the NFL could still suspend him based on "Image of the Shield" clause every player contact contains.
So Kamara 2023 salary impact might be severely reduced and Jamaal is a good role model for Miller. The FO might not want Kamara around Miller due to the off-field issues and behavior they are trying to instill recently.

As for Kendre Miller, I see him as a versatile RB and was considering him 1.07/1.08 picks. If not for Charbonnet & Addison falling to me, I would have taken him and Kincaid.
Miller offers long term value and I had him as RB3-4 with Charbonnet.
NOS is expected to utilize his hands as well as feet. In PPR, he will be valuable IMO.

 

[menobrown]

I am not sure of the details, but I read that even if Kamara is not found guilty in court, the NFL can still support (NFLPA, NOS FO) his forfeiture of his bonus and guarantees due to the event related to the expected suspension.

That's bad info. Some contracts have clauses where it voids guarantees but he's already been paid for this upcoming year. The team had some salary cap issues but they had other means and instead they showed him an incredible commitment by taking most of his base and converting it to salary. There is zilch the league can do to retrieve that money.

So Kamara 2023 salary impact might be severely reduced

Again covered this above. He's got about $1m in base salary and will lose 1/17th of that for any games he's suspended which is close to nothing.

 

[menobrown]

So Kamara 2023 salary impact might be severely reduced and Jamaal is a good role model for Miller. The FO might not want Kamara around Miller due to the off-field issues and behavior they are trying to instill recently.

I'd add I think you are jumping a to lot of conclusions on the person that Kamara is over one incident. I don't think your sentiments are shared by the Saints decision makers.

 

[JohnnyU]

So Kamara 2023 salary impact might be severely reduced and Jamaal is a good role model for Miller. The FO might not want Kamara around Miller due to the off-field issues and behavior they are trying to instill recently.

I'd add I think you are jumping a to lot of conclusions on the person that Kamara is over one incident. I don't think your sentiments are shared by the Saints decision makers.

We don’t know what sentiments are shared by the Saints decision makers, but I agree there is nothing supporting his statement either.

 

[menobrown]

So Kamara 2023 salary impact might be severely reduced and Jamaal is a good role model for Miller. The FO might not want Kamara around Miller due to the off-field issues and behavior they are trying to instill recently.

I'd add I think you are jumping a to lot of conclusions on the person that Kamara is over one incident. I don't think your sentiments are shared by the Saints decision makers.

We don’t know what sentiments are shared by the Saints decision makers, but I agree there is nothing supporting his statement either.

Actions give you an idea and their commitment to him and teams don't typically stay committed or increase that level of commitment to older RB's if they view them as having off the field issues or locker room cancer types. To compare what is going on with the Vikings and Dalvin is not going on here and he's remained clean off the field for as far as I know and the Vikings have hung a for sale sign on him and will cut him if he does not take a pay cut. There has never been one credible source that has reported the Saints were ever thinking of doing this with Kamara. Instead they paid him most of his money already for 2023 and it can't be touched with a possible suspension. That's commitment. That's a sign of how the team views him.

Dennis Allen said the reason they signed Jamaal and drafted Kendre Miller was to take some of the load off Kamara and keep everyone healthy for 17 games. Again there is nothing to any notion that Kamara or the Saints are parting ways. Now after the 2023 season they might, his cap number is huge but that will likely depend on how he plays but a 29 year old RB with a huge cap number has to be playing at an extreme high level.


So we may not know for sure, not like teams announce this, but I think we have enough evidence to have a pretty good idea that the Saints have zero intention of getting rid of Kamara for the 2023 season and they've given every indication they remain in his corner and their commitment to him has not wavered. And again, if he was some off the field cancer type I don't think you have this level of commitment.

 

[bostonfred]

Loomis did that with a lot of players. I think they gave like 9 guys similar contracts including carr and Michael Thomas to the tune of hundreds of millions. Jim and pat were talking about it on moving the chains recently.

Here's the relevant contract transactions from spotrac

MAR 13 2023 Converted $8.32M of 2023 salary plus a $1M roster bonus into signing bonus, adding 1 void year, clearing $7.4M of cap with New Orleans (NO)

MAR 11 2022 Converted a $6M roster bonus & $4.465M of 2022 salary into signing bonus, adding one void year, freeing $8.372M of cap with New Orleans (NO)

JAN 1 2021Fined $5,000 Uniform violation (red & green cleats)

SEP 12 2020Signed a 5 year $75 million contract extension with New Orleans (NO)

They do have an out in 2024... they'd still have to eat some dead cap but they have to anyways and they'd save a couple million in the form of roster bonus and salary.

 

[Birdie048]

Appreciate all the update info.
So the value Kendre might have should be viewed as 2024 and beyond.
2023 season will be “welcome to NFL; show us what you have in practice; limited on field real value; evaluate and re-asses in Spring 2024”.

 

[JohnnyU]

Appreciate all the update info.
So the value Kendre might have should be viewed as 2024 and beyond.
2023 season will be “welcome to NFL; show us what you have in practice; limited on field real value; evaluate and re-asses in Spring 2024”.

I think he’s going to be on the field a lot this year. Especially if Kamara is suspended, and he will be IMO.

 

[menobrown]

Appreciate all the update info.
So the value Kendre might have should be viewed as 2024 and beyond.
2023 season will be “welcome to NFL; show us what you have in practice; limited on field real value; evaluate and re-asses in Spring 2024”.

I think he’s going to be on the field a lot this year. Especially if Kamara is suspended, and he will be IMO.

He's for sure someone to pick up in redrafts.

There is always a slim chance he's so good he just forces his way onto the field over one of the vet's but I think he's going to have to be extremely good and/or one of these RB's look like total crap but he might get a shot early so possible. Don't forget that Jamaal's money is guaranteed next season as well so the financial commitment to the two vets is large and beyond this year and would take a lot to move them out of the way. I personally think they made a mistake signing Jamaal but that's really not relevant anymore.

So for me I'm operating under most likely situation he is insurance and will need an injury/suspension to have a meaningful fantasy role.

Injuries are self explanatory but when you only need 1 of 2 players to get hurt vs one particular player the odds are better IMO even if the workload is split up more. Two 28 year old RB's staying healthy for 17 games likely does not happen.

As for Kamara's suspension. It's a mortal lock once his court case is adjudicated the league is going to suspend him. However, while his next court date is July 31st, if he does not settle and pushes his court date or verdict in his trial past the season he will avoid a suspension next season. It's that simple for him to avoid a suspension next year, nothing complicated. Saying that I don't have any idea how possible this would be to do in Clark County. Maybe easy, maybe not. But I am not assuming he is getting suspended more something I would phrase as more likely then not he will be next season. If he does get suspended we don't know how long, all just a bit of a guessing game . I've been drafting since January and have been drafting using what is my best guess which is he's suspended for weeks 1-6 which again would be good for Kendre in the sense he'd have an immediate chance to show he's indispensable.

 

[MAC_32]

I can't stop drafting him. He's got the most upside outside the top few tiers of players

Why do you think he has so much upside? I think he'll be an effective 2 downer, but isn't a special enough talent to command workhorse carries and any passing game skills are unknown. Also legitimate reason to be side eyed about how he accumulated his production since TCU's scheme lends itself to playing against light boxes.

 

[Faust]

Saints RB Kendre Miller (knee) didn't participate at rookie OTAs.​

Miller, who tore his meniscus in January, wasn't cleared for on-field drills at rookie workouts. The Saints plan to take it easy on Miller, limiting him to side work this offseason. Miller should be 100 percent for the start of the Saints' preseason.
SOURCE: saints.com
May 19, 2023, 6:29 PM ET

 

[Boston]

I can't stop drafting him. He's got the most upside outside the top few tiers of players

Why do you think he has so much upside? I think he'll be an effective 2 downer, but isn't a special enough talent to command workhorse carries and any passing game skills are unknown. Also legitimate reason to be side eyed about how he accumulated his production since TCU's scheme lends itself to playing against light boxes.

I think this is a good perspective which adds to the overall analysis because a lot of it appears to be very optimistic on the upside...after Bijan and Gibbs (and especially with Charbonnet going to Seattle) RB gets pretty clouded and I think that is really helping Miller's value...I do think Miller will be a solid real RB but unless he factors into the passing game, I have questions about how he will carve out a path to fantasy relevance now and later because if he can't I fully expect NO to bring in another good RB once they are ready to move on from Kamara.

 

[JohnnyU]

I can't stop drafting him. He's got the most upside outside the top few tiers of players

Why do you think he has so much upside? I think he'll be an effective 2 downer, but isn't a special enough talent to command workhorse carries and any passing game skills are unknown. Also legitimate reason to be side eyed about how he accumulated his production since TCU's scheme lends itself to playing against light boxes.

I think this is a good perspective which adds to the overall analysis because a lot of it appears to be very optimistic on the upside...after Bijan and Gibbs (and especially with Charbonnet going to Seattle) RB gets pretty clouded and I think that is really helping Miller's value...I do think Miller will be a solid real RB but unless he factors into the passing game, I have questions about how he will carve out a path to fantasy relevance now and later because if he can't I fully expect NO to bring in another good RB once they are ready to move on from Kamara.

I believe they like Miller a lot and trusted him enough to take in the 3rd round. I agree his receiving skills are unknown and isn't overly explosive, but has enough speed to beat linebackers. He was asked to pick up blitzes often and has the strength to anchor and stand up blitzers, so that won't hinder him getting on the field. What I truly love about Miller is his vision. He has a knack for picking out cut-back lanes and then breaking off chunks of yardage.

 

[Boston]

I can't stop drafting him. He's got the most upside outside the top few tiers of players

Why do you think he has so much upside? I think he'll be an effective 2 downer, but isn't a special enough talent to command workhorse carries and any passing game skills are unknown. Also legitimate reason to be side eyed about how he accumulated his production since TCU's scheme lends itself to playing against light boxes.

I think this is a good perspective which adds to the overall analysis because a lot of it appears to be very optimistic on the upside...after Bijan and Gibbs (and especially with Charbonnet going to Seattle) RB gets pretty clouded and I think that is really helping Miller's value...I do think Miller will be a solid real RB but unless he factors into the passing game, I have questions about how he will carve out a path to fantasy relevance now and later because if he can't I fully expect NO to bring in another good RB once they are ready to move on from Kamara.

I believe they like Miller a lot and trusted him enough to take in the 3rd round. I agree his receiving skills are unknown and isn't overly explosive, but has enough speed to beat linebackers. He was asked to pick up blitzes often and has the strength to anchor and stand up blitzers, so that won't hinder him getting on the field. What I truly love about Miller is his vision. He has a knack for picking out cut-back lanes and then breaking off chunks of yardage.

This is another quality analysis focusing on the upside...he is a solid prospect...but like Mac I still see roadblocks to fantasy relevance.

 

[JohnnyU]

I can't stop drafting him. He's got the most upside outside the top few tiers of players

Why do you think he has so much upside? I think he'll be an effective 2 downer, but isn't a special enough talent to command workhorse carries and any passing game skills are unknown. Also legitimate reason to be side eyed about how he accumulated his production since TCU's scheme lends itself to playing against light boxes.

I think this is a good perspective which adds to the overall analysis because a lot of it appears to be very optimistic on the upside...after Bijan and Gibbs (and especially with Charbonnet going to Seattle) RB gets pretty clouded and I think that is really helping Miller's value...I do think Miller will be a solid real RB but unless he factors into the passing game, I have questions about how he will carve out a path to fantasy relevance now and later because if he can't I fully expect NO to bring in another good RB once they are ready to move on from Kamara.

I believe they like Miller a lot and trusted him enough to take in the 3rd round. I agree his receiving skills are unknown and isn't overly explosive, but has enough speed to beat linebackers. He was asked to pick up blitzes often and has the strength to anchor and stand up blitzers, so that won't hinder him getting on the field. What I truly love about Miller is his vision. He has a knack for picking out cut-back lanes and then breaking off chunks of yardage.

This is another quality analysis focusing on the upside...he is a solid prospect...but like Mac I still see roadblocks to fantasy relevance.

I believe he will get plenty of opportunity while Kamara parks his butt at home during his suspension. Yes, I believe that is coming. If he proves his metal, he will be hard to keep off the field. Of course we don't know how this will play out, he could suck, but he's in a good opportunity. Williams will still hog the TDs however. I didn't paint an entirely rosy picture. I did say his receiving ability is unknown and he may just be a dump off RB and that he wasn't overly explosive, but fast enough to beat linebackers to the edge.

 

[menobrown]

how he accumulated his production since TCU's scheme lends itself to playing against light boxes.

Do we have numbers on this comparative to the rest of the class?

 

[dipandglide]

I can't stop drafting him. He's got the most upside outside the top few tiers of players

Why do you think he has so much upside? I think he'll be an effective 2 downer, but isn't a special enough talent to command workhorse carries and any passing game skills are unknown. Also legitimate reason to be side eyed about how he accumulated his production since TCU's scheme lends itself to playing against light boxes.

Talent, youth, draft capital, and landing spot. He's not a finished product and can develop into a three-down back. I don't understand why people label him a "2 downer"

I like what another poster mentioned about 2023 being a throwaway year for Miller. I'd guess he'll get 150 touches. But more importantly, he'll get to learn from solid pros like Kamara and Williams (this is where he has a chance to develop into a 3 downer). Miller is a lotto pull for 2024 and beyond.

Let's flip the question back to you. Why is he capped as a "2 downer"? Do you not think he has the skill set to develop into a 3 downer?

 

[dipandglide]

I can't stop drafting him. He's got the most upside outside the top few tiers of players

Why do you think he has so much upside? I think he'll be an effective 2 downer, but isn't a special enough talent to command workhorse carries and any passing game skills are unknown. Also legitimate reason to be side eyed about how he accumulated his production since TCU's scheme lends itself to playing against light boxes.

I think this is a good perspective which adds to the overall analysis because a lot of it appears to be very optimistic on the upside...after Bijan and Gibbs (and especially with Charbonnet going to Seattle) RB gets pretty clouded and I think that is really helping Miller's value...I do think Miller will be a solid real RB but unless he factors into the passing game, I have questions about how he will carve out a path to fantasy relevance now and later because if he can't I fully expect NO to bring in another good RB once they are ready to move on from Kamara.

Miller isn't an expensive investment. You can get Miller for a late 1st or early 2nd. The upside at that price point is enough for me to keep swinging for the fences.

Charbonnet is the safer pick if deciding between the two. I'd take Charbs if you want "safe", and Miller if you want to gamble.

 

[MAC_32]

how he accumulated his production since TCU's scheme lends itself to playing against light boxes.

Do we have numbers on this comparative to the rest of the class?

I'll see if I can find it next time at a computer. Phone searching is failing me. I recall it being significantly different though.

 

[MAC_32]

how he accumulated his production since TCU's scheme lends itself to playing against light boxes.

Do we have numbers on this comparative to the rest of the class?

I'll see if I can find it next time at a computer. Phone searching is failing me. I recall it being significantly different though.

It's both him and Gibbs

Achane 47%
Spears and Robinson 46%
Charbonnet 41%
Gibbs 29%
Miller 25%

 

[MAC_32]

Let's flip the question back to you. Why is he capped as a "2 downer"? Do you not think he has the skill set to develop into a 3 downer?

Isn't what I said - I said passing game is an unknown. There isn't any evidence to indicate he can or can't. I'm unaware how things played out on the market, but as a contextual example I had 1.12 and could have picked Miller. Instead I traded it for 2.7 and a future 2 then took Spears at 2.7 (Miller went 2.2). I think Spears has quite a bit more risk than Miller, but if I'm prioritizing upside 2024 and beyond I think him + draft capital is the play cause when it comes to these types I think volume is more important than flag planting.

 

[bostonfred]

He has good size and great contact balance. I don't care how many guys are in the box, you can clearly see how he responds when he's hit in the backfield or through the line of scrimmage.

He's got good vision. Hard to know how much of that was having good holes to run through because he wasn't facing stacked boxes but he made some really nice unplanned cutbacks. You can also see him show off his field sense when he's in the defensive backfield and dodging multiple defenders.

He's got good acceleration. There are several highlight runs where he gets stopped and then breaks free and accelerates away from the defense. I don't have combine numbers to prove it but you can see him take carries to the outside and get to the corner easily.

It doesn't prove anything, but Tcu had a Cinderella season with him and got absolutely demolished in the title game without him.

The saints have said they think he can catch and they plan to use him that way too.

He's got early round 3 draft capital and was the 4th back off the board in a relatively strong rb draft class.

I see him as a really good player in a good situation.

 

[bostonfred]

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This is a good game to get a sense of him as a player. Big 12 title game against a top ten opponent. Not a highlight reel tape, he doesn't break any crazy long runs and he gets stuffed on the goal line twice in ot so i think it's a pretty fair game to watch. You can see a couple really good runs at 25 seconds and again around 1:30ish but you also see him grind in between. He gets a couple pass targets and gets a modest gain on one and makes a one handed catch on the other before getting popped.

 

[Birdie048]

The saints have said they think he can catch and they plan to use him that way too.

He's got early round 3 draft capital and was the 4th back off the board in a relatively strong rb draft class.

I see him as a really good player in a good situation.

1000% Agree.

Reports are that Miller was working with the Jugs machine during camp and the coaches were impressed.
NFL Report - "Step in do anything"

"It was something I never got to show (at TCU)," Miller said. "The coaches here, they've got me on the Jugs (machine) and the tennis ball machines. They were like, we knew it was in you, that's why we drafted you, we know you can catch. Just showing everybody else in the world my ability will be a big thing for me, and I'm ready to get out there and compete.

I had him & Zach Charbonnet at RB3 & RB4 pre-Draft (I ended up with both as fortune smiled on me)
Miller being the 4th RB off the board is a strong indicator also (IMO).
I see his 2023 value as a mixed opportunity and a chance for him to showcase his skillset and talent. I project NOS will be utilizing him significantly in 2024