RB TreVeyon Henderson, NE (1 Viewer)

[LawFitz]

Why is Henderson's blocking more important than Achane's?

Different coaching staffs. Different QBs. Not a true apples to apples ever, but those are the two biggest differences that come to mind for me in comparing them. Also, Achane has proven himself as an elite offensive weapon across multiple seasons, whereas Henderson is still TBD on that part - small flashes only so far.

 

[efactor]

but I don't see anyone saying this about the runt in Miami

IIRC Achane isn’t tasked with pass pro very often.

Not knowing the schemes on passing plays, is the Miami OL or TEs that much better than NEs for blocking? If not, why would Henderson need to block less like Achane does?

All I know is when Hendo was alone in the backfield, Maye was getting blown up with pressure. When RS was blocking, Maye had time to complete his throws.

Henderson was running a route most of the time when he was in the backfield alone.

Yes, he runs a lot of routes on offense, so I don't see the big deal with pass protecting. Besides, RBs protecting the QB is overrated. If Achane is OK to get most of the carries, so should Henderson. I believe I would trust Henderson more in pass protection than Achane. Still, no one has answerd my question above. Why is Henderson's blocking more important than Achane's? Is the Miami OL and TEs better than the Patriots OL and TEs?

Although I didn’t watch every NE offensive play last night, I did watch most. Don’t recall a play that Maye was under pressure because of a missed Henderson block.

 

[efactor]

Why is Henderson's blocking more important than Achane's?

Different coaching staffs. Different QBs. Not a true apples to apples ever, but those are the two biggest differences that come to mind for me in comparing them. Also, Achane has proven himself as an elite offensive weapon across multiple seasons, whereas Henderson is still TBD on that part - small flashes only so far.

To be fair, very limited opportunities too. As High Tops pointed out, give him 15 Carrie’s and let him get in a groove. Not like you would be taking carries away from Bijan. It’s fricking Rhomadre Stevenson.

 

[JohnnyU]

Why is Henderson's blocking more important than Achane's?

Different coaching staffs. Different QBs. Not a true apples to apples ever, but those are the two biggest differences that come to mind for me in comparing them. Also, Achane has proven himself as an elite offensive weapon across multiple seasons, whereas Henderson is still TBD on that part - small flashes only so far.

All I know is that Miami throws the ball 58.6% of the time to New England's 56.6%. So pass protecting seems to be more important for Miami slightly. As for Henderson, he has big play ability that isn't being utilized correctly yet. That's not to say McDaniels won't have a revelation, but he's probably stubborn to a fault. I would think using Henderson as much as possible would help what I consider a mediocre WR room.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Although I didn’t watch every NE offensive play last night, I did watch most. Don’t recall a play that Maye was under pressure because of a missed Henderson block.

There were 2 in a row, and on 3rd down RS came in and blocked extremely well (incomplete pass, but he had loads of time).

We had an exchange about it in real time IIRC.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

It’s fricking Rhomadre Stevenson.

Oh the dude who can pass protect and scored twice?

 

[JohnnyU]

It’s fricking Rhomadre Stevenson.

Oh the dude who can pass protect and scored twice?

LOL on the scored twice on those 7 carries for 14 yards. I know you were being

 

[efactor]

Although I didn’t watch every NE offensive play last night, I did watch most. Don’t recall a play that Maye was under pressure because of a missed Henderson block.

There were 2 in a row, and on 3rd down RS came in and blocked extremely well (incomplete pass, but he had loads of time).

We had an exchange about it in real time IIRC.

We did and Henderson ran routes on both those plays that you claim he blocked poorly.

Also, Stevenson had almost no impact on the play that Maye had time to throw the ball. He did lean on the DT as part of a double team but it wasn’t some amazing individual blocking effort.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

All I know is that Miami throws the ball 58.6% of the time to New England's 56.6%. So pass protecting seems to be more important for Miami slightly.

I don’t understand how this is in any way a logical conclusion. Pass pro is equally important whether you throw 2% less or 20% less. The importance is on protecting the passer on passing downs. The frequency of passing downs is irrelevant to this equation.

As for Henderson, he has big play ability that isn't being utilized correctly yet.

That’s the rumor. It hasn’t manifested except in a preseason game where he had a hole big enough to drive a truck through it.

That's not to say McDaniels won't have a revelation, but he's probably stubborn to a fault. I would think using Henderson as much as possible would help what I consider a mediocre WR room.

Not sure how Henderson’s 3 yards and a cloud of dust is going to help their WR room any more or less with more usage. In fact it may hurt their WR room if he can’t protect Maye long enough to make those throws.

I’d say his increased usage will hurt their WR room if he continues to struggle to block the pass rush.

 

[LawFitz]

Why is Henderson's blocking more important than Achane's?

Different coaching staffs. Different QBs. Not a true apples to apples ever, but those are the two biggest differences that come to mind for me in comparing them. Also, Achane has proven himself as an elite offensive weapon across multiple seasons, whereas Henderson is still TBD on that part - small flashes only so far.

To be fair, very limited opportunities too. As High Tops pointed out, give him 15 Carrie’s and let him get in a groove. Not like you would be taking carries away from Bijan. It’s fricking Rhomadre Stevenson.

Against, I suspect this is a trust in pass pro issue more than it is anything else. Once Henderson earns that trust, the touches and the nameplate will grow.

 

[JohnnyU]

All I know is that Miami throws the ball 58.6% of the time to New England's 56.6%. So pass protecting seems to be more important for Miami slightly.

I don’t understand how this is in any way a logical conclusion. Pass pro is equally important whether you throw 2% less or 20% less. The importance is on protecting the passer on passing downs. The frequency of passing downs is irrelevant to this equation.

As for Henderson, he has big play ability that isn't being utilized correctly yet.

That’s the rumor. It hasn’t manifested except in a preseason game where he had a hole big enough to drive a truck through it.

That's not to say McDaniels won't have a revelation, but he's probably stubborn to a fault. I would think using Henderson as much as possible would help what I consider a mediocre WR room.

Not sure how Henderson’s 3 yards and a cloud of dust is going to help their WR room any more or less with more usage. In fact it may hurt their WR room if he can’t protect Maye long enough to make those throws.

I’d say his increased usage will hurt their WR room if he continues to struggle to block the pass rush.

So, you're using the 3 yards and cloud of dust arguement on Henderson. That's laughable, given his usage. You do realize Stevenson is averaging 3.7 yards per rush in 2025. Henderson isn't much better at 3.8, but he's a better receiver if they would just use him more and a better big play possibility.

 

[efactor]

It’s fricking Rhomadre Stevenson.

Oh the dude who can pass protect and scored twice?

The dude who averaged 2 yards a carry, fumbled AGAIN and scored two TDs that any other back and probably most of the o-line man could have scored on. He was terrible.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Although I didn’t watch every NE offensive play last night, I did watch most. Don’t recall a play that Maye was under pressure because of a missed Henderson block.

There were 2 in a row, and on 3rd down RS came in and blocked extremely well (incomplete pass, but he had loads of time).

We had an exchange about it in real time IIRC.

We did and Henderson ran routes on both those plays that you claim he blocked poorly.

This isn’t true. He was blocking, and poorly. On the 2nd play he leaked out after failing to make a block. That wasn’t running a route.

Also, Stevenson had almost no impact on the play that Maye had time to throw the ball. He did lean on the DT as part of a double team but it wasn’t some amazing individual blocking effort.

He kept the Edge rusher off, and did so solo. He was on camera the entire time and his assignment never got close to Maye.

What game were you watching, dude?

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

scored two TDs that any other back and probably most of the o-line man could have scored on.

Yep, you were definitely watching a different game. Both his TD required vision, one required power - neither are traits that Hendo has displayed so far.

I take it you have Hendo shares?

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

All I know is that Miami throws the ball 58.6% of the time to New England's 56.6%. So pass protecting seems to be more important for Miami slightly.

I don’t understand how this is in any way a logical conclusion. Pass pro is equally important whether you throw 2% less or 20% less. The importance is on protecting the passer on passing downs. The frequency of passing downs is irrelevant to this equation.

As for Henderson, he has big play ability that isn't being utilized correctly yet.

That’s the rumor. It hasn’t manifested except in a preseason game where he had a hole big enough to drive a truck through it.

That's not to say McDaniels won't have a revelation, but he's probably stubborn to a fault. I would think using Henderson as much as possible would help what I consider a mediocre WR room.

Not sure how Henderson’s 3 yards and a cloud of dust is going to help their WR room any more or less with more usage. In fact it may hurt their WR room if he can’t protect Maye long enough to make those throws.

I’d say his increased usage will hurt their WR room if he continues to struggle to block the pass rush.

So, you're using the 3 yards and cloud of dust arguement on Henderson. That's laughable, given his usage. You do realize Stevenson is averaging 3.7 yards per rush in 2025.

No, I’m using the “he struggles at pass protection” argument, and “he’s not going to see his role expand until he improves that” argument.

I very specifically said that, too.

 

[efactor]

Although I didn’t watch every NE offensive play last night, I did watch most. Don’t recall a play that Maye was under pressure because of a missed Henderson block.

There were 2 in a row, and on 3rd down RS came in and blocked extremely well (incomplete pass, but he had loads of time).

We had an exchange about it in real time IIRC.

We did and Henderson ran routes on both those plays that you claim he blocked poorly.

This isn’t true. He was blocking, and poorly. On the 2nd play he leaked out after failing to make a block. That wasn’t running a route.

Also, Stevenson had almost no impact on the play that Maye had time to throw the ball. He did lean on the DT as part of a double team but it wasn’t some amazing individual blocking effort.

He kept the Edge rusher off, and did so solo. He was on camera the entire time and his assignment never got close to Maye.

What game were you watching, dude?

I was wondering the same thing about you.

How do you know the play design on Henderson routes. Often it’s a chip and a route. Once again you are reaching to try to make your point.

 

[efactor]

scored two TDs that any other back and probably most of the o-line man could have scored on.

Yep, you were definitely watching a different game. Both his TD required vision, one required power - neither are traits that Hendo has displayed so far.

I take it you have Hendo shares?

lol. There was nothing special about either of those runs. Huge holes and well designed plays. 2 yards a carry last night. Where was the power and vision on the plays that weren’t wide open?

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Although I didn’t watch every NE offensive play last night, I did watch most. Don’t recall a play that Maye was under pressure because of a missed Henderson block.

There were 2 in a row, and on 3rd down RS came in and blocked extremely well (incomplete pass, but he had loads of time).

We had an exchange about it in real time IIRC.

We did and Henderson ran routes on both those plays that you claim he blocked poorly.

This isn’t true. He was blocking, and poorly. On the 2nd play he leaked out after failing to make a block. That wasn’t running a route.

Also, Stevenson had almost no impact on the play that Maye had time to throw the ball. He did lean on the DT as part of a double team but it wasn’t some amazing individual blocking effort.

He kept the Edge rusher off, and did so solo. He was on camera the entire time and his assignment never got close to Maye.

What game were you watching, dude?

I was wondering the same thing about you.

How do you know the play design on Henderson routes. Often it’s a chip and a route. Once again you are reaching to try to make your point.

not reaching in the slightest. Observation and commentary,

I know what I saw. Clearly the coaches did too, because Henderson wasn’t in on 3rd and long situations where the RB was asked to pass protect.

The only passing downs he was in on was with both RS & Hendo in the backfield. No interpretation or divination needed there - the coaching staff doesn’t trust him to protect Maye. It’s glaringly obvious.

 

[LawFitz]

This thread needs a chill pill, lol. Yikes. Too much emotion around this tiny name plate.

Rhamondre is a workman fumbler. Gibson is a Temu Rhamondre. And Henderson is clearly not trusted to be their explosive replacement for whatever reason(s). Yet.

All good, fellas. Patience is needed, but the schedule is naaaaicccce down the stretch, once past Cle and Atl in wks 9-10. Tiny P needs to earn the coaches' trust by then!

 

[JohnnyU]

All I know is that Miami throws the ball 58.6% of the time to New England's 56.6%. So pass protecting seems to be more important for Miami slightly.

I don’t understand how this is in any way a logical conclusion. Pass pro is equally important whether you throw 2% less or 20% less. The importance is on protecting the passer on passing downs. The frequency of passing downs is irrelevant to this equation.

As for Henderson, he has big play ability that isn't being utilized correctly yet.

That’s the rumor. It hasn’t manifested except in a preseason game where he had a hole big enough to drive a truck through it.

That's not to say McDaniels won't have a revelation, but he's probably stubborn to a fault. I would think using Henderson as much as possible would help what I consider a mediocre WR room.

Not sure how Henderson’s 3 yards and a cloud of dust is going to help their WR room any more or less with more usage. In fact it may hurt their WR room if he can’t protect Maye long enough to make those throws.

I’d say his increased usage will hurt their WR room if he continues to struggle to block the pass rush.

So, you're using the 3 yards and cloud of dust arguement on Henderson. That's laughable, given his usage. You do realize Stevenson is averaging 3.7 yards per rush in 2025.

No, I’m using the “he struggles at pass protection” argument, and “he’s not going to see his role expand until he improves that” argument.

I very specifically said that, too.

I suppose we could dance all day on this, so I'll just stop. I made my arguments about pass protection, giving the Miami offense as a good example. Miami throws the ball more than NE does, albeit slightly. Miami has a runt as their main RB. Then the argument was made that they don't ask Achane to block. Then I asked is the Miami OL and TEs better blockers than the Patriots. Cricklets. Bottom line, I don't think McDaniels is making good use of the weapon he has. Maybe he will later in the season. I'm out of this song and dance. Good luck on Sundays.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I made my arguments about pass protection, giving the Miami offense as a good example

Respectfully, it wasn’t a good example. You drew a false conclusion based on a 2% differential in passing %, when the importance of protecting the QB is equal regardless of pass %.

But it’s not a Tyreek Hill I need to die on either.

Best of luck to you as well.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

All good, fellas. Patience is needed, but the schedule is naaaaicccce down the stretch, once past Cle and Atl in wks 9-10 if Tiny P can earn his coaches' trust by then

Yeah, the reality is with Gibson’s knee (he was crying coming out of the blue tent, which is often a bad sign) Henderson’s role is likely to expand regardless.

Maybe those saying with X# of touches he’ll get better and better are right. I’d love to see it - I was excited about him coming off that preseason game. So far it hasn’t manifested.

But he’s absolutely in line for more work. TBD what the breakdown of high volume touches is. RS is a very capable receiver, and he’s much bigger back, so goal to go situations likely favor him.

But if Hendo is as skilled as some believe, increased volume should result in some breakaway runs. And with a softer schedule on the horizon he may well pay off.

 

[greenmountaingoat]

He's apparently a very hard working kid. Got to believe he'll figure it out eventually.. but Vrabel might just be the type of coach that is going to really stick with his vets. Might be why guys love playing for him. He's loyal.

 

[JohnnyU]

He's apparently a very hard working kid. Got to believe he'll figure it out eventually.. but Vrabel might just be the type of coach that is going to really stick with his vets. Might be why guys love playing for him. He's loyal.

Yeah, he loyal'd his way out of a job previously.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Vrabel might just be the type of coach that is going to really stick with his vets. Might be why guys love playing for him. He's loyal.

Hadn’t considered that angle, but IIRC I’ve read that in the past about Vrabel. Makes ya wonder why they’d spend the pick on Henderson in the 1st place (something I’ve seen others question since the draft)

 

[Lansdowne]

I'm sour at the lack of production by Henderson thus far but am giggling at the small nameplate jokes. Grateful to this forum for helping keep things loose.

 

[efactor]

He's apparently a very hard working kid. Got to believe he'll figure it out eventually.. but Vrabel might just be the type of coach that is going to really stick with his vets. Might be why guys love playing for him. He's loyal.

Yeah, he loyal'd his way out of a job previously.

Doing the same thing with Kyle Williams. Would love to see him get some reps at least. Douglas is virtually useless and Boutte isn’t great either.

I know it’s the Browns but love what they are doing with their rookies, letting them play. If they had a real QB (like Maye), that offense would be really good.

 

[mrfrood]

Gibson officially has a torn ACL.

 

[JohnnyU]

Gibson officially has a torn ACL.

Thanks for providing this info, I hadn't read anything about that yet.

 

[SeniorVBDStudent]

apparently the 2025 NFL trade deadline is Tuesday, November 4th, at 4 p.m. ET.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

But the important question: Why is his jersey nameplate so small?

The nameplate size directly correlates with how many touches he’s getting. So, his nameplate font size will increase as his usage rate goes up

I am not a conspiracy guy, but imma go ahead and get on board with this one.

 

[JohnnyU]

apparently the 2025 NFL trade deadline is Tuesday, November 4th, at 4 p.m. ET.

As someone else said somewhere, perhaps they should just pick up Gus Edwards to take carries away from Henderson.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Gibson officially has a torn ACL.

Brutal. Very underrated player his entire career.

 

[mrfrood]

It was puzzling that Stevenson kept getting run after that fumble. I do not know what it will take for Henderson to get a chance. The one positive is that he played his highest snap percentage (50%). As someone pointed out Vrabel was playing Lewis over Henry back in the day.

 

[JohnnyU]

It was puzzling that Stevenson kept getting run after that fumble. I do not know what it will take for Henderson to get a chance. The one positive is that he played his highest snap percentage (50%). As someone pointed out Vrabel was playing Lewis over Henry back in the day.

That's one thing Dion Lewis will be able to tell his grandchildren.

"Grandpa, did you make the Hall of Fame like Derrick Henry?".
"Dion Lewis: You kids go outside and play".

 

[Uncle Leo]

It was puzzling that Stevenson kept getting run after that fumble. I do not know what it will take for Henderson to get a chance. The one positive is that he played his highest snap percentage (50%). As someone pointed out Vrabel was playing Lewis over Henry back in the day.

Look I drafted Henderson early and feel like I picked a bust. However, the coaches know something about him that they don’t trust yet. They feel more comfortable with Ramondre.

 

[FantasyGuru24]

His time will come .. Or some fantasy owner will “Tonya Harding” one of Stevenson’s knees ..

 

[LawFitz]

His time will come

#Godspeed

 

[mrfrood]

I think Stevenson is up there for one of my most hated players. He scores 2 tds and barely musters up 13 points in half PPR. He also cost me a championship last year. He is like a running back version of the Giants version of Daniel Jones.

 

[efactor]

Gibson officially has a torn ACL.

Brutal. Very underrated player his entire career.

Yeah, I never really understood him going into NFL exile. Good size, good speed, could catch the ball well. Had a couple solid seasons and then essentially disappeared.

 

[JohnnyU]

While the Gibson injury is unfortunate, I do think this will give Henderson a few more carries.

 

[ponchsox]

While the Gibson injury is unfortunate, I do think this will give Henderson a few more carries.

It’s at worst a 60/40 split in favor of Stevenson. One less obstacle for touches.

 

[JohnnyU]

While the Gibson injury is unfortunate, I do think this will give Henderson a few more carries.

It’s at worst a 60/40 split in favor of Stevenson. One less obstacle for touches.

You're no doubt % on that. At least until the next Stevenson fumble

 

[Doubles]

While the Gibson injury is unfortunate, I do think this will give Henderson a few more carries.

It’s at worst a 60/40 split in favor of Stevenson. One less obstacle for touches.

You're no doubt % on that. At least until the next Stevenson fumble

Then it’ll be 70/30 Stevenson.

 

[JohnnyU]

While the Gibson injury is unfortunate, I do think this will give Henderson a few more carries.

It’s at worst a 60/40 split in favor of Stevenson. One less obstacle for touches.

You're no doubt % on that. At least until the next Stevenson fumble

Then it’ll be 70/30 Stevenson.

You're also no doubt 100% correct.

 

[ponchsox]

@Anarchy99 the Patriots will surely bring in another back, right? JaMycal Hasty brought back?

 

[JohnnyU]

@Anarchy99 the Patriots will surely bring in another back, right? JaMycal Hasty brought back?

Who do they have on their PS?

 

[FantasyGuru24]

While the Gibson injury is unfortunate, I do think this will give Henderson a few more carries.

It’s at worst a 60/40 split in favor of Stevenson. One less obstacle for touches.

I would say it’s more like 70/30 but feels like 90/10 in Stevenson’s favor ..

 

[Anarchy99]

@Anarchy99 the Patriots will surely bring in another back, right? JaMycal Hasty brought back?

Hasty is on the Dolphins practice squad. But NE could still sign him. The Pats have Terrell Jennings on their practice squad.

If we are fishing for prior NE RB connections, Zeke Elliott is on the LAC practice suqad, Pierre Strong is on the Packers practice squad, and Kevin Harris was signed but released by the Jaguars and is a free agent.

They had Trayveon Williams and Joran Mims around in the the season. Both are free agents. That's about the the list of recent RB options for them.

I have not heard anything other than let's-make-a-wild-guess speculation of who they might consider. So I won't even go there. If I hear of anything I will let people know.

 

[Lansdowne]

There's also D'Onta Foreman who doesn't have prior history with the Pats but does have history with the Titans from when Vrabel coached them. He's washed but that's a different story. Preferably they'd want someone else, someone who has KR value.