Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
That’s weird since so many in here who seem to have not watched the game said he looked slow.
I agree he looked fast. I’d like to see the OL open some holes for him.
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RB Omarion Hampton, LAC (3 Viewers)
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I agree he looked fast. I’d like to see the OL open some holes for him.
Alex P Keaton
Footballguy
Turns out most of those people a) didn’t watch at all or b) don’t acknowledge the role that blocking plays in the run game
Smack Tripper
Footballguy
I like a lot in that tape, he's staying north south, following his blocks and it looks like no big runs for loss, maybe he lost a yard or two, on two runs. Lots to build on.
And guys tell you the same thing time and again, the speed of the game is always next level, and no camp or preseason is quite preparing you for it
I'm glad to see him in the passing mix.
And if Herbert is gonna pass like that all year, Hampton is gonna eat.
If you got a owner in panic, take advantage
Don't forget c) Najee owners
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I wish my leagues had panicky owners. I’ve tried this sort of play so many times and come up bupkis.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
We aren doing this again? Every year there are a few rookies we panic on after a couple games and we are usually wrong. He looked physical and had a lot of burst for his size. He blocked well, caught his passes smoothly. He missed 1 hole, it happens. His biggest mistake was going out of bounds at the half, but I loved on 4th and 1 Harbaugh still trusted him and he delivered.
And plays all 3 to start the season. I'm not expecting a lot out of him the next 2 weeks and fully acknowledge that we probably see more Harris.
Was very surprised Najee only saw the two touches last night even after missing nearly all of preseason. Such a big game and they leaned on Hampton almost exclusively and also stayed with him in the 2nd half after the out of bounds mistake are big votes of confidence.
Bronco Billy
Footballguy
Just one real game so far, and he ought to improve.
He’s definitely explosive and fast. Vision isn’t great as he missed some opportunities because he failed to change lanes when a seam was created because his blocker couldn’t get leverage to get his guy out of the planned hole. Definitely willing and gives great initial pop on pass protection but needs to keep his feet moving and stay engaged.
He was getting what was blocked for him last night and I didn’t see a lot of creativity. He is a load and falls forward during the tackle. That’s a big plus for him as it pushed his rush totals up significantly in what would have been a bad night otherwise.
Really bad mistake running OB at the end of the half and cost his D giving up a FG because of it. That’s not the coach’s fault as much as some were trying to shift blame way from Hampton. He’s a pro and has played RB for quite a while over his life. He needs to understand game scenarios. At least if he’s going to be better than just good he does.
Some really good aspects. Definitely room for improvement. Let’s see how he progresses.
He’s definitely explosive and fast. Vision isn’t great as he missed some opportunities because he failed to change lanes when a seam was created because his blocker couldn’t get leverage to get his guy out of the planned hole. Definitely willing and gives great initial pop on pass protection but needs to keep his feet moving and stay engaged.
He was getting what was blocked for him last night and I didn’t see a lot of creativity. He is a load and falls forward during the tackle. That’s a big plus for him as it pushed his rush totals up significantly in what would have been a bad night otherwise.
Really bad mistake running OB at the end of the half and cost his D giving up a FG because of it. That’s not the coach’s fault as much as some were trying to shift blame way from Hampton. He’s a pro and has played RB for quite a while over his life. He needs to understand game scenarios. At least if he’s going to be better than just good he does.
Some really good aspects. Definitely room for improvement. Let’s see how he progresses.
cdclopper
Footballguy
The problem is its not the owners in here busting his balls. His owners are the ones defending him.I wish my leagues had panicky owners. I’ve tried this sort of play so many times and come up bupkis.
FarFromHome
Footballguy
I have no shares. Yet. I'm hoping Treveyon Henderson has a good game so I can create a package with him for Hampton.
massraider
Footballguy
They have a ton to prove. Every linebacker from last year is gone, and their DT rotation is brand new.
Lot of new faces.
If I was writing a script where Omarion doesn't do much next week, I wouldn't write that the Raiders D shut down running lanes. I would write that the Raiders new offense put up 21 quick points, and the Chargers had to abandon the run. That seems more likely.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Remarkable coincidence of overlap if you look at who’s been defending Najee in the Najee Harris topic. lolThe problem is its not the owners in here busting his balls. His owners are the ones defending him.I wish my leagues had panicky owners. I’ve tried this sort of play so many times and come up bupkis.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Hmmm I love Hampton but I think Henderson could end up being right on his level. It will be fun to see how the next couple weeks play out for the top 3 backs. Too bad Judkins won't be out there too. At least not yet.
Smack Tripper
Footballguy
Ha, same, its hard to get anyone too freaked off a week 1I wish my leagues had panicky owners. I’ve tried this sort of play so many times and come up bupkis.
crushedspirit
Footballguy
I thought he looked okay overall. Showed some nice speed and good pass pro, but created little YAC and very few missed tackles. He looked hesitant a couple of times but have to cut him some slack vs a legit top run stuffing defense.
I wouldn't panic if I had shares since he's a rookie, but I would want to see him create more yards on his own going forward.
I wouldn't panic if I had shares since he's a rookie, but I would want to see him create more yards on his own going forward.
Jacob's Ladder
Footballguy
But everyone in the Najee thread said blocking shouldn't matter for an elite RB? 
Again, fast RB that can't get much if there's not a gaping hole, and apparently not that high of a football IQ either. That doesn't bode well for his 3 down role...
Again, fast RB that can't get much if there's not a gaping hole, and apparently not that high of a football IQ either. That doesn't bode well for his 3 down role...
FarFromHome
Footballguy
For sure. I just think Hampton is gonna be that 3 down old school rb. I think Henderson is gonna more fun to watch, but less usage. I think they close. You post is giving me hope this it should just take Henderson and change to land Hampton.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
You are probably right that Henderson is more in the Gibbs, Ekeler, Kamara type workload but on the right team that can be fantasy gold. Just like a 3 down workhorse in a bad situation can be pretty boring. I think a lot of the evalu should come down to what you think of Maye and the future of the Pats offense.
FarFromHome
Footballguy
Interesting point. One thing I do know is the Chargers offense last night looked like a playoff team offense. Even with no success actually running the ball. Great start for them. Just a mental win.
joey
Footballguy
Agreed. And with the narrative of “they’re going to run run run”, to then come out and let their stud QB sling it around says to not pigeon hole or underestimate this team.
As a raiders fan I can also say that the Chargers uns are 2nd best in the league, bar none, after the classic silver and black unis, of course.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
But did he look better than Najee?But everyone in the Najee thread said blocking shouldn't matter for an elite RB?
Also I was in that thread - I didn’t see anyone saying that. You’re just making crap up now.
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Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
The powder blue with the lightning bold down the side is my favorite uni after the 80s Niners unis.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
A conclusion based on one pro game sample size, disregarding an entire college career where he clearly demonstrated these skills.
Got it. Solid reasoning/conclusion.
Jacob's Ladder
Footballguy
I'm not sure, Najee averaged 5/carry. What was Hampton's average?But did he look better than Najee?But everyone in the Najee thread said blocking shouldn't matter for an elite RB?
Also I was in that thread - I didn’t see anyone saying that. You’re just making crap up now.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
On his one carry?
Also he got Herbert sacked. Your schtick is stale bro. Get a new schtick.
Jacob's Ladder
Footballguy
How did Hampton do? 3.2 per carry with a real threat at QB and WR to take off some pressure? And people were giving Najee crap for 4.0 in Pittsburgh. Just admit Hampton didn't look very good. It's OK, maybe he'll get better. Doubtful though. He has no vision and doesn't change direction all that well.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
It’s 1 game. Broad, sweeping conclusions sound pretty silly. But hey, do your thing.
Weird that you haven’t eaten any crow on the Najee topic after demanding others do if Najee started. Didn’t you predict he’d start and have a 50-50 workload at least? Cmon.
rockaction
Footballguy
That was the toughest run defense in the NFL last year (according to Scott Barrett of Fantasy Points—I am honestly unsure of how they're measuring it and I would imagine it's EPA/play) and they hadn't had really any turnover on D besides their secondary.
This wasn't the game to base any conclusions upon or say anything definitive about this kid. I had Henderson and Judkins (I've rethought that but it was what I believed in early August) ranked ahead of Hampton, so I'm not a Hampton hawk or backer. It's just that it's probably unwise to draw any conclusions from this. The kid had an 80% snap share and Harbaugh was speaking glowingly of him. I have no idea how Najee will work in and really don't care, but last night was not a dispositive test of the kid's future in the NFL.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Reasonable people would agree.
And yeah - KC’s LBs fly to the ball. Tranquil, Bolton, & Chanel are all excellent against the run. Add in Chris Jones & Karlaftis to the mix, it’s a brutal team to run on.
Jacob's Ladder
Footballguy
Of course no conclusions can be drawn, it's one game. That said, it's one data point, his first real NFL datapoint, and it didn't make him look great. It's also a datapoint that starts to confirm the negative traits many saw in predraft evaluations of the guy. Let's see where next week's datapoint falls.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
You’ve done nothing but draw conclusions. You made several sweeping generalizations in here already. Cmon.
This sounds eerily like a conclusion.
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Jacob's Ladder
Footballguy
3.2/carry on 15 carries in his first game. Fact.
Ceded pass protection to Najee. Fact.
Made one of the most bone-headed mistakes a RB can make at the end of a half. Fact.
Draw whatever conclusion you want.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
No, it didn’t.
He looked fast. You claim he looked slow. This sure sounds like another conclusion.
I’m out. You have fun hating on Hampton. I can tell it’s your favorite hobby.
Da Franchise
Footballguy
Reasonable people would agree.
And yeah - KC’s LBs fly to the ball. Tranquil, Bolton, & Chanel are all excellent against the run. Add in Chris Jones & Karlaftis to the mix, it’s a brutal team to run on.
I’ll elaborate on my position.
Yes, Chiefs are a tough assignment and it’s only one game. And I don’t even care much about the boxscore or production. I’m not looking to make sweeping conclusions about what he will or won’t due in the league based on however last night went one way or the other.
What I AM interested in is getting a sense of the player now that he’s in a pro uniform. It’s a more familiar setting to my eyeballs and the first chance to just get to know him.
Am very picky it comes to RBs and how I invest in them, for redraft and especially dynasty. Here we have a highly productive college player, with a good size and speed on paper. And a first round pick, so that’s a great start.
What am I looking for? I want to know what his calling card is. What’s going to differentiate him at this level. I’m looking for how he can get into the top tier or two because otherwise, he’s not someone I’m interested in.
And last night I didn’t see anything that leaped out at me. Couple nice runs, sure. Good enough pass pro, yeah. Decent speed, yep. Runs hard too.
Basically I saw a lot of C+/B- across the board. Nothing wrong with that but I’d rather see him pop in some category or another, even at the expense of a deficiency elsewhere.
It’s one game and I have no shares of him, so take it FWIW. But I just saw more of what I saw in him as a prospect, which is why I don’t have any shares. It’s fair if someone were to call that confirmation bias but I’m trying to be honest with myself, not win an argument. Don’t have any flags planted on him anyway.
I just didn’t see anything special. Maybe it will come, but I was looking for traits, not results. He kinda reminds me of Brian Robinson.
mereblitzianity
Footballguy
he has decent speed/burst, but you won't see him break many tackles--overrrated player
mereblitzianity
Footballguy
best post I've seen yet about last night's performanceReasonable people would agree.
And yeah - KC’s LBs fly to the ball. Tranquil, Bolton, & Chanel are all excellent against the run. Add in Chris Jones & Karlaftis to the mix, it’s a brutal team to run on.
I’ll elaborate on my position.
Yes, Chiefs are a tough assignment and it’s only one game. And I don’t even care much about the boxscore or production. I’m not looking to make sweeping conclusions about what he will or won’t due in the league based on however last night went one way or the other.
What I AM interested in is getting a sense of the player now that he’s in a pro uniform. It’s a more familiar setting to my eyeballs and the first chance to just get to know him.
Am very picky it comes to RBs and how I invest in them, for redraft and especially dynasty. Here we have a highly productive college player, with a good size and speed on paper. And a first round pick, so that’s a great start.
What am I looking for? I want to know what his calling card is. What’s going to differentiate him at this level. I’m looking for how he can get into the top tier or two because otherwise, he’s not someone I’m interested in.
And last night I didn’t see anything that leaped out at me. Couple nice runs, sure. Good enough pass pro, yeah. Decent speed, yep. Runs hard too.
Basically I saw a lot of C+/B- across the board. Nothing wrong with that but I’d rather see him pop in some category or another, even at the expense of a deficiency elsewhere.
It’s one game and I have no shares of him, so take it FWIW. But I just saw more of what I saw in him as a prospect, which is why I don’t have any shares. It’s fair if someone were to call that confirmation bias but I’m trying to be honest with myself, not win an argument. Don’t have any flags planted on him anyway.
I just didn’t see anything special. Maybe it will come, but I was looking for traits, not results. He kinda reminds me of Brian Robinson.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
These are all excellent traits that bode well for a 1st game from a RB against a brutal opponent in a road game in Brazil.
If there’s reason to be optimistic about a young RB in his 1st game; I’d think you just listed 4 very good reasons.
Also I’d suggest that perhaps the team opens the playbook for him more and more as they develop trust in him. Maybe then you’ll see those signature plays or calling cards. Personally I want to see him in space on screens.
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Da Franchise
Footballguy
I’d call them important tasks that I want a running back I’m going to invest in be excellent at. I saw a lot of “fine/decent/meh”. Not excellence. I’ve rewatched his game highlights several times and end up in the same place. It’s a tiny sample. He’s in a good environment. Shrug.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Yep - totally fair assessment. I’m not rah rah Hampton based on what I agree was a fair to midland performance.
But like you I try to look for signs of competence at the pro level. I like his burst. I like that he didn’t go down easy (the one run for a 1st where it looked like a loss that he turned into a gain of 2-3) - that was what I want to see from someone touted as a power back.
As mentioned above, I’d like to see him as a check-down - those are bread & butter PPR touches, and also get him into space with the ball, which the Chargers just didn’t have in their gameplan last night.
That said, it was an interesting gameplan - Chargers came out and punched the chiefs in the mouth by going pass-heavy, maybe as an adjustment to the playoff game they got their butts kicked in by this same team.
I suspect with a larger sample size we’ll see more/better from Hampton. And if we don’t, I’ll be right here to call him out alongside you.
I have a couple redraft shares, but none in dynasty.
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Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Ps - the other fortunate/unfortunate thing was the Chargers never had a goal to go opportunity. They had a RZ touch IIRC and he took it 4-5 yards, but all of their TDs were passing.
I say unfortunate because I’d like to see him at the stripe.
I say fortunate because I had Herbert going for my best dynasty roster and love the 39.5 points.
I say unfortunate because I’d like to see him at the stripe.
I say fortunate because I had Herbert going for my best dynasty roster and love the 39.5 points.
Da Franchise
Footballguy
Yeah ball in space seems like a great chance for him to shine. That didn’t happen a lot last night. It’s a long season, I’m sure their game plan will shift around.
The stuff we did see him do last night is like table stakes to me for a 1st round RB. It’d be a disaster if he didn’t do them adequately and I just assumed he’d clear that bar. I want to see the special. Show me the special.
I think back to first impressions of Bijan, Gibbs, Barkley, CMC, Fournette (probably Jeanty, saw the flash in preseason)…other 1st round backs that popped at first sight for me. I didn’t see that. Saw more a Richardson, Gordon, Etienne, Jacobs, Najee type. Some of those succeeded more than others but none are overly exciting or elite. Jacobs has still been pretty valuable though.
Will see. It’s a good offense and he’s going to be involved a lot.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Hampton 15 carries
Harris 1 carry
Hampton is the starter, period
He looked good on some runs, other times he didn't have much room to run inside
He's going to have bigger days and Herbert won't always throw for 300+/3TDs
I would be optimistic if I had Hampton, looks like the Bolts are going to win a bunch of games and that means running out the clock in he 2nd Half
Harris 1 carry
Hampton is the starter, period
He looked good on some runs, other times he didn't have much room to run inside
He's going to have bigger days and Herbert won't always throw for 300+/3TDs
I would be optimistic if I had Hampton, looks like the Bolts are going to win a bunch of games and that means running out the clock in he 2nd Half
efactor
Footballguy
Don't feed the troll HSG
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efactor
Footballguy
I thought he looked fine. Didn't expect much against the Chiefs run D. As HSG pointed out, no goal line opportunities which obviously won't be the case all season.Hampton 15 carries
Harris 1 carry
Hampton is the starter, period
He looked good on some runs, other times he didn't have much room to run inside
He's going to have bigger days and Herbert won't always throw for 300+/3TDs
I would be optimistic if I had Hampton, looks like the Bolts are going to win a bunch of games and that means running out the clock in he 2nd Half
Glad to see him get a couple check downs in the 2nd half as well.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I was gonna say - if he gives people Jacobs level returns in that offense folks will be awfully pleased.
I have Jacobs on a win-now roster and last year he was just so consistent and so consistently good. That GB offense was significantly more run heavy than what we saw from LAC last night. And for as much as LAC threw, chiefs are pretty disciplined when it comes to pass coverage - I don’t remember a single DPI from the Chiefs, so no cheap goal to go’s.
I think as we see more of a sample size we’ll be better suited to making a real evaluation of Hampton. For now the distribution of touches was impressive.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I expect Najee to be more involved as he puts on more weight and gets back to game shape. He clearly isn’t that right now.
Da Franchise
Footballguy
Yeah Jacob’s the high end outcome of that group for sure.
I don’t think last nights run/pass split is a fluke. The first 4 games of the Chargers season last year, Herbert averaged just under 23 pass attempts per game. Then they had a bye. From week 6 on, his average attempts jumped to just under 32 per game. Last night he put it up 34 times.
It seems like Harbs made a conscious choice to put the team in Herbert’s hands and I don’t expect that to change. What could change is Najee getting more of the load which of course would come at Hampton’s expense. Bright side as you pointed out was there wasn’t much if any goal line work to be had.
Smack Tripper
Footballguy
Just got him a 4.04 in a ffpc draft... I didn't take him the 3rd because I took Henderson
