RB Saquon Barkley, PHI (3 Viewers)

[Snotbubbles]

Jim Brown averaged 6.4 YPC in 1963. This is well above what Dickerson, Barkley, OJ, or Peyton averaged. If you extrapolate it times the number of carries Dickerson had, Brown would have had about 2300 yards rushing.

Frankly I think Peterson's 2012 season is #2 on my list. He was a beast that year.

Except you can't extrapolate it out because past performance does not guarantee future results.

Jim Brown in the first 10 games of the 1963 season: 204 rushes (20.4 r/gm), 1447 yards, 7.1 ypc

Jim Brown in the last 4 games of the 1963 season: 87 carries (21.8 r/gm), 416 yards, 4.8 ypc

Brown never averaged over 6 ypc in his career outside of that season so I'd view his performance as an outlier that season which appeared to be regressing to the norm. Another 2 games based on the way his last month went may have only netted him an additional 200 yards or so.

 

[Faust]

Giants says loss of Saquon Barkley in locker room underestimated

 

[-OZ-]

Giants says loss of Saquon Barkley in locker room underestimated

File under “things everyone except the pertinent decision makers knew”

 

[need2know]

Jim Brown averaged 6.4 YPC in 1963. This is well above what Dickerson, Barkley, OJ, or Peyton averaged. If you extrapolate it times the number of carries Dickerson had, Brown would have had about 2300 yards rushing.

Frankly I think Peterson's 2012 season is #2 on my list. He was a beast that year.

Except you can't extrapolate it out because past performance does not guarantee future results.

Jim Brown in the first 10 games of the 1963 season: 204 rushes (20.4 r/gm), 1447 yards, 7.1 ypc

Jim Brown in the last 4 games of the 1963 season: 87 carries (21.8 r/gm), 416 yards, 4.8 ypc

Brown never averaged over 6 ypc in his career outside of that season so I'd view his performance as an outlier that season which appeared to be regressing to the norm. Another 2 games based on the way his last month went may have only netted him an additional 200 yards or so.

Jim brown was also playing vs a bunch of plumbers and construction workers.

 

[travdogg]

Jim Brown averaged 6.4 YPC in 1963. This is well above what Dickerson, Barkley, OJ, or Peyton averaged. If you extrapolate it times the number of carries Dickerson had, Brown would have had about 2300 yards rushing.

Frankly I think Peterson's 2012 season is #2 on my list. He was a beast that year.

Except you can't extrapolate it out because past performance does not guarantee future results.

Jim Brown in the first 10 games of the 1963 season: 204 rushes (20.4 r/gm), 1447 yards, 7.1 ypc

Jim Brown in the last 4 games of the 1963 season: 87 carries (21.8 r/gm), 416 yards, 4.8 ypc

Brown never averaged over 6 ypc in his career outside of that season so I'd view his performance as an outlier that season which appeared to be regressing to the norm. Another 2 games based on the way his last month went may have only netted him an additional 200 yards or so.

Jim brown was also playing vs a bunch of plumbers and construction workers.

His 2nd to last game that season was against a Lions defense with 4 HOFers on it, arguably better than any defense that exists right now. Which accordingly Brown went 13-61 against.

 

[need2know]

Jim Brown averaged 6.4 YPC in 1963. This is well above what Dickerson, Barkley, OJ, or Peyton averaged. If you extrapolate it times the number of carries Dickerson had, Brown would have had about 2300 yards rushing.

Frankly I think Peterson's 2012 season is #2 on my list. He was a beast that year.

Except you can't extrapolate it out because past performance does not guarantee future results.

Jim Brown in the first 10 games of the 1963 season: 204 rushes (20.4 r/gm), 1447 yards, 7.1 ypc

Jim Brown in the last 4 games of the 1963 season: 87 carries (21.8 r/gm), 416 yards, 4.8 ypc

Brown never averaged over 6 ypc in his career outside of that season so I'd view his performance as an outlier that season which appeared to be regressing to the norm. Another 2 games based on the way his last month went may have only netted him an additional 200 yards or so.

Jim brown was also playing vs a bunch of plumbers and construction workers.

His 2nd to last game that season was against a Lions defense with 4 HOFers on it, arguably better than any defense that exists right now. Which accordingly Brown went 13-61 against.

I know. I was kinda joking

 

[Rubi]

I'm a Barkley fan
But all due respect
Jim Brown was and is the G.O.A.T. in regards to running backs

 

[Faust]

Saquon Barkley and the making of '2K Sa'

 

[Faust]

Eagles RB Saquon Barkley's late slide in playoff win stymies bettors

 

[Winning IS Everything]

Eagles RB Saquon Barkley's late slide in playoff win stymies bettors

As much as I enjoy watching Saquon's long runs this year, I thought the slide was a class move, and the right move.

 

[Pickle Rody]

Eagles RB Saquon Barkley's late slide in playoff win stymies bettors

As much as I enjoy watching Saquon's long runs this year, I thought the slide was a class move, and the right move.

It was a classy move. He explained it simply enough also. The goal of the play was to get a first down, win the game. Done & done. No need to continue running. Who's next?

 

[zamboni]

Amazing that there are a lot of Giants fans that despise Barkley. I understand that he went to their hated rival, but he’s a pure class individual and it’s not his fault the Giants didn’t try very hard to retain him.

 

[Faust]

@NFLPlus
SAQUON BARKLEY HITS 20.78 MPH ON HIS 62-YARD TD, per @NextGenStats

His 12th carry over 20 mph this season, tied for most in the NFL

: #LARvsPHI on NBC
: Stream on #NFLPlus + Peacock

x.com

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[Uncle Leo]

Amazing that there are a lot of Giants fans that despise Barkley. I understand that he went to their hated rival, but he’s a pure class individual and it’s not his fault the Giants didn’t try very hard to retain him.

Love him. I’m a die-hard Giants fan.

 

[Uncle Leo]

I wonder how Joe Schoen and Mara are feeling about letting their franchise player go to their arch rivals. Has there ever been a worse decision than letting Saquon go?

 

[Alex P Keaton]

I wonder how Joe Schoen and Mara are feeling about letting their franchise player go to their arch rivals. Has there ever been a worse decision than letting Saquon go?

Mara is a nepo baby

 

[sm8680]

John Mara has 15 grandchildren and each one of them has a Barkley No. 26 jersey. John was sick about losing Saquon. Remember when he talked about sleepless nights if Saquon Barkley escaped from New York and landed in Philadelphia?

 

[TampaMike19]

Can't believe the Giants GM still has a job.

 

[BlackCrowes]

I wonder how Joe Schoen and Mara are feeling about letting their franchise player go to their arch rivals. Has there ever been a worse decision than letting Saquon go?

So they could go 6-11?

 

[Faust]

@NFLPlus
Saquon hits 20.78 mph AGAIN on his 78-yard TD run, per @NextGenStats

: #LARvsPHI on NBC
: Stream on #NFLPlus + Peacock

x.com

x.com

 

[Zow]

How many wins do you all think Saquon got the eagles this year? In other words, to borrow a baseball stat, wins above a replacement level player (Swift probably makes sense here).

Some friends and I are debating.

 

[rockaction]

How many wins do you all think Saquon got the eagles this year? In other words, to borrow a baseball stat, wins above a replacement level player (Swift probably makes sense here).

Some friends and I are debating.

No more than two. Christian McCaffrey led running backs in PFF’s WAR last year with .22 wins above replacement. Running backs just don’t move the meter, but I suspect Barkley has probably won two games. He’s had that good of a year.

 

[renesauz]

How many wins do you all think Saquon got the eagles this year? In other words, to borrow a baseball stat, wins above a replacement level player (Swift probably makes sense here).

Some friends and I are debating.

given that O line run blocking?
I'd say 2, maybe 3. Eagles would still be a strong playoff team

 

[Zow]

How many wins do you all think Saquon got the eagles this year? In other words, to borrow a baseball stat, wins above a replacement level player (Swift probably makes sense here).

Some friends and I are debating.

given that O line run blocking?
I'd say 2, maybe 3. Eagles would still be a strong playoff team

I said three. My friends who are eagles fans are saying 5-6 which seemed way too high to me.

 

[renesauz]

How many wins do you all think Saquon got the eagles this year? In other words, to borrow a baseball stat, wins above a replacement level player (Swift probably makes sense here).

Some friends and I are debating.

given that O line run blocking?
I'd say 2, maybe 3. Eagles would still be a strong playoff team

I said three. My friends who are eagles fans are saying 5-6 which seemed way too high to me.

me too. Gainwell has been pretty effective in his limited role, suggesting the O line deserves a ton of the credit. not suggesting a replacement level player sniffs 2K, but they would have used Gainwell more and passed a bit more

 

[zamboni]

How many wins do you all think Saquon got the eagles this year? In other words, to borrow a baseball stat, wins above a replacement level player (Swift probably makes sense here).

Some friends and I are debating.

given that O line run blocking?
I'd say 2, maybe 3. Eagles would still be a strong playoff team

I said three. My friends who are eagles fans are saying 5-6 which seemed way too high to me.

Yeah 5-6 seems way too high. They won 14 games a few years ago with Miles Sanders at RB, so much of the credit has to go to the line. All that said, they were run heavier this year than in years past, so Barkley still does have to get a fair amount of credit. To make a short story long, 2-3 sounds reasonable in the absence of corroborating data.

 

[rockaction]

How many wins do you all think Saquon got the eagles this year? In other words, to borrow a baseball stat, wins above a replacement level player (Swift probably makes sense here).

Some friends and I are debating.

given that O line run blocking?
I'd say 2, maybe 3. Eagles would still be a strong playoff team

I said three. My friends who are eagles fans are saying 5-6 which seemed way too high to me.

That’s way too high. Consider how good a year McCaffrey in 2023 and he was at .22. The top five were .15-.22. Running backs do not move the meter. Barkley is probably closer to one if you’re not just shooting the **** with your friends.

 

[Deamon]

How many wins do you all think Saquon got the eagles this year? In other words, to borrow a baseball stat, wins above a replacement level player (Swift probably makes sense here).

Some friends and I are debating.

given that O line run blocking?
I'd say 2, maybe 3. Eagles would still be a strong playoff team

I said three. My friends who are eagles fans are saying 5-6 which seemed way too high to me.

5-6 absolutely not. I'd say 2-3. 3-4 including today.

 

[Pickle Rody]

1, maybe 2, win(s) above replacement with Barkley. While highly skilled, he doesn't have the kind of year he has had without that massive line clearing the way.

 

[unckeyherb]

Well, we aren’t hosting the NFCCG next week if not for Barkley. So. I’ll take it.

 

[need2know]

STUD

 

[need2know]

Thanks giants

 

[Snotbubbles]

How many wins do you all think Saquon got the eagles this year? In other words, to borrow a baseball stat, wins above a replacement level player (Swift probably makes sense here).

Some friends and I are debating.

given that O line run blocking?
I'd say 2, maybe 3. Eagles would still be a strong playoff team

I said three. My friends who are eagles fans are saying 5-6 which seemed way too high to me.

They won 14 this year and 11 games last year with the 26th rank defense. So the answer would be 3 or less.

 

[GoBirds]

Thanks giants

I love this guy. Thanks NYG!

 

[Zow]

How many wins do you all think Saquon got the eagles this year? In other words, to borrow a baseball stat, wins above a replacement level player (Swift probably makes sense here).

Some friends and I are debating.

given that O line run blocking?
I'd say 2, maybe 3. Eagles would still be a strong playoff team

I said three. My friends who are eagles fans are saying 5-6 which seemed way too high to me.

Yeah 5-6 seems way too high. They won 14 games a few years ago with Miles Sanders at RB, so much of the credit has to go to the line. All that said, they were run heavier this year than in years past, so Barkley still does have to get a fair amount of credit. To make a short story long, 2-3 sounds reasonable in the absence of corroborating data.

Good deal. Now I get to tell them that I know more about their favorite team than they do.

 

[Alex P Keaton]

How many wins do you all think Saquon got the eagles this year? In other words, to borrow a baseball stat, wins above a replacement level player (Swift probably makes sense here).

Some friends and I are debating.

given that O line run blocking?
I'd say 2, maybe 3. Eagles would still be a strong playoff team

I said three. My friends who are eagles fans are saying 5-6 which seemed way too high to me.

That’s way too high. Consider how good a year McCaffrey in 2023 and he was at .22. The top five were .15-.22. Running backs do not move the meter. Barkley is probably closer to one if you’re not just shooting the **** with your friends.

I have serious doubts about how anyone effectively can estimate this number in football. It’s tough enough in basketball — football has way more variables and estimation/attribution error.

 

[rockaction]

How many wins do you all think Saquon got the eagles this year? In other words, to borrow a baseball stat, wins above a replacement level player (Swift probably makes sense here).

Some friends and I are debating.

given that O line run blocking?
I'd say 2, maybe 3. Eagles would still be a strong playoff team

I said three. My friends who are eagles fans are saying 5-6 which seemed way too high to me.

That’s way too high. Consider how good a year McCaffrey in 2023 and he was at .22. The top five were .15-.22. Running backs do not move the meter. Barkley is probably closer to one if you’re not just shooting the **** with your friends.

I have serious doubts about how anyone effectively can estimate this number in football. It’s tough enough in basketball — football has way more variables and estimation/attribution error.

I don’t disagree. I just saw Woz’s question and figured I’d research it (I know PFF does WAR) and give a detailed answer. Just for him, for some reason. No other reason nor point to prove.

 

[Alex P Keaton]

How many wins do you all think Saquon got the eagles this year? In other words, to borrow a baseball stat, wins above a replacement level player (Swift probably makes sense here).

Some friends and I are debating.

given that O line run blocking?
I'd say 2, maybe 3. Eagles would still be a strong playoff team

I said three. My friends who are eagles fans are saying 5-6 which seemed way too high to me.

That’s way too high. Consider how good a year McCaffrey in 2023 and he was at .22. The top five were .15-.22. Running backs do not move the meter. Barkley is probably closer to one if you’re not just shooting the **** with your friends.

I have serious doubts about how anyone effectively can estimate this number in football. It’s tough enough in basketball — football has way more variables and estimation/attribution error.

I don’t disagree. I just saw Woz’s question and figured I’d research it (I know PFF does WAR) and give a detailed answer. Just for him, for some reason. No other reason nor point to prove.

Yeah, I appreciate that you researched it. Honestly never even knew it was a thing in football before you shared it!!

 

[Faust]

Saquon Barkley 'chasing greatness' with 205-yard performance

 

[BassNBrew]

Should be joining Kupp and Cmac as MVPs, but once again some QB with decent but not spectacular numbers will get the award.

 

[TampaMike19]

Player profiler has Barkley charted with 26.3 EPA, number five in the NFL at the RB position. That’s about one game worth of points for for the eagles offense. So Saquon is worth 1.75 real life ppg to the team if that’s the math. That to me is 3-4 wins worth.

Derrick Henry has 58 EPA. But also 5 more touchdowns so I’m guessing that’s the delta.

Taking that into account, let’s equalize them. Barkley and Henry are worth 4 ppg then. Big difference versus replacement imo

 

[VikingFrog]

Player profiler has Barkley charted with 26.3 EPA, number five in the NFL at the RB position. That’s about one game worth of points for for the eagles offense. So Saquon is worth 1.75 real life ppg to the team if that’s the math. That to me is 3-4 wins worth.

Derrick Henry has 58 EPA. But also 5 more touchdowns so I’m guessing that’s the delta.

Taking that into account, let’s equalize them. Barkley and Henry are worth 4 ppg then. Big difference versus replacement imo

Not that it matters. But, Hurts plunging in all those 1 yard TDs probably skews that analytical number a bit.

 

[travdogg]

Should be joining Kupp and Cmac as MVPs, but once again some QB with decent but not spectacular numbers will get the award.

Lamar Jackson had the 4th best passer rating in NFL history this season and almost had 1000 rushing yards to boot. That wouldn't qualify as decent but not spectacular. His season was both more impressive and more valuable than Barkley's was.

Maybe Barkley could win Super Bowl MVP though?

 

[Terpman22]

Amazing that there are a lot of Giants fans that despise Barkley. I understand that he went to their hated rival, but he’s a pure class individual and it’s not his fault the Giants didn’t try very hard to retain him.

Fandom is weird like that.

I know that the Orioles had a terrible owner, but when Mike Mussina went to the Yankees, even though ya know, wasn't his fault really, hated him.

Reggie White though, never!

 

[Snotbubbles]

Amazing that there are a lot of Giants fans that despise Barkley. I understand that he went to their hated rival, but he’s a pure class individual and it’s not his fault the Giants didn’t try very hard to retain him.

Fandom is weird like that.

I know that the Orioles had a terrible owner, but when Mike Mussina went to the Yankees, even though ya know, wasn't his fault really, hated him.

Reggie White though, never!

Imagine Reggie White going to the Cowboys. Oh hell naw!

 

[Faust]

Bobby Wagner: Commanders must slow Saquon Barkley 'the whole game'

 

[Pickle Rody]

He probably goes over 150 yds today. Less than 30 carries. 1 long TD. Likely misses 200 yds near the end of the game when on another long run he sits down to run out the clock on a win.

The Eagles won't need him as much as usual due to game plan but, he'll put up relatively huge numbers anyway.

 

[JoeJoe88]

He probably goes over 150 yds today. Less than 30 carries. 1 long TD. Likely misses 200 yds near the end of the game when on another long run he sits down to run out the clock on a win.

The Eagles won't need him as much as usual due to game plan but, he'll put up relatively huge numbers anyway.

I think they are going to need him a whole lot as long as this passing game looks anemic.

 

[Uncle Leo]

I as a die hard Giant fan still find myself rooting for Saquon even though he plays for Philly. That tells you a lot about how much we loved him. Mara and Schoen have given us a burn that will never heal.

 

[zamboni]

Incredible player, maybe an even better teammate.