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You could not be further off base IMO. With better editing I might agree that Transformers = Pacific Rim but Bay spent way too much time dealing with Shia's adolescent insecurities that no one gave a #### about. I didn't care about the Three's Companyesque misunderstandings between him and Bumble Bee, and his insane over-the-top petty jealousy of his girlfriend was insufferable. I would say that most of my criticisms of Transformers center around wasted screen time of which there was far too much. If they edited out 15-25 minutes from each TF film to focus more on the giant robots vs giant robots and far, far less of Shia and his insufferable unfunny family (as well as the y'know getting rid of the overtly racist robots) I think I would have found them far more interesting.FreeBaGeL said:Problem is that a lot of the people that loved Pacific Rim as escapist robot fun hated Transformers because...I dunno...hating those movies is the cool thing to do and liking Del Toro is the cool thing to do.
I'm sorry, but they're the same thing. If anything Pacific Rim had worse dialogue, less funnies, more corny parts, and way more stupid plot oversights (wait, we've had a sword the whole time and you're just telling me now?). It just smells to me like people wanting to cry out "see I can enjoy stupid fun action flicks too!" as long as the director has done something else in the past and they can keep hating on the guy who only does those kind of movies. I'm pretty sure if you flipped the directors around but kept the movies exactly the same their stance on the matter would change 180 degrees.
However as finished products Pacific Rim delivers far more of the giant good guys vs the giant bad guys than TF on every level.
And I agree the sword thing was kind of stupid but it was no worse than ghost robots bringing Shia back to life (or whatever the hell that was) actually it was far better than that mess. And while ultimately I really don't care much about dialogue in these type of films IMO PR >>>>>> TF in that regard too.
Either way it has nothing to do with disliking TF just because it's fashionable to dislike Michael Bay. The reason people don't like Michael Bay films is that he hasn't made an entertaining film since The Rock, which I love (but come on, Indiana Jones coal mine car races below Alcatraz? And you are going to complain about a robot sword?). What else has he directed that is worthwhile even as a guilty pleasure? I guess Bad Boys qualifies.
Del Toro's has a lot of terrible films too IMO, particularly the Hellboy series (and I am sure Blade II is garbage too but I haven't seen it) so I don't see why it is more fashionable to like his work. Although, to be fair, his best work Pan's Labyrinth & The Devil's Backbone is far more thoughtful than anything Bay has ever vomited onto the screen.
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at her telling him the plot of the book as they ride through the airport on the golfcart