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RB Tarik Cohen, NYJ (1 Viewer)

Yeah this is pretty much the extent of the negativity. Two games in a row now posting better numbers than most RB2s. Two weeks in a row of 15+ targets+carries
I don't think its guys making themselves feel better.

no one had him the first week, and almost everyone had someone on their bench that scored as good or better than him this week is where its coming from. He has upside but I think  average days like yesterday are going to be the norm (and yesterday was a perfect storm for him to rack up junk points). 14 points is an decent to average day in PPR, not terrible, not great.

 
I don't think its guys making themselves feel better.

no one had him the first week, and almost everyone had someone on their bench that scored as good or better than him this week is where its coming from. He has upside but I think  average days like yesterday are going to be the norm (and yesterday was a perfect storm for him to rack up junk points). 14 points is an decent to average day in PPR, not terrible, not great.
I'd take 14 every week for my RB2/Flex position. If he scores a TD he goes into RB1 territory. Most RB2s don't score 14 unless they score a TD it seems 

 
It'd be fun to keep up with this on a week by week basis to see where your predictions stand. You're right, he is being featured in his own unique way... 62% doesn't look so bad right now. 

In order to reach 78 receptions, he needs to average 4.4 ROS. 4.4 ROS would be highly disappointing and a huge change in the way they use him in their game plan; I see him surpassing that unless he gets hurt. I think 90 is quite reasonable. 
Yes you are right.  And I also think his current 6.3 yards/catch will normalize to 7.0 which will inflate his receiving total.  Based on his efficiency in week 2 catching 8 out of 9 balls if he continues to grow he will have 90 catches or more.  PPR league his is already a high end RB2.

The TB Bucs are a good defense.  They destroyed Mike Glennon.  Against tough defenses, week 2 is his floor.  Against weaker defenses he will break some long ones.

 
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I'd take 14 every week for my RB2/Flex position. If he scores a TD he goes into RB1 territory. Most RB2s don't score 14 unless they score a TD it seems 

I am stunned at the negativity in this thread, I just assumed everyone would be happy seeing him have back to back good fantasy games.

Forget non-PPR or hybrid stuff, that is a different discussion and I don't play in those leagues. Let's unpack the fantasy scoring from this game that seems to have so many of you disappointed.

14.8 points is what he put up.  That is not better than most RB2's, that is better than ALL RB2's. Taking Cohen out of the equation the 12th best RB in PPR PPG is David Johnson at 15.1 points. 14.8 points would literally be the 13th best PPG PPR production this year.

For week 2 Cohen is currently the 13th best RB.

Last season 14.8 points would have placed Cohen at exactly RB13 in PPR per game.

So basically this guy just gave people the highest end RB2 numbers possible in every definition, without scoring a TD or making a big play, and people are disappointed??? And I'm not saying this directly to you Dr. Dan, just happened to be responding to your post.

He is literally a few yards rushing or receiving, or a single catch away from being a top 12 RB, did not need a TD to be a RB1 last week but if he had he'd have tied Melvin Gordon for 8th best RB for the week.

Put this another way the only RB's who had better fantasy days then Cohen yesterday without scoring a TD was James White and Hyde.

And people are disappointed? Tough crowd.

 
He got 12 for me this week. Good enough for RB22. Tied with Leveon, T Coleman, Jaquizz, and the like. I'm good with that for my 14th round pick.

And he outscored Gore. So that's all that matters.

 
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I am stunned at the negativity in this thread, I just assumed everyone would be happy seeing him have back to back good fantasy games.

Forget non-PPR or hybrid stuff, that is a different discussion and I don't play in those leagues. Let's unpack the fantasy scoring from this game that seems to have so many of you disappointed.

14.8 points is what he put up.  That is not better than most RB2's, that is better than ALL RB2's. Taking Cohen out of the equation the 12th best RB in PPR PPG is David Johnson at 15.1 points. 14.8 points would literally be the 13th best PPG PPR production this year.

For week 2 Cohen is currently the 13th best RB.

Last season 14.8 points would have placed Cohen at exactly RB13 in PPR per game.

So basically this guy just gave people the highest end RB2 numbers possible in every definition, without scoring a TD or making a big play, and people are disappointed??? And I'm not saying this directly to you Dr. Dan, just happened to be responding to your post.

He is literally a few yards rushing or receiving, or a single catch away from being a top 12 RB, did not need a TD to be a RB1 last week but if he had he'd have tied Melvin Gordon for 8th best RB for the week.

Put this another way the only RB's who had better fantasy days then Cohen yesterday without scoring a TD was James White and Hyde.

And people are disappointed? Tough crowd.
People who are disappointed very well may fall into a category of "missed out" or "just here to hate." I don't think there's a single owner, who started him, who is disappointed in that performance. For all the reasons you outlined above. I couldn't be happier for having the cojones to go "all in" on him. As I said in previous pages, I typically play conservative and my typical bid on someone like him would have lost out. At least now I can stomach TY Hilton putting up WW like numbers because Cohen can take his spot at flex 

 
I am stunned at the negativity in this thread, I just assumed everyone would be happy seeing him have back to back good fantasy games.

Forget non-PPR or hybrid stuff, that is a different discussion and I don't play in those leagues. Let's unpack the fantasy scoring from this game that seems to have so many of you disappointed.

14.8 points is what he put up.  That is not better than most RB2's, that is better than ALL RB2's. Taking Cohen out of the equation the 12th best RB in PPR PPG is David Johnson at 15.1 points. 14.8 points would literally be the 13th best PPG PPR production this year.

For week 2 Cohen is currently the 13th best RB.

Last season 14.8 points would have placed Cohen at exactly RB13 in PPR per game.

So basically this guy just gave people the highest end RB2 numbers possible in every definition, without scoring a TD or making a big play, and people are disappointed??? And I'm not saying this directly to you Dr. Dan, just happened to be responding to your post.

He is literally a few yards rushing or receiving, or a single catch away from being a top 12 RB, did not need a TD to be a RB1 last week but if he had he'd have tied Melvin Gordon for 8th best RB for the week.

Put this another way the only RB's who had better fantasy days then Cohen yesterday without scoring a TD was James White and Hyde.

And people are disappointed? Tough crowd.
It's why I put the metrics in here.  The Bears are using him all three downs.  I don't think it has registered yet.  I even broke down Howard's usage vs Cohen's.

 
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Benny Cunningham is still out for a while right?  Seems like Howard needs to skip a game or two (speculation on my part) as he has been worthless trying to fight through a shoulder injury.

Can see them bringing someone in?  For as much as I like Cohen I don't think anyone sees him as a 75% snap share workhorse.

 
Benny Cunningham is still out for a while right?  Seems like Howard needs to skip a game or two (speculation on my part) as he has been worthless trying to fight through a shoulder injury.

Can see them bringing someone in?  For as much as I like Cohen I don't think anyone sees him as a 75% snap share workhorse.
I think they bring in Langford, who was just released by the Ravens.  Not because of talent but because he knows the offense.  I think Cohen will start since he's game ready but split early downs with Langford.

 
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In FFPC scoring, he's the #5 RB over the first 2 weeks. He's been what I thought McCaffrey would be, without burning a top 4 pick on him. 

 
I think they bring in Langford, who was just released by the Ravens.  Not because of talent but because he knows the offense.  I think Cohen will start since he's game ready but split early downs with Langford.
Makes logical sense. 

I actually don't want to see Cohen carry the ball more than 5-6 times a games myself, the current usage is ideal.  Also as someone deeply invested in him and not all in Howard I'd like to see Howard return as soon as possible. I've always thought they make a nice pairing, I think it's a plus for Cohen having Howard eat up a lot of first and second downs and lull the defense into his pace.

 
In FFPC scoring, he's the #5 RB over the first 2 weeks. He's been what I thought McCaffrey would be, without burning a top 4 pick on him. 
On that note I have the McCaffery/Cohen pairing on a few FFPC teams and while I like McCaffery more in week 3, in my mind for ROS Cohen has passed him and I took McCaffery as high as round 2. This is more about being high on Cohen than down on McCaffery, but a little of that is for sure in play.

 
Makes logical sense. 

I actually don't want to see Cohen carry the ball more than 5-6 times a games myself, the current usage is ideal.  Also as someone deeply invested in him and not all in Howard I'd like to see Howard return as soon as possible. I've always thought they make a nice pairing, I think it's a plus for Cohen having Howard eat up a lot of first and second downs and lull the defense into his pace.
Totally agree with you.  It's much better to have Howard in there with Cohen.  I also don't want to see Cohen wear down.  But looking up his college usage he was an every down back.  In his 4 years at college he had a total of 868 carries.  That's 217 average carries per year.  I'm shocked by that given his size.

 
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It's why I put the metrics in here.  The Bears are using him all three downs.  I don't think it has registered yet.  I even broke down Howard's usage vs Cohen's.
To be fair, Howard's injury certainly played a part in how usage broke down yesterday. If/when he's healthy, I would expect Howard to get a bigger share.

 
Totally agree with you.  It's much better to have Howard in there with Cohen.  I also don't want to see Cohen wear down.  But looking up his college usage he was an every down back.  In his 4 years at college he had a total of 868 carries.  That's 217 average carries per year.  I'm shocked by that given his size.
Sproles had a similar number of carries in college. The size argument is a little tiresome.

 
One thing a lot Cohen owners are forgetting about is that the Bears signed Cunningham to catch balls out of the backfield too. When he comes back in a few weeks,Cohen will be losing targets and touches out of the backfield..  Cunningham would probably get 3 - 5  targets a game. That will bring Cohen value down. I'm going to try and trade Cohen(in the one league I own him) a week before Cunningham is expected to come back. Once others see Cunningham taking away targets and touches away when he's back,it will be a bit harder to trade Cohen.

 
One thing a lot Cohen owners are forgetting about is that the Bears signed Cunningham to catch balls out of the backfield too. When he comes back in a few weeks,Cohen will be losing targets and touches out of the backfield..  Cunningham would probably get 3 - 5  targets a game. That will bring Cohen value down. I'm going to try and trade Cohen(in the one league I own him) a week before Cunningham is expected to come back. Once others see Cunningham taking away targets and touches away when he's back,it will be a bit harder to trade Cohen.
It remains to be seen how Cunningham factors into their game plan. Yes, this is an area of concern and it could mean that Cohen owners could have an opportunity to sell high (which I may see if I can package him for Antonio Brown). But, you say this as if it is a foregone conclusion; it's anything but. One could argue that Cohen has proven to be the only spark they have on offense, whereas Cunningham has proven nothing. Cunningham could see nothing and be backup to that role in case Cohen gets hurt. 

 
Why would a rebuilding team want to use an RB who got a total of 42 targets the past two years with the Rams over Cohen?

 
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To be fair, Howard's injury certainly played a part in how usage broke down yesterday. If/when he's healthy, I would expect Howard to get a bigger share.


To also be fair, he only got 2 more carries with Howard hurt (7 vs 5)
I'm also learning that there can be a difference between the RB who gets the most carries or plays the most snaps versus a RB who is more of the feature RB on the team or centerpiece of the offensive game plan. In week one Howard got more snaps and touches but the offense seemed, to me anyway, to feature Cohen more or put another way he was more central to the entire makeup of the offensive game plan that day then Howard and any RB/WR or TE on the Bears. That was when Howard was healthy.

 
Why would a rebuilding team want to use an RB who got a total of 42 targets the past two years with the Rams over Cohen?
Seriously, if you're sitting there fretting over Bennie Cunningham, then fantasy football isn't the hobby for you.

Man, this place really attracts the drama queens! Haha!

 
Seriously, if you're sitting there fretting over Bennie Cunningham, then fantasy football isn't the hobby for you.

Man, this place really attracts the drama queens! Haha!
It's as if some people would only be happy if the RB or WR they own were the only one rostered for their NFL team...anything else turns into "too many mouths to feed" to some...

 
Why would a rebuilding team want to use an RB who got a total of 42 targets the past two years with the Rams over Cohen?
Or to put it another way, if Cohen can't beat out a journeyman like BC for touches, he's not nearly as good as we all think.

 
It's as if some people would only be happy if the RB or WR they own were the only one rostered for their NFL team...anything else turns into "too many mouths to feed" to some...
Yeah this is what the forums have turned into. 

I've missed on a few guys (Hunt, Cook to name 2), but instead of going into those threads trying to be the wet blanket, over-reacting to any type of negative that I can find I say "hey guys, I missed out on this one, you all got a good find, congrats" 

Of course people are going to cheer against the guys they don't have on their team, because it means their team may fair better over the course of the season. It's just kind of dumb to go into a thread and try to convince yourself that the particular player is no good or is going to flop. Their arguments are so poor, it's obvious that's all their trying to do. 

 

 
Benny Cunningham is still out for a while right?  Seems like Howard needs to skip a game or two (speculation on my part) as he has been worthless trying to fight through a shoulder injury.

Can see them bringing someone in?  For as much as I like Cohen I don't think anyone sees him as a 75% snap share workhorse.
Langford was released by Baltimore and knows the system - I can see him being brought back.

 
Nice stones on the starts well done guys.  Looking at the guys near him on the Top 200 forward.  He has already vaulted to near RB2 status in PPR and although we are probably talking our book a bit, I am not sure how many of the 6-8 guys listed ahead of him I'd rather have?  Riddick?  West?  Powell?  Ehh.

This feels like a buy high situation.  In other words, which way do you think his stock goes this weekend?  I know which way I am leaning and acting accordingly.
Up to RB 15 on the PPR Top 200 Fwd.  Rock solid RB2.

:thumbup:

 
The same people who are poo-pooing Cohen now probably slobber all over Theo Riddick.
Can't speak for anyone else, but I own both in a non-PPR league, and I view them very similarly: high floor, low ceiling guys (Cohen's ceiling slightly higher because he has the ability to break off big plays).

So does that mean I'm "poo-pooing" Cohen if I see the best case for him as being an RB2? My plan going into my draft was to get one stud RB early, then fill in with a bunch of CoP guys (Woodhead, Riddick, Burkhead). Unfortunately, the "stud" was DeMarco, so now I may be starting what I view as two RB2s (Cohen/Riddick) until/unless Murray turns it around.

 
You should feel lucky.  He went for 72, 77, and 83% in my money PPR leagues.   And there were multiple bids listed above 60% in all three that lost out.   I am not bummed I have a bunch of FA money left, I just don't see regret missing out here but I could be wrong.
I don't feel lucky. Sitting CJ cost me the week. #4Headslap. 

 
Unless the Steelers defense has improved this year, Cohen is exactly the type of guy that could carve them up. I'm rolling with him again this week.

 
If Cohen was 2 inches taller and 15 lbs heavier people would be falling all over him. The guy can play football. Don't over think it.

 
Thought abt benching him for Carson at my RB2 spot but I'm going to roll with him again. His floor is much better and I could see a long TD this week

 
Unless the Steelers defense has improved this year, Cohen is exactly the type of guy that could carve them up. I'm rolling with him again this week.
They have improved - but depending on health of LB's (TJ Watt specifically and Bud Dupree), there could be some trouble there

 
Unless the Steelers defense has improved this year, Cohen is exactly the type of guy that could carve them up. I'm rolling with him again this week.
The Steelers D is actually pretty good this year. I wouldn't count on the Bears offense having a good day. And if Shazier shadows Cohen this thread might be quiet next week, or hopping for the wrong reasons.

 
Cohen is fun to watch because if you are watching a Bears game on a tv then chances are when you look up he may be getting the ball, but the dearth of WRs also causes a problem because it's hard for the offense to move or get scoring opportunities. If the offense becomes all him then defenses will also become all about him. The regression from almost beating Atlanta to getting flattened by TB is not good for anyone.

 
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Sure but Duke Johnson didn't do much. I'm not saying bench Cohen, as was said further up it's automatic he gets passes right now. But TB was a buzzsaw and PIT may be too.
Yes, agree. I view the steelers as one of the top 3 defenses in the league. Maybe that's over-estimating, but they have done a great job so far this season. I see this being a blood bath for Chicago, but they will presumably have to throw a lot, which benefits Cohen. 

 
Good to know. Wasn't trying to be snarky, just pointing out that (from what I knew) the steelers had trouble against a worse team. 
No worries - while Steelers typically have a propensity to play to the level of their competition, I worry about CHI's running game since the defense is playing MUCH better than it has in past years. With the dearth of talent available at WR for CHI, Cohen could definitely be a beneficiary.

If Steelers are without Watt or have Dupree at less than 100%, and they get Cohen in space and matched up against LB's not named Ryan Shazier (who has a history of sometimes missing tackles), it could spell trouble for PIT, but a good day for Cohen. 

What I suspect will happen is that PIT gets up big early and Cohen has a nice garbage time game. This is not a good matchup for Jordan Howard with Steelers D-Line (even without Tuitt) dominating the LOS in the early part of the season. Beating the Steelers will involve a shiftier RB who can move East/West very well and operates good in space, which Cohen seems to excel at. Here's the biggest play from MIN last week on a long run by Dalvin Cook where he moves the ball to the outside after initial finding no space up the middle.

 
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Unless the Steelers defense has improved this year, Cohen is exactly the type of guy that could carve them up. I'm rolling with him again this week.
I'm having a hard time choosing between Cohen, Hyde and gillislee.  I think Hyde can do well against the Rams and I like watching with something to cheer for, and the Texans don't really scare me in New England. Probably roll with Cohen over Gill but it's not an easy choice. Really wish I could start 3, over Decker ?

 

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