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RB/WR Ty Montgomery, NE (1 Viewer)

Wtf was Ty doing on that TD to Cobb. He misses a chip block and then turns around and runs back toward the the backfield

 
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Just Win Baby said:
Halfway through the first quarter in GB, Ty has already outscored Dez for the week. :banned:
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Wow ... nice call. the bad news is Dez sux without Romo so while you win, you also sorta lose since he's on your team. Doesn't  look like Dak is going anywhere.

 
Morton Muffley said:
Only hope is that McCarthy is kidnapped and replaced with someone who has half a brain
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It blows my mind that your team finally does something offensively while using `Ty in the backfield, so you decide to trick everybody and just stop doing it. 

 
Tommy Collins said:
It blows my mind that your team finally does something offensively while using `Ty in the backfield, so you decide to trick everybody and just stop doing it. 
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I have a feeling they were limiting his hits, and are going to evaluate the situation this week. If all checks out, it wouldn't shock me to see his usage sky rocket next week.

 
tricky92 said:
I have a feeling they were limiting his hits, and are going to evaluate the situation this week. If all checks out, it wouldn't shock me to see his usage sky rocket next week.
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This is a good point that I think most of us have overlooked. Maybe they were limiting his hits. At least, as a Montgomery owner, that's what I'd like to think it was.

 
KingPrawn said:
This is a good point that I think most of us have overlooked. Maybe they were limiting his hits. At least, as a Montgomery owner, that's what I'd like to think it was.
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It seems logical, but I would be lying if I didn't say that I was motivated to think this way being a Montgomery owner myself :-)

 
tricky92 said:
It seems logical, but I would be lying if I didn't say that I was motivated to think this way being a Montgomery owner myself :-)
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The problem with this "logical" thinking is that for it to hold they would have had to have used him correctly, but sparingly.  While they used him sparingly, the most certainly did NOT use him correctly.  He was barely used in the passing game as Rodgers seemed intent on making EVERY completion a 40 yarder.  Perhaps Rodgers thought there was some yardage bonus that would be applied.  In any case, I think McCarthy worked really hard to call a game that produced Montgomery's floor.  That takes a special talent.  Not to mention making the Indy defense look like a legit NFL defense.  This stuff doesn't just happen people, it takes work to make those happen!

 
I think as long as Jordy, Cobb, and Adams are on the field, this is what you are going to get. He is still fourth in the pecking order as far as targets and his carries will probably be limited to the 6-12 range.  He needs to move up to third, and I doubt that happens unless on the above gets hurt.  He is flex play with potential depending on how the defense defends Green Bay.

 
Morton Muffley said:
The problem with this "logical" thinking is that for it to hold they would have had to have used him correctly, but sparingly.  While they used him sparingly, the most certainly did NOT use him correctly.  He was barely used in the passing game as Rodgers seemed intent on making EVERY completion a 40 yarder.  Perhaps Rodgers thought there was some yardage bonus that would be applied.  In any case, I think McCarthy worked really hard to call a game that produced Montgomery's floor.  That takes a special talent.  Not to mention making the Indy defense look like a legit NFL defense.  This stuff doesn't just happen people, it takes work to make those happen!
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That was my take on it  as well. He just kept looking deep all game. And whenever he does, he's waiting a long time to find anybody, and usually doesn't. He's done that throughout the year and it rarely pans out. Why are they still trying to throw it deep? It ends up being Rodgers keeping the play alive for 10 seconds while there is still nobody open. In the NFL if you can get that kind of protection for that long, the coverage is going to break at some point, but not for GB. There is something seriously flawed with that offense. And knowing that you can't go deep, why do you continue to try to? 

I was not a big Manziel fan, but if he were ever going to succeed in the NFL, it would be behind this OL. There is so much time to throw and an offense that consists of consistent broken plays is what he would need to succeed. It's the only thing he did well, besides getting hammered.

 
Morton Muffley said:
The problem with this "logical" thinking is that for it to hold they would have had to have used him correctly, but sparingly.  While they used him sparingly, the most certainly did NOT use him correctly.  He was barely used in the passing game as Rodgers seemed intent on making EVERY completion a 40 yarder.  Perhaps Rodgers thought there was some yardage bonus that would be applied.  In any case, I think McCarthy worked really hard to call a game that produced Montgomery's floor.  That takes a special talent.  Not to mention making the Indy defense look like a legit NFL defense.  This stuff doesn't just happen people, it takes work to make those happen!
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Confirmed on Rotoworld, Montgomery was on a touch and snap count this week.

 
I'm sitting Montgomery until the Packers figure their stuff out. If I owned any packers not named Aaron Rodgers or Jordy Nelson they'd be on my bench. And the only reason Jordy is in is because I'd prob be counting on him as a WR1/2 and couldn't afford to bench him. 

Too many ? about this team

 
Tommy Collins said:
That was my take on it  as well. He just kept looking deep all game. And whenever he does, he's waiting a long time to find anybody, and usually doesn't. He's done that throughout the year and it rarely pans out. Why are they still trying to throw it deep? It ends up being Rodgers keeping the play alive for 10 seconds while there is still nobody open. In the NFL if you can get that kind of protection for that long, the coverage is going to break at some point, but not for GB. There is something seriously flawed with that offense. And knowing that you can't go deep, why do you continue to try to? 

I was not a big Manziel fan, but if he were ever going to succeed in the NFL, it would be behind this OL. There is so much time to throw and an offense that consists of consistent broken plays is what he would need to succeed. It's the only thing he did well, besides getting hammered.
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One of the last plays of the game was a long bomb to Nelson in double coverage. Montgomery was open in his crossing route for the 1st down. 

The game was called away from using that strength. It looked like a bad game of Madden

 
Dr. Brew said:
I'm sitting Montgomery until the Packers figure their stuff out. If I owned any packers not named Aaron Rodgers or Jordy Nelson they'd be on my bench. And the only reason Jordy is in is because I'd prob be counting on him as a WR1/2 and couldn't afford to bench him. 

Too many ? about this team
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I got almost 10 points out of Montgomery on a very limited and deliberate snap count... I'm trotting him back out there again this week. He's in my flex spot so I can probably afford it. 

 
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tricky92 said:
I got almost 10 points out of Montgomery on a very limited and deliberate snap count... I'm trotting him back out there again this week. He's in my flex spot so I can probably afford it. 
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Yes but I also left 22 on my bench with Ajayi, vs the top rushing defense. 

My depth is really good right now that I don't need him in right now. I could play Diggs. or even Booker

 
I was one questioning Montgomery's Rb ability but I thought he looked more capable of doing some running between the tackles this week so I am slowly coming around.  I still think in the long run they may to mix him in as a RB/WR tweener kind of guy which will limit his touches but I think he can carve out a role and hold some long term dynasty value in PPR leagues and should be a RB/WR designated FF player.

 
Dr. Brew said:
Yes but I also left 22 on my bench with Ajayi, vs the top rushing defense. 

My depth is really good right now that I don't need him in right now. I could play Diggs. or even Booker
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Yeah, not sure why you sat Ajayi but I hear ya :-)

I like Montys floor right now over Booker, Ingram, and John Brown so he'll occupy that Flex spot for me. 

 
Warhogs said:
I was one questioning Montgomery's Rb ability but I thought he looked more capable of doing some running between the tackles this week so I am slowly coming around.  I still think in the long run they may to mix him in as a RB/WR tweener kind of guy which will limit his touches but I think he can carve out a role and hold some long term dynasty value in PPR leagues and should be a RB/WR designated FF player.
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I think he would be great in a Riddick type role.

 
tricky92 said:
Yeah, not sure why you sat Ajayi but I hear ya :-)

I like Montys floor right now over Booker, Ingram, and John Brown so he'll occupy that Flex spot for me. 
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Jets are #1 vs the run, before this game...

But yeah I forgot that I have to start Ajayi for Booker since he sucks so far, so I may have Montgomery in. Just hard to trust that coaching staff. They will find a way to screw it up, that's for sure. 

 
Dr. Brew said:
Yes but I also left 22 on my bench with Ajayi, vs the top rushing defense. 

My depth is really good right now that I don't need him in right now. I could play Diggs. or even Booker
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Thats on you for sitting a guy who went for 200 2 games in a row.

 
Dr. Brew said:
Against the #1 rushing D this week. I'm not doing a "point to the shirt" moment. Just pointing out that I have a number of guys I can start, so I may consider benching Montgomery
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Looking more into it though...their Rush D was getting hit here and there lately.

Just hard to not start him how he had been playing.  

I like Montgomery going forward...especially in ppr. 

 
Monty has a really nice floor in PPR because the Packers are going to need to go to him for receptions. His floor is basically what he got this week, which is great for a flex, but we are a little spoiled around here with him I think expectations are high. 

I'll probably roll him out just so I can cheer him on in person

 

 
bicycle_seat_sniffer said:
the cute little trick maybe over if Starks comes back
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Have you watched him play? Starks has never looked as good as Montgomery running the ball. Starks will be Montgomerys back up.

 
the thing about this is according to yahoo he stays running back for remainder of the year if he only plays receiver from here on out.

 
Starks looked like trash ALL year. Now he's coming back from knee surgery, so he's going to take over? 

Well that's an interesting theory.

 
The genie is out of the bottle. Ty Montgomery will continue to play a major role in this offense. Think in terms of a more physical and  explosive Theo Riddick.

 
tricky92 said:
If we're going to play your game... he has looked great in limited touches. When has Starks ever looked great in the NFL?
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I own Montgomery and love the production but I don't think he's looked great running the ball. The targets/receptions are a real plus. Starks has looked like a much better runner back in his day - but those days have passed.

 
Dr. Octopus said:
I own Montgomery and love the production but I don't think he's looked great running the ball. The targets/receptions are a real plus. Starks has looked like a much better runner back in his day - but those days have passed.
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Except for a couple of short yardage situations, he's been picking up chunk plays every time he touches the ball. I'm a half glass full kind of guy, though.

 
Lot of things in play with Ty that make his production (or number of touches) wildly unpredictable IMO:

* Weird game against Indy in that he seemed to be wide open (wide open by NFL standards) on a few plays and Rogers never looked his way and continued to force the ball downfield.

* As another poster mentioned there was that goal line play as well where it "looked" like Ty should have released and been open for an EZ TD. Instead he turned back towards the scrum and awkwardly placed his hands on the backs of defenders.

* Hopefully this "limited snaps" thing is history now. Although I am not convinced that the coaching staff is convinced he is ready for normal RB pounding.

* Not sure how he is viewed in pass protection either. If he is any kind of liability this will contribute to limited snaps.

* With any sizeable lead in the 2nd half I can easily see GB just sending Starks into the pile to run clock and play defense.

I, like others, would love to count on 15-25 touches going forward. It just seems like there is something to derail this every week. I hope I am wrong though.

 
JFS171 said:
Copying this from the Don Jackson thread...

Here's my take on this whole thing (expanding on my brief take last night) -- full disclosure, I own Jackson in every league, and I own Montgomery in most of them (wish I owned him everywhere, and am trying to acquire -- within reason -- prior to Thursday night):

  • At the Combine, Ty Montgomery measured 6', 221lbs and ran a 4.55 40.  More impressively (and if you've seen my posts previously about Agility Scores and how they matter), he posted a 6.97 3-cone with a 4.21 short shuttle -- that's a 11.18 Agility Score at 220+ lbs.  For context, compared to 220lb+ backs in his draft class, that agility score is pretty solid. 

    Malcolm Brown (224lbs) - 6.86 3-Cone; 4.15 Short Shuttle -- 11.01 Agility Score
  • David Johnson (224lbs) - 6.82 3-Cone; 4.27 Short Shuttle -- 11.09 Agility Score
  • Jay Ajayi (221lbs) - 7.10 3-Cone; 4.10 Short Shuttle -- 11.20 Agility Score
  • Zach Zenner (223lbs) - 7.08 3-Cone; 4.14 Short Shuttle -- 11.22 Agility Score
  • Buck Allen (221lbs) - 6.96 3-Cone; 4.28 Short Shuttle -- 11.24 Agility Score
  • TJ Yeldon (226lbs) - 7.19 3-Cone; 4.22 Short Shuttle -- 11.41 Agility Score
  • Karlos Williams (230lbs) - 7.16 3-Cone; 4.46 Short Shuttle -- 11.62 Agility Score (gross - not his game)

[*]Ty Montgomery's draft profile spoke of a guy that could be an excellent RB. 
Montgomery essentially played the Starks role on Sunday afternoon and has a career game.  The commentators on that game mentioned that Aaron Rodgers told them that RB "might be his [Montgomery's] best position."  Starks has kinda sucked all year, but his primary value to the Packers over the last few years has been in the screen game.  Green Bay targets very athletic linemen that can get out on screen plays and block downfield.  Montgomery brought an element of that back last week that's been missing from the offense.  Starks is also out a month, and Lacy could potentially be headed to IR.  Even if Lacy returns in a month, Montgomery's role as the Starks-type back is stable for the next few weeks IMO.  If he shines... well... can't put that genie back in the bottle, as they say.  Starks is averaging 1.8 YPC this year and is 30 years old.  He's not invincible.

[*]Jackson's role in this, IMO, is as the Lacy replacement for the short term.  I don't really know what to expect from Jackson.  I don't think Knile Davis is very good.  The Chiefs obviously don't think he's very good either -- basically selling him for a complete unknown pick in 2 years that may or may not be anything more than a 7th rounder.  He's averaged a whopping 3.3 YPC for his career.  He's not very agile, though he is big and fast.  Can that work in GB?  Truthfully I don't know, but I kinda think we know what we're going to get with Knile Davis.  He'll get what's blocked... that's it.  I almost see him as an emergency guy if Jackson got hurt, or if Montgomery got hut... Davis gives them a warm body at the position so they're not left with going 5 wide the whole time or just playing Ripkowski at RB.
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It may not have been *exactly* right, but I am so very glad that I was high enough on Montgomery to go all-in on this guy in FAAB bidding... I believe this is a long term asset, and I've said before I think there's RB1 potential here.  The receiving ability from the backfield combined with his agility at his size... that's PPR gold.  Yes, he needs to learn the nuances of playing RB... but that can come with time, and the floor of where he already is -- incredibly enticing.

Hat tip to @Dr. Brew is also due here... knowing someone with a close pulse on the team was reading it similarly gave me greater confidence.

 
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I know this has been covered before, but anyone worried that he's not built to carry the load, he's listed anywhere from 6'0 - 6'2 and 216-225lbs. 

McCarthy says 225lb in his presser. 

For reference, James Starks, who some speculate will come and take all the rushing work from Ty cause he's a "real NFL RB" is listed at 6'2 218lbs. 

For contrast with guys that are similar in size, Leveon Bell is 6'1 225lbs. AP 6'1 220lbs. Arian Foster 6'1 227lbs. 

Obviously not comparing Ty's outlook to these guys careers, but the size thing is misunderstood because everyone thinks pass catching backs are small scat-back types. 

Learning the nuances of the position will come with time, but if the Packers decide to give this guy the full load, size is the least of our worries.

Pic for reference: http://www.rotoprofessor.com/football/pictures/Montgomery.jpg

 
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