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RB Ronald Jones, Cowboys (2 Viewers)
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That’s a lot of faith for a guy who was serving as the backup and getting outplayed by guys like Darrel Williams and Jerick McKinnon just last season.
CEH has one thing going for him at this point…draft capital. And that’s only going to give you so many chances, especially at the RB position.
No never heard anything about it again, believe he said it was some kind of stomach surgery and he got down to 165 last off-season and did not really fully run until camp.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Grahamburn
Footballguy
Good luck, RoJo. If you ever figure out the passing game you’ll be great.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
That's what I said last year and....
I don't share the opinion you gave earlier that ROJO is not more of a threat to the other RB's but at the same time anyone they brought in was a threat to CEH if he does not pick it up because we all watched McKinnon balling out in the playoffs while CEH was lumbering around. When cast offs, street FA mid-season type pickup are putting you on the bench and looking better then he has really at any time it's a concern. And I do remember CEH was coming off injury and illness and that is part of the thought processbut as someone who was deeply invested in him that was hard to watch.
I traded CEH off twice last week but really never had that as a goal, just the way it happened because despite all of that, factoring in his supposed weight loss, injury, illness ,etc I don't think he's done horribly with his chances, super young, etc, etc. But he's looked fairly ordinary in just about everything is the flip side.
It left with me one remaining share of CEH in dynasty and as luck would have it he's on one of my last two teams with ROJO. So I really have no horse in the race so to speak and saying that I don't know which one I'd rather own next year or who will perform better. They are kind of polar opposites.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Last year started off bad for CEH because of the stomach surgery. He got down to 165 pound. Plus the shoulder injury played a role, plus Mahomes didn't throw to his backs much that I recall. With the loss of Hill and IF CEH can stay healthy, and IF the Chiefs throw to him more, then he could surprise. Like I said earlier, make or break year for CEH.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Sure thing, but I sure as hell not looking to buy at a 2nd round pick like @Hot Sauce Guysaid. Ronald Jones' value is a 3rd round rookie pick IMO.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
i agree with this aside/opinion. I think he’s slightly undervalued from what I’ve seen people saying about him. Vaughn hasn’t impressed me at all, so IMO Lenny is one of the few true feature backs in the NFL. I think I last read he’s projected to go early 2nd in redraft? That’s criminally undervalued.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
JohnnyU
Footballguy
I know what you meant and I still disagree. Unless something happens to CEH between now and the draft you won't find anyone that will give you a 2nd round pick for Jones....no one. If you do, please post it in this thread.
We are having same discussion but as I aid in the other thread I don't agree with you that he needs someething to happen to CEH. I consider CEH no more the starter then I do ROJO(acronym central with these two).
I will be offering a second for him next week.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
CEH’s 40 at the combine 4.60s
RoJo’s 40 at the combine 4.65s*
*Technically correct but pointed out later ROJO pulled his hammy at the combine.
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I would think anyone who has seen these two play would know ROJO is in another world in terms of speed.CEH’s 40 at the combine 4.60s
RoJo’s 40 at the combine 4.65s
When you looked up those 40 times I'd guess you don't remember or did not look up fact ROJO had a bad hamstring.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Sep 16, 2017Non-NFLLeg Thigh BruiseJones missed 1 game during his final season at USC with a thigh injury.
Mar 2, 2018Non-NFLThigh Hamstring Sprain/Pull Unspecified Grade 1Jones injured his hamstring after the 2017 season and aggravated it running the 40-yard dash at the Combine.
Oct 28, 2018NFLThigh Hamstring Strain Grade 2Jones missed 4 games with a hamstring injury.
Dec 13, 2020NFLHand Finger FractureJones fractured his pinky during Week 14's win over the Vikings. He missed two games
Jan 9, 2021NFLLeg Quad BruiseJones suffered a quad injury during pregame warmups ahead of the wild-card matchup against Washington.
Feb 16, 2021NFLHand Finger FractureJones underwent surgery to remove a pin from his left pinky finger
Jan 2, 2022NFLPedal Ankle Sprain/Pull Unspecified Grade 1Jones suffered an ankle injury in the team’s Week 17 battle at the New York Jets. He missed three game
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Then CEH has gotten fat & slow since the combine because he’s much slower than RoJo.CEH’s 40 at the combine 4.60s
RoJo’s 40 at the combine 4.65s
Or maybe it’s his lack of vision.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Yes and he ran 4.48 at his pro day which even seems a little slower then he plays.Seems relevant idk
He has some warts in his game, but the juice he brings is not one of them.
Appears you are correct, it wasn’t annotated on his profile page but there are news stories he pulled up during his first combine run.
He later ran a 4.48 at his pro day so definitely faster than CEH. (IDK if CEH ran at his pro day to try to improve his time or not, can’t find any references.)
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JohnnyU
Footballguy
He won't turn 25 until August but feels like he's been the league much longer than that.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Yeah, because 1 season under Arians probably feels like 6 in RoJo years.
i distinctly recall one of his 2 fumbles in year 1 with Brady was when Brady threw a ball 2’ behind him & at the turf - Jones had to completely turn around, and went to his knees to make a terrific catch while simultaneously getting crushed by a LB. It was reviewed and insanely upheld. For one his knees were both down, and for another it’s debatable whether he made a “football move”.
Yeah - he never saw the field again that day.
Arians clearly didn’t like RoJo, and it showed in the absurd usage and discipline.
I have not forgot when I was doing my draft prep last year that ROJO is just 7 months older then Najee.
CEH himself is very young, when I traded him last week ETN was involved having never owned ETN that's when I realized he was actually 6 months older then CEH.
Maybe when he was still on the Bucs. No one’s going to trade him for a 3rd at this point. Upside is too high.
One of the points in his favor when he came out for dynasty drafts was he was really young when he came out. I know that was one reason I picked him over Michel for example despite Michel going in the 1st a few spots ahead of him. Unfortunately I picked him over Chubb too
JohnnyU
Footballguy
There is the dilemma. Jones owners won't trade for a third and no one will give a 2nd unless something happens to CEH. Well, no one except @menobrown
and @Hot Sauce Guy
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I would pay a late 2nd for him no problem. And I’m not even a huge Rojo fan.
Might would even pay a mid if I were OTC and didn’t like any of the options much.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Do us a favor and post any trades you see where a 2nd was given for Jones. I would love to see them, as would everyone else probably.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Might wanna go back and change your response to my post then.
CEH couldn’t outrun a ham sandwich comparatively. No way in hell he pulls off that 98 yard TD. The longest run of his entire career is 31 yards. IIRC, he was caught from behind & tackled in the open field by a LB.
Last year his longest run was 17, and then he kinda lost his job to Jet McKinnon & one of the Williamses.
This is the problem with valuing him now - I eluded to it before. Owners have been waiting too long for him to get this opportunity to sell low right now, and buyers won’t want to spend more than a 3rd to get him, which many owners won’t accept.
it is what it is.
Capella
Footballguy
Almost word for word what I’ve said about RoJo here. Hope it works out for him but I’d be surprised:
https://twitter.com/ledyardnfldraft/status/1507734561949728777?s=21&t=jIseqqecsElLRchMfwrqxg
https://twitter.com/ledyardnfldraft/status/1507734561949728777?s=21&t=jIseqqecsElLRchMfwrqxg
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Capella
Footballguy
Look man we aren’t ever going to agree here but Arians didn’t like RoJo because RoJo is bad at everything football related except running the ball. There’s nothing else to it.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I wouldn’t. I already have him in my Dynasty league.There is the dilemma. Jones owners won't trade for a third and no one will give a 2nd unless something happens to CEH. Well, no one except @menobrown
And I never said I would. I said that’s arguably his value. There’s a difference.
A few days ago in this very topic I was recommending him as a buy-low. I believe i said a 2022 3rd.
I would be extremely unlikely to accept a 2022 mid-late 2nd for him right now.
I would absolutely take a 2023 mid-late second for him right now. I might even take a 2023 early 3rd for him right now, but that one is closer to me just holding to see how soon CEH sucks and/or gets hurt. Again.
I like your take, both ROJO and CEH will be high risk but high reward plays. I could see all scenarios here: one seizing the role or one or both getting in the doghouse or eating into each other week to week not knowing which guy to start, or even some waiver wire 3rd string taking over 1st team reps. I unloaded both for as much value as I could get back a few years ago so have given up on them both and don’t expect either to seize this job long-term. But in this offense with the departure of Tyreek some massive upside will be tantalizing. If they suppress each other’s ADP’s they likely will be nice targets in redraft (will they both fall to 5th or 6th roundish maybe?)
Also
on the Roto comment. I have envisioned the South Park episode about the Family Guy writers every time I read one of their more out there “takes.”
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Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
The fumbling is severely overrated, but otherwise I agree.
and now you have another follow.
Capella
Footballguy
Hah that’s not me but you couldn’t tell based on the tweetThe fumbling is severely overrated, but otherwise I agree.
and now you have another follow.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Was that the “simpsons did it!” Episode?Also
hilarious.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Oh - then maybe you don’t have another follower.Hah that’s not me but you couldn’t tell based on the tweet
Were you the 1st response to that tweet?
ETA: Ah, I see - you’re saying that tweeter was saying what you’ve said. Got it
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Capella
Footballguy
Yea for some reason it didn’t link right. Confusing.Oh - then maybe you don’t have another follower.
Were you the 1st response to that tweet?
ETA: Ah, I see - you’re saying that tweeter was saying what you’ve said. Got it
Ledyard is a good follow for draft stuff though.
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That one was a great episode but a few years earlier in 2002. This was a 2-parter in ‘06 called Cartoon Wars with a similar concept, it was poking fun at all the people that talked about Family Guy stealing from South Park or the Simpsons. All great episodes. And weird to think they aired like 20 and 15 years ago now and all 3 shows are still on. Been on so long now that Family Guy even had an episode a few years ago complaining that Rick & Morty were stealing from THEM of all people. The circle continues!
JohnnyU
Footballguy
I never said he would go for a 3rd, only that was his value IMO. Like I said, you will have Jones owners not finding too many trade partners for a 2nd.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
