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RB Kendre Miller, NO (1 Viewer)
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rockaction
Footballguy
I won't be flip and call it Schmeaby because I'm sorry you have to live with .10 in your lineup score in the finals. That sucks. Good luck with the rest of them.
Jacob's Ladder
Footballguy
This guy is just bad. Talent, work ethic, injury, intelligence? Who knows the reason, who cares at this point? I'm done, no more. 
Looks like Vegas was way off on this one WOOF
KellysHeroes
Footballguy
NO finally took an RB in the 6th after skipping on 1 even though they had multiple 3rds and 4ths... could of been a lot worse. Thinking Miller is getting 1 last chance
KellysHeroes
Footballguy
i know Miller has been disappointing but if the Saints really felt RB was a need they would of a) signed an FA or b) not wait until their 7th pick in the draft
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Disappointing? Hes been non-existent. I personally think Neal is a better prospect than Miller was.
eighsse2
Footballguy
I like Miller, but I don't think your point stands very well ... They have Kamara. It's great to have a good backup but when you have Kamara RB is not a need in the first place.
brewer
Footballguy
Miller and Dennis Allen never got along. I think he will have every chance to win the RB2 spot with the new regime.
Sure, he could continue to disappoint, but I don't quite get calling him one of the biggest losers of the draft day simply because the Saints took a running back in the 6th round.
Sure, he could continue to disappoint, but I don't quite get calling him one of the biggest losers of the draft day simply because the Saints took a running back in the 6th round.
sushinsky4tsar
Footballguy
I liked Devin Neal coming into the draft, viewing him as a favorite in a huge tier of RB options at the 2.3 of a 1QB dynasty rookie draft. He sounds like a polished back that checks a lot of boxes, with questions of just how much "juice" there actually is. A guy that will stick and by valued by NFL coaches, with big question marks about whether that's sticking as a starter, committee back, or a career backup.
The NFL wasn't shy about using 1st, 2nd, 3rds, 4ths, and 5ths on RBs in this draft, despite the depth. He was passed on and taken as the RB17. I do like the landing spot for Neal with Kamara's age and Miller's injury struggles.... but he's a 6th round pick. Miller had the voltage to get drafted in the 3rd. Obviously, he's been a disappointment with the injures, but the 3rd round pedigree has flashed on a very limited basis in NFL action. Availability has been the issue. Very publicly being in the coach's doghouse over said injuries probably hasn't been helpful either.
I would have been extremely bullish on Devin Neal the 4th rounder at this spot. Devin Neal the 6th rounder? That's pretty close to the best Kendre Miller managers could have hoped for coming into the draft imo. We should all know this guy is one more soft tissue injury away from being forgotten. If he does manage to stay healthy, I still think next man up after Kamara is there for him.
For a 6th rounder, I still like Neal. Moved him to the bottom of round 2. More realistically, a guy I'm happy to spend a 3rd rounder on. Not an uphill journey to win out over Miller, because there's a great chance Kendre scratches with another injury. Getting the backup job and doing enough with it that NO doesn't invest in a top RB when Kamara exits, that's going to be a very steep uphill climb.
The NFL wasn't shy about using 1st, 2nd, 3rds, 4ths, and 5ths on RBs in this draft, despite the depth. He was passed on and taken as the RB17. I do like the landing spot for Neal with Kamara's age and Miller's injury struggles.... but he's a 6th round pick. Miller had the voltage to get drafted in the 3rd. Obviously, he's been a disappointment with the injures, but the 3rd round pedigree has flashed on a very limited basis in NFL action. Availability has been the issue. Very publicly being in the coach's doghouse over said injuries probably hasn't been helpful either.
I would have been extremely bullish on Devin Neal the 4th rounder at this spot. Devin Neal the 6th rounder? That's pretty close to the best Kendre Miller managers could have hoped for coming into the draft imo. We should all know this guy is one more soft tissue injury away from being forgotten. If he does manage to stay healthy, I still think next man up after Kamara is there for him.
For a 6th rounder, I still like Neal. Moved him to the bottom of round 2. More realistically, a guy I'm happy to spend a 3rd rounder on. Not an uphill journey to win out over Miller, because there's a great chance Kendre scratches with another injury. Getting the backup job and doing enough with it that NO doesn't invest in a top RB when Kamara exits, that's going to be a very steep uphill climb.
dipandglide
Footballguy
Did NO draft another RB than Neal in the 6th? What am I missing?
Miller hasn't exactly set the world on fire. Neal looks like on of the better backs in this very deep class.
I dont think it is too far fetched to suggest that Miller could end up dropping down the chart behind Neal or off the roster if they sign a vet back up to Kamara. Just seems to be that he is more at risk than many other RBs after the draft.
I dont think it is too far fetched to suggest that Miller could end up dropping down the chart behind Neal or off the roster if they sign a vet back up to Kamara. Just seems to be that he is more at risk than many other RBs after the draft.
In his defense he fought off CEH in the off season depth chart war.
sushinsky4tsar
Footballguy
I think most rational Kendre Miller shareholders understand the guy is falling into the abyss with one more injury setback. Particularly, an early one during camp before he's able to build any equity in season. That's what knocks him out. That's when a veteran of consequence gets added to the mix. Not before.
I think Neal was drafted to be the "veteran" backup to the workhorse Kamara if Miller can't stay on the field. The pick makes a lot of sense for a team that recognizes Miller's upside and the value of keeping a path open for him, while also needing a capable and versatile #2 that can seize that role if problems persist.
I'm not suggesting it's not a competition and that Neal can't outperform his 6th round draft stock, and pass Miller even if fully healthy. But I wouldn't sleep on Miller's explosiveness if he can stay healthy. I would guess that both will have opportunities behind Kamara. There's a world where both guys are sharing the backfield post-Kamara. For a 6th rounder and a guy with Miller's injury setbacks, that would be a pretty favorable outcome for both. If we're being honest, 'Other' is probably the most likely answer to the next star fantasy RB in New Orleans after Kamara.
This is the real story I think.
Also, look at next years FA list at RB..............
Ray Barboni
Footballguy
He was a better prospect than Neal, well, at least as an athlete. Neal may have him beat in between the ears.
As cheap as he is, def worth a flier
dmac37
Footballguy
Love to hear this about the captain of my guys I can't quit team.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I just grabbed him 23 round of a start-up. Read a couple recent quotes from the coach / OC saying things about Miller specifically like “clean slate” & “fresh start”.
That Kamara cliff is coming at some point. Miller is still very young - younger than Chase Brown, Breece Hall, Kyren Williams, KWIII, James Cook, RJ Harvey.
All he needs is health & opportunity.
So I’m brand new on the “can’t quit” bandwagon.
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Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Like Foreigner, I’m falling for the very 1st time. As a 23rd round startup pick.
I would climb any mountain
Sail across a stormy sea
If that's what it takes me, baby
To show you how much you mean to me
(It feels like the first time)
(Feels like the very first time)
(It feels like the first time)
(It feels like the very first time)
zamboni
Footballguy
And I’m going to be hot blooded if he pulls his hammy in week 1.Like Foreigner, I’m falling for the very 1st time. As a 23rd round startup pick.
I would climb any mountain
Sail across a stormy sea
If that's what it takes me, baby
To show you how much you mean to me
(It feels like the first time)
(Feels like the very first time)
(It feels like the first time)
(It feels like the very first time)
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Got a fever of 103?And I’m going to be hot blooded if he pulls his hammy in week 1.
All I know is he was cheap, and I wanna know what love is. I want [Kendre] to show me.
rockaction
Footballguy
Oh jeez. He’s making my roster. I’m not cutting him. But he’d better get it together playbook-wise and picking up blitzes. We need bodily integrity and solidity between the ears. And I have no citation, but I read he had the most explosive runs (10 yards or greater) than any other NO back last year, including Alvin Kamara. So let’s go!!! Rock n’ roll, Kendre. Now or . . .
In Dallas!
In Dallas!
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Worried about the Saints being a total dumpster fire this year but still have a couple shares of this guy (since very few we were Interested in him) and the coaching change bodes well. Rumors were part of the reason the coaching staff rebelled against Dennis Allen last year and he lost the locker room was his treatment of players like Miller.
Spent 4 first's and an early second but since I still roster him in all 5 leagues I'm going to use the description of disappointed instead of wasted. His story is not yet wrote and as HSG has pointed out he's still young, in fact if you lined his age up against the consensus top 8 rookie RB's drafted in dynasty this year he'd come in 5th, just a few months off from Henderson and less then a year older then 7 of the 8....and arguably with fresher legs unfortunately.
Obviously does not matter if he can't stay on the field and play well.
Been a hard guy to peg this offseason. Initial OTA reports were super positive. Then just like that reports started coming in that he was less involved in followup OTA sessions and then right after OTA's or minicamp they signed Akers which would make you think he could not sustain, not consistent, let them down in someway, etc,etc.
Their inablity to seemingly trust him even with a new staff is not putting me in a sitaution where I expect him to finally perform and pull through but still can't give up yet. But he's also not guaranteed to stick on my rosters either, his redshirt status expired.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
The new staff has been nothing but complimentary. Where are you getting that they don’t trust him?
rockaction
Footballguy
Tea leaves, my friend. Dried and caffeinated with cool water brewing them. Nothing but the finest from the Orient (and yes, things are from the Orient). But meno knows how to read this stuff. I got the same impression he did and was chagrined but if Kluge says he’s running with the 1s at times, that’s very welcome news. What’s really going to be the test is not if he gets hurt, but if he knows the playbook and the system. And if he does get hurt does he really attack rehab and show up with book in hand to meetings, etc. Actually, he is done if he gets hurt in camp. Forget what I just said. He is cooked if that happens.
But the playbook is a huge hurdle. I mean, I get it. Some guys lack the cognitive ability to understand an offense, but he needs to put in the effort because the beats and the bloggers said he was utterly clueless last year (no citation but I know I was watching a pissed off homer/videocaster breaking it down—he said Kendre had no clue what he was doing and that if they weren’t handing it to him he was a waste of personnel), so I’m watching and tea leaving also.
I’m not optimistic (unless he grew up) because he didn’t seem to get it as late as last year when he should have already realized he was playing for his career. Thankfully, his competition is Neal and Akers, both of whom look lousy in shorts and probably aren’t practice guys (Neal doesn’t test well and Akers is oft-injured and a touch sluggish) while Kendre has speed enough to look good in those situations. It’s not *as* playbook-dependent. But I’m just riffing. We will find out soon enough.
I've seen them say he has a blank slate but can't say I've seen them be nothing but complimentary or really overly complimentary to him in anyway.
I referenced in my post that I read some good things about him when OTA's started but then also read he went quiet after that and then they expressed interest in signing Nick Chubb and did sign Akers. Actions>words.
Thanks and I should mention, no offense towards Kluge, that the update on him running with the 1's should be taken with a grain of salt.
I'd venture to guess where Kluge for that info was here: https://x.com/RossJacksonNOLA/status/1948408216385094092
So for some context. That was likely thought be worth a tweet from Mr. Jackson because that's NOT likely been the case and it would seem on a day that Kamara did almost no work we finally saw Kendre get some run with the 1's.
This is what he wrote about practice report the previous day:
Saints Training Camp Day 1: Spencer Rattler perfect in passing
By Ross Jackson METAIRIE, La. - The New Orleans Saints took the field for the first time since minicamps wrapp...
www.louisianasports.net
Running Backs Getting First Team Work
Beyond Kamara, two backs saw a majority of first team reps: rookie Devin Neal and returning veteran Clyde Edward-Helaire. Neal also saw snaps with the second team along with Kendre Miller. Cam Akers worked with multiple units as well.
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Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
IF anyone’s barrier to success is CEH, sign me up!
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Ilov80s
Footballguy
I guess today the report sounds like Neal is above him on the depth chart so Miller might be more in a fight to make the team than he is a fight for playing time.
Have not seen that report but I did see them line up in individual drills and the line went Kamara, CEH, Neal and Kendre which is often a sign of their standing which is admittedly not a lot to go on but that it also fits with initial camp reports on the depth chart kind of makes it an indicator to me of where he stands.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Ilov80s
Footballguy
I took it from the post you made earlier
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I don’t think we’ve actually seen him play healthy. If that’s truly the issue and he has been snake bit, there definitely could be something here. he was a very high prospect in fantasy circles for a reason.
TVT 0 N S T A
Footballguy
Tough to say if his "longevity" is due to the standing of the Saints salary cap or because he has a little Jesus Shuttlesworth in him, "He Got Game".
Worth a flier if you have a deep bench but I wouldn't be too attached to Kendre Miller. There are a lot more guys, in a backup role, I would rather roster over Kendre Miller.
If Alvin Kamara goes down... it's a mess. The Saints dont even have enough playmakers on this team, beyond Kamara, to maintain relevance. I have steered clear of New Orleans, as this team seems to be in an awful situation and the division isn't getting any easier.
rockaction
Footballguy
Yep. We are saying that. Some of us are saying it and have been saying it directly. He's not a lock for the club this year. He's a third-round pick and they're going to want to look at the other guys. If there's even a hint of trouble, he gone.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
There are other teams though. He’s still very young.
rockaction
Footballguy
Yep, that's why I'm not kidding when I'm eyeing Dallas already. I traded up to take this guy at 1.05 in a rookie draft and cost myself Chase Brown at 2.12 (who I was gonna draft). I had the 1.12 and 2.12 and traded up for this guy. Believe me, I want him to succeed, but he hasn't shown me a thing. I'm not even impatient. This is his third year.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Yep. I totally get it.
And I’m not even trying to tell you that your sunk cost isn’t valuable or frustrating. I’m sure it’s both.
I’m just coming at this from the perspective that right now he’s basically free. And he might well wash out. This probably is indeed his last chance to prove himself. And even if he does the Saints might still move on.
Seems like the ideal scenario would be Miller shows well this year and moves on anyway. To Dallas you suggest? Yes please.
I probably wouldn’t touch him in redraft, but round 23 or 24 of a start up? Sure, what the heck. If I hit on 15% of my picks from rounds 20-30 I’ll call that success. That’s picks 240-360 overall. Heck, 10% would be a huge win.
Fingers crossed for all y’all (and me) that he comes around.
rockaction
Footballguy
Yep. I also got where you were coming from. I think he’s good value there. Guy can run. Just hasn’t yet. Maybe he never will. Worth a flyer at that price point regardless.
