Not exactly, the reason I posted that clip was in response to someone asking what are the odds that Charbs seizes the main job so there are people are people who are not so sure.
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RB Zach Charbonnet, SEA (4 Viewers)
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satch
Footballguy
Yeah, I suppose that’s true.
I was referring to his trade value not his playing value. You coudnt trade him for a bag of chips right now.
I actually like the guy as a player but with the injuries I would like see see more of Charbs.
taylormeetstheismann
Footballguy
I’ve got a lot of interest in Charbs since I drafted him last year. Some of that is that I got him at a good price and his contract is attractive.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Walker a FA in 2026, Charbonnet in 2026, yes please.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Charbs by a mile.
Very possible. Charbonnet is absolutely somebody to hold in dynasty. But this is 2025.
I'm not so sure. Benson could take over at any moment.
I agree Charbs is the right answer. Just not sure it's "by a mile".
Terpman22
Footballguy
Man I hope so. Super small sample size, but I'll take the 4.6 YPC and 9.7 per reception are juicy numbers if he gets the full gig
I'd actually call them equals, unless I also had Walker or Conner.
I'd agree for two reasons:
1. We know for sure Charbs is good, at minimum good for fantasy pretty much anytime he's been called upon. Benson is unproven.
But the biggest factor
2. Neither is a threat to the incumbent this year. Perhaps Benson could overtake Conner in 2026 but I'd rather gamble on Walker leaving SEA via FA after this season and Charbs owning the job more then I'd bank on Benson decidedly overtaking Conner in 26. Gannon loves Conner.
It would be a mile for me.
FantasyGuru24
Footballguy
Charbs or JMason?
Short term or long term?
I think short term I probably lean Mason but long term I probably lean Charbs
Mason by a mile for me. Both long term and short term, especially short term. Jones/Mason could (and in my opinion will) be a 50-50 split this season. Vikings have a much better offense (team really) than Seattle, and I think Mason is just better.
Mason might be a low-end RB2 right now, Charbonnet is a depth piece until Walker is out/gone.
jm192
Footballguy
Agree strongly with this.
I'm fading Aaron Jones super hard this year. I think Mason is really good and going to take significant work, including the goal line stuff. I'd rather have Mason at cost compared to Jones.
Charb is a high upside handcuff to me. Mason is a flex starter, who moves up a lot with Jones being hurt or ineffective, which I think is fairly likely.
I hope you two are correct as I am likely heading into this season with Chase Brown and Mason as my only two RB's (before the rookie/FA draft) and RB's are hard to come by.
I’m surprised you both see it this way. Truly don’t think it’s close the other way. Like not remotely.
I think they are both high end handcuffs if you told me both starters were out I’d for sure prefer Charbs. I could concede that Mason offers more flex ability but I'd rather have the higher end handcuff (Charbs) over a weak flex and weaker handcuff.
In dynasty Charbs gets an extra boost for his age and I just think he's got an exceptionally larger chance to be a feature back one day.
Mason's just a guy to me. A hard running two down RB who was got forced into action last year and had a few good games.
jm192
Footballguy
I think both RB's are very good should the starter go down.
Mason was the RB7 during weeks 1-7 before sustaining a shoulder injury vs the Cowboys.
I think that explains one area we don't see this the same way as I assume you are looking at this from angle of non-PPR which would close the gap a little.
I got Charbs as starting 8 career games and in PPR scoring he's beating what Mason did in those first 7 games by a few points, though that's not the deciding thing for me between the two and we can certainly agree they are both great handcuffs, possibly the best two( I got Charbs as the top guy) and like I said earlier I think Mason profiles better as a low end flex so he's got that on his side.
Technically, Mason got hurt in the Seattle game in week 6. Mason was RB6 through week 5 in PPR scoring.
I think Mason is a better tackle breaker and is a more explosive runner than Charbonnet. Charbonnet is a better pass catcher, but I don't think he's anything special at it. I wouldn't call either of them good in that aspect. I like that Mason was traded for/extended by his current staff/FO, I think that's another point he has over Charbonnet. Also, to get really deep in the woods, what about Milroe potentially taking rush TDs in the longer term? As an aside dynasty wise, I'm actually counting Walker being in the last year of his deal as a long term plus for Walker, as I think its more likely than not he goes to a better offense if he leaves.
I guess I don't see Charbonnet as anything special. Maybe Mason isn't either, but I feel like he's looked better. Its notable to me that 2 different coaching staffs that have had equal ties to Walker/Charbonnet have both decided Walker is the FAR better option. Walker saw 78% of the carries last season, and 72% in 2023. If anything, it seemed like Macdonald (and maybe this was Grubb, but maybe not) liked Walker even more than Carroll did.
Walkers a stud IMO so to me this is no indictment.
But to me it's notable that Mason was the third string RB last year on SF until injuries helped him rise up, they could have kept him if they really wanted to but took the pick and drafted James instead. One mans trash can be another man's treasure and appears KOC likes him more then Kyle, but also less then Jones if we are going by contract so just saying if we are going to look at them with respect to how their teams view them I think this is all notable.
Mason may be a better tackle breaker but it's hard comp because he ran behind a great system while Charbonnet ran behind a putrid interior OL and that plays a part but I won't push back hard on that. Charbs will get a similar system as Mason had this year, but OL, while better, is still probably off. I don't think Charbs is a special passing down back but he's complete at it and that gets him on the field and it would be very surprising if Mason every equaled his passing down fantasy points. Charb's profiles as a James Conner type to me, was my comp for him coming in and still going with it.
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
I'm surprised these two are even in the same discussion. Charbs looks like a very very likely future feature back in the NFL.
Sure, Mason had a nice stretch of games in San Francisco. Him and a dozen other guys. What are Jeff Wilson and Matt Breida up to these days?
I'm not convinced Mason will be any better than Charbs as a flex play even this year. KW3 has been the clear lead back when healthy but with two years now of Charbs arguably outplaying him and KW3 dealing with injury issues, it's certainly very plausible that Seattle will change that and use them in more of a split this year to keep KW3 healthy and lean on Charbs' more reliable production.
For the future, it's no contest imo. Charbs has draft capital, and has looked good when he played, only blocked from being a feature back by a high draft pick incumbent that is on the last year of his deal and probably unlikely to be re-signed.
Mason only has an aging veteran in front of him but to me he reeks of those guys we see every year where everyone assumes they brought him in to be the future starter but in reality they brought him in as depth and the future starter isn't on the roster yet. He looked great in SF, but so did a lot of other guys that looked a lot less great elsewhere. There's no shame in being stuck behind KW3 or CMC and needing injuries to them to get PT. There is some shame in being stuck behind Jeff Wilson and Eli Mitchell for PT.
Sure, Mason had a nice stretch of games in San Francisco. Him and a dozen other guys. What are Jeff Wilson and Matt Breida up to these days?
I'm not convinced Mason will be any better than Charbs as a flex play even this year. KW3 has been the clear lead back when healthy but with two years now of Charbs arguably outplaying him and KW3 dealing with injury issues, it's certainly very plausible that Seattle will change that and use them in more of a split this year to keep KW3 healthy and lean on Charbs' more reliable production.
For the future, it's no contest imo. Charbs has draft capital, and has looked good when he played, only blocked from being a feature back by a high draft pick incumbent that is on the last year of his deal and probably unlikely to be re-signed.
Mason only has an aging veteran in front of him but to me he reeks of those guys we see every year where everyone assumes they brought him in to be the future starter but in reality they brought him in as depth and the future starter isn't on the roster yet. He looked great in SF, but so did a lot of other guys that looked a lot less great elsewhere. There's no shame in being stuck behind KW3 or CMC and needing injuries to them to get PT. There is some shame in being stuck behind Jeff Wilson and Eli Mitchell for PT.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
I agree, I’d rather have Charbs, but at this point in both careers draft capital doesn’t matter imo.
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
Normally I would agree but in this case I don't think I do. Charbs has lived up to his draft capital in every category except opportunity, which I think is about to change. For Mason I would feel a lot differently about him if he at least had the draft capital to differentiate himself from the other half dozen 49ers RBs that have followed the same path he is currently on.
