msudaisy26
Footballguy
He looks nothing like Witten out of the backfield. Witten has good hands and runs decent routes but he will not make anyone miss and doesn't punish defenders. Bell does both of those things
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RB Le'Veon Bell, FA (8 Viewers)
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Cole Beasley IMOChaka said:
Chaka
Footballguy
Ebaker5
Footballguy
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ghostguy123
Footballguy
lod01
Footballguy
NICE CALL BRONCO BILLY...PLODDER AND NOT SPECIAL - HUH, YOU DONT SAY..........
Nice call Cloppbeast!!!
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ghostguy123
Footballguy
Those guys were not wrong about last year. He looked totally different when he had that extra weight on.
He improved...........and nobody saw him improving this much did they?? Did they?????
Cloppbeast did - read his comments below that disagree with Bronco Billy...I went to the joint practice on Wednesday between the Bills and Steelers, paying particular attention to the backs. I don't call myself a professional scout, but I could at least see that Bell has better burst and speed. Certainly Blount has many other attributes contributing to his ability, but I definitely question you at labeling Bell a 'plodder' in this conversation. Each of these runners has their own abilities, but if either one of them is a 'plodder', it's Blount.
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cloppbeast
Footballguy
Even a blind squirrel finds a nut sometimes.
I would like to hear from Bronco Billy on this thread, though.
Bronco Billy
Footballguy
That 20 lb weight loss looks like it is making a huge difference. This is a completely different RB than we saw last year and in his career at Mich St. Still early - I remember eating crow on being down on Josh McDaniels as a HC and publicly owning it after he started 6-0 with DEN, and we all saw how that turned out. But right now Bell looks great and if he continues is a top RB.
On a side note, it looks like I've added a stalker to my list. Brewtown following me around in multiple threads.
msudaisy26
Footballguy
I think 75 percent of it was the foot injury last year. Not being injured helped him lose the weight and not having to worry about a foot injury makes it easier to play the game.
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cloppbeast
Footballguy
Good man, BB.That 20 lb weight loss looks like it is making a huge difference. This is a completely different RB than we saw last year and in his career at Mich St. Still early - I remember eating crow on being down on Josh McDaniels as a HC and publicly owning it after he started 6-0 with DEN, and we all saw how that turned out. But right now Bell looks great and if he continues is a top RB.On a side note, it looks like I've added a stalker to my list. Brewtown following me around in multiple threads.
I don't think they have virtual restraining orders, although it's a good idea. That could be a new feature Footballguys could add to the SP in the off season.
cloppbeast
Footballguy
I read an article, probably Faust posted in this thread, about Tomlin telling Bell he'd need to lose some weight before the Steelers even drafted him. It looks to be paying off big time, as he hasn't lost any power but has gained a lot in acceleration.
Touchdown There
Footballguy
I watched some of his runs last weekend. In one play he had a nice hole to get through the front seven. I thought he would be chased down right away, but held his own trying to pull away and I think he got 50-60 yards. I think his weight loss has greatly improved his game. I was surprised because he always seemed overweight and slower.
Don Quixote
Footballguy
Yeah. I traded Charles for a few rookie picks last year, when I knew I'd get Bell with one of them. I regretted that trade a bit after seeing Charles last year, but that time has passed. Don't think there's much that I'd trade for him now.
People keep saying that Bell looks like a completely different back. He doesn't. He looks like exactly the same back, just a tenth of a second faster. You know that amazing vision he has? Fully on display last season. That ridiculous patience? Fully on display last season. Everything that Bell does that makes him so special is stuff he was doing last year. He's just now a little bit quicker after he does it.
As for who could have seen this coming... he was the youngest back in the league last year, missed much of offseason activities to injury, and wasn't 100% healthy when he returned. I don't know of anyone who expected him to get so much faster, but some of us expected him to take a big step forward. I compared him to Ricky Williams and Matt Forte as guys who had low efficiency numbers as rookies and then long, productive fantasy careers. Cian Fahey was pounding the drum for him all year last year. I wrote last year how much better Bell was than his efficiency stats suggested. And, as was mentioned, he was my #3 dynasty RB before the season kicked off.
This isn't me trying to thump my chest. I just think it's important to counteract the "there's no way we could have possibly known Le'Veon Bell was actually any good!" story that seems to be gaining steam. We could and should have realized that Le'Veon Bell was a good RB, regardless of what his ypc was. Not this good- true outlier seasons are outliers for a reason, and even the drivers of the Chris Johnson hype train weren't expecting 2,000 yards from him in year 2. But there was a lot of reason to be high on Le'Veon Bell even before we saw him play a regular season snap this year.
We used to know that YPC was not the be-all, end-all of RB analysis, but I think Trent Richardson scarred us and made us forget.
Bojang0301
Omar4Heisman
Bojang0301
Omar4Heisman
This a million times and a lot of people were saying that a long time ago...
cloppbeast
Footballguy
His vision easily makes his best asset. The zone blocking scheme fits this offensive line and Bell way better, as he has the ability to choose his hole, thus setting up defenders.
I'm not really sure how often Todd Haley called zone last season, although I read articles that he got away from it after the first few games last season. I haven't watched all the games this year, but it seems the Steelers have committed to zone blocking. The addition of Mike Muncheck as offensive line coach goes understated, as he's one of the best in the league. I'm sure he's taught their smaller quicker linemen how to execute the scheme much better.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
You could see he had quick feet last season, even with the extra weight - the rest of his body just caught up now. I never thought of him as a plodder last season, and saw improvement as his health improved, but he certainly looks far better this season.That 20 lb weight loss looks like it is making a huge difference. This is a completely different RB than we saw last year and in his career at Mich St. Still early - I remember eating crow on being down on Josh McDaniels as a HC and publicly owning it after he started 6-0 with DEN, and we all saw how that turned out. But right now Bell looks great and if he continues is a top RB.
On a side note, it looks like I've added a stalker to my list. Brewtown following me around in multiple threads.
Bronco Billy
Footballguy
No big deal. Everyone is wrong plenty enough in FF. The unpredictability is what makes it so much fun. Still will wait to see how the entire season pans out but so far he looks great and Blount is no threat.Good man, BB.That 20 lb weight loss looks like it is making a huge difference. This is a completely different RB than we saw last year and in his career at Mich St. Still early - I remember eating crow on being down on Josh McDaniels as a HC and publicly owning it after he started 6-0 with DEN, and we all saw how that turned out. But right now Bell looks great and if he continues is a top RB.
On a side note, it looks like I've added a stalker to my list. Brewtown following me around in multiple threads.
I don't think they have virtual restraining orders, although it's a good idea. That could be a new feature Footballguys could add to the SP in the off season.
The only thing that bothers me about owning it, and I'm guessing why some don't, are the sore winners. Seriously, act like you've been right a few times in the past and remember the times you were wrong.
Milkman
Footballguy
Lots of big questions that needed to be answered in the off season look to have been answered.
If he proves to be durable while playing at this level with the same workload he's as valuable as virtually any dynasty asset out there given his age and the positional value of 3 down backs.
If he proves to be durable while playing at this level with the same workload he's as valuable as virtually any dynasty asset out there given his age and the positional value of 3 down backs.
Cheesedawg
Footballguy
So he lost 20 lbs... how much do they say he weighs now, just out of curiosity?
cstu
Footballguy
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
Pittsburgh has been passing a ton inside the 10. They've runs 24 plays down there and Bell has only had 4 rushes compared to 18 passes (2 rushes for Blount).
It's no wonder they're struggling down there. You have to wonder what these teams are thinking sometimes. Pittsburgh and, earlier in the year, Dallas with two of the best RBs in the league and all they do is pass inside the 10 and wonder why they keep settling for FGs. Meanwhile teams like the Vikings are pounding Matt Asiata down there and getting rewarded. Matt Asiata!
Pittsburgh has run 24 plays inside the 10, with 18 of them being passes, and scored 5 TDs
Minnesota has run 17 plays inside the 10, with 7 of them being passes, and scored 7 TDs
Dallas got it figured out and started running the ball down there, so hopefully Pitt will as well.
It's no wonder they're struggling down there. You have to wonder what these teams are thinking sometimes. Pittsburgh and, earlier in the year, Dallas with two of the best RBs in the league and all they do is pass inside the 10 and wonder why they keep settling for FGs. Meanwhile teams like the Vikings are pounding Matt Asiata down there and getting rewarded. Matt Asiata!
Pittsburgh has run 24 plays inside the 10, with 18 of them being passes, and scored 5 TDs
Minnesota has run 17 plays inside the 10, with 7 of them being passes, and scored 7 TDs
Dallas got it figured out and started running the ball down there, so hopefully Pitt will as well.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
BustedKnuckles
Footballguy
oddsbodkins
Footballguy
Just can't reach paydirt. Could be one of the top 2 backs in the league based on talent but if he can't score... ...
S 854
Footballguy
Pretty sure it's playcalling down inside the 10-15 yd line. Pitt starts spreading it out with no back or Blount with Bell out wide many times from what I've seen.
Bell may have to break off 20yd+ runs/catches for TD's this year unfortunately.
I would like to punch Haley in the face. He should raffle a chance off for charity.
Bell may have to break off 20yd+ runs/catches for TD's this year unfortunately.
I would like to punch Haley in the face. He should raffle a chance off for charity.
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msudaisy26
Footballguy
He is Tiki Barber once Brandon Jacobs came to the Giants. He is going probably 2000 total yards a season, but have between 5 and 8 touchdowns.
Zyphros
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This guy is becoming a waste of roster space ... 1 F****** TD this season.
He might be the most overrated player in FF right now ... I've been losing close games all year because my so called stud RB hasnt had a TD in 6 weeks.
Points total for me
20.13 (week 1 he had a TD)
11.47 (ran for 147 yards)
8.13 (Crap)
7.87 (Crap)
7.27 (Crap)
7.0 (Crap)
I expect 10-20 pts a game not this crap
He might be the most overrated player in FF right now ... I've been losing close games all year because my so called stud RB hasnt had a TD in 6 weeks.
Points total for me
20.13 (week 1 he had a TD)
11.47 (ran for 147 yards)
8.13 (Crap)
7.87 (Crap)
7.27 (Crap)
7.0 (Crap)
I expect 10-20 pts a game not this crap
