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RB TreVeyon Henderson, NE (6 Viewers)

but Vrabel and McDaniels have seen more out of Stevenson in keeping Maye upright and keeping the ball moving through the air.
This is what most of us have been saying all year. It falls on deaf ears. None of the RS haters want to believe he’s good at football things that Hendo isn’t.

Henderson is way better at the things fantasy managers want.
Stevenson is way better at the things coaches want, except for fumbling.

Vrabel and the coaches have decided that Hendersons positives don't out weigh his negatives and rightfully so. Maye is the key to this offense, not Steveson and not Henderson. So if they have to sacrifice a possession, and some big play ability to keep Maye healthy and happy then it will be done.

Hopefully Henderson learns those skills, then the sky is the limit.
It's just crazy because Henderson was supposed to be one of the best pass pro backs in the draft and it's like once he got drafted he forgot how to. Either that or the scouts are clueless. Thought for sure this guy would be on the field a lot. It's almost like the team already has a bad taste in its mouth with this guy and he may never get a legit shot.
It might just be take lock on my end but I feel like Henderson is just too talented not to succeed. If Achane can be a stud at his size I see no reason why Henderson can't eventually do the same. I'm really shocked at the struggles with pass protection though, hopefully he can get that right soon. He can be an all-around stud if he ever figures it out.
 
Rham DNP today. No elaboration about exact injury other than 'toe.' If it's the dreaded, the only thing that stands in the way of Hendo time for at least the next few weeks is Jennings - who did snipe a TD last weekend, but importantly the snap ratio was 75/25, in favor of Tiny P.
 
but Vrabel and McDaniels have seen more out of Stevenson in keeping Maye upright and keeping the ball moving through the air.
This is what most of us have been saying all year. It falls on deaf ears. None of the RS haters want to believe he’s good at football things that Hendo isn’t.

Henderson is way better at the things fantasy managers want.
Stevenson is way better at the things coaches want, except for fumbling.

Vrabel and the coaches have decided that Hendersons positives don't out weigh his negatives and rightfully so. Maye is the key to this offense, not Steveson and not Henderson. So if they have to sacrifice a possession, and some big play ability to keep Maye healthy and happy then it will be done.

Hopefully Henderson learns those skills, then the sky is the limit.
It's just crazy because Henderson was supposed to be one of the best pass pro backs in the draft and it's like once he got drafted he forgot how to. Either that or the scouts are clueless. Thought for sure this guy would be on the field a lot. It's almost like the team already has a bad taste in its mouth with this guy and he may never get a legit shot.
It might just be take lock on my end but I feel like Henderson is just too talented not to succeed. If Achane can be a stud at his size I see no reason why Henderson can't eventually do the same. I'm really shocked at the struggles with pass protection though, hopefully he can get that right soon. He can be an all-around stud if he ever figures it out.
Funny you bring up Achane. Johnny U made a great point earlier in the thread how Miami doesn't expect Achane to pass block due to his size. Granted Henderson needs to get better, but he's never going to be great (probably) at his size. They should have known that when they spent an early 2nd on him. If pass blocking is a determinant of who gets snaps in NE, then I guess they will roll with Stevenson and live with the lack of production.
 
but Vrabel and McDaniels have seen more out of Stevenson in keeping Maye upright and keeping the ball moving through the air.
This is what most of us have been saying all year. It falls on deaf ears. None of the RS haters want to believe he’s good at football things that Hendo isn’t.

Henderson is way better at the things fantasy managers want.
Stevenson is way better at the things coaches want, except for fumbling.

Vrabel and the coaches have decided that Hendersons positives don't out weigh his negatives and rightfully so. Maye is the key to this offense, not Steveson and not Henderson. So if they have to sacrifice a possession, and some big play ability to keep Maye healthy and happy then it will be done.

Hopefully Henderson learns those skills, then the sky is the limit.
It's just crazy because Henderson was supposed to be one of the best pass pro backs in the draft and it's like once he got drafted he forgot how to. Either that or the scouts are clueless. Thought for sure this guy would be on the field a lot. It's almost like the team already has a bad taste in its mouth with this guy and he may never get a legit shot.
Henderson probably will be one of the better pass pro RBs in the NFL at some point. I think people underestimate how much more complicated NFL schemes are and, how much better NFL players are at executing said schemes.

Sometimes it takes time.
 
We can wish for Henderson until we're blue in the face, but sometimes these things take time. Dynasty owners need to remember that. As for redraft, you probably shouldn't be counting on rookies in the first place.
 
Rham DNP today. No elaboration about exact injury other than 'toe.' If it's the dreaded, the only thing that stands in the way of Hendo time for at least the next few weeks is Jennings - who did snipe a TD last weekend, but importantly the snap ratio was 75/25, in favor of Tiny P.
"Tiny P"?

I reject that name and forbid everyone in all the land from ever uttering it again. On penalty of a sternly worded admonishment.

I have spoken.
 
Rham DNP today. No elaboration about exact injury other than 'toe.' If it's the dreaded, the only thing that stands in the way of Hendo time for at least the next few weeks is Jennings - who did snipe a TD last weekend, but importantly the snap ratio was 75/25, in favor of Tiny P.
"Tiny P"?

I reject that name and forbid everyone in all the land from ever uttering it again. On penalty of a sternly worded admonishment.

I have spoken.
That's what she said.
 
We can wish for Henderson until we're blue in the face, but sometimes these things take time. Dynasty owners need to remember that. As for redraft, you probably shouldn't be counting on rookies in the first place.
You know there is a well established history of reliable performance from rookies in their rookie season. It's generally whack-a-mole predicting which ones but, isn't that the case everywhere?
 
but Vrabel and McDaniels have seen more out of Stevenson in keeping Maye upright and keeping the ball moving through the air.
This is what most of us have been saying all year. It falls on deaf ears. None of the RS haters want to believe he’s good at football things that Hendo isn’t.

Henderson is way better at the things fantasy managers want.
Stevenson is way better at the things coaches want, except for fumbling.

Vrabel and the coaches have decided that Hendersons positives don't out weigh his negatives and rightfully so. Maye is the key to this offense, not Steveson and not Henderson. So if they have to sacrifice a possession, and some big play ability to keep Maye healthy and happy then it will be done.

Hopefully Henderson learns those skills, then the sky is the limit.
It's just crazy because Henderson was supposed to be one of the best pass pro backs in the draft and it's like once he got drafted he forgot how to. Either that or the scouts are clueless. Thought for sure this guy would be on the field a lot. It's almost like the team already has a bad taste in its mouth with this guy and he may never get a legit shot.
It might just be take lock on my end but I feel like Henderson is just too talented not to succeed. If Achane can be a stud at his size I see no reason why Henderson can't eventually do the same. I'm really shocked at the struggles with pass protection though, hopefully he can get that right soon. He can be an all-around stud if he ever figures it out.
Funny you bring up Achane. Johnny U made a great point earlier in the thread how Miami doesn't expect Achane to pass block due to his size. Granted Henderson needs to get better, but he's never going to be great (probably) at his size. They should have known that when they spent an early 2nd on him. If pass blocking is a determinant of who gets snaps in NE, then I guess they will roll with Stevenson and live with the lack of production.
To be fair, when they drafted Henderson they didn't know how much of a leap Maye was going to take this year. Only they know how that impacts what they want from RB position at this stage. Or, crucially, who Maye wants out there.

Equally, maybe if they had a do-over they take WR in the 2nd and a RB where they took Kyle Williams.
 
We can wish for Henderson until we're blue in the face, but sometimes these things take time. Dynasty owners need to remember that. As for redraft, you probably shouldn't be counting on rookies in the first place.
You know there is a well established history of reliable performance from rookies in their rookie season. It's generally whack-a-mole predicting which ones but, isn't that the case everywhere?
Sure, but probably not as much as you think, depending on your definition of reliable performance.
 
Rham DNP today. No elaboration about exact injury other than 'toe.' If it's the dreaded, the only thing that stands in the way of Hendo time for at least the next few weeks is Jennings - who did snipe a TD last weekend, but importantly the snap ratio was 75/25, in favor of Tiny P.
I don’t look at Weds practice reports.

That said I won’t be shocked if RS misses another game. Toes can be tricky. Just ask Purdy & Burrow.
 
Rham DNP today. No elaboration about exact injury other than 'toe.' If it's the dreaded, the only thing that stands in the way of Hendo time for at least the next few weeks is Jennings - who did snipe a TD last weekend, but importantly the snap ratio was 75/25, in favor of Tiny P.
I don’t look at Weds practice reports.

That said I won’t be shocked if RS misses another game. Toes can be tricky. Just ask Purdy & Burrow.
Yep, I don't pay attention to Wednesday practice reports either. If it were me, all these posts in the injury thread should just wait until Thurs and Friday unless something unexpected comes up.
 
There are also a million other little things players need to do to succeed in the NFL.

We’re a bunch of dorks on a FF forum. The guys in the Pats coaching staff are privy to thing we will never know or see.

Citing pass pro is low hanging fruit. We don’t know what we don’t know. Maybe it is and maybe it ain’t - but not every RB takes the leap to the pros and has everything click. Maybe it’s not clicking as expected. Or maybe as some here have suggested, it’s just that Maye is ahead of schedule & keeping him vertical is the priority.

Or maybe they are using Henderson exactly as much as they want to use him. It’s a little weird to spend that sort of draft capital on a situational player at a somewhat devalued position, but hey, the Raiders spent a 3rd on a K. Who the heck knows what the Pats were thinking.

I’m just saying that there seems to be a significant disconnect between what the Pats think of Henderson & what the FF community thinks of Henderson. Maybe that’ll change - I would have expected it to last weekend with RS out. Then Jennings came in and played well instead. If I were a Hendo shareholder that would concern me much more than RS getting touches ahead of him YTD.
 
We can wish for Henderson until we're blue in the face, but sometimes these things take time. Dynasty owners need to remember that. As for redraft, you probably shouldn't be counting on rookies in the first place.
You know there is a well established history of reliable performance from rookies in their rookie season. It's generally whack-a-mole predicting which ones but, isn't that the case everywhere?
Sure, but probably not as much as you think, depending on your definition of reliable performance.
Of course and, I absolutely agree but, just look at this years draft. I'm sticking to round 1 skill players because that is where we do most of our fishing so, no Judkins (good) or Henderson (not good) etc.

There were only 10 skill position players drafted and Warren & Emeka are good contributors and, it sure looked like Omarion was going to be as well. Jeanty has been a disappointment relative to expectations but, he's still a high RB2 in PPR formats. Dart is on the fringes of being a #1 QB (#13 PPG in my home league). Tetairoa was looking strong and, gets solid targets but, he's a flex option at best. Loveland gets an incomplete from me, great game but it was Cinci. I think the only true non-contributors so far are Cam & Golden.

That's a pretty strong hit rate.

ETA: Apologies, I realize I am derailing the thread.
 
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#Patriots Garrett Bradbury (hip) and DT Joshua Farmer (ankle) are back at practice on Thursday. WR Kayshon Boutte (hamstring), RB Rhamondre Stevenson (toe), and LB Christian Elliss (hip) remain absent. We did see Stevenson observing practice. Not participating.

Fire up the Tiny P's (and/or Terry Jennings)
I'd say either one is a desperation flex for this week. The Bucs defense has been tough on opposing RBs for fantasy purposes this season for the most part:

WK 1 - Bijan Robinson (12-24-0 rush, 6-100-1 rec) & Tyler Allgeier (10-24-0 rush)
WK 2 - Nick Chubb (12-43-1 rush, 2-29-0 rec)
WK 3 - Breece Hall (9-21-0 rush, 4-31-0 rec) & Braelon Allen (6-30-0 rush, 2-17-0 rec)
WK 4 - Saquon Barkley (19-43-1 rush, 4-31-0 rec)
WK 5 - Kenneth Walker III (10-86-0 rush, 1-0-0 rec) & Zach Charbonnet (9-36-1 rush, 1-12-0 rec)
WK 6 - Christian McCaffrey (17-54-1 rush, 7-57-0 rec)
WK 7 - Jahmyr Gibbs (17-136-2 rush, 3-82-0 rec) & David Montgomery (13-21-0 rush, 2-18-0 rec)
WK 8 - Alvin Kamara (6-21-0 rush, 2-24-0 rec)

Not a lot of yards but they can be scored on at least
 
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1h

#Patriots Garrett Bradbury (hip) and DT Joshua Farmer (ankle) are back at practice on Thursday. WR Kayshon Boutte (hamstring), RB Rhamondre Stevenson (toe), and LB Christian Elliss (hip) remain absent. We did see Stevenson observing practice. Not participating.

Fire up the Tiny P's (and/or Terry Jennings)
I'd say either one is a desperation flex for this week. The Bucs defense has been tough on opposing RBs for fantasy purposes this season for the most part:

WK 1 - Bijan Robinson (12-24-0 rush, 6-100-1 rec) & Tyler Allgeier (10-24-0 rush)
WK 2 - Nick Chubb (12-43-1 rush, 2-29-0 rec)
WK 3 - Breece Hall (9-21-0 rush, 4-31-0 rec) & Braelon Allen (6-30-0 rush, 2-17-0 rec)
WK 4 - Saquon Barkley (19-43-1 rush, 4-31-0 rec)
WK 5 - Kenneth Walker III (10-86-0 rush, 1-0-0 rec) & Zach Charbonnet (9-36-1 rush, 1-12-0 rec)
WK 6 - Christian McCaffrey (17-54-1 rush, 7-57-0 rec)
WK 7 - Jahmyr Gibbs (17-136-2 rush, 3-82-0 rec) & David Montgomery (13-21-0 rush, 2-18-0 rec)
WK 8 - Alvin Kamara (6-21-0 rush, 2-24-0 rec)

Not a lot of yards but they can be scored on at least
Gibbs, McCaffrey, Saquon & Bijan all had very good games against them.

Henderson is obviously as good as those guys so...

:unsure:
 
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@ezlazar
1h

#Patriots Garrett Bradbury (hip) and DT Joshua Farmer (ankle) are back at practice on Thursday. WR Kayshon Boutte (hamstring), RB Rhamondre Stevenson (toe), and LB Christian Elliss (hip) remain absent. We did see Stevenson observing practice. Not participating.

Fire up the Tiny P's (and/or Terry Jennings)
I'd say either one is a desperation flex for this week. The Bucs defense has been tough on opposing RBs for fantasy purposes this season for the most part:

WK 1 - Bijan Robinson (12-24-0 rush, 6-100-1 rec) & Tyler Allgeier (10-24-0 rush)
WK 2 - Nick Chubb (12-43-1 rush, 2-29-0 rec)
WK 3 - Breece Hall (9-21-0 rush, 4-31-0 rec) & Braelon Allen (6-30-0 rush, 2-17-0 rec)
WK 4 - Saquon Barkley (19-43-1 rush, 4-31-0 rec)
WK 5 - Kenneth Walker III (10-86-0 rush, 1-0-0 rec) & Zach Charbonnet (9-36-1 rush, 1-12-0 rec)
WK 6 - Christian McCaffrey (17-54-1 rush, 7-57-0 rec)
WK 7 - Jahmyr Gibbs (17-136-2 rush, 3-82-0 rec) & David Montgomery (13-21-0 rush, 2-18-0 rec)
WK 8 - Alvin Kamara (6-21-0 rush, 2-24-0 rec)

Not a lot of yards but they can be scored on at least
I wouldn’t call 21st that tough
 
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@ezlazar
1h

#Patriots Garrett Bradbury (hip) and DT Joshua Farmer (ankle) are back at practice on Thursday. WR Kayshon Boutte (hamstring), RB Rhamondre Stevenson (toe), and LB Christian Elliss (hip) remain absent. We did see Stevenson observing practice. Not participating.

Fire up the Tiny P's (and/or Terry Jennings)
I'd say either one is a desperation flex for this week. The Bucs defense has been tough on opposing RBs for fantasy purposes this season for the most part:

WK 1 - Bijan Robinson (12-24-0 rush, 6-100-1 rec) & Tyler Allgeier (10-24-0 rush)
WK 2 - Nick Chubb (12-43-1 rush, 2-29-0 rec)
WK 3 - Breece Hall (9-21-0 rush, 4-31-0 rec) & Braelon Allen (6-30-0 rush, 2-17-0 rec)
WK 4 - Saquon Barkley (19-43-1 rush, 4-31-0 rec)
WK 5 - Kenneth Walker III (10-86-0 rush, 1-0-0 rec) & Zach Charbonnet (9-36-1 rush, 1-12-0 rec)
WK 6 - Christian McCaffrey (17-54-1 rush, 7-57-0 rec)
WK 7 - Jahmyr Gibbs (17-136-2 rush, 3-82-0 rec) & David Montgomery (13-21-0 rush, 2-18-0 rec)
WK 8 - Alvin Kamara (6-21-0 rush, 2-24-0 rec)

Not a lot of yards but they can be scored on at least
I wouldn’t call 21st that tough
That's fair, they are only 21st best against fantasy RBs, hence why I mentioned they can be scored on. But it seems like that's what it'll take for Henderson to put up a fantasy-worthy start this week. The elite guys (Bijan, Barkley, CMC, Gibbs) all hit pay dirt. The Bucs have allowed the 7th fewest rushing yards this season and Henderson has had disappointing usage so far, especially as a receiving back. The encouraging thing is 18 touches and 87 scrimmage yards last week were both season-highs for him so we'd like to see more of that. Whether the game script will allow for that remains to be seen.
 
https://x.com/ezlazar
@ezlazar
1h

#Patriots Garrett Bradbury (hip) and DT Joshua Farmer (ankle) are back at practice on Thursday. WR Kayshon Boutte (hamstring), RB Rhamondre Stevenson (toe), and LB Christian Elliss (hip) remain absent. We did see Stevenson observing practice. Not participating.

Fire up the Tiny P's (and/or Terry Jennings)
I'd say either one is a desperation flex for this week. The Bucs defense has been tough on opposing RBs for fantasy purposes this season for the most part:

WK 1 - Bijan Robinson (12-24-0 rush, 6-100-1 rec) & Tyler Allgeier (10-24-0 rush)
WK 2 - Nick Chubb (12-43-1 rush, 2-29-0 rec)
WK 3 - Breece Hall (9-21-0 rush, 4-31-0 rec) & Braelon Allen (6-30-0 rush, 2-17-0 rec)
WK 4 - Saquon Barkley (19-43-1 rush, 4-31-0 rec)
WK 5 - Kenneth Walker III (10-86-0 rush, 1-0-0 rec) & Zach Charbonnet (9-36-1 rush, 1-12-0 rec)
WK 6 - Christian McCaffrey (17-54-1 rush, 7-57-0 rec)
WK 7 - Jahmyr Gibbs (17-136-2 rush, 3-82-0 rec) & David Montgomery (13-21-0 rush, 2-18-0 rec)
WK 8 - Alvin Kamara (6-21-0 rush, 2-24-0 rec)

Not a lot of yards but they can be scored on at least
I wouldn’t call 21st that tough
That's fair, they are only 21st best against fantasy RBs, hence why I mentioned they can be scored on. But it seems like that's what it'll take for Henderson to put up a fantasy-worthy start this week. The elite guys (Bijan, Barkley, CMC, Gibbs) all hit pay dirt. The Bucs have allowed the 7th fewest rushing yards this season and Henderson has had disappointing usage so far, especially as a receiving back. The encouraging thing is 18 touches and 87 scrimmage yards last week were both season-highs for him so we'd like to see more of that. Whether the game script will allow for that remains to be seen.
Bucs are no doubt good against the run. Vita Vea alone makes sure of that. I think where they can be gotten is receiving and outside the tackles. Treveyon should shine there.
 
The season from fell for Henderson owners. Jennings gets hurt, Henderson gets two carries at the one, can’t punch either in.
 
“Dammit! Scored too fast. Get Jennings back in there! STAT!!

“And don’t throw it to Williams anymore. Another rookie that doesn’t understand scoring too fast!”

Mike Vrabel
 
It appears he was looking to Vrabel to see if he should score.

Given that Tampa Bay has two timeouts left, it may be right to score. If they had no timeouts, then he should go down.
 

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