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RB Trey Sermon, IND (1 Viewer)

I own Taylor in a few spots and have no interest in Sermon. He's not JT. Taylor has been really good this year but I don't think he has had much help.
 
I own Taylor in a few spots and have no interest in Sermon. He's not JT. Taylor has been really good this year but I don't think he has had much help.
I've thought Sermon has looked good at times :shrug:
To be fair, it really depends on who else you have. Obviously, he is better than some other options.

The only #2 guys available in my 24x12 dynasty, based on the current fbg depth chart:

Demarcado -- ignore (Benson)
Foreman -- meh (Chubb?)
Emmanuel Wilson -- intrigued, but Lloyd in the mix
Miles Sanders -- (Brooks) kind of interested in scooping ahead of the trade deadline
Sermon

Sermon would have been high on my stash list without the JT injury. There are definitely inferior RBs being rostered in that league. We have early Monday night waivers and I was surprised nobody made a bid. Intrigued enough that my 0-4 team gave its K the boot to see where this goes.

If JT sits for a game, any chance Goodson crashes the party? I know he had his fans in Green Bay, but that was an injury and some time ago.
 
They've gotta have some run game or ol Flacco will get beat up.
(Hip pointers make ya feel and move like an old man so I don't expect Richardson this week.)

I really question their GMs choices of depth backs so imo it's Sermon's day.

JohnnyU saying don't break the bank is about my thought and his love for the Colts confirms it for me.
 
I own Taylor in a few spots and have no interest in Sermon. He's not JT. Taylor has been really good this year but I don't think he has had much help.
I've thought Sermon has looked good at times :shrug:
To be fair, it really depends on who else you have. Obviously, he is better than some other options.

The only #2 guys available in my 24x12 dynasty, based on the current fbg depth chart:

Demarcado -- ignore (Benson)
Foreman -- meh (Chubb?)
Emmanuel Wilson -- intrigued, but Lloyd in the mix
Miles Sanders -- (Brooks) kind of interested in scooping ahead of the trade deadline
Sermon

Sermon would have been high on my stash list without the JT injury. There are definitely inferior RBs being rostered in that league. We have early Monday night waivers and I was surprised nobody made a bid. Intrigued enough that my 0-4 team gave its K the boot to see where this goes.

If JT sits for a game, any chance Goodson crashes the party? I know he had his fans in Green Bay, but that was an injury and some time ago.
As a Colts homer, I don't think Goodson is a threat to be #2, but he would get mixed in. That is to be expected, but how much? I don't think enough to matter to be honest. At the beginning of the season I believe I like Goodson more, but not so much now.
 
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I own Taylor in a few spots and have no interest in Sermon. He's not JT. Taylor has been really good this year but I don't think he has had much help.
I've thought Sermon has looked good at times :shrug:
To be fair, it really depends on who else you have. Obviously, he is better than some other options.

The only #2 guys available in my 24x12 dynasty, based on the current fbg depth chart:

Demarcado -- ignore (Benson)
Foreman -- meh (Chubb?)
Emmanuel Wilson -- intrigued, but Lloyd in the mix
Miles Sanders -- (Brooks) kind of interested in scooping ahead of the trade deadline
Sermon

Sermon would have been high on my stash list without the JT injury. There are definitely inferior RBs being rostered in that league. We have early Monday night waivers and I was surprised nobody made a bid. Intrigued enough that my 0-4 team gave its K the boot to see where this goes.

If JT sits for a game, any chance Goodson crashes the party? I know he had his fans in Green Bay, but that was an injury and some time ago.
As a Colts homer, I don't think Goodson is a threat to be #2, but he would get mixed in. That is to be expected, but how much? I don't think enough to matter to be honest. At the beginning of the season I believe I like Goodson more, but so much now.
Yeah, obviously a 2nd rb will mix in if JT sits, and it would stand to be Goodson. Just hoping that it's minimal enough that we get another look at what Sermon can do with 17 carries+, like he got at the end of last season.

Long-term, what am I hoping for if JT is back in 2 weeks fully healthy? I guess the pie in the sky is a repeat of the Zak Moss resurrection. Left for dead, that son of a gun actually did enough in a Colts backup role to land the #1 job in an NFL offense. Doubt there's any chance of lighting striking twice, but no harm in seeing what happens with a big workload if JT sits.
 
I own Taylor in a few spots and have no interest in Sermon. He's not JT. Taylor has been really good this year but I don't think he has had much help.
I've thought Sermon has looked good at times :shrug:
To be fair, it really depends on who else you have. Obviously, he is better than some other options.

The only #2 guys available in my 24x12 dynasty, based on the current fbg depth chart:

Demarcado -- ignore (Benson)
Foreman -- meh (Chubb?)
Emmanuel Wilson -- intrigued, but Lloyd in the mix
Miles Sanders -- (Brooks) kind of interested in scooping ahead of the trade deadline
Sermon

Sermon would have been high on my stash list without the JT injury. There are definitely inferior RBs being rostered in that league. We have early Monday night waivers and I was surprised nobody made a bid. Intrigued enough that my 0-4 team gave its K the boot to see where this goes.

If JT sits for a game, any chance Goodson crashes the party? I know he had his fans in Green Bay, but that was an injury and some time ago.
As a Colts homer, I don't think Goodson is a threat to be #2, but he would get mixed in. That is to be expected, but how much? I don't think enough to matter to be honest. At the beginning of the season I believe I like Goodson more, but so much now.
Yeah, obviously a 2nd rb will mix in if JT sits, and it would stand to be Goodson. Just hoping that it's minimal enough that we get another look at what Sermon can do with 17 carries+, like he got at the end of last season.

Long-term, what am I hoping for if JT is back in 2 weeks fully healthy? I guess the pie in the sky is a repeat of the Zak Moss resurrection. Left for dead, that son of a gun actually did enough in a Colts backup role to land the #1 job in an NFL offense. Doubt there's any chance of lighting striking twice, but no harm in seeing what happens with a big workload if JT sits.
Zach Moss resurrection? #1? He's averaging 3.89 ypc and Chase Brown looks like a stud.
 
I own Taylor in a few spots and have no interest in Sermon. He's not JT. Taylor has been really good this year but I don't think he has had much help.
I've thought Sermon has looked good at times :shrug:
To be fair, it really depends on who else you have. Obviously, he is better than some other options.

The only #2 guys available in my 24x12 dynasty, based on the current fbg depth chart:

Demarcado -- ignore (Benson)
Foreman -- meh (Chubb?)
Emmanuel Wilson -- intrigued, but Lloyd in the mix
Miles Sanders -- (Brooks) kind of interested in scooping ahead of the trade deadline
Sermon

Sermon would have been high on my stash list without the JT injury. There are definitely inferior RBs being rostered in that league. We have early Monday night waivers and I was surprised nobody made a bid. Intrigued enough that my 0-4 team gave its K the boot to see where this goes.

If JT sits for a game, any chance Goodson crashes the party? I know he had his fans in Green Bay, but that was an injury and some time ago.
As a Colts homer, I don't think Goodson is a threat to be #2, but he would get mixed in. That is to be expected, but how much? I don't think enough to matter to be honest. At the beginning of the season I believe I like Goodson more, but so much now.
Yeah, obviously a 2nd rb will mix in if JT sits, and it would stand to be Goodson. Just hoping that it's minimal enough that we get another look at what Sermon can do with 17 carries+, like he got at the end of last season.

Long-term, what am I hoping for if JT is back in 2 weeks fully healthy? I guess the pie in the sky is a repeat of the Zak Moss resurrection. Left for dead, that son of a gun actually did enough in a Colts backup role to land the #1 job in an NFL offense. Doubt there's any chance of lighting striking twice, but no harm in seeing what happens with a big workload if JT sits.
Zach Moss resurrection? #1? He's averaging 3.89 ypc and Chase Brown looks like a stud.

Does it require an explanation? A laughable use of a dynasty roster spot after flaming out in Buffalo. Multiple 100-yard performances in fill-in duty as a Colt, culminating in signing with Cincy as the defacto 1a. A chance to fill the shoes of Joe Mixon on a pretty good offense. The main competition was a rb selected in the 5th round. I sure wasn't the guy targeting him for re-draft this season and Chase Brown's upside was no mystery entering the year. But from a dynasty perspective, the fact that Moss pulled himself from the depths of nothingness to the top of any NFL depth chart was nothing short of miraculous, regardless of the fact that it might already be over.
 
Now we need to see who the QB is going to be this week, I would think AR will be better for Sermon vs Flacco slinging it all day.
 
I have Taylor and Sermon is sitting out there as a free agent. I'm starting ETN and Najee.
I don't think he will do enough to cut one of my players and start him over the other two. I think Taylor is back within two weeks.
 
I really think I am going to start him over Achane and Hill this week.
Not saying I disagree with you, but if you come out of that looking foolish, I would probably have kept it to myself to avoid the ridicule if either Achane or
I have Taylor and Sermon is sitting out there as a free agent. I'm starting ETN and Najee.
I don't think he will do enough to cut one of my players and start him over the other two. I think Taylor is back within two weeks.
That’s a lot of moving parts.
 
I really think I am going to start him over Achane and Hill this week.
Not saying I disagree with you, but if you come out of that looking foolish, I would probably have kept it to myself to avoid the ridicule if either Achane or
I have Taylor and Sermon is sitting out there as a free agent. I'm starting ETN and Najee.
I don't think he will do enough to cut one of my players and start him over the other two. I think Taylor is back within two weeks.
That’s a lot of moving parts.
Not really. My RB's are Taylor, ETN, Dobbins and Najee. I'm not dropping one of those guys to rent Sermon for two weeks.
 
I really think I am going to start him over Achane and Hill this week.
Not saying I disagree with you, but if you come out of that looking foolish, I would probably have kept it to myself to avoid the ridicule if either Achane or
I have Taylor and Sermon is sitting out there as a free agent. I'm starting ETN and Najee.
I don't think he will do enough to cut one of my players and start him over the other two. I think Taylor is back within two weeks.
That’s a lot of moving parts.
Not really. My RB's are Taylor, ETN, Dobbins and Najee. I'm not dropping one of those guys to rent Sermon for two weeks.
Yeah, I know what you were saying. I wouldn’t either.
 
I wish I had a share of Sermon. I do not. I really hope he uses this week's game to show folks he really has what it takes to be a lead back in the NFL.

It happens more often than not, I am aware but, I do not want to see his talent squandered. It appears to me more and more like he'll travel a road similar to Raheem Mostert, or not.
 
I am starting him over Akers, simply because I think he will see more in the passing game.
He's caught 7 passes in his entire career.
Trey Sermon has been targeted on 4% of his lifetime snaps, while Cam Akers sits at 5% (very similar). But I think Dare Ogunbowale steals more targets from Cam Akers than Tyler Goodson does from Trey Sermon. Dare is a pass-catching specialist who has 140 lifetime rushes and 130 lifetime targets. Tyler Goodson has 87 lifetime rushes and 10 lifetime targets.
 
I am starting him over Akers, simply because I think he will see more in the passing game.
He's caught 7 passes in his entire career.
Trey Sermon has been targeted on 4% of his lifetime snaps, while Cam Akers sits at 5% (very similar). But I think Dare Ogunbowale steals more targets from Cam Akers than Tyler Goodson does from Trey Sermon. Dare is a pass-catching specialist who has 140 lifetime rushes and 130 lifetime targets. Tyler Goodson has 87 lifetime rushes and 10 lifetime targets.
I made the same decision for the same reasons.
 
I really think I am going to start him over Achane and Hill this week.
Not saying I disagree with you, but if you come out of that looking foolish, I would probably have kept it to myself to avoid the ridicule if either Achane or
I have Taylor and Sermon is sitting out there as a free agent. I'm starting ETN and Najee.
I don't think he will do enough to cut one of my players and start him over the other two. I think Taylor is back within two weeks.
That’s a lot of moving parts.
Meh. It’s just ridicule by people hiding behind keyboards. I get your point though.

Achane has 21 carries for 45 yards, and 6 catches for 42 yards the past 2 games. That’s 10 points total in half PPR. Add to that Mostert coming back, so his opportunities get more limited.

Miami is easily the worst offense in the league right now. I think any decision is a reasonable one. I will likely start him and regret it again.
 
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I am starting him over Akers, simply because I think he will see more in the passing game.
He's caught 7 passes in his entire career.
Trey Sermon has been targeted on 4% of his lifetime snaps, while Cam Akers sits at 5% (very similar). But I think Dare Ogunbowale steals more targets from Cam Akers than Tyler Goodson does from Trey Sermon. Dare is a pass-catching specialist who has 140 lifetime rushes and 130 lifetime targets. Tyler Goodson has 87 lifetime rushes and 10 lifetime targets.
I don’t know.

Steichen said it was going to be a RBBC.

We got glimpse of a Sermon/Goodson backfield for most of week 15 last year.

Sermon got 18 carries. Zero targets.

Goodson got 11 carries. Two targets.

Expected to be raining most of the game.

I’m going with Sermon a few places myself but not because of passing game usage.
 
I am starting him over Akers, simply because I think he will see more in the passing game.
He's caught 7 passes in his entire career.
Trey Sermon has been targeted on 4% of his lifetime snaps, while Cam Akers sits at 5% (very similar). But I think Dare Ogunbowale steals more targets from Cam Akers than Tyler Goodson does from Trey Sermon. Dare is a pass-catching specialist who has 140 lifetime rushes and 130 lifetime targets. Tyler Goodson has 87 lifetime rushes and 10 lifetime targets.
I don’t know.

Steichen said it was going to be a RBBC.

We got glimpse of a Sermon/Goodson backfield for most of week 15 last year.

Sermon got 18 carries. Zero targets.

Goodson got 11 carries. Two targets.

Expected to be raining most of the game.

I’m going with Sermon a few places myself but not because of passing game usage.
The split backfield has me rethinking starting him. It really comes down to goal line opportunities.
 
I wish I had a share of Sermon. I do not. I really hope he uses this week's game to show folks he really has what it takes to be a lead back in the NFL.

It happens more often than not, I am aware but, I do not want to see his talent squandered. It appears to me more and more like he'll travel a road similar to Raheem Mostert, or not.

I think it's really optimistic to think he'll ever be Mostert, Ruffrodys. How you doing by the way? I hope things are excellent.
 
I don’t know.

Steichen said it was going to be a RBBC.

Anyone ever really seen Goodson run? He looks good. He can move a bit. I don't know. Sermon hasn't exactly lit it up when he's been in the games in the pros. He had one good game, IIRC. Of course, I'm just jealous I don't roster him and get to start him, but back to Goodson.


 
I don’t know.

Steichen said it was going to be a RBBC.

Anyone ever really seen Goodson run? He looks good. He can move a bit. I don't know. Sermon hasn't exactly lit it up when he's been in the games in the pros. He had one good game, IIRC. Of course, I'm just jealous I don't roster him and get to start him, but back to Goodson.


Mods please move this post to the Goodson thread. This thread is all about how awesome Sermon is. Ha ha
 
I don’t know.

Steichen said it was going to be a RBBC.

Anyone ever really seen Goodson run? He looks good. He can move a bit. I don't know. Sermon hasn't exactly lit it up when he's been in the games in the pros. He had one good game, IIRC. Of course, I'm just jealous I don't roster him and get to start him, but back to Goodson.


Mods please move this post to the Goodson thread. This thread is all about how awesome Sermon is. Ha ha

Oh Lordy I am indeed out of place. I was just having general discussion, but I brought all this peanut butter to the chocolate party and made it a mixed-up snack.
 
I don’t know.

Steichen said it was going to be a RBBC.

Anyone ever really seen Goodson run? He looks good. He can move a bit. I don't know. Sermon hasn't exactly lit it up when he's been in the games in the pros. He had one good game, IIRC. Of course, I'm just jealous I don't roster him and get to start him, but back to Goodson.


I picked up Goodson in a few leagues when waivers ran Wednesday. Was actually in my lineup in one league but I swung a trade for Mostert and pulled him. I'd take Sermon between the two but FAAB bidding was high for Trey and Goodson usually had no one else bidding but me and that was rare, he's sitting out there in 90% of my leagues.

I'm not excited about any of them. I was sitting on Sermon in my league I have Taylor and picked him up in two other leagues. Both of those leagues I have Tracy and so long as I feel good that Singletary is out I'm going with Tracy and my main holdup on Sermon is the lack of passing game involvment which is why I commented on Winz saying he was going with him due to his passing game work. That was not jiving with my data.
 
Both of those leagues I have Tracy and so long as I feel good that Singletary is out I'm going with Tracy and my main holdup on Sermon is the lack of passing game involvment which is why I commented on Winz saying he was going with him due to his passing game work. That was not jiving with my data.

I was just quoting you to show that I don't think Steichen is kidding when he says committee-based. I'd imagine Sermon gets lead and Goodson is more two-minute drill and passing downs, but last time Taylor and Moss missed, a committee is what they deployed.

eta* I know Moss is no longer there, btw
 
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Both of those leagues I have Tracy and so long as I feel good that Singletary is out I'm going with Tracy and my main holdup on Sermon is the lack of passing game involvment which is why I commented on Winz saying he was going with him due to his passing game work. That was not jiving with my data.

I was just quoting you to show that I don't think Steichen is kidding when he says reasonable committee. I'd imagine Sermon gets lead and Goodson is more two-minute drill and passing downs, but last time Taylor and Moss missed, a committee is what they deployed.

eta* I know Moss is no longer there, btw
Agreed and I had actually forgot that game last year and before Stiechen made that comment I read a Colts beat writer who broke down their usage last year. Before that I honestly could not have told you without looking it up who was the third RB on the Colts, but after I read about their usage I went and put in bids for Goodson.
 
I'm not excited about any of them. I was sitting on Sermon in my league I have Taylor and picked him up in two other leagues. Both of those leagues I have Tracy and so long as I feel good that Singletary is out I'm going with Tracy and my main holdup on Sermon is the lack of passing game involvment which is why I commented on Winz saying he was going with him due to his passing game work. That was not jiving with my data.
I am starting him over Akers, simply because I think he will see more in the passing game.
As I said, I think Sermon will see more than Akers in the passing game, not that that's alot. It wasn't even Sermon or Akers that made me make that decision - it was Ogunbowale. Just look at his stats and it's clear he is a pass-catching specialist. I still expect Ogunbowale to eat into Akers' passing downs more than Goodson eats into Sermon's. But as you, rockaction, and jurrassic have pointed out, I haven't really looked enough into Goodson eating into the total pie for Sermon. Perhaps it'll be more of a RBBC and I have rose glasses because I have crappy options this week.
 
I don’t know.

Steichen said it was going to be a RBBC.

Anyone ever really seen Goodson run? He looks good. He can move a bit. I don't know. Sermon hasn't exactly lit it up when he's been in the games in the pros. He had one good game, IIRC. Of course, I'm just jealous I don't roster him and get to start him, but back to Goodson.


I ended up picking up Goodson instead and think if you had to play one he's the one who will end up at least GL opportunity. I have a big decision on my 2 RB and possible flex spot over Odunze with him, Akers,Allen and Dowdle or start 3 and put Odunze on the bench.
 
I don’t know.

Steichen said it was going to be a RBBC.

Anyone ever really seen Goodson run? He looks good. He can move a bit. I don't know. Sermon hasn't exactly lit it up when he's been in the games in the pros. He had one good game, IIRC. Of course, I'm just jealous I don't roster him and get to start him, but back to Goodson.


I really liked Goodson when he was on the Packers and thought he was going to stick, but if memory serves he got injured and we moved on.

I too, am on the Sermon/Achane decision cycle today. Vegas odds have Sermon at-115 to score a TD and about 50 or 60 yds rush/rec.

Achane is +160 for a TD and 75yds even money.
 
I don’t know.

Steichen said it was going to be a RBBC.

Anyone ever really seen Goodson run? He looks good. He can move a bit. I don't know. Sermon hasn't exactly lit it up when he's been in the games in the pros. He had one good game, IIRC. Of course, I'm just jealous I don't roster him and get to start him, but back to Goodson.


I really liked Goodson when he was on the Packers and thought he was going to stick, but if memory serves he got injured and we moved on.

I too, am on the Sermon/Achane decision cycle today. Vegas odds have Sermon at-115 to score a TD and about 50 or 60 yds rush/rec.

Achane is +160 for a TD and 75yds even money.
Do people really pay that much attention to Vegas odds of scoring a TD? I know I don't.
 
I don’t know.

Steichen said it was going to be a RBBC.

Anyone ever really seen Goodson run? He looks good. He can move a bit. I don't know. Sermon hasn't exactly lit it up when he's been in the games in the pros. He had one good game, IIRC. Of course, I'm just jealous I don't roster him and get to start him, but back to Goodson.


I really liked Goodson when he was on the Packers and thought he was going to stick, but if memory serves he got injured and we moved on.

I too, am on the Sermon/Achane decision cycle today. Vegas odds have Sermon at-115 to score a TD and about 50 or 60 yds rush/rec.

Achane is +160 for a TD and 75yds even money.
Do people really pay that much attention to Vegas odds of scoring a TD? I know I don't.
I've read it's a decent metric for deciding between two players for start/sit. First year I'm trying it TBH. It helped last week in deciding between an injured Love and Geno...
 

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