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RB Tony Pollard, TEN (3 Viewers)

Currently ranks 13th in the NFL in rushing yards. Only 2 guys above him make more money than him this year (CMC/Henry). This is why you just don't pay running backs like its 1995.
 
DocHolliday said:
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STEADYMOBBIN 22 said:
LawFitz said:
DocHolliday said:
He isn’t a bruiser, Why use him that way?
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Because running the football effectively as a team includes between the tackles. Seems the Cowboys and the fantasy community crowned his *** as an every down RB before they ever got to see him as an every down RB. Pretty common error IMO.
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This. That’s why every down backs are so magical. Because they can do it all and never come off the field, defenses have a far more difficult time diagnosing a play.

Everyone says to have all these backs who different things but I f you only run Pollard outside and bring in another guy to run between the tackles defenses will know what’s coming.

This is a VERY simple game. People (coaches, fans, front offices,) all try and re-invent the wheel.
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How are fans rev-inventing anything? What the Cowboys did last year worked perfectly fine for Pollard. Do that. Use Dowdle, or get Fournette off the couch, to play last year's 3.8 ypc Zeke and use Pollard like 2022 Pollard. I'm pretty sure fans would be fine with that.
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In a round-about way many of us are saying the same thing. Pollard is not a bruising RB and should be used a little differently. He must have runs called between the tackles to keep defenses honest but Dallas is calling those plays too often. Where are the outside runs? Where are the screens? Pollards biggest play last night was the catch in space but that was a broken play.

I expect Polkards runs to be up the gut and assume defenses expect that as well. Those types of runs should be unexpected.
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Yep. Zero creativity. Round peg in square hole offense. If Dallas wants Pollard to be the lead back they need to adjust the offense to his strengths. Maybe put on some tape on how Miami uses Mostert. He starts a lot of games running outside, catching screens and then that opens up the middle later in games. Watch week 2 Mostert vs. NE and compare that to how they ran Pollard last night. I mean, not every Mostert run was outside, but 10 out of 18 were, and the outside runs set up effective inside runs later in the game.

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agree with all of the comments about play calling and his usage, he's not that guy who can be successful running between the tackles so he's not an every down back.

but from fantasy i have no issues with how he's being used. using last night as an example, he had two decents runs of 6+ yds each called back by penalties, the pass play down the right side would've been a TD with a half decent QB, and they've been putting Dowdle in the game in the redzone most games for the up the middle type runs anyway. it's close to in line with what I would have expected and when Dak finds his groove it'll get even better imo.

I realize he was getting drafted as a RB1, so from that expectation he is falling short. RB15 in non-PPR so far this season after week 6.
 
What does everyone think of this guy half way through the season? I'm an owner in dynasty and thinking about shipping him. I don't get the sense that he's an 'own the backfield' kind of guy for more than this season
 
kface said:
What does everyone think of this guy half way through the season? I'm an owner in dynasty and thinking about shipping him. I don't get the sense that he's an 'own the backfield' kind of guy for more than this season
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I have him in my deep keeper league and don't expect him to be a valuable fantasy asset beyond this year unless he really balls out the rest of the way. I doubt he'll get another big contract next year in a shrinking RB market and may find himself as the 1A or 1B in an RBBC next year.
 
zamboni said:
kface said:
What does everyone think of this guy half way through the season? I'm an owner in dynasty and thinking about shipping him. I don't get the sense that he's an 'own the backfield' kind of guy for more than this season
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I have him in my deep keeper league and don't expect him to be a valuable fantasy asset beyond this year unless he really balls out the rest of the way. I doubt he'll get another big contract next year in a shrinking RB market and may find himself as the 1A or 1B in an RBBC next year.
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This is where i lean as well. Thanks for the thoughts. He just doesn't feel like a 1a guy and he can probably thrive as 1b in the right situation but next year will year 5 so he's on the back end of being a rb in this league honestly
 
kface said:
zamboni said:
kface said:
What does everyone think of this guy half way through the season? I'm an owner in dynasty and thinking about shipping him. I don't get the sense that he's an 'own the backfield' kind of guy for more than this season
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I have him in my deep keeper league and don't expect him to be a valuable fantasy asset beyond this year unless he really balls out the rest of the way. I doubt he'll get another big contract next year in a shrinking RB market and may find himself as the 1A or 1B in an RBBC next year.
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This is where i lean as well. Thanks for the thoughts. He just doesn't feel like a 1a guy and he can probably thrive as 1b in the right situation but next year will year 5 so he's on the back end of being a rb in this league honestly
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I think he's talented enough without a ton of mileage to hang on for several more years as a committee member, but only until his elite burst is gone - and it may have already based on the way he's running.
 
Part of the problem is knucklehead mccarthy keeps trying to run him between the tackles - which he's not built for

and he's on pace for 344 touches and he's not built for that either

I would move him and still ask for a high price
 
The Dude said:
Part of the problem is knucklehead mccarthy keeps trying to run him between the tackles - which he's not built for

and he's on pace for 344 touches and he's not built for that either

I would move him and still ask for a high price
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Someone said they would give me a 1st and Ridder (more of a roster balancing throw in)
 
This Next Gen chart of Pollard's week 6 runs is hilarious.

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Gotta keep the defense honest! lol.
 
How are Pollard owners feeling? Holding firm or looking to cut losses?

I'm trying to ditch Mostert and other to see if I can secure him, but after looking at his game log I see a lot of meh.

Doesn't seem like they're using him out of the backfield as much this year either.
 
I’d buy here. Cowboys have had a series of outliers regarding game scripts and an over abundance of blowouts and defensive touchdowns. This will regress, starting this week, as I expect an uptick in useage and an expanded running tree that trends towards outside runs and passes designed to get Pollard out in space.
 
Ack88 said:
I’d buy here. Cowboys have had a series of outliers regarding game scripts and an over abundance of blowouts and defensive touchdowns. This will regress, starting this week, as I expect an uptick in useage and an expanded running tree that trends towards outside runs and passes designed to get Pollard out in space.
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After this week's tough matchup @PHI, schedule seems to open up a bit until DAL runs into PHI again in week 14. Playoff matchups not too bad either - @BUF, @MIA, DET (not great).

Have to think this is the low point for Pollard's value in redraft.
 
kyoun1e said:
Ack88 said:
I’d buy here. Cowboys have had a series of outliers regarding game scripts and an over abundance of blowouts and defensive touchdowns. This will regress, starting this week, as I expect an uptick in useage and an expanded running tree that trends towards outside runs and passes designed to get Pollard out in space.
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After this week's tough matchup @PHI, schedule seems to open up a bit until DAL runs into PHI again in week 14. Playoff matchups not too bad either - @BUF, @MIA, DET (not great).

Have to think this is the low point for Pollard's value in redraft.
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i posted something similar in another thread. if his numbers are subpar when we get to that second Philly game, then I'll concede he wasn't the guy. otherwise, i think he'll be good to great top 10 candidate between the two philly games.
 
Pigskin Fanatic said:
kyoun1e said:
Ack88 said:
I’d buy here. Cowboys have had a series of outliers regarding game scripts and an over abundance of blowouts and defensive touchdowns. This will regress, starting this week, as I expect an uptick in useage and an expanded running tree that trends towards outside runs and passes designed to get Pollard out in space.
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After this week's tough matchup @PHI, schedule seems to open up a bit until DAL runs into PHI again in week 14. Playoff matchups not too bad either - @BUF, @MIA, DET (not great).

Have to think this is the low point for Pollard's value in redraft.
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i posted something similar in another thread. if his numbers are subpar when we get to that second Philly game, then I'll concede he wasn't the guy. otherwise, i think he'll be good to great top 10 candidate between the two philly games.
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NYG, @CAR, WASH, SEA. Only SEA seems semi tough and that's at home.

He had a couple of duds vs PHI last year.
 
Wow. Pollard hasn't had a rushing TD since the first game of the season???

Gotta think some positive regression is coming.
 
kyoun1e said:
How are Pollard owners feeling? Holding firm or looking to cut losses?

I'm trying to ditch Mostert and other to see if I can secure him, but after looking at his game log I see a lot of meh.

Doesn't seem like they're using him out of the backfield as much this year either.
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I would sell if I could. He has done so little and I don’t know what he’s worth.
 
If you were to trade what RB would you target? Assuming trade down and get a rb plus player in return. Swift? Hennry?
 
The Dallas coaches are morons by using him just running between tackles and not getting him in open space. How many more weeks before they wake the hell up?
 
Bad_Mo2 said:
The Dallas coaches are morons by using him just running between tackles and not getting him in open space. How many more weeks before they wake the hell up?
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Have you tried calling them? I mean, this "getting in open space" thing seems like an excellent concept. I would tell the coaches myself, but I don't want to take credit for your great idea.
 
satch said:
The Dude said:
If you were to trade what RB would you target? Assuming trade down and get a rb plus player in return. Swift? Hennry?
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I think you’re aiming way too high tbh. You’d be lucky to get Swift or Henry straight up.
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As a fellow Pollard owner - I am as frustrated with the situation as any, his inefficiency combined with zero effort to get him outside the tackles is shocking. However, I don't think he's a sell - you aren't getting Swift or Henry straight up because Pollard has been so bad, after this week he has NYG, CAR, WSH - he should bounce back over this stretch and I think you sell him then. Selling him now after a dud going into Philly is not going to get you what you may get after 3 good weeks in a row.
 
MCFootball123 said:
satch said:
The Dude said:
If you were to trade what RB would you target? Assuming trade down and get a rb plus player in return. Swift? Hennry?
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I think you’re aiming way too high tbh. You’d be lucky to get Swift or Henry straight up.
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As a fellow Pollard owner - I am as frustrated with the situation as any, his inefficiency combined with zero effort to get him outside the tackles is shocking. However, I don't think he's a sell - you aren't getting Swift or Henry straight up because Pollard has been so bad, after this week he has NYG, CAR, WSH - he should bounce back over this stretch and I think you sell him then. Selling him now after a dud going into Philly is not going to get you what you may get after 3 good weeks in a row.
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That’s a sound plan, providing Pollard comes through over the next few weeks. Conversely, if Pollard continues to struggle you’ll be stuck with an unstartable, untradeable, undroppable, roster clogger.

Having just traded Pollard in the two leagues I had him, I’m comfortable with the return. While you may be able to get more in a few weeks, I happen to believe Pollard will continue to disappoint. As such, I cashed out to owners who see a brighter future for Pollard.

In situations like this, I think multi-player deals provide the best return. It’s easier to be enamored with a player’s upside when they aren’t the focal point of the deal. The risk feels, and perhaps is, lower. For example, find a QB needy team and offer them a starting QB plus Pollard for Swift or Henry, etc. They’ll likely consider Swift/Henry to Pollard a downgrade, but the potential bounce back plus a starting QB is palatable.
 
LittlePhatty said:
Bad_Mo2 said:
The Dallas coaches are morons by using him just running between tackles and not getting him in open space. How many more weeks before they wake the hell up?
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Have you tried calling them? I mean, this "getting in open space" thing seems like an excellent concept. I would tell the coaches myself, but I don't want to take credit for your great idea.
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Will mention during the weekly conference call.
 
Seems like either he's not the guy we (or the Cowboys) thought he was, the play calling isn't using his skill set well, there are longer lasting implications from his broken leg, or some combination of the three. It certainly isn't overuse that is reducing his effectiveness, as these are his touch totals this year:

16, 32, 26, 14, 12, 21, 13, 15.

The team has obviously relied a lot more on Dak/Ceedee and less on Pollard as the season has progressed.

If he can't get it done next week at home against the hapless Giants, it's truly a lost season for him as a valuable fantasy asset.
 
zamboni said:
Seems like either he's not the guy we (or the Cowboys) thought he was, the play calling isn't using his skill set well, there are longer lasting implications from his broken leg, or some combination of the three. It certainly isn't overuse that is reducing his effectiveness, as these are his touch totals this year:

16, 32, 26, 14, 12, 21, 13, 15.

The team has obviously relied a lot more on Dak/Ceedee and less on Pollard as the season has progressed.

If he can't get it done next week at home against the hapless Giants, it's truly a lost season for him as a valuable fantasy asset.
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Last year he was so explosive. This year he looks slow. It's not like the Cowboys are overusing him. A lot of his runs were up the middle though. I commented in the game thread that if they keep using him like that it's going to be a long day for him running. I don't know, I'd try and scheme him into open space more.
 
Snotbubbles said:
zamboni said:
Seems like either he's not the guy we (or the Cowboys) thought he was, the play calling isn't using his skill set well, there are longer lasting implications from his broken leg, or some combination of the three. It certainly isn't overuse that is reducing his effectiveness, as these are his touch totals this year:

16, 32, 26, 14, 12, 21, 13, 15.

The team has obviously relied a lot more on Dak/Ceedee and less on Pollard as the season has progressed.

If he can't get it done next week at home against the hapless Giants, it's truly a lost season for him as a valuable fantasy asset.
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Last year he was so explosive. This year he looks slow. It's not like the Cowboys are overusing him. A lot of his runs were up the middle though. I commented in the game thread that if they keep using him like that it's going to be a long day for him running. I don't know, I'd try and scheme him into open space more.
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For sure - last year he was statistically among the most explosive RBs, now he's among the least explosive. It's baffling.
 
Stat Correction said:
zamboni said:
Deamon said:
zamboni said:
Can’t think of too many bigger disappointments this year relative to ADP. Injuries excluded of course.
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Bijan?
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He’s there too.
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I drafted both from the 9 hole in a 12 man redraft!

Thought I'd stole them both and would be golden....
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I drafted both from the 9 hole in a ten teamer and went into the season pretty confident. Now, I am just grinding through a mediocre season with little hope of making the playoffs.
 
Drafted from the 12 hole and went Saquon and Pollard. Early season, that looked good. Now they’re both underproducing and I have crap at WR. About to drop out of the top 3.
 
Maybe the true bust of the year... bijan may be worse but I blame that more on coaching, Pollard is just cooked and underperforming in his opportunity
 
zamboni said:
Snotbubbles said:
zamboni said:
Seems like either he's not the guy we (or the Cowboys) thought he was, the play calling isn't using his skill set well, there are longer lasting implications from his broken leg, or some combination of the three. It certainly isn't overuse that is reducing his effectiveness, as these are his touch totals this year:

16, 32, 26, 14, 12, 21, 13, 15.

The team has obviously relied a lot more on Dak/Ceedee and less on Pollard as the season has progressed.

If he can't get it done next week at home against the hapless Giants, it's truly a lost season for him as a valuable fantasy asset.
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Last year he was so explosive. This year he looks slow. It's not like the Cowboys are overusing him. A lot of his runs were up the middle though. I commented in the game thread that if they keep using him like that it's going to be a long day for him running. I don't know, I'd try and scheme him into open space more.
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For sure - last year he was statistically among the most explosive RBs, now he's among the least explosive. It's baffling.
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Could it be injury he sustained late last year?
 
Balco said:
zamboni said:
Snotbubbles said:
zamboni said:
Seems like either he's not the guy we (or the Cowboys) thought he was, the play calling isn't using his skill set well, there are longer lasting implications from his broken leg, or some combination of the three. It certainly isn't overuse that is reducing his effectiveness, as these are his touch totals this year:

16, 32, 26, 14, 12, 21, 13, 15.

The team has obviously relied a lot more on Dak/Ceedee and less on Pollard as the season has progressed.

If he can't get it done next week at home against the hapless Giants, it's truly a lost season for him as a valuable fantasy asset.
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Last year he was so explosive. This year he looks slow. It's not like the Cowboys are overusing him. A lot of his runs were up the middle though. I commented in the game thread that if they keep using him like that it's going to be a long day for him running. I don't know, I'd try and scheme him into open space more.
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For sure - last year he was statistically among the most explosive RBs, now he's among the least explosive. It's baffling.
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Could it be injury he sustained late last year?
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That was point 3 I noted above - hard to know what the real deal is, but the bottom line is he's killing many teams that have been relying on him.
 
Balco said:
zamboni said:
Snotbubbles said:
zamboni said:
Seems like either he's not the guy we (or the Cowboys) thought he was, the play calling isn't using his skill set well, there are longer lasting implications from his broken leg, or some combination of the three. It certainly isn't overuse that is reducing his effectiveness, as these are his touch totals this year:

16, 32, 26, 14, 12, 21, 13, 15.

The team has obviously relied a lot more on Dak/Ceedee and less on Pollard as the season has progressed.

If he can't get it done next week at home against the hapless Giants, it's truly a lost season for him as a valuable fantasy asset.
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Last year he was so explosive. This year he looks slow. It's not like the Cowboys are overusing him. A lot of his runs were up the middle though. I commented in the game thread that if they keep using him like that it's going to be a long day for him running. I don't know, I'd try and scheme him into open space more.
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For sure - last year he was statistically among the most explosive RBs, now he's among the least explosive. It's baffling.
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Could it be injury he sustained late last year?
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Supposedly he "looked great in camp"... Dallas didn't add anyone... yesterday was very troubling, you can see they are looking to really lighten his load now and he is not seen as the least bit of a weapon in the 2 minute drill
 
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