Not exactly, the reason I posted that clip was in response to someone asking what are the odds that Charbs seizes the main job so there are people are people who are not so sure.
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RB Zach Charbonnet, SEA (2 Viewers)
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satch
Footballguy
Yeah, I suppose that’s true.
I was referring to his trade value not his playing value. You coudnt trade him for a bag of chips right now.
I actually like the guy as a player but with the injuries I would like see see more of Charbs.
taylormeetstheismann
Footballguy
I’ve got a lot of interest in Charbs since I drafted him last year. Some of that is that I got him at a good price and his contract is attractive.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Walker a FA in 2026, Charbonnet in 2026, yes please.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Charbs by a mile.
Very possible. Charbonnet is absolutely somebody to hold in dynasty. But this is 2025.
I'm not so sure. Benson could take over at any moment.
I agree Charbs is the right answer. Just not sure it's "by a mile".
Terpman22
Footballguy
Man I hope so. Super small sample size, but I'll take the 4.6 YPC and 9.7 per reception are juicy numbers if he gets the full gig
I'd actually call them equals, unless I also had Walker or Conner.
I'd agree for two reasons:
1. We know for sure Charbs is good, at minimum good for fantasy pretty much anytime he's been called upon. Benson is unproven.
But the biggest factor
2. Neither is a threat to the incumbent this year. Perhaps Benson could overtake Conner in 2026 but I'd rather gamble on Walker leaving SEA via FA after this season and Charbs owning the job more then I'd bank on Benson decidedly overtaking Conner in 26. Gannon loves Conner.
It would be a mile for me.
FantasyGuru24
Footballguy
Charbs or JMason?
Short term or long term?
I think short term I probably lean Mason but long term I probably lean Charbs
Mason by a mile for me. Both long term and short term, especially short term. Jones/Mason could (and in my opinion will) be a 50-50 split this season. Vikings have a much better offense (team really) than Seattle, and I think Mason is just better.
Mason might be a low-end RB2 right now, Charbonnet is a depth piece until Walker is out/gone.
jm192
Footballguy
Agree strongly with this.
I'm fading Aaron Jones super hard this year. I think Mason is really good and going to take significant work, including the goal line stuff. I'd rather have Mason at cost compared to Jones.
Charb is a high upside handcuff to me. Mason is a flex starter, who moves up a lot with Jones being hurt or ineffective, which I think is fairly likely.
I hope you two are correct as I am likely heading into this season with Chase Brown and Mason as my only two RB's (before the rookie/FA draft) and RB's are hard to come by.
I’m surprised you both see it this way. Truly don’t think it’s close the other way. Like not remotely.
I think they are both high end handcuffs if you told me both starters were out I’d for sure prefer Charbs. I could concede that Mason offers more flex ability but I'd rather have the higher end handcuff (Charbs) over a weak flex and weaker handcuff.
In dynasty Charbs gets an extra boost for his age and I just think he's got an exceptionally larger chance to be a feature back one day.
Mason's just a guy to me. A hard running two down RB who was got forced into action last year and had a few good games.
jm192
Footballguy
I think both RB's are very good should the starter go down.
Mason was the RB7 during weeks 1-7 before sustaining a shoulder injury vs the Cowboys.
I think that explains one area we don't see this the same way as I assume you are looking at this from angle of non-PPR which would close the gap a little.
I got Charbs as starting 8 career games and in PPR scoring he's beating what Mason did in those first 7 games by a few points, though that's not the deciding thing for me between the two and we can certainly agree they are both great handcuffs, possibly the best two( I got Charbs as the top guy) and like I said earlier I think Mason profiles better as a low end flex so he's got that on his side.
Technically, Mason got hurt in the Seattle game in week 6. Mason was RB6 through week 5 in PPR scoring.
I think Mason is a better tackle breaker and is a more explosive runner than Charbonnet. Charbonnet is a better pass catcher, but I don't think he's anything special at it. I wouldn't call either of them good in that aspect. I like that Mason was traded for/extended by his current staff/FO, I think that's another point he has over Charbonnet. Also, to get really deep in the woods, what about Milroe potentially taking rush TDs in the longer term? As an aside dynasty wise, I'm actually counting Walker being in the last year of his deal as a long term plus for Walker, as I think its more likely than not he goes to a better offense if he leaves.
I guess I don't see Charbonnet as anything special. Maybe Mason isn't either, but I feel like he's looked better. Its notable to me that 2 different coaching staffs that have had equal ties to Walker/Charbonnet have both decided Walker is the FAR better option. Walker saw 78% of the carries last season, and 72% in 2023. If anything, it seemed like Macdonald (and maybe this was Grubb, but maybe not) liked Walker even more than Carroll did.
Walkers a stud IMO so to me this is no indictment.
But to me it's notable that Mason was the third string RB last year on SF until injuries helped him rise up, they could have kept him if they really wanted to but took the pick and drafted James instead. One mans trash can be another man's treasure and appears KOC likes him more then Kyle, but also less then Jones if we are going by contract so just saying if we are going to look at them with respect to how their teams view them I think this is all notable.
Mason may be a better tackle breaker but it's hard comp because he ran behind a great system while Charbonnet ran behind a putrid interior OL and that plays a part but I won't push back hard on that. Charbs will get a similar system as Mason had this year, but OL, while better, is still probably off. I don't think Charbs is a special passing down back but he's complete at it and that gets him on the field and it would be very surprising if Mason every equaled his passing down fantasy points. Charb's profiles as a James Conner type to me, was my comp for him coming in and still going with it.
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
I'm surprised these two are even in the same discussion. Charbs looks like a very very likely future feature back in the NFL.
Sure, Mason had a nice stretch of games in San Francisco. Him and a dozen other guys. What are Jeff Wilson and Matt Breida up to these days?
I'm not convinced Mason will be any better than Charbs as a flex play even this year. KW3 has been the clear lead back when healthy but with two years now of Charbs arguably outplaying him and KW3 dealing with injury issues, it's certainly very plausible that Seattle will change that and use them in more of a split this year to keep KW3 healthy and lean on Charbs' more reliable production.
For the future, it's no contest imo. Charbs has draft capital, and has looked good when he played, only blocked from being a feature back by a high draft pick incumbent that is on the last year of his deal and probably unlikely to be re-signed.
Mason only has an aging veteran in front of him but to me he reeks of those guys we see every year where everyone assumes they brought him in to be the future starter but in reality they brought him in as depth and the future starter isn't on the roster yet. He looked great in SF, but so did a lot of other guys that looked a lot less great elsewhere. There's no shame in being stuck behind KW3 or CMC and needing injuries to them to get PT. There is some shame in being stuck behind Jeff Wilson and Eli Mitchell for PT.
Sure, Mason had a nice stretch of games in San Francisco. Him and a dozen other guys. What are Jeff Wilson and Matt Breida up to these days?
I'm not convinced Mason will be any better than Charbs as a flex play even this year. KW3 has been the clear lead back when healthy but with two years now of Charbs arguably outplaying him and KW3 dealing with injury issues, it's certainly very plausible that Seattle will change that and use them in more of a split this year to keep KW3 healthy and lean on Charbs' more reliable production.
For the future, it's no contest imo. Charbs has draft capital, and has looked good when he played, only blocked from being a feature back by a high draft pick incumbent that is on the last year of his deal and probably unlikely to be re-signed.
Mason only has an aging veteran in front of him but to me he reeks of those guys we see every year where everyone assumes they brought him in to be the future starter but in reality they brought him in as depth and the future starter isn't on the roster yet. He looked great in SF, but so did a lot of other guys that looked a lot less great elsewhere. There's no shame in being stuck behind KW3 or CMC and needing injuries to them to get PT. There is some shame in being stuck behind Jeff Wilson and Eli Mitchell for PT.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
I agree, I’d rather have Charbs, but at this point in both careers draft capital doesn’t matter imo.
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
Normally I would agree but in this case I don't think I do. Charbs has lived up to his draft capital in every category except opportunity, which I think is about to change. For Mason I would feel a lot differently about him if he at least had the draft capital to differentiate himself from the other half dozen 49ers RBs that have followed the same path he is currently on.
taylormeetstheismann
Footballguy
Earlier this year, I would have traded Charbs for a 2nd in a contract league. Today I wouldn’t trade him for two 1sts.
Like Charbs a lot, and have him and Walker in dynasty, but it’s a short list of rbs that are worth two 1sts, and he’s not close to one of them.
joey
Footballguy
Assuming this is hyperbole. Yes?
I have said this repeatedly here and in the Walker thread. This is the perfect handcuff situation and worth the draft capital to get Walker and Charbonnet.
When Walker is healthy, he is getting the bulk of the work and you have an RB1.
If Walker gets injured again this year, Charbonnet immediately fills in as an RB1.
The only other situation that is remotely close is Atlanta, except Charbonnet is better than Allgeier.
taylormeetstheismann
Footballguy
I value picks less than others. I can get a lot of mileage out of the free agent draft. Players that are already NFL proven. Rookies are speculative. Only maybe half of 1sts work out. 25% of 2nds, et cetera. Charbs looks to be on the upswing right now.
Aznflyer14
Footballguy
Walker may have all the talent in the world but it doesn't mean squat if not being available. His backup is the guy who I def think will ascend this year. Even his new OC couldn't stop praising him.
Disclaimer: I Love Walker but his history of injury isn't great.
Disclaimer: I Love Walker but his history of injury isn't great.
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
We don't know this. Walker finished last year hurt....again.
The idea that he is the workhorse when healthy is premature because for all we know the last injury may have finally tipped them over the edge to giving up on that.
Even if healthy it may be more of a split, which would honestly make more sense because all that workhorse Walker has gotten them is a bunch of injuries and a "big play" back that doesn't actually make any big plays when he's getting too many touches.
satch
Footballguy
Wow. I’ve been saying all along that it’s going to be a timeshare to some extent, but given how things have progressed this offseason, and the coaches comments in that article, it’s starting to feel like Charbonnet may actually be the starter on week 1.
I’m not saying that to bash Walker, just being honest. Macdonald heaped about as much praise on Charbonnet as a coach possibly can, while acknowledging that Walker is falling behind because he’s missing too many reps in a new offense.
On Walker-
"There's a lot of walk-through reps that need to be had, but at some point, to your point, you've got to do it on the field so you feel confident to go out there and execute at a high level and play your best football," Macdonald said. "So that's something that we're working through."
"He looks great," Macdonald said. "He's fast. He's hitting his targets, reading it out pretty well. It's exciting to have him out there. When he's been out there, he's been really good."
On Charbonnet-
"No. 1 is intelligence," Kubiak, who's installing a run-heavy offense, told Seattle Sports 710-AM. "No. 2 is longevity or just availability. Guys that are available for the whole game. The best backs that I've been around are super smart ... Our top two guys are doing some really good things, but Charbonnet, his mental approach to the game is extremely impressive. He does not flinch. If he ever has a question, you know you didn't coach it good enough because he is that on it. Really been impressed with him."
"Zach, he's just a stud," Macdonald said. "He's just everything you want in a person and a football player, that's him."
"He just does it every day," Macdonald said. "Same person, great spirit, strong as an ox, does everything right. I mean, what do you want from a football player? Zach Charbonnet."
If Walker can stay on the field over the next couple weeks he may be the starter week 1, but at this point, we should start considering the possibility that Charbonnet may have legitimately earned the RB1 role in Seattle. After reading that piece, I’m not sure how to see it any other way. It seems pretty clear which player the coach likes more, and more importantly, which player he can depend on in this new offense.
Even if just to send a message to the team, I’m betting Charbonnet takes the field first on week 1.
taylormeetstheismann
Footballguy
There is no reason to believe Charbs won’t be on the field a lot in a time share. Sure Walker is the starter on paper and that’s worth something but as the weeks unfold I’d think SEA will adjust to whatever is working when Walker or Charbs is on the field. I don’t think it’s that complicated. Regarding fantasy prospect, Walker is more expensive than Charbs. I prefer Charbs as the value pick for a RB3 with upside.
dmac37
Footballguy
I have been camp Walker for a few years now. All offseason there have been nothing but positive reports on how Walker will be the stud and a better fit in the Kubiak scheme, not much news about Charb.
I think Charb has really opened the eyes of the coaching staff throughout training camp. It will be interesting on how this plays out.
I think Charb has really opened the eyes of the coaching staff throughout training camp. It will be interesting on how this plays out.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
It was notable for Kenneth Walker being full go for the second consecutive practice. That was for one of the only times since the first days of training camp in late July. This time came sandwiched around an unscheduled players’ off day from practice Monday, when Macdonald took the team to Topgolf instead. Walker played with Darnold, Kupp and the first-team offense in 11-on-11 scrimmaging. He’d been on a day-on, day-off schedule late in training camp. In early August a sore foot sidelined the lead running back.
Macdonald has said the Seahawks have “a plan” for Walker to be ready for the opening game Sept. 7 against San Francisco, “and we’re sticking to that plan.”
Read more at: Link
Sounds like they are just taking it easy with Walker. It wasn't Charbonnet who practiced with the starters. Same as it always has been.
Macdonald has said the Seahawks have “a plan” for Walker to be ready for the opening game Sept. 7 against San Francisco, “and we’re sticking to that plan.”
Read more at: Link
Sounds like they are just taking it easy with Walker. It wasn't Charbonnet who practiced with the starters. Same as it always has been.
