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RB TreVeyon Henderson, NE (1 Viewer)

Feels like a redraft sell high.

In a 10 team (lol I know) ppr league I have Taylor Gibbs Chase brown Henderson and could really use a starting WR.

I’d love to hear any straight up trades people have seen.
Redraft sent him and Juwan Johnson (was a Ferguson bye week replacement) for Diggs.

Feels a little light but I am desperate at WR w just tmac, Odunze, pierce, McLaurin, and godwin, and didn’t want to have to flip a coin between Henderson and Chase Brown every week. Good luck to those of you holding him - I hope he keeps it up!
 
Stevenson is expected to play this week per Jeremy Fowler. Thanks for the two memorable weeks, TreVeyon!
Henderson isn't gonna get 80% of the work with Stevenson back, but I wouldn't just assume Henderson goes back to the bench.
 
Mike Vrabel on running back usage:

“TreVeyon’s helped us, Rhamondre’s helped us, Terrell’s helped us… We’ll try to have them all help us. But, it’s been good to see TreVeyon continue to run hard and take care of the football.”
 
Downgrade his touches. Let's hope his piece of the pie is 15 carries and 4 receptions. He gives a dynamic to that offense that no other rb can give. Gonna be interesting.
 
Mike Vrabel on running back usage:

“TreVeyon’s helped us, Rhamondre’s helped us, Terrell’s helped us… We’ll try to have them all help us. But, it’s been good to see TreVeyon continue to run hard and take care of the football.”

In other words:

“I haven’t noticed Rhamondre fumble all season”
 
Downgrade his touches. Let's hope his piece of the pie is 15 carries and 4 receptions. He gives a dynamic to that offense that no other rb can give. Gonna be interesting.
He averaged 19 touches the last 3 games while Stevenson was out, so you think we should downgrade his projections to………….

19 touches?🤯
 
Downgrade his touches. Let's hope his piece of the pie is 15 carries and 4 receptions. He gives a dynamic to that offense that no other rb can give. Gonna be interesting.
He averaged 19 touches the last 3 games while Stevenson was out, so you think we should downgrade his projections to………….

19 touches?🤯
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, just hope for the best for Henderson with Stevenson healthy. I hope Stevenson fumbles his first carry, but I’m a realist and understand Henderson’s workload will probably decrease. Why fret over it? It will be what it will be. I’m tired of yelling at Vrabel and McDaniels.
 
Downgrade his touches. Let's hope his piece of the pie is 15 carries and 4 receptions. He gives a dynamic to that offense that no other rb can give. Gonna be interesting.
He averaged 19 touches the last 3 games while Stevenson was out, so you think we should downgrade his projections to………….

19 touches?🤯
Ya. I made a mistake. I meant 15 TOTAL touches. If that means he needs 4 receptions to get 15 I'm happy with that. Last week he had 24 total touches. I felt he was really trending up to be where they give him 20 touches a game. Stevenson is gonna eat into that. I'm just hopeful he still can be at 15 touches. That's my point. I think. Ha ha
 
Mike Vrabel on running back usage:

“TreVeyon’s helped us, Rhamondre’s helped us, Terrell’s helped us… We’ll try to have them all help us. But, it’s been good to see TreVeyon continue to run hard and take care of the football.”
Nice to see a definite statement on usage moving forward
 
After the last 2 weeks... it would be really hard for me not to keep feeding him... but I'm not Coach Vrabel.

Pats' offense seems a bit more electric with Hendo as the feature back.
 
My opinion, maybe wishful thinking, but I think Henderson starts to edge away in touches. Maybe 10-12 carries and 4-6 targets this week and then a slight uptick week over week going forward.
 
Also import is where on the field Henderson gets his touches. Will they all be between the 20s with Stevenson getting red zone/goal line preference? Splitting touches with no red zone hurts.
Strictly guessing but I’d anticipate Henderson gets the start with Stevenson alternating drives with him. So something like Henderson getting the opening drive, then Stevenson getting the next drive with Henderson coming in on 3rd and long situations. If Henderson is the catalyst for the offense getting to the red zone I see him getting rewarded with a score opportunity. If Maye and the passing game get it down the field I could see Stevenson being put in for a goal line opportunity to get him involved. Trying to predict what Vrabel might see as fair for his guys, which is probably a futile exercise on my part. I’d still say 60/40 Henderson. Jennings I only see being used in garbage time.
 
I just dropped Stevenson. I’m sitting pretty good at RB and need to bolster my team at other positions.

Hopefully don’t regret it…
 
I just dropped Stevenson. I’m sitting pretty good at RB and need to bolster my team at other positions.

Hopefully don’t regret it…
I just learned this lesson this week. I too thought I was pretty solid at rb. Sunday morning I took a gamble to bolster another position by dropping Wilson on GB hoping tough guy Jacobs would make it to the end. Not only did he leave the game injured, so did my Jaylen Warren. BOOM!!!
 
It's happening! If not stuffed at GL would have been a really good week - still the touches and focal point of the O makes it a great week anyway
 
It's happening! If not stuffed at GL would have been a really good week - still the touches and focal point of the O makes it a great week anyway
Stevenson got less than I thought he would to be honest.
Not to be a wet blanket, but I do wonder if that was Stevenson being eased in, and his workload is bigger next week. Also of note in general, NE lost their LT and LG yesterday, and neither looks particularly likely to play next week, especially with a week 14 bye.
 
It's happening! If not stuffed at GL would have been a really good week - still the touches and focal point of the O makes it a great week anyway
Stevenson got less than I thought he would to be honest.
Not to be a wet blanket, but I do wonder if that was Stevenson being eased in, and his workload is bigger next week. Also of note in general, NE lost their LT and LG yesterday, and neither looks particularly likely to play next week, especially with a week 14 bye.
Losing those offensive lineman is all the more reason to use the more explosive RB, isn't it? As for whether this was an easing in game for Stevenson, I suppose you could come up with almost any angle to justify anything. I'll just go with what I see on Sunday.
 
It's happening! If not stuffed at GL would have been a really good week - still the touches and focal point of the O makes it a great week anyway
Stevenson got less than I thought he would to be honest.
Not to be a wet blanket, but I do wonder if that was Stevenson being eased in, and his workload is bigger next week. Also of note in general, NE lost their LT and LG yesterday, and neither looks particularly likely to play next week, especially with a week 14 bye.
I could definitely see Stevenson getting worked in a bit more - especially the GL - was shocked they even gave the 3rd string RB a GL carry....but Im confident at least that it wont go back to being sprinkled in - i see this as at least a 60/40 backfield which is all you can ask for....with that O hes going to be very valuable
 
Wasn’t good at all in pass pro tonight
Yeah, he woofed on a block where it didn't appear as if he 'missed' the block due to assignment more so very poor effort. Not a good look and not the way to show the coaches you are worthy of handling a majority of the touches in the backfield.

Are we starting this guy in the playoffs? Seems a bit risky with limited ceiling now with Stevenson back.
 
Wasn’t good at all in pass pro tonight
Yeah, he woofed on a block where it didn't appear as if he 'missed' the block due to assignment more so very poor effort. Not a good look and not the way to show the coaches you are worthy of handling a majority of the touches in the backfield.

Are we starting this guy in the playoffs? Seems a bit risky with limited ceiling now with Stevenson back.
To continue with Vrabel's "Gibbs" comp (rookie season)... I think you can expect 10-12 touches/game ROS. Only way he's getting full workload is another injury to Stevenson.
 
Wasn’t good at all in pass pro tonight
Yeah, he woofed on a block where it didn't appear as if he 'missed' the block due to assignment more so very poor effort. Not a good look and not the way to show the coaches you are worthy of handling a majority of the touches in the backfield.

Are we starting this guy in the playoffs? Seems a bit risky with limited ceiling now with Stevenson back.
To continue with Vrabel's "Gibbs" comp (rookie season)... I think you can expect 10-12 touches/game ROS. Only way he's getting full workload is another injury to Stevenson.
The last sentence would be a mistake, but oh well, Vrabel and McDaniels knows more than I do. They can die on that hill for all I care.
 
Wasn’t good at all in pass pro tonight
Yeah, he woofed on a block where it didn't appear as if he 'missed' the block due to assignment more so very poor effort. Not a good look and not the way to show the coaches you are worthy of handling a majority of the touches in the backfield.

Are we starting this guy in the playoffs? Seems a bit risky with limited ceiling now with Stevenson back.
To continue with Vrabel's "Gibbs" comp (rookie season)... I think you can expect 10-12 touches/game ROS. Only way he's getting full workload is another injury to Stevenson.
The last sentence would be a mistake, but oh well, Vrabel and McDaniels knows more than I do. They can die on that hill for all I care.
Thinking back... were we having similar discussions when Vrabel was coaching in TEN and had a rookie RB named Derrick Henry? :ponder:
 
Wasn’t good at all in pass pro tonight
Yeah, he woofed on a block where it didn't appear as if he 'missed' the block due to assignment more so very poor effort. Not a good look and not the way to show the coaches you are worthy of handling a majority of the touches in the backfield.

Are we starting this guy in the playoffs? Seems a bit risky with limited ceiling now with Stevenson back.
To continue with Vrabel's "Gibbs" comp (rookie season)... I think you can expect 10-12 touches/game ROS. Only way he's getting full workload is another injury to Stevenson.
The last sentence would be a mistake, but oh well, Vrabel and McDaniels knows more than I do. They can die on that hill for all I care.
Thinking back... were we having similar discussions when Vrabel was coaching in TEN and had a rookie RB named Derrick Henry? :ponder:
Probably
 
Wasn’t good at all in pass pro tonight
Yeah, he woofed on a block where it didn't appear as if he 'missed' the block due to assignment more so very poor effort. Not a good look and not the way to show the coaches you are worthy of handling a majority of the touches in the backfield.

Are we starting this guy in the playoffs? Seems a bit risky with limited ceiling now with Stevenson back.
To continue with Vrabel's "Gibbs" comp (rookie season)... I think you can expect 10-12 touches/game ROS. Only way he's getting full workload is another injury to Stevenson.
The last sentence would be a mistake, but oh well, Vrabel and McDaniels knows more than I do. They can die on that hill for all I care.
Thinking back... were we having similar discussions when Vrabel was coaching in TEN and had a rookie RB named Derrick Henry? :ponder:
This is a common misconception for some reason. Henry had Mularkey as his HC for his first two seasons, Vrabel didn’t come on until Henry’s third season in 2018. But to your point, Vrabel had Henry splitting carries with Dion Lewis for most of that season and was slow to give Henry the bellcow role. It wasn’t until Week 14 that Henry broke out and got the lion’s share from that point on.
 
Watching the other night, there were a few times he looked lost. Didn't know where to lineup or who he was meant to block.

Im sure this will improve over time, but right now I have Stevenson as the volume lead here - unless he fumbles.
 
The Pats are better when both RBs are involved. I wasn't going to feel good about Jennings or Johnson as the backup. Stevenson has value as a blocker as well as a physical runner with pass catching chops. If the Pats didn't have a bottom third run blocking unit, I think both Henderson and Stevenson would feast.

With Henderson he's going to be high variance, the RB equivalent of big play dependent, low volume WR's like Jameson Williams. Basically like Kenneth Walker except you'll actually see Henderson used in the red zone. Could get anywhere from 12-20 touches on a given week, and will be dependent on him busting out a long one for a TD. Still think Henderson can be a league winner for his managers in the fantasy playoffs. I'm expecting a heavier emphasis on the run with Will Campbell on short term IR.
 
Watching the other night, there were a few times he looked lost. Didn't know where to lineup or who he was meant to block.

Im sure this will improve over time, but right now I have Stevenson as the volume lead here - unless he fumbles.

It balanced out on Mpnday night with NEP in clock kill for the 2nd half. While the game was actually competitive (first quarter and a half) Stevenson seemed to be getting a 60/40 load (maybe more) and he was the starting RB.

Major bummer for Hendo owners that had hoped he took over this backfield in Stevenson's absense.
 
Stevenson is the far superior blocker. He's not going away unless he gets hurt.

I follow JJ Zachariason, who does a lot of good fantasy work. Although he's a big-time Henderson fan, there are a whole of of metrics that show Henderson to be better than Rhamondre. And the pass pro stuff might be overblown.


I find the pass pro argument for running backs -- when the difference in ability with the ball in their hands is so evident -- to be too simplistic. Stevenson has been better in pass pro, there's no doubt. No argument there. But instead of just looking at pass pro as "good vs. bad", I think we need to look at the true impact one player is having versus another. Since Henderson started seeing more snaps in Week 10, he and Stevenson, per PFF, have the exact same number of pass pro reps. Henderson has allowed 1 sacks to Stevenson's 0, and he's given up 4 additional pressures. (I used that timeframe because he's gotten better in pass pro since the beginning of the season, and this is when he was getting full-time reps.) Is one pressure per game worth the delta in rushing performance and big-play ability? And why do we ignore the fact that Stevenson has had ball security issues? To me, Henderson has just been the better overall player. Not even saying it has to be all his. Just crazy to me that he's being out-snapped and seeing fewer rush attempts at this point in the season.
 
All we see is game day plays and don't have the ability to watch practices and position meetings so we can't know what else the coaches are seeing from the players.
 
All we see is game day plays and don't have the ability to watch practices and position meetings so we can't know what else the coaches are seeing from the players.
"All we see are who actually produces during the games, not who's a practice warrior"

There's a reason why Treylon Burks is a bust and not one of the best players in the league - practice doesn't score points. If a player, to pick a random unrelated issue, couldn't stop fumbling during the games, does it really matter if he's got the best hands in practice?

I just don't understand the logic with this one. It's Sunday that counts, not the install.
 
Josh McDaniels is an excellent OC and he favors a RBBC...everything starts with that.
Unfortunately, this is the case. And since they have the best record in the NFL, I don't think it's gonna change unless Stevenson gets injured again. Even then they'll probably game plan touches for some scrub RB off the street.
 
Josh McDaniels is an excellent OC and he favors a RBBC...everything starts with that.
Unfortunately, this is the case. And since they have the best record in the NFL, I don't think it's gonna change unless Stevenson gets injured again. Even then they'll probably game plan touches for some scrub RB off the street.

I keep stating it but IMO the key for Henderson is the receptions (and doing something with them obviously) which he is now starting to get...if he can get app. 15 touches a game with 4-5 being receptions that is going to be about as good as you are going to get with McDaniels...I don't dislike Stevenson but I'm also not a big fan but he is not going anywhere and things could have actually been worse if Gibson didn't get hurt because he is a very solid RB who they liked...Dynasty-wise the hope is the Pats O-line takes another big leap forward next year and that will help translate to better #'s for the RBs.
 

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