zamboni
Footballguy
Guessing they have a bit of buyer's remorse for the pretty nice contract they gave Sanders. Could be another catalyst for driving RB contracts down further in the next offseason.
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RB Miles Sanders, DAL (1 Viewer)
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FarFromHome
Footballguy
Yep. I've spent the morning trying to dump by Miles Sanders share. Surprisenly nobody seems interested. Ha ha
I had an offer to start the season...don't think you could get anything for him now
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
ON RTS he's 90% rostered, I was surprised to see him on the WW this morning, almost picked him up but then you look at what's happened this season
I don't blame anyone who cuts hi/releases him right now
Snotbubbles
Footballguy
He was good for Philly last year, but prior to that he was hurt too much. Wasn't sad to see him leave.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
snaps
- Chuba Hubbard - 40
- Miles Sanders - 12
- Raheem Blackshear - 9
- Chuba Hubbard - 17
- Raheem Blackshear - 5
- Miles Sanders - 2
- Chuba Hubbard - 54
- Raheem Blackshear - 22
- Miles Sanders - 0
rockaction
Footballguy
My word, I came into the year counting on this guy. Needless to say, I have a gaping hole at RB that needs to be addressed. This guy is deep in the doghouse as far as playing time goes.
FarFromHome
Footballguy
Definitely one of my misses. I'll wrestle with my pride for a few days to decide if I'll drop. Smh
eagles 123
Footballguy
Drop city
markrc99
Footballguy
I drafted Sanders as early season insurance against a slow start by Bijan Robinson. Given the way things were trending, I added Hubbard about a month ago. I think he's a drop for a player like Khalil Herbert. But what to do with Dameon Pierce? What has Alexander Mattison done to this point? I hope to package Pierce (more likely) or even Hubbard with some late round draft capital. If I have the better waiver claim, I'll throw that in too.
Point being, Mattison, Cam Akers, their circumstance has changed! Perhaps going forward there's greater emphasis placed on the ground game? Just speculating, Minnesota I would think are sellers now. Either 'back could get traded. I think Emari Demercado is an interesting target, has a tough week 9 matchup & Arizona hasn't scored playing on the road. Plus, James Conner is expected to return the following week.
But I've seen the play Conner was hurt on. He's running down the sideline & a defender has the angle on him. He should've braced himself for contact while aiming to get OOB. Instead he tries to break stride & pull his legs out away from the torpedoing tackler. He gets flipped around & lands on his back, but the injury isn't obvious to the eye. Given his age & history of injury, perhaps it didn't take much? Might the 1-7 Cardinals trade or shut him down? A number of weeks back he looked very pedestrian to me. Likely he does return & assumes lead role. That doesn't mean the volume will still be his alone. Could be, he ends up ineffective or hurt again.
Point being, Mattison, Cam Akers, their circumstance has changed! Perhaps going forward there's greater emphasis placed on the ground game? Just speculating, Minnesota I would think are sellers now. Either 'back could get traded. I think Emari Demercado is an interesting target, has a tough week 9 matchup & Arizona hasn't scored playing on the road. Plus, James Conner is expected to return the following week.
But I've seen the play Conner was hurt on. He's running down the sideline & a defender has the angle on him. He should've braced himself for contact while aiming to get OOB. Instead he tries to break stride & pull his legs out away from the torpedoing tackler. He gets flipped around & lands on his back, but the injury isn't obvious to the eye. Given his age & history of injury, perhaps it didn't take much? Might the 1-7 Cardinals trade or shut him down? A number of weeks back he looked very pedestrian to me. Likely he does return & assumes lead role. That doesn't mean the volume will still be his alone. Could be, he ends up ineffective or hurt again.
FarFromHome
Footballguy
Hadn't read they might move on. As a Sanders and Chubba owner I approve of this message. 1% chance it happens.
I'd be shocked if anyone would trade for him. This is one of the situations where Carolina would have to give the team sanders and a pick for a bag of peanuts
eagles 123
Footballguy
Are we sure Sanders has lost the backfield?
I get that he only got 2 carries coming off his injury but Chubbard was abysmal with his opportunity (28 yards on 15 Carries).
There is a non zero chance Sanders does better against Indy this week and is set for a smash spot against Chicago week 10.
I get that he only got 2 carries coming off his injury but Chubbard was abysmal with his opportunity (28 yards on 15 Carries).
There is a non zero chance Sanders does better against Indy this week and is set for a smash spot against Chicago week 10.
jumper
Footballguy
Are we sure it matters if he's lost the backfield or not? Unless Bryce Young has suddenly had the mental light switch turned on and will ball out the rest of season, I'm not going to be feeling great about starting any running back from the Panthers this year whether Sanders, Hubbard, or anyone else.
eagles 123
Footballguy
I’m actually in agreement with you and heavily considering dropping but the one factor would be if Carolina ends up giving Miles volume like they did in the start of the season once they see Chubbard is a better COP back. Matchups ROS are terrible but volume is volume.
FarFromHome
Footballguy
What a horrible backfield to own. I own both. Smh. Got.one start out of Sanders. Both average players. Fantasy playoffs have good matchups. Maybe this will clear up by week 15? Ha ha
markrc99
Footballguy
I went to playerprofiler.com to check on the tendencies for Sanders. Average number of defenders in the box, if you can believe it, 6.3! That's way down there, 63rd in the league. His base & stacked front carry rates aren't that low but they're down there too. His light front carry rate, a tick above 65%, 5th in the NFL. Add to that a negative game script of -4.77 points. So, often behind on the scoreboard. I would assume, a lot of 11 personnel, a lot of spread formation. I see that 2/3rd of his carries are out of shotgun formation. Can't say for sure but we often see this play. The QB is in the gun & the RB is positioned adjacent to him. The ball is snapped & everybody explodes off the LOS. Except two guys, the QB & the ball carrier. The QB receives the snap, pivots & sticks the ball into the belly of the RB. Flat-footed, he's then to make something out of that.
All throughout the history of football, that has to be the worst play run by every team in every game! Then why do teams run it? My guess is for the most part, it has replaced the old draw play. Offenses pass far more than before, the defensive mix to get to the QB, at times very elaborate. Yet the draw play, rendered obsolete. All I can think is that defenses are faster, better athletes who can quickly disengage & redirect. The draw is time-intensive, slower to develop. More than before, the QB himself is capable of running. Which also adds the versatility of pass or run. They look to throw but what they wanted isn't there, but a rush lane is.
The other thing that's gone is the QB's follow-through. Used to be from under center the QB would take a 3, 5 or 7 step drop. That last step was often a determined plant & sink. Then his follow through up out of it referred to as "climbing the pocket". The rise back up, the forward momentum, finally the plant step & over the top release. The knee on the plant foot, really vulnerable. Gone. Just a week or two ago Brock Purdy himself acknowledging he doesn't have one of the better arms in the league. But there he is, back there throwing off his back foot. I've seen him fade on some of those, even when he doesn't have to. I mean, whatever.
dmac37
Footballguy
I hear you. I'm the #2 team in a 12 team FFPC league and own Sanders, Gibson, and Pierce. Achane carried me early and JT doing ok now, just hope it will be wheels up for those 2 without needing the other 3.
Judge Smails
Footballguy
Going to be interesting to see if he's in fact done in the minds of the coaching staff or it was a big wake up call and he'll get a share this weekend
All I know is Hubbard could only muster 28 yards on 15 carries and since that time I've heard Frank after the game commend Thielen for making a play when he said Miles ran the wrong route and almost messed up the play and today Thomas Brown say Chubba has "that dog mentality" about him.
Just trying to put different things together since no beat writers seem to want to report on this but even with Chubba having an unproductive day he's getting praised and Miles is getting blamed for running wrong routes, none of which sounds to me that the staff is endeared to Sanders right now.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Somebody has to play on the scout team.x.com
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I wouldn’t give up anything for him, personally. I think he’s done.
Dez
Footballguy
More like infamous
I drafted him as high as 5th round that sounds acceptable to me.
titusbramble
Footballguy
I sold him for pick 40 in the off-season before they drafted Brooks. I doubt I'd get near that now and I certainly wouldn't pay it, indeed I half expect to be able to nick him off waivers at some point this season
I had him in two leagues.
Cut him in one FFPC league with the 14 max position players and he was my last keeper in a private FFPC rules leagues where we can keep two extra players, so my 16th man. By chance I ended up drafting Brooks in the league I kept him, and I'm very thin at RB so there is a chance I'll keep him but he'll need to beat out Chuba or Brooks not be active for week one for that to happen.
I drafted him in 2 other rookie drafts, used a 5th and a 7th.
The real reason I kept him in that one league and reason for spending two late round picks on him was the chance that Carolina can find someone who values him enough to to take his salary off their hands. Because central to that I don't think he's bad or over the hill, was just in an incredibly ugly sitiuation and there are other places he could land I'd be wanting to roster him. In the absence of getting traded, to your point, he'll most likely be on my leagues waiver wires with the possible exception of the league I have Brooks.
Long story short,the value to me in him right now is the off chance he gets moved.
ilianawindfae
Footballguy
I picked Boobie up in all leagues, my gut is telling me he's going to have a decent game today.
sushinsky4tsar
Footballguy
For me, this guy always fell into the category of overrated, volume dependent, didn't have him anywhere and was glad for it. If I'm honest, that assessment had everything to do with passing on him as a rookie and having no shares when things were going good. I have been more than happy to proclaim him a fantasy non-factor since moving to Carolina.
He has now graduated to the waiver wire in my dynasty league and I actually should make an educated decision on his future outlook. He would seem to be a prime, cheap candidate to be available in a trade if Brooks is tracking towards returning from PUP. Obviously, there's not much to like here for as long as he's a Panther. Does anyone think that he could actually rebound to a high-end fantasy RB3, or even bottom of the barrel RB2, if he gets traded to the right spot on a contending team? Not exactly ancient at 27 and not that far removed from getting a payday in 2023 (though I'm not sure who the Panthers were bidding against).
Better off going with late round rookies like Vaki, Vidal, or Ali with the roster spot?
He has now graduated to the waiver wire in my dynasty league and I actually should make an educated decision on his future outlook. He would seem to be a prime, cheap candidate to be available in a trade if Brooks is tracking towards returning from PUP. Obviously, there's not much to like here for as long as he's a Panther. Does anyone think that he could actually rebound to a high-end fantasy RB3, or even bottom of the barrel RB2, if he gets traded to the right spot on a contending team? Not exactly ancient at 27 and not that far removed from getting a payday in 2023 (though I'm not sure who the Panthers were bidding against).
Better off going with late round rookies like Vaki, Vidal, or Ali with the roster spot?
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
I thought this same thing, just not sure where he would go and become an FF contributor. KC/DAL would seemingly be spots of FF interest, but I am not sure even in those situations he is much more than a lower part of committee.
sushinsky4tsar
Footballguy
Thanks for spelling it out. Those two destinations definitely come to mind and might be the reason I'm posing the question right now. Obviously, KC would be in the event that Pacheco's injury is a longer deal. Dallas assumes the Cowboys aren't happy with what they're getting out of Zeke and Dowdle. Regardless, we can almost say with certainty there will be other attractive offenses with a hole at RB before we get to the trade deadline.
I'm not sure how in demand Sanders would be for either team. I'm not sure how his 2024 talent stacks up to other RBs thought to be underutilized (Pierce, K. Herbert, etc.) However, I'm certain his value would instantly skyrocket if KC or Dallas were to go out and trade for him this week (not that I'm holding my breath for that). I think the fantasy hive mind would call him a committee member, where he's the fantasy RB to own in that committee, if such a trade were to occur.
I'm just thinking this might not be a terrible place to park on a roster spot until the deadline. Then again, maybe I should try to hold off a couple of weeks now that it was pushed back to after week 9.
If he's not traded I wonder what that means for J. Brooks decision come tmw.
