RB Rashaad Penny, CAR (2 Viewers)

[Deamon]

Injury prone? Regarding Rashaad, the term isn't worth a penny - Sportspress Northwest

In addition to rushing for 671 yards over the Seahawks’ final five games, most in the NFL in that span, RB Rashaad Penny struck a blow against sports-language abuse. He gashed the credibility of the phrase, “injury prone.” One of the most over-used terms in sports, it implies a vulnerability...

www.sportspressnw.com

This was of course before he broke his leg lol

 

[joey]

Injury prone? Regarding Rashaad, the term isn't worth a penny - Sportspress Northwest

In addition to rushing for 671 yards over the Seahawks’ final five games, most in the NFL in that span, RB Rashaad Penny struck a blow against sports-language abuse. He gashed the credibility of the phrase, “injury prone.” One of the most over-used terms in sports, it implies a vulnerability...

www.sportspressnw.com

This was of course before he broke his leg lol

This is just hilarious

 

[Deamon]

Injury prone? Regarding Rashaad, the term isn't worth a penny - Sportspress Northwest

In addition to rushing for 671 yards over the Seahawks’ final five games, most in the NFL in that span, RB Rashaad Penny struck a blow against sports-language abuse. He gashed the credibility of the phrase, “injury prone.” One of the most over-used terms in sports, it implies a vulnerability...

www.sportspressnw.com

This was of course before he broke his leg lol

This is just hilarious

Ya, especially this quote, right before the season that he messed up his quad and broke his leg haha

“This is the best I’ve ever felt,” he said. “I feel like I’m really back in college again. I’m way past the injuries. I don’t think about the knee anymore. I don’t think about the strains, because of what I’ve accomplished in the last month or so.”

Break is far better to heal than a tissue thing though.

 

[menobrown]

Regarding the player is injury prone discussion.

I've always thought it was myth in a general sense(I do believe in compensation injuries so one injury leading to another such as players returning from ACL are at greater risk of hamstrings). I also believe when injuries rob a player of athleticism that increases their odds of being hurt, that as far as I've seen is not applicable to Penny. For sure some players, like Penny and Toney, come along and make me re-think this stance.

But we can all go around and around on this. I'm guessing most people, even optimistic people on Penny, view him as an injury risk or at the very least a higher risk then most. Where those of us willing to invest in Penny differ is while most of us acknowledge the risk, we also don't accept that it's a given he can't stay healthy. That's a very distinct difference. And when you combine that with his historically great performance on a per carry basis(I'm not exaggerating) and that he landed in arguably the perfect offense makes him absolutely worthy of a speculative buy in fantasy and not someone just sit around dismissing as not having a chance because of his past or just assuming he's a few games and out.

I think the key to his season is two fold. His health of course and how much trust Howie puts in it with with respect to who he brings in as comp or to take carries away. I don't see a round one RB. Their picks at end of round 2 and 3 I would not dismiss and in this draft you'd be able to land a pretty premium RB in those spots. They don't pick in rounds 4-6 but they can move to that range. But Bijan is the only back they could draft I would think Penny is not the starter, and fwiw I said the same thing last year when SEA drafted Walker.

 

[Deamon]

Regarding the player is injury prone discussion.

I've always thought it was myth in a general sense(I do believe in compensation injuries so one injury leading to another such as players returning from ACL are at greater risk of hamstrings). I also believe when injuries rob a player of athleticism that increases their odds of being hurt, that as far as I've seen is not applicable to Penny. For sure some players, like Penny and Toney, come along and make me re-think this stance.

But we can all go around and around on this. I'm guessing most people, even optimistic people on Penny, view him as an injury risk or at the very least a higher risk then most. Where those of us willing to invest in Penny differ is while most of us acknowledge the risk, we also don't accept that it's a given he can't stay healthy. That's a very distinct difference. And when you combine that with his historically great performance on a per carry basis(I'm not exaggerating) and that he landed in arguably the perfect offense makes him absolutely worthy of a speculative buy in fantasy and not someone just sit around dismissing as not having a chance because of his past or just assuming he's a few games and out.

I think the key to his season is two fold. His health of course and how much trust Howie puts in it with with respect to who he brings in as comp or to take carries away. I don't see a round one RB. Their picks at end of round 2 and 3 I would not dismiss and in this draft you'd be able to land a pretty premium RB in those spots. They don't pick in rounds 4-6 but they can move to that range. But Bijan is the only back they could draft I would think Penny is not the starter, and fwiw I said the same thing last year when SEA drafted Walker.

 

[Down Under]

Everyone loves to make posts about a player being made of glass, but there are tons of examples where a 'can never stay healthy' player suddenly becomes very durable.

Thanks. What are some of the examples for a 'can never stay healthy' player that suddenly becomes very durable?

Fred Taylor

 

[IHEARTFF]

Everyone loves to make posts about a player being made of glass, but there are tons of examples where a 'can never stay healthy' player suddenly becomes very durable.

Thanks. What are some of the examples for a 'can never stay healthy' player that suddenly becomes very durable?

Fred Taylor

Interesting comp. Although, Fred Taylor put up 3x the yards and TDs Penny has in his first 5 seasons.

 

[massraider]

Fred Taylor

Anyone else concerned we have to go back quarter century to find a name? Jussss saying........I know @Deamon mentioned Keenan Allen before.


I remember Taylor well, my friends and I had a theory he was too strong too fast for human body limitations,hence all the injuries, like a Ferrari that was always in the shop. Bo Jackson, same thing. He was so strong, he damaged his own hip breaking a tackle. Humans normally cannot do that.

That 'injury prone' label is kind of dumb, it doesn't have basis in medical fact. But some people just have bad parts, that didn't heal right, and will never be 100% ever again. That's my fear with any of these guys that get that label. Are the injuries in the same area? That makes me more nervous.

 

[joey]

Hmm…maybe we change the term from “injury prone” to “never fully healed”. Probably more accurate.

 

[ghostguy123]

I think injury prone is a fine lable.
If I was playing, I would be injury prone.

 

[higgins]

James Conner is another example

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Regarding the player is injury prone discussion.

I've always thought it was myth in a general sense(I do believe in compensation injuries so one injury leading to another such as players returning from ACL are at greater risk of hamstrings). I also believe when injuries rob a player of athleticism that increases their odds of being hurt, that as far as I've seen is not applicable to Penny. For sure some players, like Penny and Toney, come along and make me re-think this stance.

But we can all go around and around on this. I'm guessing most people, even optimistic people on Penny, view him as an injury risk or at the very least a higher risk then most. Where those of us willing to invest in Penny differ is while most of us acknowledge the risk, we also don't accept that it's a given he can't stay healthy. That's a very distinct difference. And when you combine that with his historically great performance on a per carry basis(I'm not exaggerating) and that he landed in arguably the perfect offense makes him absolutely worthy of a speculative buy in fantasy and not someone just sit around dismissing as not having a chance because of his past or just assuming he's a few games and out.

I think the key to his season is two fold. His health of course and how much trust Howie puts in it with with respect to who he brings in as comp or to take carries away. I don't see a round one RB. Their picks at end of round 2 and 3 I would not dismiss and in this draft you'd be able to land a pretty premium RB in those spots. They don't pick in rounds 4-6 but they can move to that range. But Bijan is the only back they could draft I would think Penny is not the starter, and fwiw I said the same thing last year when SEA drafted Walker.

Sympathetic injuries are a thing, for sure.

I’ve read/heard interviews with a bunch of sports medicine docs, and it seems to be a consensus opinion that players often come back just a little too early from most injuries. Which leads to other injuries.

You mentioned hammies, but there’s also ankle, foot, hip, shoulder, etc. When players are hurt in one way, they tend to overuse tendons/muscles in overcompensation, leading to other injuries.

So while not really “injury prone”, an injured player seems likely to keep getting injured in different ways if they aren’t allowed time to properly heal.

And patience isn’t really an NFL concept. Players pride themselves on playing through stuff. It’s a backwards and counterproductive mentality/approach.

Not saying this applies to Penny, but he’s definitely had more than his fair share.

 

[menobrown]

Anyone else concerned we have to go back quarter century to find a name? Jussss saying........I know @Deamon mentioned Keenan Allen before.

Darren McFadden is one I'd throw out and someone with a lot of similar things to Penny's situation . Both first round picks who got second contracts with their teams despite missing a ton of games with injuries. DMC did not go on to have a big time injury free career when he left Oakland but for the purpose of this discussion I think just next year is what we are focused on and DMC's first year in Dallas he gave you 16 games and the best fantasy season of his career with a solid RB2 type of year. I would not call that a best case scenario for Penny's career or next season but a realistic starting point for an optimistic outlook.

 

[spurs44]

Everyone loves to make posts about a player being made of glass, but there are tons of examples where a 'can never stay healthy' player suddenly becomes very durable.

Thanks. What are some of the examples for a 'can never stay healthy' player that suddenly becomes very durable?

Fred Taylor shook the label for the most part(?)

Off the top of my head Terry Allen.

 

[spurs44]

Anyone else concerned we have to go back quarter century to find a name? Jussss saying........I know @Deamon mentioned Keenan Allen before.

Darren McFadden is one I'd throw out and someone with a lot of similar things to Penny's situation . Both first round picks who got second contracts with their teams despite missing a ton of games with injuries. DMC did not go on to have a big time injury free career when he left Oakland but for the purpose of this discussion I think just next year is what we are focused on and DMC's first year in Dallas he gave you 16 games and the best fantasy season of his career with a solid RB2 type of year. I would not call that a best case scenario for Penny's career or next season but a realistic starting point for an optimistic outlook.

He's going to be a tantalizing player this comming your in drafts. Imagine if he can finally stay healthy all year running behind one of the best O-lines in the league. Teams also have to deal with Hurts running ability and one of the best passing duo's in the league. I think he'll be going higher in ppr leagues that standard duevto Hurts goaline td's.

 

[JetMaxx]

Game day inactive until the playoffs.

 

[Joe Bryant]

He's going to be a tantalizing player this comming your in drafts. Imagine if he can finally stay healthy all year running behind one of the best O-lines in the league. Teams also have to deal with Hurts running ability and one of the best passing duo's in the league. I think he'll be going higher in ppr leagues that standard duevto Hurts goaline td's.

Thanks. Where do you rank him among RBs in PPR? How many games do you think he plays?

 

[Joe Bryant]

Game day inactive until the playoffs.

If you're trolling, stop.

If you believe this, elaborate in a big way.

 

[Joe Bryant]

Off the top of my head Terry Allen

I'm not sure I follow.

Terry Allen Career Stats

In 5 years, Penny's been played in 42 games.
In Allen's first 5 years, he played in 63 games including missing the entire 1993 season with an injury.

Allen had a bunch of years where he was available for every game.

We've yet to see that from Penny. Not saying it can't happen. But this isn't like a player who missed a few games.

Penny Career Stats

 

[Joe Bryant]

Interesting comp. Although, Fred Taylor put up 3x the yards and TDs Penny has in his first 5 seasons.

Agreed.

He was also way more available.

Fred Taylor Stats

Taylor was in 56 games in his first 5 years. Compared to 42 for Penny.

 

[JetMaxx]

Game day inactive until the playoffs.

If you're trolling, stop.

If you believe this, elaborate in a big way.

Said completely tongue in cheek but in a real world context that would be an interesting stash type play by the team if there are legitimate injury concerns. Player and the NFLPA would throw a fit though

 

[Willy]

Fred Taylor was a freak of nature. He was 6'1", almost 230 pounds but ran 4.29 in the 40. His size, speed and skill as a RB were absolutely elite. He kept getting the job back because he could flat out run. We probably shouldn't compare every guy with an injury-riddled past to Freddy unless they have proven themselves elite in some way. Saquon Barkley is actually a good comparison. Check out their first 5 years stats, games played, Yds, TDs etc. Very similar. Rashaad Penny? There was a 3 game stretch in 2000 where Fred put up more yards than Penny has in the entire season in 4 out of 5 years. Let that sink in.

Now personally, I like this landing spot for Penny and he's got a window to possibly salvage his career here. I don't think the odds are very high on that and I wouldn't want to give up a lot to acquire this guy. But I would not be shocked if he made something happen. I just don't love comparisons to Fred Taylor because that guy really was something special. He was a top 6 RB twice and 11th once in his first 5 years. He was a top 10 in his 6th season as well.

 

[spurs44]

Off the top of my head Terry Allen

I'm not sure I follow.

Terry Allen Career Stats

In 5 years, Penny's been played in 42 games.
In Allen's first 5 years, he played in 63 games including missing the entire 1993 season with an injury.

Allen had a bunch of years where he was available for every game.

We've yet to see that from Penny. Not saying it can't happen. But this isn't like a player who missed a few games.

Penny Career Stats

Thanks for the info. It was off the top of my head. I've been watching football since the 70's and I thought there was a rb who had an acl on both knees at different times who came back and played a few decent years afterwards for the Vikes

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Where do you rank him among RBs in PPR? How many games do you think he plays?

For redraft I believe he’ll be the first “dead zone RB” off the board. Bigtime risk/reward

His ceiling is a bit capped due to Hurts RZ / GL presence and rushing in general. But that’s probably offset a hit by being in a high paced offense that should run a lot of plays.

Interesting redraft player for sure.

In dynasty, that’s tricky. There are a lot of good young backs coming into the league. If healthy, maybe somewhere below AJ Dillon but above Isiah Pacheco?

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

As the question was specifically PPR, he kinda takes a hit there, too. PHI hasn’t shown a ton of interest in throwing to the RBs. And with GL shenanigans, he may even be behind Pacheco, depending what the Chiefs do in the draft

 

[bostonfred]

Thanks Joe. I'll jump in with a few things about his injuries.

Philadelphia has had remarkably good health from their rbs, unlike Seattle. Sanders Scott and gainwell have missed four games to injury over the last two years.

Part of that may be their offensive line which is much stronger than the Seahawks. Part may be their three back committee. And part may be Philly's strength and conditioning coaching staff, where their previous coach won a coaching award a few years ago and was promoted to vp overseeing their new coach who also seems to be doing well.

Penny is about to have his 3rd "contract year". 2021 was the 4th year of his deal and Seattle declined his 5th year option but he went off at the end of the year, starting 6 games and rushing for over 6 yards a carry. He was resigned in 2022 to a one year deal that was supposedly for less money than he could have gotten elsewhere, but while he looked good to start, he missed most of the season to injury. That might seem to be a knock on his conditioning, but it was a fractured fibula. For what it's worth, these usually heal well but take about 3-4 months to fully recover for athletes. Tony Pollard is recovering from the same injury.

2023 he got another one year deal for under 2 million at the very start of free agency, when he could probably have gotten as much or more by waiting. So he again appears to be betting on himself. Better strength coaching and limited usage may help him avoid injuries this year. A better offensive line could help him do more with less.

Philly doesnt have a ton of money to spend on another rb but penny still has to survive the draft. I wouldn't trade for him until closer to the season unless that risk was built into the price.

Even if he goes into the season as tbe lead back and stays healthy, it's hard to see Philadelphia leaning on him for 15 plus carries a game, but he could get similar usage to Sanders who had about 11-12 a game each year until last year when he averaged 15. That's... pretty good I guess.

I wouldn't expect 2022 Sanders numbers, but he should be serviceable. The thing that may help him is if Philadelphia is fighting for a playoff spot or bye and increases his usage later in the season like Kansas city has done recently.

So you're looking at a guy who should be OK but not great if he can survive free agency and the draft and stay healthy, but could go off later in the season.

All of that makes him a dynasty sell (if you can get a quality offer) or hold. In redraft, he's an attractive trade target later in the year. In best ball, he's a risky rb3 but quality rb4.

 

[Buckna]

Anyone else concerned we have to go back quarter century to find a name? Jussss saying........I know @Deamon mentioned Keenan Allen before.

Darren McFadden is one I'd throw out and someone with a lot of similar things to Penny's situation . Both first round picks who got second contracts with their teams despite missing a ton of games with injuries. DMC did not go on to have a big time injury free career when he left Oakland but for the purpose of this discussion I think just next year is what we are focused on and DMC's first year in Dallas he gave you 16 games and the best fantasy season of his career with a solid RB2 type of year. I would not call that a best case scenario for Penny's career or next season but a realistic starting point for an optimistic outlook.

Oh McFadden, what could have been. That year he lead the league in rushing the first half of the season was looking special and then suddenly out for the season. Never could shake his injury bug except that one out of nowhere season in Dallas. He signed with them and lost the starter job to be a backup to Joseph Randle to start the season. He averaged 7 carries a game for the first 5 games, then Randle got hurt early in week 6 and McFadden had a huge game on 29 carries. Dallas switched to McFadden and Randle got released after throwing a fit for being demoted which wasnt helped when shortly afterwards he got in trouble with the law again (he had earlier issues and he later went to prison multiple times over the years after football.) McFadden was pretty boom & bust the rest of year, had a nice fantasy season playing on a terrible team. The next offseason Dallas drafted Zeke, and if that wasn’t enough McFadden got hurt again in a non-football related injury during the offseason and was basically done at that point.

 

[massraider]

RB Rashaad Penny: 1-year, $1.35M with another $750K in incentives.

They paid safety Terrell Edmunds more.

 

[jtd13]

RB Rashaad Penny: 1-year, $1.35M with another $750K in incentives.

They paid safety Terrell Edmunds more.

The money certainly won't stop them from adding another RB if they feel it's a value, but that's about where the significance of the contract ends for me. People were dismissing Mostert in Miami with the same logic about contract last year.
I think the eagles are a smart team, and they are wisely taking the injury discount on upside at a fragile position.

 

[grateful zed]

I think Penny will be the lead dog, but I think Gainwell will get more love than if Sanders was still there. Gainwell will be more valuable in 2023 than he was in 2022.

That isn't saying much, he was worthless in 2022.

I offered someone Penny in a trade the night he signed with the Eagles. They responded they would not want to pay much for 5 games a year.

Later that night they did a trade where they acquired Gainwell.

Today they sent me a trade offer which involved them getting Penny. I rejected the trade and could not resist replying that I'd rather have the RB who gives me 5 good games a year then the RB who gives me 5 points a game all year.

I have gainwell and Scott and would like to acquire penny what was your offer like?

 

[spurs44]

Thanks Joe. I'll jump in with a few things about his injuries.

Philadelphia has had remarkably good health from their rbs, unlike Seattle. Sanders Scott and gainwell have missed four games to injury over the last two years.

Part of that may be their offensive line which is much stronger than the Seahawks. Part may be their three back committee. And part may be Philly's strength and conditioning coaching staff, where their previous coach won a coaching award a few years ago and was promoted to vp overseeing their new coach who also seems to be doing well.

Penny is about to have his 3rd "contract year". 2021 was the 4th year of his deal and Seattle declined his 5th year option but he went off at the end of the year, starting 6 games and rushing for over 6 yards a carry. He was resigned in 2022 to a one year deal that was supposedly for less money than he could have gotten elsewhere, but while he looked good to start, he missed most of the season to injury. That might seem to be a knock on his conditioning, but it was a fractured fibula. For what it's worth, these usually heal well but take about 3-4 months to fully recover for athletes. Tony Pollard is recovering from the same injury.

2023 he got another one year deal for under 2 million at the very start of free agency, when he could probably have gotten as much or more by waiting. So he again appears to be betting on himself. Better strength coaching and limited usage may help him avoid injuries this year. A better offensive line could help him do more with less.

Philly doesnt have a ton of money to spend on another rb but penny still has to survive the draft. I wouldn't trade for him until closer to the season unless that risk was built into the price.

Even if he goes into the season as tbe lead back and stays healthy, it's hard to see Philadelphia leaning on him for 15 plus carries a game, but he could get similar usage to Sanders who had about 11-12 a game each year until last year when he averaged 15. That's... pretty good I guess.

I wouldn't expect 2022 Sanders numbers, but he should be serviceable. The thing that may help him is if Philadelphia is fighting for a playoff spot or bye and increases his usage later in the season like Kansas city has done recently.

So you're looking at a guy who should be OK but not great if he can survive free agency and the draft and stay healthy, but could go off later in the season.

All of that makes him a dynasty sell (if you can get a quality offer) or hold. In redraft, he's an attractive trade target later in the year. In best ball, he's a risky rb3 but quality rb4.

Thanks for the excellent prospective!

 

[phandango]

I have gainwell and Scott and would like to acquire penny what was your offer like?

In FFPC superflex best ball, I have an offer on the table of my '24 R2 for Penny. I had offered my 3.05 and this was the counter. I don't need a RB that badly so I'm hesitant to take it, although it's probably fair value.

 

[Faust]

Rashaad Penny (broken fibula) is participating in Eagles OTAs. ​

We hadn't heard much on Penny's health since he went down last October for the Seahawks, but his presence on the June practice field for Philly means he's ready to go for for 2023, at least for now. Penny was spotted both taking handoffs and running routes, so it does not appear he was limited. Paired with similarly-volatile D'Andre Swift, Penny is one of this summer's most fascinating RB3 fliers in the Eagles' high-powered offense.
SOURCE: Martin Frank on Twitter
Jun 1, 2023, 6:06 PM ET

 

[Faust]

Rashaad Penny received the first-team offensive reps in the Eagles’ first day of training camp.

Recovered from a broken leg, Penny — at least for one day — ran ahead of backfield mates D’Andre Swift and Kenneth Gainwell. Penny’s redraft ADP has continued to be depressed due to what will likely be a split Philadelphia backfield and lingering injury concerns for Penny. With a career 5.8 yards per carry average, Penny profiles as an upside fantasy option in an Eagles offense that leaned heavily on the run when leading in 2022. Penny probably won’t have much involvement, if any, in the team’s passing attack.

 

[efactor]

Would love to grab him as a RB-4 this year. If he stays in that 10th round area, I'm all in.

 

[Snotbubbles]

Would love to grab him as a RB-4 this year. If he stays in that 10th round area, I'm all in.

He's got so much competition for carries from Hurts, Swift, Gainwell, Scott. I wouldn't project him for more than 150 carries in a fully healthy season. At best he's splitting carries with Swift, at worst he gets beat out by Gainwell for the #2 spot and he never/rarely sees the field. If the Eagles didn't trade for Swift, I'd take a flyer, but with Swift in the fold, I just don't see the value.

 

[efactor]

Would love to grab him as a RB-4 this year. If he stays in that 10th round area, I'm all in.

He's got so much competition for carries from Hurts, Swift, Gainwell, Scott. I wouldn't project him for more than 150 carries in a fully healthy season. At best he's splitting carries with Swift, at worst he gets beat out by Gainwell for the #2 spot and he never/rarely sees the field. If the Eagles didn't trade for Swift, I'd take a flyer, but with Swift in the fold, I just don't see the value.

Disagree. If (big if of course) Penny has a fully healthy season, he is by far the best pure RB of the group. Eagles don't throw to their backs that much, so I don't see his skills as a receiver keeping him off the field. Just think that as cheap as he is, could be a really nice value. The guy has averaged 5.7 YPC in his career and Seattle wasn't a great OL to run behind. Just a matter of health.

 

[kface]

Would love to grab him as a RB-4 this year. If he stays in that 10th round area, I'm all in.

He's got so much competition for carries from Hurts, Swift, Gainwell, Scott. I wouldn't project him for more than 150 carries in a fully healthy season. At best he's splitting carries with Swift, at worst he gets beat out by Gainwell for the #2 spot and he never/rarely sees the field. If the Eagles didn't trade for Swift, I'd take a flyer, but with Swift in the fold, I just don't see the value.

Disagree. If (big if of course) Penny has a fully healthy season, he is by far the best pure RB of the group. Eagles don't throw to their backs that much, so I don't see his skills as a receiver keeping him off the field. Just think that as cheap as he is, could be a really nice value. The guy has averaged 5.7 YPC in his career and Seattle wasn't a great OL to run behind. Just a matter of health.

I agree with you as well. Penney is potentially the steal of the draft right now. Swift is chronically hurt and soft. If Penney can string together 6-8 games (or more) when you need him he can make a huge difference

 

[Snotbubbles]

Would love to grab him as a RB-4 this year. If he stays in that 10th round area, I'm all in.

He's got so much competition for carries from Hurts, Swift, Gainwell, Scott. I wouldn't project him for more than 150 carries in a fully healthy season. At best he's splitting carries with Swift, at worst he gets beat out by Gainwell for the #2 spot and he never/rarely sees the field. If the Eagles didn't trade for Swift, I'd take a flyer, but with Swift in the fold, I just don't see the value.

Disagree. If (big if of course) Penny has a fully healthy season, he is by far the best pure RB of the group. Eagles don't throw to their backs that much, so I don't see his skills as a receiver keeping him off the field. Just think that as cheap as he is, could be a really nice value. The guy has averaged 5.7 YPC in his career and Seattle wasn't a great OL to run behind. Just a matter of health.

Another thing I forgot to mention is that Jalen Hurts vultures the goal line TDs, too. I wouldn't want any of the Eagles RBs.

 

[Soulfly3]

Would love to grab him as a RB-4 this year. If he stays in that 10th round area, I'm all in.

He's got so much competition for carries from Hurts, Swift, Gainwell, Scott. I wouldn't project him for more than 150 carries in a fully healthy season. At best he's splitting carries with Swift, at worst he gets beat out by Gainwell for the #2 spot and he never/rarely sees the field. If the Eagles didn't trade for Swift, I'd take a flyer, but with Swift in the fold, I just don't see the value.

Disagree. If (big if of course) Penny has a fully healthy season, he is by far the best pure RB of the group. Eagles don't throw to their backs that much, so I don't see his skills as a receiver keeping him off the field. Just think that as cheap as he is, could be a really nice value. The guy has averaged 5.7 YPC in his career and Seattle wasn't a great OL to run behind. Just a matter of health.

Another thing I forgot to mention is that Jalen Hurts vultures the goal line TDs, too. I wouldn't want any of the Eagles RBs.

Don't watch much eagles, but after you pay your QB like that, do you use him as a goal line smasher, or let the stud RBs do it now?

 

[efactor]

Would love to grab him as a RB-4 this year. If he stays in that 10th round area, I'm all in.

He's got so much competition for carries from Hurts, Swift, Gainwell, Scott. I wouldn't project him for more than 150 carries in a fully healthy season. At best he's splitting carries with Swift, at worst he gets beat out by Gainwell for the #2 spot and he never/rarely sees the field. If the Eagles didn't trade for Swift, I'd take a flyer, but with Swift in the fold, I just don't see the value.

Disagree. If (big if of course) Penny has a fully healthy season, he is by far the best pure RB of the group. Eagles don't throw to their backs that much, so I don't see his skills as a receiver keeping him off the field. Just think that as cheap as he is, could be a really nice value. The guy has averaged 5.7 YPC in his career and Seattle wasn't a great OL to run behind. Just a matter of health.

Another thing I forgot to mention is that Jalen Hurts vultures the goal line TDs, too. I wouldn't want any of the Eagles RBs.

OK, but Sanders still had 11 TDs last year and Gainwell/Scott had another 7. In that offense, plenty of TDs for the RBs even if Hurts repeats his 13 from last year, which he probably won't.

 

[FantasyMC]

I agree with you as well. Penney is potentially the steal of the draft right now. Swift is chronically hurt and soft. If Penney can string together 6-8 games (or more) when you need him he can make a huge difference

And Penny isn't?

 

[Snotbubbles]

Would love to grab him as a RB-4 this year. If he stays in that 10th round area, I'm all in.

He's got so much competition for carries from Hurts, Swift, Gainwell, Scott. I wouldn't project him for more than 150 carries in a fully healthy season. At best he's splitting carries with Swift, at worst he gets beat out by Gainwell for the #2 spot and he never/rarely sees the field. If the Eagles didn't trade for Swift, I'd take a flyer, but with Swift in the fold, I just don't see the value.

Disagree. If (big if of course) Penny has a fully healthy season, he is by far the best pure RB of the group. Eagles don't throw to their backs that much, so I don't see his skills as a receiver keeping him off the field. Just think that as cheap as he is, could be a really nice value. The guy has averaged 5.7 YPC in his career and Seattle wasn't a great OL to run behind. Just a matter of health.

I agree with you as well. Penney is potentially the steal of the draft right now. Swift is chronically hurt and soft. If Penney can string together 6-8 games (or more) when you need him he can make a huge difference

Swift has played 40 games in 3 years. Penny has played 42 in 5 years (18 the last 3). Penny would need a convergence of things to happen for him to have any real value this season. 1. He need to stay healthy (unlikely); 2. He needs Swift to be injured or ineffective (possible); 3. The Eagles need to stop doing the tush push at the goal line (doubtful). Penny doesn't score a lot of TDs, he doesn't catch many passes. For the Eagles, he'll be a between the 20s runner and he'll be in a RBBC doing that. Go ahead take a flyer on the guy, but I think there are probably guys who if there was an injury would be better, more reliable risks.

 

[Amused to Death]

Would love to grab him as a RB-4 this year. If he stays in that 10th round area, I'm all in.

He's got so much competition for carries from Hurts, Swift, Gainwell, Scott. I wouldn't project him for more than 150 carries in a fully healthy season. At best he's splitting carries with Swift, at worst he gets beat out by Gainwell for the #2 spot and he never/rarely sees the field. If the Eagles didn't trade for Swift, I'd take a flyer, but with Swift in the fold, I just don't see the value.

Disagree. If (big if of course) Penny has a fully healthy season, he is by far the best pure RB of the group. Eagles don't throw to their backs that much, so I don't see his skills as a receiver keeping him off the field. Just think that as cheap as he is, could be a really nice value. The guy has averaged 5.7 YPC in his career and Seattle wasn't a great OL to run behind. Just a matter of health.

I agree with you as well. Penney is potentially the steal of the draft right now. Swift is chronically hurt and soft. If Penney can string together 6-8 games (or more) when you need him he can make a huge difference

Swift has played 40 games in 3 years. Penny has played 42 in 5 years (18 the last 3). Penny would need a convergence of things to happen for him to have any real value this season. 1. He need to stay healthy (unlikely); 2. He needs Swift to be injured or ineffective (possible); 3. The Eagles need to stop doing the tush push at the goal line (doubtful). Penny doesn't score a lot of TDs, he doesn't catch many passes. For the Eagles, he'll be a between the 20s runner and he'll be in a RBBC doing that. Go ahead take a flyer on the guy, but I think there are probably guys who if there was an injury would be better, more reliable risks.

I would expect Hurts' TDs to drop to about 8-10 rushing TDs. I wouldn't expect much more from Scott (3) or Gainwell (4). Someone's going to account for Sanders' 11 and the 3-5 TD decrease from Hurts.

I like Penny over Swift to pick up the majority of those TDs. But again, health is a major factor. I like Penny as a later round flyer for sure.

 

[efactor]

Would love to grab him as a RB-4 this year. If he stays in that 10th round area, I'm all in.

He's got so much competition for carries from Hurts, Swift, Gainwell, Scott. I wouldn't project him for more than 150 carries in a fully healthy season. At best he's splitting carries with Swift, at worst he gets beat out by Gainwell for the #2 spot and he never/rarely sees the field. If the Eagles didn't trade for Swift, I'd take a flyer, but with Swift in the fold, I just don't see the value.

Disagree. If (big if of course) Penny has a fully healthy season, he is by far the best pure RB of the group. Eagles don't throw to their backs that much, so I don't see his skills as a receiver keeping him off the field. Just think that as cheap as he is, could be a really nice value. The guy has averaged 5.7 YPC in his career and Seattle wasn't a great OL to run behind. Just a matter of health.

I agree with you as well. Penney is potentially the steal of the draft right now. Swift is chronically hurt and soft. If Penney can string together 6-8 games (or more) when you need him he can make a huge difference

Swift has played 40 games in 3 years. Penny has played 42 in 5 years (18 the last 3). Penny would need a convergence of things to happen for him to have any real value this season. 1. He need to stay healthy (unlikely); 2. He needs Swift to be injured or ineffective (possible); 3. The Eagles need to stop doing the tush push at the goal line (doubtful). Penny doesn't score a lot of TDs, he doesn't catch many passes. For the Eagles, he'll be a between the 20s runner and he'll be in a RBBC doing that. Go ahead take a flyer on the guy, but I think there are probably guys who if there was an injury would be better, more reliable risks.

Per bolded, why wouldn't he be the goal-line back? At 220 pounds, a much bigger back than Gainwell and Scott and a more powerful runner than Swift. I see no reason he would be a "between the 20s" runner if healthy.

 

[Amused to Death]

Would love to grab him as a RB-4 this year. If he stays in that 10th round area, I'm all in.

He's got so much competition for carries from Hurts, Swift, Gainwell, Scott. I wouldn't project him for more than 150 carries in a fully healthy season. At best he's splitting carries with Swift, at worst he gets beat out by Gainwell for the #2 spot and he never/rarely sees the field. If the Eagles didn't trade for Swift, I'd take a flyer, but with Swift in the fold, I just don't see the value.

Disagree. If (big if of course) Penny has a fully healthy season, he is by far the best pure RB of the group. Eagles don't throw to their backs that much, so I don't see his skills as a receiver keeping him off the field. Just think that as cheap as he is, could be a really nice value. The guy has averaged 5.7 YPC in his career and Seattle wasn't a great OL to run behind. Just a matter of health.

I agree with you as well. Penney is potentially the steal of the draft right now. Swift is chronically hurt and soft. If Penney can string together 6-8 games (or more) when you need him he can make a huge difference

Swift has played 40 games in 3 years. Penny has played 42 in 5 years (18 the last 3). Penny would need a convergence of things to happen for him to have any real value this season. 1. He need to stay healthy (unlikely); 2. He needs Swift to be injured or ineffective (possible); 3. The Eagles need to stop doing the tush push at the goal line (doubtful). Penny doesn't score a lot of TDs, he doesn't catch many passes. For the Eagles, he'll be a between the 20s runner and he'll be in a RBBC doing that. Go ahead take a flyer on the guy, but I think there are probably guys who if there was an injury would be better, more reliable risks.

Per bolded, why wouldn't he be the goal-line back? At 220 pounds, a much bigger back than Gainwell and Scott and a more powerful runner than Swift. I see no reason he would be a "between the 20s" runner if healthy.

Right now I see his ADP is mid-12th round. I'm buying in the 12th.

ETA: sorry, the ADP I see is for dynasty start up.

 

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I agree with you as well. Penney is potentially the steal of the draft right now. Swift is chronically hurt and soft. If Penney can string together 6-8 games (or more) when you need him he can make a huge difference

And Penny isn't?

Penney is acutely hurt...Swift doesn't seem like he ever has a healthy game...he is chronically hurt and soft

 

[kface]

Would love to grab him as a RB-4 this year. If he stays in that 10th round area, I'm all in.

He's got so much competition for carries from Hurts, Swift, Gainwell, Scott. I wouldn't project him for more than 150 carries in a fully healthy season. At best he's splitting carries with Swift, at worst he gets beat out by Gainwell for the #2 spot and he never/rarely sees the field. If the Eagles didn't trade for Swift, I'd take a flyer, but with Swift in the fold, I just don't see the value.

Disagree. If (big if of course) Penny has a fully healthy season, he is by far the best pure RB of the group. Eagles don't throw to their backs that much, so I don't see his skills as a receiver keeping him off the field. Just think that as cheap as he is, could be a really nice value. The guy has averaged 5.7 YPC in his career and Seattle wasn't a great OL to run behind. Just a matter of health.

I agree with you as well. Penney is potentially the steal of the draft right now. Swift is chronically hurt and soft. If Penney can string together 6-8 games (or more) when you need him he can make a huge difference

Swift has played 40 games in 3 years. Penny has played 42 in 5 years (18 the last 3). Penny would need a convergence of things to happen for him to have any real value this season. 1. He need to stay healthy (unlikely); 2. He needs Swift to be injured or ineffective (possible); 3. The Eagles need to stop doing the tush push at the goal line (doubtful). Penny doesn't score a lot of TDs, he doesn't catch many passes. For the Eagles, he'll be a between the 20s runner and he'll be in a RBBC doing that. Go ahead take a flyer on the guy, but I think there are probably guys who if there was an injury would be better, more reliable risks.

But 20 (estimate on my part as a swift dynasty owner) of those games swift was questionable and played incredibly soft. That's what i meant by chronically hurt...it's always something with him.

 

[efactor]

Would love to grab him as a RB-4 this year. If he stays in that 10th round area, I'm all in.

He's got so much competition for carries from Hurts, Swift, Gainwell, Scott. I wouldn't project him for more than 150 carries in a fully healthy season. At best he's splitting carries with Swift, at worst he gets beat out by Gainwell for the #2 spot and he never/rarely sees the field. If the Eagles didn't trade for Swift, I'd take a flyer, but with Swift in the fold, I just don't see the value.

Disagree. If (big if of course) Penny has a fully healthy season, he is by far the best pure RB of the group. Eagles don't throw to their backs that much, so I don't see his skills as a receiver keeping him off the field. Just think that as cheap as he is, could be a really nice value. The guy has averaged 5.7 YPC in his career and Seattle wasn't a great OL to run behind. Just a matter of health.

I agree with you as well. Penney is potentially the steal of the draft right now. Swift is chronically hurt and soft. If Penney can string together 6-8 games (or more) when you need him he can make a huge difference

Swift has played 40 games in 3 years. Penny has played 42 in 5 years (18 the last 3). Penny would need a convergence of things to happen for him to have any real value this season. 1. He need to stay healthy (unlikely); 2. He needs Swift to be injured or ineffective (possible); 3. The Eagles need to stop doing the tush push at the goal line (doubtful). Penny doesn't score a lot of TDs, he doesn't catch many passes. For the Eagles, he'll be a between the 20s runner and he'll be in a RBBC doing that. Go ahead take a flyer on the guy, but I think there are probably guys who if there was an injury would be better, more reliable risks.

But 20 of those games swift was questionable and played incredibly soft. That's what i meant by chronically hurt...it's always something with him.

Yeah, as a Swift owner last year, I found this out quickly. Suited up but was on a pitch count virtually every game. Better for the team that he was able to play some, but horrible for fantasy football purposes.

 

[Drake Hater]

Intrigued by the possibility of a strong late season Penny, esp if Swift stays true to form and gets scraped up. A healthy Penny is definitely a class ahead of Gainwell and Scott and could take the majority of snaps down the stretch. Might be a nice late round stash.