Real Collusion (1 Viewer)

[RealReactions]

Fight fire with fire. Grow a set of balls call one of your friends in the league that is out of playoffs and dislikes the trade and stack your team too and act like it is fair. People that just made the traded will Aj green will ##### and say I'll cancel trade if you cancel. Bing batta boom problem solved. And why are you coming to a website to cry about a trade grow up be a man and talk #### in your league but don't go crying to a website hoping others agree.

 

[iamkoza]

if a re-draft and you know in the past the owner has been competent... i would vetot he trade and tell them they are both out of the league for trying to pulll this crap... this is coming from a commish who would prefer to never ever have to step in on trades... but this trade makes no sense and if the 3-7 owner is not a newbie... then its collusion

 

[renesauz]

As has already been stated several times, sometimes it's tough to sense the difference between collusion and just a bad trade. This is NOT one of those times. This is about as clear "prove-able without a confession" collusion as you will ever see. Clearly, the 3-7 team is not and will not be better Cutler instead of Wilson, BJGE instead of Moreno or Fitz instead of AJ Green. Reverse the trade and give both owners the smack down.

And I am usually on the "don't run everybody's team" side - but this is clearly and obviously collusion.

Agreed. This one is obvious

 

[bagger]

honestly need to see the rest of their rosters to try to figure out how this makes any sense.

does the person getting cutler have mccown and would prefer to have the chicago passing attack locked up versus wilson?

does he have bye week issues where he thinks aj greens bye next week is so deteimental to his success to squeak into playoffs that he essentially downgrades a wr but who will play one extra week?

not sure aout bgje for moreno as bgje offsets the reasoning to dump green so this is the biggest red flag of the three even if the above two scenarios were plausible (although not likely).

 

[TheStig]

honestly need to see the rest of their rosters to try to figure out how this makes any sense.

does the person getting cutler have mccown and would prefer to have the chicago passing attack locked up versus wilson?

does he have bye week issues where he thinks aj greens bye next week is so deteimental to his success to squeak into playoffs that he essentially downgrades a wr but who will play one extra week?

not sure aout bgje for moreno as bgje offsets the reasoning to dump green so this is the biggest red flag of the three even if the above two scenarios were plausible (although not likely).

The bye week occurred to me as well. People in "win now" mode desperation can do crazy things.

 

[Buffaloes]

is this really an lhuck's alias?

Yea brostein, I'm lhucks. turkey, provolone, lettuce, mayo, salt & pepper - no tomato... If there is tomato we will have problems

thoughts on the upcoming Pac bball season?

 

[Insein]

Collusion takes all things into account. The people that cry for it in week 4 or 5 are morons. However, this reeks of it.

A couple more details are needed like is this a keeper league, how many teams make the playoffs and how far out of the last spot is the 3-7 team. On the surface, this trade at this time of year with those records definitely puts up red flags. If these guys are friends with everyone which I assume includes yourself, I wouldn't go right to kicking out. Just reverse the trade. If the guy who's trying to do the robbing threatens to quit you let him. Otherwise let him know that was a bull#### move they both tried and if done again they're out.

 

[gianmarco]

Nice friends you've got there.

 

[Insein]

Just a bad trade. Deal with it bro.

This is why you need to move to high stakes....you don't have to deal with people making awful trades that affect the league. You brought this on yourself.

$400 buy in isn't high stakes enough? We can't all be Philo.

 

[Insein]

Here is an example of trade advice from the thread "The Art of the Trade"

"It's simple: find the most injury riddled, pathetic teams that are now 0-2 and in panic mode rt now and dangle your depth players in front of them for one of his studs. If the owner had forte and/or fjax he is likely on life support rt now and starting a guy like Dwyer. If you are deep at rb you guys are perfect trade partners. Sart by offering him multiple rbs (your rbs 4 and 5 for instance...like a Hillis and a Ben Tate for example) for his most studly wr or whatever area of need you have. You'd be surprised what a desperate owner will do to shake up his team after a very bad start to the season. If he doesn't go for that tell him your stud rbs are available and don't be afraid to trade one awAy if you have depth as long as you are gettin back a kings random for him. And b that I mean any combo of 2 stud wrs, qb/wr, TE/wr etc. For a legit stud rb you might be able to score jimmy graham AND a high end wr2 from a desperate owner. Again if ur deep at rb you won't miss a beat and will gain at 2 valuable positions. "

So when somebody actually follows this mostly terrible, predatory advice, and luck of the Irish, is actually successful, they then get to look forward to emails about collusion and getting kicked out of the league.

In week 3, its just being a ####. In week 11, you're trying to get away with something.

 

[Mario Kart]

Your fault... the trade deadline should have passed by now.

 

[Insein]

Your fault... the trade deadline should have passed by now.

Ours is always week 12.

 

[Wrigley]

Agreed, the trade deadline in redraft leagues shouldn't be this late in the year.

 

[DropKick]

Somewhat interesting that this trade would have not even turned heads week 1. But it smells rotten. Especially the disappearing act of the 3-7 team.

Not really... motives are very different once a team is virtually or mathematically eliminated.

A very lopsided trade from a team out of contention to a contender in PROBABLY a redraft format? Tell me why you need to "prove" collusion like I'm in the 3rd grade.

 

[LargeMouthBass]

Just veto the trade, what's the problem here?

 

[TheStig]

Here is an example of trade advice from the thread "The Art of the Trade"

"It's simple: find the most injury riddled, pathetic teams that are now 0-2 and in panic mode rt now and dangle your depth players in front of them for one of his studs. If the owner had forte and/or fjax he is likely on life support rt now and starting a guy like Dwyer. If you are deep at rb you guys are perfect trade partners. Sart by offering him multiple rbs (your rbs 4 and 5 for instance...like a Hillis and a Ben Tate for example) for his most studly wr or whatever area of need you have. You'd be surprised what a desperate owner will do to shake up his team after a very bad start to the season. If he doesn't go for that tell him your stud rbs are available and don't be afraid to trade one awAy if you have depth as long as you are gettin back a kings random for him. And b that I mean any combo of 2 stud wrs, qb/wr, TE/wr etc. For a legit stud rb you might be able to score jimmy graham AND a high end wr2 from a desperate owner. Again if ur deep at rb you won't miss a beat and will gain at 2 valuable positions. "

So when somebody actually follows this mostly terrible, predatory advice, and luck of the Irish, is actually successful, they then get to look forward to emails about collusion and getting kicked out of the league.

In week 3, its just being a ####. In week 11, you're trying to get away with something.

Likely, but I still think the trade is more temper tantrum than motivated by anything else. The lack of other contextual details that have been asked and not answered from the poster still leaves a shadow of doubt though.

While this trade is lopsided, I still think the league mates simply have their own best interest in mind and not the interest of the league at heart. I simply contend that any trade that negatively impacts many teams chances will always find a way to be scrutinized as "collusion".

I was in a league where I was accused of it once. I traded a "stud RB" for a backup RB. The thing is, I offered the same player to the accuser originally. He declined all offers. I then offered to auction the RB off to the entire league, no bids nothing. Then finally I made the only deal I could, then and only then, did anyone #####. And they #####ed simply because my team was in win now mode and the other guy was in a comfy spot.

The point? Context is pretty important, and simply trade "balance" is not evidence enough if collusion but complaining about an unfair trade is evidence of sour grapes.

 

[Wrigley]

Here is an example of trade advice from the thread "The Art of the Trade"

"It's simple: find the most injury riddled, pathetic teams that are now 0-2 and in panic mode rt now and dangle your depth players in front of them for one of his studs. If the owner had forte and/or fjax he is likely on life support rt now and starting a guy like Dwyer. If you are deep at rb you guys are perfect trade partners. Sart by offering him multiple rbs (your rbs 4 and 5 for instance...like a Hillis and a Ben Tate for example) for his most studly wr or whatever area of need you have. You'd be surprised what a desperate owner will do to shake up his team after a very bad start to the season. If he doesn't go for that tell him your stud rbs are available and don't be afraid to trade one awAy if you have depth as long as you are gettin back a kings random for him. And b that I mean any combo of 2 stud wrs, qb/wr, TE/wr etc. For a legit stud rb you might be able to score jimmy graham AND a high end wr2 from a desperate owner. Again if ur deep at rb you won't miss a beat and will gain at 2 valuable positions. "

So when somebody actually follows this mostly terrible, predatory advice, and luck of the Irish, is actually successful, they then get to look forward to emails about collusion and getting kicked out of the league.

In week 3, its just being a ####. In week 11, you're trying to get away with something.

Likely, but I still think the trade is more temper tantrum than motivated by anything else. The lack of other contextual details that have been asked and not answered from the poster still leaves a shadow of doubt though.

While this trade is lopsided, I still think the league mates simply have their own best interest in mind and not the interest of the league at heart. I simply contend that any trade that negatively impacts many teams chances will always find a way to be scrutinized as "collusion".

I was in a league where I was accused of it once. I traded a "stud RB" for a backup RB. The thing is, I offered the same player to the accuser originally. He declined all offers. I then offered to auction the RB off to the entire league, no bids nothing. Then finally I made the only deal I could, then and only then, did anyone #####. And they #####ed simply because my team was in win now mode and the other guy was in a comfy spot.

The point? Context is pretty important, and simply trade "balance" is not evidence enough if collusion but complaining about an unfair trade is evidence of sour grapes.

I'm assuming your fishing here.

The "context" you're looking for is right in front of you.........guy is 3-7 and has no chance of making the playoffs.

There is only one reason why someone makes a trade like this now, and it's not to help his team

 

[PatsWillWin]

Explain the difference between collusion and a bad trade.

Then explain how you know it's collusion. Or how you can prove it's collusion.

I see this posted frequently in threads like this and I find it doesn't contribute anything of worth.

You gather the pertinent information that you can, and you come to the best conclusion that you can based on it. This is no different than most every other decision we have in life.

People will get away with some collusion because they kept it close enough to the line of what is reasonable if bad judgment. But if a trade looks bad enough and the owner can't provide a believable explanation of why he thinks it is a benefit, we don't require a taped confession to decide it's collusion.

Yeah I don't get why people get all hung up on the "how do you prove collusion?!?!?" This isn't the court of law. You know how I know this is collusion? Because it's obviously freaking collusion.

 

[TheStig]

Here is an example of trade advice from the thread "The Art of the Trade"

"It's simple: find the most injury riddled, pathetic teams that are now 0-2 and in panic mode rt now and dangle your depth players in front of them for one of his studs. If the owner had forte and/or fjax he is likely on life support rt now and starting a guy like Dwyer. If you are deep at rb you guys are perfect trade partners. Sart by offering him multiple rbs (your rbs 4 and 5 for instance...like a Hillis and a Ben Tate for example) for his most studly wr or whatever area of need you have. You'd be surprised what a desperate owner will do to shake up his team after a very bad start to the season. If he doesn't go for that tell him your stud rbs are available and don't be afraid to trade one awAy if you have depth as long as you are gettin back a kings random for him. And b that I mean any combo of 2 stud wrs, qb/wr, TE/wr etc. For a legit stud rb you might be able to score jimmy graham AND a high end wr2 from a desperate owner. Again if ur deep at rb you won't miss a beat and will gain at 2 valuable positions. "

So when somebody actually follows this mostly terrible, predatory advice, and luck of the Irish, is actually successful, they then get to look forward to emails about collusion and getting kicked out of the league.

In week 3, its just being a ####. In week 11, you're trying to get away with something.

Likely, but I still think the trade is more temper tantrum than motivated by anything else. The lack of other contextual details that have been asked and not answered from the poster still leaves a shadow of doubt though.While this trade is lopsided, I still think the league mates simply have their own best interest in mind and not the interest of the league at heart. I simply contend that any trade that negatively impacts many teams chances will always find a way to be scrutinized as "collusion".I was in a league where I was accused of it once. I traded a "stud RB" for a backup RB. The thing is, I offered the same player to the accuser originally. He declined all offers. I then offered to auction the RB off to the entire league, no bids nothing. Then finally I made the only deal I could, then and only then, did anyone #####. And they #####ed simply because my team was in win now mode and the other guy was in a comfy spot.

The point? Context is pretty important, and simply trade "balance" is not evidence enough if collusion but complaining about an unfair trade is evidence of sour grapes.

I'm assuming your fishing here.The "context" you're looking for is right in front of you.........guy is 3-7 and has no chance of making the playoffs.

There is only one reason why someone makes a trade like this now, and it's not to help his team

If you read my first post, I clearly state that I am playing Devils Advocate.3-7 is a factor but not the "context". It is motivation to make the trade and certainly may have played a role in its irrationality.

For all we know, Team A needs his league entry fee back after his wife found out. Perhaps he lost his job and needs his money back for the holidays and he sold his players to a guy who now has spent $800 for a chance at a $4000 pot. Perhaps they agreed to split the earnings. Who knows.

I still wouldn't reverse the trade, but I would kick them out of the league at the end of the season.

 

[Annyong]

Just want to point out that the OP didn't clarify if this was a redraft or a dynasty. Not that it matters much.

But, He also didn't mention what rules were in place to address this situation.

wouldnt dynasty be even worse?

 

[Wrigley]

Here is an example of trade advice from the thread "The Art of the Trade"

"It's simple: find the most injury riddled, pathetic teams that are now 0-2 and in panic mode rt now and dangle your depth players in front of them for one of his studs. If the owner had forte and/or fjax he is likely on life support rt now and starting a guy like Dwyer. If you are deep at rb you guys are perfect trade partners. Sart by offering him multiple rbs (your rbs 4 and 5 for instance...like a Hillis and a Ben Tate for example) for his most studly wr or whatever area of need you have. You'd be surprised what a desperate owner will do to shake up his team after a very bad start to the season. If he doesn't go for that tell him your stud rbs are available and don't be afraid to trade one awAy if you have depth as long as you are gettin back a kings random for him. And b that I mean any combo of 2 stud wrs, qb/wr, TE/wr etc. For a legit stud rb you might be able to score jimmy graham AND a high end wr2 from a desperate owner. Again if ur deep at rb you won't miss a beat and will gain at 2 valuable positions. "

So when somebody actually follows this mostly terrible, predatory advice, and luck of the Irish, is actually successful, they then get to look forward to emails about collusion and getting kicked out of the league.

In week 3, its just being a ####. In week 11, you're trying to get away with something.

Likely, but I still think the trade is more temper tantrum than motivated by anything else. The lack of other contextual details that have been asked and not answered from the poster still leaves a shadow of doubt though.While this trade is lopsided, I still think the league mates simply have their own best interest in mind and not the interest of the league at heart. I simply contend that any trade that negatively impacts many teams chances will always find a way to be scrutinized as "collusion".

I was in a league where I was accused of it once. I traded a "stud RB" for a backup RB. The thing is, I offered the same player to the accuser originally. He declined all offers. I then offered to auction the RB off to the entire league, no bids nothing. Then finally I made the only deal I could, then and only then, did anyone #####. And they #####ed simply because my team was in win now mode and the other guy was in a comfy spot.

The point? Context is pretty important, and simply trade "balance" is not evidence enough if collusion but complaining about an unfair trade is evidence of sour grapes.

I'm assuming your fishing here.The "context" you're looking for is right in front of you.........guy is 3-7 and has no chance of making the playoffs.

There is only one reason why someone makes a trade like this now, and it's not to help his team

If you read my first post, I clearly state that I am playing Devils Advocate.

Crap, I did read that somewhere

Keep up the good work then

 

[Johnny Blood]

I know it's collusion, don't need a confession on that - Asking how you would go about this situation in your home league?

Since we are all friends and some are better friends with the offenders then others, we are at a disagreement. I think I want them out and also disqualified - The problem with disqualifying teams is that it changes playoff structures. Some also think they crossed the line but we should just reverse and move on.

In all honesty it's just upsetting as this bull#### messes up my home league which we have had for 9 years now.

Why would it change the playoff structure? If you kick them out you need to recruit new owners. Recruit them now and give them these teams.

 

[Mr.Pack]

Why on earth would a supposed "big money" league still have trading with only 3 weeks left in the season?

A good league would have already had the trade deadline come and gone to prevent this stuff.

 

[TheStig]

Here is an example of trade advice from the thread "The Art of the Trade"

"It's simple: find the most injury riddled, pathetic teams that are now 0-2 and in panic mode rt now and dangle your depth players in front of them for one of his studs. If the owner had forte and/or fjax he is likely on life support rt now and starting a guy like Dwyer. If you are deep at rb you guys are perfect trade partners. Sart by offering him multiple rbs (your rbs 4 and 5 for instance...like a Hillis and a Ben Tate for example) for his most studly wr or whatever area of need you have. You'd be surprised what a desperate owner will do to shake up his team after a very bad start to the season. If he doesn't go for that tell him your stud rbs are available and don't be afraid to trade one awAy if you have depth as long as you are gettin back a kings random for him. And b that I mean any combo of 2 stud wrs, qb/wr, TE/wr etc. For a legit stud rb you might be able to score jimmy graham AND a high end wr2 from a desperate owner. Again if ur deep at rb you won't miss a beat and will gain at 2 valuable positions. "

So when somebody actually follows this mostly terrible, predatory advice, and luck of the Irish, is actually successful, they then get to look forward to emails about collusion and getting kicked out of the league.

In week 3, its just being a ####. In week 11, you're trying to get away with something.

Likely, but I still think the trade is more temper tantrum than motivated by anything else. The lack of other contextual details that have been asked and not answered from the poster still leaves a shadow of doubt though.While this trade is lopsided, I still think the league mates simply have their own best interest in mind and not the interest of the league at heart. I simply contend that any trade that negatively impacts many teams chances will always find a way to be scrutinized as "collusion".

I was in a league where I was accused of it once. I traded a "stud RB" for a backup RB. The thing is, I offered the same player to the accuser originally. He declined all offers. I then offered to auction the RB off to the entire league, no bids nothing. Then finally I made the only deal I could, then and only then, did anyone #####. And they #####ed simply because my team was in win now mode and the other guy was in a comfy spot.

The point? Context is pretty important, and simply trade "balance" is not evidence enough if collusion but complaining about an unfair trade is evidence of sour grapes.

I'm assuming your fishing here.The "context" you're looking for is right in front of you.........guy is 3-7 and has no chance of making the playoffs.

There is only one reason why someone makes a trade like this now, and it's not to help his team

If you read my first post, I clearly state that I am playing Devils Advocate.

Crap, I did read that somewhereKeep up the good work then

I just love me a good debate. It is more fun to pick the wrong side is all.

 

[fantasycurse42]

We resolved this quick and orderly - Neither team admits to anything, but this isn't a court of law and we found them guilty, unanimously.

Both teams have been disqualified for the season, without doing so it sets a precedent that this is acceptable. They won't be kicked out, but they're each on notice. We are a 10 team league finishing the year as 8. Whomever is scheduled to play either of these teams for the rest of the year will now play each other that week, fairest way rather then adjusting the schedules. We moved our regular season finale to week 14, playoffs into weeks 15/16. Usually 6 teams make the playoffs with the top 2 having week 14 byes. Instead, it will be 4 teams with the top seed deciding who they want to play in week 15 of the 3 other teams.

The 3-7 team doesn't really suffer much punishment bc their season was just about over anyways, but the 6-4 team ####ed himself.

 

[TheStig]

We resolved this quick and orderly - Neither team admits to anything, but this isn't a court of law and we found them guilty, unanimously.

Both teams have been disqualified for the season, without doing so it sets a precedent that this is acceptable. They won't be kicked out, but they're each on notice. We are a 10 team league finishing the year as 8. Whomever is scheduled to play either of these teams for the rest of the year will now play each other that week, fairest way rather then adjusting the schedules. We moved our regular season finale to week 14, playoffs into weeks 15/16. Usually 6 teams make the playoffs with the top 2 having week 14 byes. Instead, it will be 4 teams with the top seed deciding who they want to play in week 15 of the 3 other teams.

The 3-7 team doesn't really suffer much punishment bc their season was just about over anyways, but the 6-4 team ####ed himself.

Plus they both turned the fun meter down for everyone.

 

[Wrigley]

:fantasyhammer:

 

[KCitons]

We resolved this quick and orderly - Neither team admits to anything, but this isn't a court of law and we found them guilty, unanimously.

Both teams have been disqualified for the season, without doing so it sets a precedent that this is acceptable. They won't be kicked out, but they're each on notice. We are a 10 team league finishing the year as 8. Whomever is scheduled to play either of these teams for the rest of the year will now play each other that week, fairest way rather then adjusting the schedules. We moved our regular season finale to week 14, playoffs into weeks 15/16. Usually 6 teams make the playoffs with the top 2 having week 14 byes. Instead, it will be 4 teams with the top seed deciding who they want to play in week 15 of the 3 other teams.

The 3-7 team doesn't really suffer much punishment bc their season was just about over anyways, but the 6-4 team ####ed himself.

Congrats on making a quick decision. You showed them.

Be prepared to have every trade questioned from here on until you establish rules to deal with it.

 

[Buffaloes]

We resolved this quick and orderly - Neither team admits to anything, but this isn't a court of law and we found them guilty, unanimously.

Both teams have been disqualified for the season, without doing so it sets a precedent that this is acceptable. They won't be kicked out, but they're each on notice. We are a 10 team league finishing the year as 8. Whomever is scheduled to play either of these teams for the rest of the year will now play each other that week, fairest way rather then adjusting the schedules. We moved our regular season finale to week 14, playoffs into weeks 15/16. Usually 6 teams make the playoffs with the top 2 having week 14 byes. Instead, it will be 4 teams with the top seed deciding who they want to play in week 15 of the 3 other teams.

The 3-7 team doesn't really suffer much punishment bc their season was just about over anyways, but the 6-4 team ####ed himself.

Congrats on making a quick decision. You showed them.

Be prepared to have every trade questioned from here on until you establish rules to deal with it.

friends league. not all leagues have to be hardcore w/ 272 amendments to a 38-page constitution. sometimes common sense wins

 

[Rhythmdoctor]

The precedent that has now been set is that every trade now has to be approved unanimously by the rest of the league. Even if I thought this trade was obviously lopsided and obviously collusion, I would hate the final decision. Every trade from here on out will be scrutinized and every owner thinks they can predict the future better than everyone else. This is going to make trading virtually impossible.

I don't think this trade was obviously shady as most in here do. I can understand an argument for Fitz over Green. I would still like to know who the backup QB is for the 3-7 team.

This may very well be collusion too but it's hard to prove. I think the league would have been better off letting the trade go through. Karma is a ##### and I think it would have worked itself out.

 

[Mario Kart]

What an awesome way to ruin a league and a possible friendship. You should be very proud of yourself and the other seven league mates. Congrats!!!!

And, what are you doing with the $800?

 

[KCitons]

We resolved this quick and orderly - Neither team admits to anything, but this isn't a court of law and we found them guilty, unanimously.

Both teams have been disqualified for the season, without doing so it sets a precedent that this is acceptable. They won't be kicked out, but they're each on notice. We are a 10 team league finishing the year as 8. Whomever is scheduled to play either of these teams for the rest of the year will now play each other that week, fairest way rather then adjusting the schedules. We moved our regular season finale to week 14, playoffs into weeks 15/16. Usually 6 teams make the playoffs with the top 2 having week 14 byes. Instead, it will be 4 teams with the top seed deciding who they want to play in week 15 of the 3 other teams.

The 3-7 team doesn't really suffer much punishment bc their season was just about over anyways, but the 6-4 team ####ed himself.

Congrats on making a quick decision. You showed them.

Be prepared to have every trade questioned from here on until you establish rules to deal with it.

friends league. not all leagues have to be hardcore w/ 272 amendments to a 38-page constitution. sometimes common sense wins

I can agree that the rules need not be overbearing. But common sense should tell owners not to cheat. But that didn't work out too well

 

[fantasycurse42]

What an awesome way to ruin a league and a possible friendship. You should be very proud of yourself and the other seven league mates. Congrats!!!!

And, what are you doing with the $800?

We are proud, we handled the cheating situation as painlessly as possible.

Should we refund the 3-7 team for cheating?

 

[Mario Kart]

What an awesome way to ruin a league and a possible friendship. You should be very proud of yourself and the other seven league mates. Congrats!!!!

And, what are you doing with the $800?

We are proud, we handled the cheating situation as painlessly as possible.

Should we refund the 3-7 team for cheating?

Since you are guilty of thievery, yes you should. Your league is the lowest of the low. An 8-boy league... lol.

 

[fantasycurse42]

What an awesome way to ruin a league and a possible friendship. You should be very proud of yourself and the other seven league mates. Congrats!!!!

And, what are you doing with the $800?

We are proud, we handled the cheating situation as painlessly as possible.

Should we refund the 3-7 team for cheating?

Since you are guilty of thievery, yes you should. Your league is the lowest of the low. An 8-boy league... lol.

Wow this guy just found a way out of a losing bet, cheat. That's gold Jerry! Gold!

 

[mbuehner]

Didnt read, not collusion.

 

[Jersey]

This is a shame. Long term friendships are more important than who wins the league. It was a bad trade for sure with one buddy helping his good friend out but I am reasonably sure that there was not a monetary deal in place. More likely the 3-7 team just figured his season was over why not trade away his guys

That does not make it right though. If I were the Commish I'd reverse the trade and put up a post along the lines of 'c'mon boys ,lets play fair '

No one would've disqualified or put on ' super secret probation' because in the end friendships are more important that fantasy titles

 

[Polka King]

I don't know... I think I would have reversed the trade and warned both teams that if this ever happens again, they will be asked to leave the league. In a league of friends, I would hope something this simple would have sufficed. Lame outcome, IMO.

 

[KCitons]

What an awesome way to ruin a league and a possible friendship. You should be very proud of yourself and the other seven league mates. Congrats!!!!

And, what are you doing with the $800?

We are proud, we handled the cheating situation as painlessly as possible.

Should we refund the 3-7 team for cheating?

It was only painless for those that it benefited.

 

[fantasycurse42]

What an awesome way to ruin a league and a possible friendship. You should be very proud of yourself and the other seven league mates. Congrats!!!!

And, what are you doing with the $800?

We are proud, we handled the cheating situation as painlessly as possible.Should we refund the 3-7 team for cheating?

It was only painless for those that it benefited.

I don't see how removing a bad team and a mediocre team benefits anyone. Furthermore, dropping from 60% of teams to 50% of teams getting to playoffs doesn't really seem like a benefit to me either.Cheating appears to be okay in your book.

 

[msudaisy26]

Everyone go easy on the poster, he is looking for advice because he is in a bad spot.

My advice would be this, revoke the trade, even though I am usually not in favor of this, tell the two owner this is a group of friends and there is no reason to act like this. We all win some and we lose some and we play for fun and the money is a bonus. Give the league an option and exclude yourself and the 2 members involved from voting. The options would be this.

1. Overturn the trade give the guys a warning that if anything like this happens again they will be booted from the league and probably ruin friendships and the league you guys have played in for 9 years

2. Overturn the trade and make a rule that any trade that if the commish deems abnormally unfair that it will go to a vote. During this time the other 7 or 9 owners will vote on the trade for 24 hours and the majority rules. However the trade has to be very bad, and some how you need to determine what makes it bad. I wouldn't recommend this option because it gives one person too much power.

3. Overturn the trade and put both members on probation and as part of the punishment they can't trade with each other for the rest of this year and all of next year.

4. Overturn the trade and boot both players from the league, find new guys or new friends next year.

These are just some ideas, I don't envy the position you have been put in and wish you the best of luck.

 

[KCitons]

What an awesome way to ruin a league and a possible friendship. You should be very proud of yourself and the other seven league mates. Congrats!!!!

And, what are you doing with the $800?

We are proud, we handled the cheating situation as painlessly as possible.Should we refund the 3-7 team for cheating?

It was only painless for those that it benefited.

I don't see how removing a bad team and a mediocre team benefits anyone. Furthermore, dropping from 60% of teams to 50% of teams getting to playoffs doesn't really seem like a benefit to me either.Cheating appears to be okay in your book.

You remove owners from the league without any basis. You have zero proof that they were cheating. Only speculation and the opinion of a few people on a random message board.

The first person you should have removed was the commissioner, for not setting up rules to deal with this after 9 years.

As I see it, every owner paid the same amount to join the league. Every owner played by the established rules. Mid season 8 owners decide they want to establish new rules. At a minimum you should refund both teams fees. They held up their end of the agreement.

 

[fantasycurse42]

What an awesome way to ruin a league and a possible friendship. You should be very proud of yourself and the other seven league mates. Congrats!!!!

And, what are you doing with the $800?

We are proud, we handled the cheating situation as painlessly as possible.Should we refund the 3-7 team for cheating?

It was only painless for those that it benefited.

I don't see how removing a bad team and a mediocre team benefits anyone. Furthermore, dropping from 60% of teams to 50% of teams getting to playoffs doesn't really seem like a benefit to me either.Cheating appears to be okay in your book.

You remove owners from the league without any basis. You have zero proof that they were cheating. Only speculation and the opinion of a few people on a random message board. The first person you should have removed was the commissioner, for not setting up rules to deal with this after 9 years.

As I see it, every owner paid the same amount to join the league. Every owner played by the established rules. Mid season 8 owners decide they want to establish new rules. At a minimum you should refund both teams fees. They held up their end of the agreement.

Wild guess here... You don't think there is enough evidence to call Aaron Hernandez a murderer.

 

[KCitons]

What an awesome way to ruin a league and a possible friendship. You should be very proud of yourself and the other seven league mates. Congrats!!!!

And, what are you doing with the $800?

We are proud, we handled the cheating situation as painlessly as possible.Should we refund the 3-7 team for cheating?

It was only painless for those that it benefited.

I don't see how removing a bad team and a mediocre team benefits anyone. Furthermore, dropping from 60% of teams to 50% of teams getting to playoffs doesn't really seem like a benefit to me either.Cheating appears to be okay in your book.

You remove owners from the league without any basis. You have zero proof that they were cheating. Only speculation and the opinion of a few people on a random message board. The first person you should have removed was the commissioner, for not setting up rules to deal with this after 9 years.

As I see it, every owner paid the same amount to join the league. Every owner played by the established rules. Mid season 8 owners decide they want to establish new rules. At a minimum you should refund both teams fees. They held up their end of the agreement.

Wild guess here... You don't think there is enough evidence to call Aaron Hernandez a murderer.

Wild guess, you think he should have been convicted and fried the day he was arrested?

What does either have to do with this thread?

 

[ConnSKINS26]

Why is everyone giving this dude a hard time? There's a $4,000 pot for christ's sake. You don't see a reason to take care of this problem?

Only the purposefully obtuse would argue that there's nothing wrong when a 3-7 team gets the worse end of every single part of this deal, including an injured player, while sending all of the best pieces with no hope for the playoffs in sight. This isn't dynasty. There's no such thing as a "rebuild trade", or selling off pieces to a contender, because there's no benefit to it for the bad team. It's redraft. It makes no sense to even allow someone who is mathematically eliminated from the playoffs to make any trades this late in the season. They can't help themselves, they can only help other owners. Makes no sense.

They don't have to have a secret agreement to split the pot for it to be collusion. There's literally no benefit to be had here for the 3-7 team, so his only motive could possibly be helping the competitive team by stacking the deck. That's collusion.

Maybe he could have handled it without booting his friends for the rest of the season. But who wants to play in a league with a $4,000 pot with such sketchy dudes? Maybe they learned their lesson.

Either way they should get this buy-in back if they're done for the season.

 

[Chaka]

Wow, that's a crappy deal.

 

[Apple Jack]

Can't really weigh in on this without knowing the guys, but in the abstract I think it'd have to be all or nothing. Either they're refunded and removed from the league for good or everybody stays with a huge wtf dudebrahs. In no scenario to I see disqualifying them and keeping their money cool and that could lead to genuine ugliness.

 

[T.Rex]

Just a bad trade. Deal with it bro.

This is why you need to move to high stakes....you don't have to deal with people making awful trades that affect the league. You brought this on yourself.

Your a tool.

 

[ImTheScientist]

Just a bad trade. Deal with it bro.

This is why you need to move to high stakes....you don't have to deal with people making awful trades that affect the league. You brought this on yourself.

Your a tool.

If you are going to insult someone at least sound educated while doing so......"you're".

 

[GregR]

The precedent that has now been set is that every trade now has to be approved unanimously by the rest of the league. Even if I thought this trade was obviously lopsided and obviously collusion, I would hate the final decision. Every trade from here on out will be scrutinized and every owner thinks they can predict the future better than everyone else. This is going to make trading virtually impossible.

I don't think this trade was obviously shady as most in here do. I can understand an argument for Fitz over Green. I would still like to know who the backup QB is for the 3-7 team.

This may very well be collusion too but it's hard to prove. I think the league would have been better off letting the trade go through. Karma is a ##### and I think it would have worked itself out.

The only precedent set was that if the league unanimously thinks a trade is collusion that they treat it as such.

To set a precedent that every trade must be approved unanimously, there would have had to be a trade that every owner in the league but 1 thought was legitimate, and the trade wasn't allowed as a result of that 1 owner.