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RB TreVeyon Henderson, NE (4 Viewers)

He’s been stapled to the bench for weeks in the two leagues I have him. He looked a lot better last week (play designs and blocking were also effective). And I sorta thought that he was heading towards start able low end RB2 ish territory. And then he fumbled.

The coaching staff seems to think he’s a little bit raw still. Hopefully he can start stacking up good practices and start earning more trust
 
I've been trying to put him on my bench! But with byes and a RB injury to my stable every week, I gotta keep trotting him out there. RBs are damn near worthless in FF now. Unless you have a J Taylor, J Williams, J Jacobs, or CMC you're pretty much playing roulette with your RBs.
 
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#Patriots OC Josh McDaniels on RB TreVeyon Henderson receiving more opportunities in space against Cleveland:

“I don’t think it’s a secret that he’s fast and he does some really good things with the ball… I thought he made some really good runs… He fought through some contact. Excited to see him build on that and continue to grow.”

(🎥 @Patriots)
 
I thought that ship sailed when Gibson went down and he was barely used. What you may end up seeing is the same usage as last week with 10 carries.
I don't mind the 10 carries. I just need 6 targets to go along with that. At 6-2, the Patriots are in a good spot, but good coaching doesn't just repeat the same thing over and over. Good coaching begins to evolve. Evolving your offense for bigger plays. Henderson is the one guy on the roster who has the potential for big plays. Time to coach him. They obviously haven't trusted him fully yet. They have used kid gloves with him, I get it, but it's time to loosen the reigns a bit and see what happens. This Stevenson injury is the opportunity. Time will tell I guess.
 
If Stevenson is out and Henderson doesn't get 15 touches its finally drop city in redraft.
I thought that ship sailed when Gibson went down and he was barely used. What you may end up seeing is the same usage as last week with 10 carries.
he can do some damage with 10 carries i think

Wasn't gibbs an RB1 his rookie year with 12 carries a game or so?
Wasn't he getting passing usage as well? TH isn't getting that right now. I think it's still risky to use Henderson in fantasy unless you're utterly desperate.
 
Wasn't he getting passing usage as well? TH isn't getting that right now. I think it's still risky to use Henderson in fantasy unless you're utterly desperate.
That's the surprising thing to me. 18 total targets on season and ZERO passing targets past two games. Zero scenario where I compare him to Gibbs. I also see zero scenario where he is a rb1 or even a rb2 for fantasy. Im just hoping he can be a rb3 at this point. It just seems like malpractice to not have 1 or 2 designed plays a game where he slips out of the backfield for a screen. Even if it doesn't succeed it adds a dynamic teams have to plan for. Gives the linebackers something to look for.
 
Wasn't he getting passing usage as well? TH isn't getting that right now. I think it's still risky to use Henderson in fantasy unless you're utterly desperate.
That's the surprising thing to me. 18 total targets on season and ZERO passing targets past two games. Zero scenario where I compare him to Gibbs. I also see zero scenario where he is a rb1 or even a rb2 for fantasy. Im just hoping he can be a rb3 at this point. It just seems like malpractice to not have 1 or 2 designed plays a game where he slips out of the backfield for a screen. Even if it doesn't succeed it adds a dynamic teams have to plan for. Gives the linebackers something to look for.
The Patriots need to get Henderson out in space on swing passes and let him use his vision and speed. It sounds so simple and probably isn't, but to me it's what's missing.
 
If they can’t scheme him open and make him a focal point of the offense this weekend then it’s strictly on the coaches. I refuse to believe a standout stud coming from a championship power house school in OSU (which produces nothing but studs in the league) can’t play all of a sudden.
 
Yeah, I'm in one of those moods today. I'm still laughing at myself over that one.
Mods? He is still here. I have to now live through one of his "moods" Us Henderson owners have had a rough year. If this poster can't say anything nice about him he needs to jump into another thread. Ha ha
 
Yeah, I'm in one of those moods today. I'm still laughing at myself over that one.
Mods? He is still here. I have to now live through one of his "moods" Us Henderson owners have had a rough year. If this poster can't say anything nice about him he needs to jump into another thread. Ha ha
LOL. I probably have more shares % of Henderson than anyone, so I've suffered along with you all year. It finally got to ridiculous status, so you have to laugh about it or you'll cry. Maybe he blows up this week.
 
Part of Phil Perry's breakdown:

TreVeyon Henderson vs. Falcons run defense

Rhamondre Stevenson is dealing with a toe injury and won't play against the Falcons, per Mike Vrabel. If ever there was an opportunity (and a matchup) for TreVeyon Henderson to "break out," it would be Sunday.

Per Sumer Sports, the Falcons rank 27th in the NFL in stopping inside runs and 24th in stopping runs outside the tackles. They rank 30th in yards after contact allowed per rush (3.53), they're 22nd in yards allowed per rush (4.6), and they're 28th in "stuff percentage," which tracks how frequently defenses stop rushing attempts for no gain or a loss of yardage (per NextGen Stats).

The Patriots recently promoted practice-squad back Terrell Jennings, who could end up being used as the between-the-tackles back should the Patriots want to continue to use Henderson as a weapon to attack the edges of the opponent's defense as he did against Cleveland in Week 8.

No matter how the reps are split, Henderson should see his share of work. He picked up a career-high 75 yards on 10 carries against the Browns, losing a fumble in the fourth quarter.
 
OK I will give him one more shot in a league where I am weak at RB but why do I feel like it's going to be a 15 touch Antonio Gibson week.
 
OK I will give him one more shot in a league where I am weak at RB but why do I feel like it's going to be a 15 touch Antonio Gibson week.
Well, your instinct is right that it could be someone other than TH. But it won’t be Gibson. He’s on season ending IR.
That is funny before I posted it, I thought I should check to see if Gibson is even around still. I think I now remember a point where I played plugged TH back into my lineup because the injury to Gibson surely meant more opportunities.
 
We need TreVeyon to Wally Pip that fumbling garbage RB that stubbed his little toe. TreVeyon, fulfill your destiny of taking over this backfield and start this Sunday with a 20 burger.
Huge weekend for him. If he fails to take advantage of this injury to Stevenson and can't establish himself as a difference maker, his dynasty value and NFL career outlook start to look pretty worrisome.
 
Huge weekend for him. If he fails to take advantage of this injury to Stevenson and can't establish himself as a difference maker, his dynasty value and NFL career outlook start to look pretty worrisome.
This times a 1000. He doesn't at least kinda hit this weekend his redraft value is waiver wire. I'll give some grace for dynasty though, the NFL changes quickly.
 
We need TreVeyon to Wally Pip that fumbling garbage RB that stubbed his little toe. TreVeyon, fulfill your destiny of taking over this backfield and start this Sunday with a 20 burger.
Huge weekend for him. If he fails to take advantage of this injury to Stevenson and can't establish himself as a difference maker, his dynasty value and NFL career outlook start to look pretty worrisome.
Was thinking something similar earlier about what this game means to him because it now seems the run he got at the end of the game last week was probably more to do with Rhamondre nursing his toe then trying to carve out carries for him.

The difference is he's not been particularly close to some kind of takeover or making this more of a pure RBBC at least and seems more buried in a clear backup role, and that might only be because Gibson went down. It's really been kind of weird but I trust McDaniels and Vrabel have their valid reasons. Whatever he's doing wrong or not up to their standards he needs to change some minds with this opportunity.
 
We need TreVeyon to Wally Pip that fumbling garbage RB that stubbed his little toe. TreVeyon, fulfill your destiny of taking over this backfield and start this Sunday with a 20 burger.
Huge weekend for him. If he fails to take advantage of this injury to Stevenson and can't establish himself as a difference maker, his dynasty value and NFL career outlook start to look pretty worrisome.
Was thinking something similar earlier about what this game means to him because it now seems the run he got at the end of the game last week was probably more to do with Rhamondre nursing his toe then trying to carve out carries for him.

The difference is he's not been particularly close to some kind of takeover or making this more of a pure RBBC at least and seems more buried in a clear backup role, and that might only be because Gibson went down. It's really been kind of weird but I trust McDaniels and Vrabel have their valid reasons. Whatever he's doing wrong or not up to their standards he needs to change some minds with this opportunity.

McDaniels still has pull in the organization and isn't one of Vrabrel's guys but is instead a Kraft holdover/hire, and I think it's Jonathan Kraft who wanted him, Robert's son, and there's a weird dynamic there. But McDaniels never uses rookies and you can find my usually temperate self (lol) in either the Henderson, Patriots, or McDaniels' thread cursing him six ways from Sunday before the year even started.


So I don't know how much of this is on the head coach.
 
We need TreVeyon to Wally Pip that fumbling garbage RB that stubbed his little toe. TreVeyon, fulfill your destiny of taking over this backfield and start this Sunday with a 20 burger.
Huge weekend for him. If he fails to take advantage of this injury to Stevenson and can't establish himself as a difference maker, his dynasty value and NFL career outlook start to look pretty worrisome.
Was thinking something similar earlier about what this game means to him because it now seems the run he got at the end of the game last week was probably more to do with Rhamondre nursing his toe then trying to carve out carries for him.

The difference is he's not been particularly close to some kind of takeover or making this more of a pure RBBC at least and seems more buried in a clear backup role, and that might only be because Gibson went down. It's really been kind of weird but I trust McDaniels and Vrabel have their valid reasons. Whatever he's doing wrong or not up to their standards he needs to change some minds with this opportunity.

McDaniels still has pull in the organization and isn't one of Vrabrel's guys but is instead a Kraft holdover/hire, and I think it's Jonathan Kraft who wanted him, Robert's son, and there's a weird dynamic there. But McDaniels never uses rookies and you can find my usually temperate self (lol) in either the Henderson, Patriots, or McDaniels' thread cursing him six ways from Sunday before the year even started.


So I don't know how much of this is on the head coach.
Interesting theory. Maybe, but I feel like Vrabel swings a might powerful stick but you could be right.

What I always think of when I see Henderson's low usage is Eliot Wolf talking after the draft about how they were having a disagreement about who to draft in round two and way I heard it reported by someone the debate was pretty healthy, a lot of disagreement. The player some wanted was Jonah Savaiinaea and the debate only ended because Miami jumped them and took him.

So I think about that in the context of was Henderson someone the front office wanted and not necessarily the coaching staff or McDaniels? A lot of the value we see in a RB getting drafted high is it generally means they got a clear vision and plan for the RB but I think of this situation and wonder if that vision was one maybe shared by people who don't actually call plays who determine who gets playing time.
 
We need TreVeyon to Wally Pip that fumbling garbage RB that stubbed his little toe. TreVeyon, fulfill your destiny of taking over this backfield and start this Sunday with a 20 burger.
Huge weekend for him. If he fails to take advantage of this injury to Stevenson and can't establish himself as a difference maker, his dynasty value and NFL career outlook start to look pretty worrisome.
Was thinking something similar earlier about what this game means to him because it now seems the run he got at the end of the game last week was probably more to do with Rhamondre nursing his toe then trying to carve out carries for him.

The difference is he's not been particularly close to some kind of takeover or making this more of a pure RBBC at least and seems more buried in a clear backup role, and that might only be because Gibson went down. It's really been kind of weird but I trust McDaniels and Vrabel have their valid reasons. Whatever he's doing wrong or not up to their standards he needs to change some minds with this opportunity.

McDaniels still has pull in the organization and isn't one of Vrabrel's guys but is instead a Kraft holdover/hire, and I think it's Jonathan Kraft who wanted him, Robert's son, and there's a weird dynamic there. But McDaniels never uses rookies and you can find my usually temperate self (lol) in either the Henderson, Patriots, or McDaniels' thread cursing him six ways from Sunday before the year even started.


So I don't know how much of this is on the head coach.
Interesting theory. Maybe, but I feel like Vrabel swings a might powerful stick but you could be right.

What I always think of when I see Henderson's low usage is Eliot Wolf talking after the draft about how they were having a disagreement about who to draft in round two and way I heard it reported by someone the debate was pretty healthy, a lot of disagreement. The player some wanted was Jonah Savaiinaea and the debate only ended because Miami jumped them and took him.

So I think about that in the context of was Henderson someone the front office wanted and not necessarily the coaching staff or McDaniels? A lot of the value we see in a RB getting drafted high is it generally means they got a clear vision and plan for the RB but I think of this situation and wonder if that vision was one maybe shared by people who don't actually call plays who determine who gets playing time.

Solid. Thanks.
 
We need TreVeyon to Wally Pip that fumbling garbage RB that stubbed his little toe.
Why do you wish ill will upon Rhamondre, his family's situation, and hope his future children have the lesser things in life?

He seems to be a private, stand-up person with no off-field character flaws.
Lost his father at an early age this off-season - hopefully you didn't take delight in that as well.
 
Ounce D Johnson gets up to speed. He will pass Jennings and will be splitting touches with Henderson before long if RS is out for a while..
Dint think Pats want Henderson touching ball more than 14-15 times a game.
 
We need TreVeyon to Wally Pip that fumbling garbage RB that stubbed his little toe.
Why do you wish ill will upon Rhamondre, his family's situation, and hope his future children have the lesser things in life?

He seems to be a private, stand-up person with no off-field character flaws.
Lost his father at an early age this off-season - hopefully you didn't take delight in that as well.
Hyperbolic response. It's fantasy football, people want their players to play. Of course his response wasn't any better.
 
Ounce D Johnson gets up to speed. He will pass Jennings and will be splitting touches with Henderson before long if RS is out for a while..
Dint think Pats want Henderson touching ball more than 14-15 times a game.

As an FYI the Pats had to bring-up Jennings as they were out of options...I believe if Johnson replaces him that means they will have to cut Jennings as he can no longer be sent to the practice-squad so this week he may be playing for his future with the Pats.

Johnson is an interesting one...they didn't have to give up anything for him and he has been a decent RB over the years...if Jennings plays well I would think they are comfortable with Johnson being on the PS as quality depth although he is a big enough name another team could potentially scoop him up if they get injuries...if Jennings doesn't play well it will be interesting to see if he only gets a one game audition and they go with Johnson.

The other scenario here (as I am basically now writing a chain of thought here) is if Henderson and Jennings underwhelm do they bring in a legit RB via trade (they could anyways now that the Pats are playoff contenders)...the name I have seen speculated is Jerome Ford...he can run and catch, has real experience and Vrabel was with the Browns last year so he knows him...after the Duggar and White deals the Pats have 4th sixth round picks so I think it would be pretty easy to bring in a veteran RB with one of those picks...especially since 90% of NFL trades now seem to be a player and a 7th for a 6th.

Big picture this is a monster week for Henderson...he could not have a better opportunity, and it is week 9 so if they can't trust him now and in this situation, they may not the rest of the year (and could be forced to make a move for a quality RB)...historically rookie RBs have been brought along slowly in a McDaniels offense...I really thought Henderson would break the mold on that after looking so dynamic in pre-season and with his pedigree but I was obviously wrong...last week was the first week where we saw shades of what we saw in pre-season...I am hoping that was a sign he has turned the corner...between this game and the trade deadline on Tuesday his value has an absolutely huge swing of possibilities both good and bad...if they can get him up to speed and being the home-run threat (getting about 12-15 touches...I think most people thought that was the upside going into the year) many of us thought he would be it would give this offense a real weapon that could be a difference-maker...as a Pats I have my fingers crossed.
 
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We need TreVeyon to Wally Pip that fumbling garbage RB that stubbed his little toe.
Why do you wish ill will upon Rhamondre, his family's situation, and hope his future children have the lesser things in life?

He seems to be a private, stand-up person with no off-field character flaws.
Lost his father at an early age this off-season - hopefully you didn't take delight in that as well.
Hyperbolic response. It's fantasy football, people want their players to play. Of course his response wasn't any better.

Yeah I am joking but I was not wishing any ill intent on Stevenson. I do have a bias against Stevenson though that stems from last year.
 
I do not know what to expect. His prop bets looked pretty favorable.

I will not be surprised if his role is what it has been and I will not be surprised if he scores 20+ points.
 

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