Reggie Bush (1 Viewer)

[MCguidance]

I know there are a lot of Bush threads, but there are a lot of threads on everyone. I did a quick search, didn't see any threads from today so I figured I would start a fresh one.

I have seen a lot of people saying that he is likely a bust, only valuable in PPR formats. I know one game is not a predictor of much in this league, but is there a chance he could be a top RB in any format? What are the chances this kid has a breakthrough year? For some players, it takes time to get "it" whatever "it" is. Could he be one?

 

[Uncle Leo]

He had the best game from my team. I'll do well if he has a great season.

 

[Ripleys]

He ran with a purpose today. He actually looked PISSED most of the game. I think the light is finally on and he's gonna have a great year. I really do.

 

[Keys Myaths]

Well, you know what they say about 3rd year receivers.

 

[FFdork]

Well, you know what they say about 3rd year receivers.

 

[Uncle Leo]

Well, you know what they say about 3rd year receivers.

LOL

 

[MCguidance]

Well, you know what they say about 3rd year receivers.

Haha.Ok, so all joking aside could this guy be a 1,000 yard receiver out of the backfield? I see that as more likely than 1,000 rusher at this stage, actually.

 

[Ripleys]

If he runs as hard as he did today, I think he could end up with 2000 total yards.

 

[NorrisB]

The oline still doesnt run block very well for NO, very little room today

 

[drew726]

he netted 30 fpts for me in a league with PPR. it was awesome

 

[KellysHeroes]

The Shark Pool really hates this kid. Only 9 Posts.

The Guy just lit the lamp... hes just started this yr w/ his career best.

Go Reggie go

 

[Interseptopus]

I think it's a little early to proclaim him to have a break out season.

He is only 23 years old, in his 3rd season, and has plenty of upside.

My opinion is that he has more value in PPR leagues still. He is developing as a rusher, but it's just not there yet on the OL. He will gain value in other leagues as he increases his rushing abilities.

I do think this will be a career year, but I don't know about "breakout". I think in a PPR league he'll be top 10. Actually, may be top 5. In other leagues he may just crack the top 10. If that means a breakout year, then so be it, he'll have a breakout year. I think he'll just have a career season and increase his overall output from the previous 2 years. Good buy this year for all of us who got him

 

[jb1020]

has anyone presented their case to having reggie listed as a wr in the leauge? im think ill submit mine tomorrow.

 

[Chaka]

He looked very good today when the ball was in his hands but he made a couple stupid mistakes too. He failed to pick up the blitz on Brees' pick-six and he had a face mask penalty that turned a 26 yard run into an 11 yard run. I also didn't like how easily Philip Buchanon tracked him down on his TD.

All in all it was a good game for him and it would have been a great one if he didn't have those two mistakes.

I think he has potential for a very big year in this offense.

 

[Bears_Man2]

I do think this will be a career year, but I don't know about "breakout". I think in a PPR league he'll be top 10. Actually, may be top 5.

He could get 1800-2000 total yards in that offense and if healthy should have no issue being PPR Top 10 whatsoever if healthy. He made his share of bad plays today and he still might not be the best rusher on his team (Pierre Thomas), but he's still so electric in the open field.They do need to get him off returns. And now.

 

[spicoli]

I may be the only one that was not that impressed. Of the carries I saw (and I was flipping between games), I thought Thomas looked like the much better RB. Bush seemed to go down on the first hit every time. Obviously, his catches and long TD gave him a great game in PPR leagues, but how often is he going to break off a long TD catch. My initial reaction is to sell high after this game...Anybody else feel the same?

 

[hoyaparanoia]

I may be the only one that was not that impressed. Of the carries I saw (and I was flipping between games), I thought Thomas looked like the much better RB. Bush seemed to go down on the first hit every time. Obviously, his catches and long TD gave him a great game in PPR leagues, but how often is he going to break off a long TD catch. My initial reaction is to sell high after this game...Anybody else feel the same?

I felt the same way. He looked ok, but nothing special, especially when he was being a RB instead of a WR. He did look well when he broke off that TD, but before that, Brooks had contained him most of the day. With that said, I wouldn't sell at all, especially in PPR. I think he is going to have a good year, just nothing stellar.

 

[MCguidance]

I think it's a little early to proclaim him to have a break out season.

He is only 23 years old, in his 3rd season, and has plenty of upside.

My opinion is that he has more value in PPR leagues still. He is developing as a rusher, but it's just not there yet on the OL. He will gain value in other leagues as he increases his rushing abilities.

I do think this will be a career year, but I don't know about "breakout". I think in a PPR league he'll be top 10. Actually, may be top 5. In other leagues he may just crack the top 10. If that means a breakout year, then so be it, he'll have a breakout year. I think he'll just have a career season and increase his overall output from the previous 2 years. Good buy this year for all of us who got him

That's pretty close to "breaking out" I think.

 

[AngryGorilla]

if Bush can be consistent, i'll get all girly about him with you guys...

 

[Hue G]

if Bush can be consistent, i'll get all girly about him with you guys...

I am also a Bush owner but I'm not going to get all excited yet, I'm thinking that because of his lack of production over the last couple of years teams may have forgotten about focusing on him, a couple of good games would change this in a hurry.

 

[MCguidance]

if Bush can be consistent, i'll get all girly about him with you guys...

I am also a Bush owner but I'm not going to get all excited yet, I'm thinking that because of his lack of production over the last couple of years teams may have forgotten about focusing on him, a couple of good games would change this in a hurry.

I think the NO offense is going to be something special this year - making it hard for defenses to focus on any one person - including Bush, Colston, or Shockey.

 

[p00h]

why do people get hung up on him not being that great of a runner, but a great receiver?!? From a fantasy football perspective, what's the difference?!?! buck50 and a touch is buck50 and a touch, unless your league gives less points for receiving yards than rushing yards. Never understood this perspective, and always believed it to be something bush hators just latched onto for the sake of hating.

Now in terms of ACTUAL football, maybe he's not the best rb on the team blahblahblah, but I'll take his buck61 and td any day of the week...

 

[Football Jones]

I've ragged on Reggie as much as anyone, but he had a great game yesterday (FF-wise). The bad news is that paultry rush average. Thomas averaged over 5, Bush about 3.6. Very small sample size (obviously), but Bush's low YPC has continued from day-1. There's only so much you can do with swing passes & screens. I don't see a breakout year. Not at all.

Laugh if you want, but I believe the Saints would be better off with Bush playing the slot, returning kicks, etc., & a Deuce/Thomas backfield (if Deuce was healthy). You won't see it, tho (at least not this year). I guess they'll continue status quo for the time being (unless Deuce starts contributing). Bush is still valuable in PPR leagues (& regular leagues to an extent), but he's going to have to get it done on the ground at some point. Otherwise, Thomas (or someone else) will take more & more carries from him.

In short, I can't imagine Bush being a longterm success (both NFL & FF) if he can't produce on the ground. If not, he'll eventually fail as their feature back, IMO.

 

[valhallan]

He looked better than he ever has yesterday. Not because of his stat line, but because of how he ran. He actually made slight cuts, rather than the usual dancing, and moved FORWARD on every play. Hate all you want (and I've been as critical of Reggie as anyone), but if he continues to run like he did it's just a matter of time before he brings that average up.

 

[p00h]

I've ragged on Reggie as much as anyone, but he had a great game yesterday (FF-wise). The bad news is that paultry rush average. Thomas averaged over 5, Bush about 3.6. Very small sample size (obviously), but Bush's low YPC has continued from day-1. There's only so much you can do with swing passes & screens. I don't see a breakout year. Not at all.Laugh if you want, but I believe the Saints would be better off with Bush playing the slot, returning kicks, etc., & a Deuce/Thomas backfield (if Deuce was healthy). You won't see it, tho (at least not this year). I guess they'll continue status quo for the time being (unless Deuce starts contributing). Bush is still valuable in PPR leagues (& regular leagues to an extent), but he's going to have to get it done on the ground at some point. Otherwise, Thomas (or someone else) will take more & more carries from him. In short, I can't imagine Bush being a longterm FF success if he can't produce on the ground. If not, he'll eventually fail as their feature back, IMO.

whats the difference if he gets 15 rushes for 50 yards but breaks off a 110 on 8 catches?!? That team is all about throwing anyways. I have no issues with his rpc being low, or other rbs on the team having 5+ rpc, or duece and pierre getting into his touches. He is the player he is, and I believe NO is trying to utilize him to the best of not just his abilities, but also the personality of the team. They are going to be a pass happy team, and thats not just because of bush. So I think it's a marriage made in heaven to be honest. It'd be dumb for them to give him 20+ carries and expect a 5+ ypc to be honest. Get him into open space, and he can break off a 50+ yarder. That's significantly more productive than 20 carries that net you 100 yards, giving you that all so coveted 5+ ypc. Dunno, I think they are utilizing him exactly the way they should be, and for that reason I have no hangups on his ypc, or that there are better pure rbs on the team than him...

 

[Tiger Fan]

won't breakout in a non-PPR league IMO

 

[saintfool]

He looked better than he ever has yesterday. Not because of his stat line, but because of how he ran. He actually made slight cuts, rather than the usual dancing, and moved FORWARD on every play. Hate all you want (and I've been as critical of Reggie as anyone), but if he continues to run like he did it's just a matter of time before he brings that average up.

i have to agree. he ran pretty hard against a very good Tampa defense. the spotty playcalling didn't make it easy for the saints offense all the way around.

 

[kingmalaki]

So now can we say he is the next great slot receiver or receiver out of the backfield since it's evident he isn't the next great RB as once projected?

 

[EBF]

Watching the highlights on NFL.com, you could see that he definitely has his burst back. He's also looking bigger and stronger these days. I think if the Saints use him correctly he can become a Tiki Barber type of back. He has a lot of talent and he won't be washing out of the league anytime soon contrary to what the haters say.

 

[the spanker]

So now can we say he is the next great slot receiver or receiver out of the backfield since it's evident he isn't the next great RB as once projected?

He hasn't even played 3 years in the league yet However doesn't really matter, I'll take those FF points and TDs however he gets them

 

[EBF]

Here are some highlights from the game:

http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d80a99488

This is more like the Reggie I expected to see from day one of his rookie season. He's showing pretty good burst and quickness along with a little bit of power.

I don't think he'll ever be the Faulk type back that he was touted as, but I think he has a lot in common with Tiki. Both are versatile smaller backs who have just enough size to handle every down duty. I think he can flourish if the stars align like they did for Barber.

 

[Afro Samurai]

So now can we say he is the next great slot receiver or receiver out of the backfield since it's evident he isn't the next great RB as once projected?

If he's putting up 160 yards against one of the best defenses in the league, what difference does it make what you call him?

 

[Pictus Cat]

has anyone presented their case to having reggie listed as a wr in the leauge? im think ill submit mine tomorrow.

Got a letter from yahoo on it.If the Saints list him as a WR, Yahoo will list him as a RB/WR, retaining his first designation and gaining the new.Don't hold your breath.

 

[KellysHeroes]

Glad I brought Low on him in a couple of leagues

 

[Dancing Bear]

Bush had one good receiving game and you folks are ready to enshrine him.

He will not see that many receiving attempts in every game nor will he see that many rushing attempts every game.

Not that the rushing attempts matter at all. He still on his career average ... that whopping 3.6 yards per rush.

 

[KellysHeroes]

Bush had one good receiving game and you folks are ready to enshrine him.

He will not see that many receiving attempts in every game nor will he see that many rushing attempts every game.

Not that the rushing attempts matter at all. He still on his career average ... that whopping 3.6 yards per rush.

You really haven't watched the Saints since they drafted him and brought in Brees.8 Recs is almost a normal day for Reggie

 

[EBF]

Bush had one good receiving game and you folks are ready to enshrine him.He will not see that many receiving attempts in every game nor will he see that many rushing attempts every game.Not that the rushing attempts matter at all. He still on his career average ... that whopping 3.6 yards per rush.

He had a good game. Without Bush, the Saints probably lose that game. People get too hung up on the rushing numbers without considering the overall impact he has on the offense (nevermind that he actually looked good running the ball despite what the stat line says). He was among the league leaders in receptions/game last year and he'll continue to be a major weapon as a dual threat.

 

[saintfool]

Bush had one good receiving game and you folks are ready to enshrine him.

He will not see that many receiving attempts in every game nor will he see that many rushing attempts every game.

Not that the rushing attempts matter at all. He still on his career average ... that whopping 3.6 yards per rush.

You really haven't watched the Saints since they drafted him and brought in Brees.8 Recs is almost a normal day for Reggie

that was the interesting stat from the game, right? over the last two years, the #1 and #2 leaders in receptions in the NFL have been colston and bush. bush had 23 touches total, which is exactly what one would expect. he might not have the production but the opportunities for him are always there.

 

[Afro Samurai]

Bush had one good receiving game and you folks are ready to enshrine him.He will not see that many receiving attempts in every game nor will he see that many rushing attempts every game.Not that the rushing attempts matter at all. He still on his career average ... that whopping 3.6 yards per rush.

22 touches for 163 yards and a TDThat's what counts. Why are you so hung up on what his rushing average is? What is this need to put the guy in a box and say "well he can't do this and this so he sucks" while ignoring all the great things that he does do?

 

[valhallan]

Bush had one good receiving game and you folks are ready to enshrine him.

He will not see that many receiving attempts in every game nor will he see that many rushing attempts every game.

Not that the rushing attempts matter at all. He still on his career average ... that whopping 3.6 yards per rush.

You really haven't watched the Saints since they drafted him and brought in Brees.8 Recs is almost a normal day for Reggie

that was the interesting stat from the game, right? over the last two years, the #1 and #2 leaders in receptions in the NFL have been colston and bush. bush had 23 touches total, which is exactly what one would expect. he might not have the production but the opportunities for him are always there.

I think the stat was that they were #1 and #2 for most receptions in their first two NFL seasons.

 

[p00h]

Bush had one good receiving game and you folks are ready to enshrine him.

He will not see that many receiving attempts in every game nor will he see that many rushing attempts every game.

Not that the rushing attempts matter at all. He still on his career average ... that whopping 3.6 yards per rush.

You really haven't watched the Saints since they drafted him and brought in Brees.8 Recs is almost a normal day for Reggie

that was the interesting stat from the game, right? over the last two years, the #1 and #2 leaders in receptions in the NFL have been colston and bush. bush had 23 touches total, which is exactly what one would expect. he might not have the production but the opportunities for him are always there.

exactly. give me 10-15 rushes and 5-10 catches per game from bush, and I guarantee he's over 1500 with 10 tds, with a possibility of 2000 and 15-20. The 1500 with 10 are solid #1 numbers, if he goes nuts with 2000 and 15-20, you're talking about top 3 #, possibly #1 numbers. I don't care what his ypc isas long as he gets catches in open space. Will he rip off 110 receiving every week?!? probably not, but he will also not go for 3.6 ypc every game either. Thats the thing, looking at 1 game is foolish, from both ends. Don't go touting him as the next marshall, and do go touting him as a bust. I think he will fall somewhere in the 1500-2000 yards this year. With double digit tds. That O is too good, and they are gameplanning to his stregnths. Duece not being a 20+ touches a game back anymore adds more value to bush. Wish he didn't blow up week 1, would love to buy him, but would be too expensive now. have him in a non ppr league and am very very happy with what I saw week 1...

 

[pantherclub]

I watched the whole game and Reggie looked really really good. The only thing I would caution people with is that he got hit really hard yesterday. It seems he doesnt have the "Emmitt Smith" style of going down when you are getting tackled. Plus the fact that Brees set him up at least 3 times with the high screen pass that the corners read and got a free shot in on him. But he did look super fast yesterday.

 

[Kleck]

Bush is looking like he could be a pretty good value pick this year. In the late 3rd, I couldn't pass him up in the few leagues that he fell to me. But Bush did have some big games like this his rookie year, and like others have said, consistency is key here.

11 of his 22 touches went for 2 yards or less (9 were rushes), and half of his touches will probably be like that in most games. It's making sure he gets the ball in well designed plays, along with good reads from Brees that set Bush up in the open field where he can exploit his talents. And when that happens, we'll see games of his like we did yesterday.

 

[Afro Samurai]

Bush had one good receiving game and you folks are ready to enshrine him.

He will not see that many receiving attempts in every game nor will he see that many rushing attempts every game.

Not that the rushing attempts matter at all. He still on his career average ... that whopping 3.6 yards per rush.

You really haven't watched the Saints since they drafted him and brought in Brees.8 Recs is almost a normal day for Reggie

that was the interesting stat from the game, right? over the last two years, the #1 and #2 leaders in receptions in the NFL have been colston and bush. bush had 23 touches total, which is exactly what one would expect. he might not have the production but the opportunities for him are always there.

exactly. give me 10-15 rushes and 5-10 catches per game from bush, and I guarantee he's over 1500 with 10 tds, with a possibility of 2000 and 15-20. The 1500 with 10 are solid #1 numbers, if he goes nuts with 2000 and 15-20, you're talking about top 3 #, possibly #1 numbers. I don't care what his ypc isas long as he gets catches in open space. Will he rip off 110 receiving every week?!? probably not, but he will also not go for 3.6 ypc every game either. Thats the thing, looking at 1 game is foolish, from both ends. Don't go touting him as the next marshall, and do go touting him as a bust. I think he will fall somewhere in the 1500-2000 yards this year. With double digit tds. That O is too good, and they are gameplanning to his stregnths. Duece not being a 20+ touches a game back anymore adds more value to bush. Wish he didn't blow up week 1, would love to buy him, but would be too expensive now. have him in a non ppr league and am very very happy with what I saw week 1...

Another thing to remember is, this was a very good TB defense he was up against, and he has never been very productive against that team.

Will he get 160 and a TD every week? Maybe not, but the fact that he did it against a defense like TB's is a very good sign.

 

[NorrisB]

I watched the whole game and Reggie looked really really good. The only thing I would caution people with is that he got hit really hard yesterday. It seems he doesnt have the "Emmitt Smith" style of going down when you are getting tackled. Plus the fact that Brees set him up at least 3 times with the high screen pass that the corners read and got a free shot in on him. But he did look super fast yesterday.

The problem is, is the oline looked very mediocre for them

 

[John Mamula]

He's a top 10 back in PPR.

If you got him in the 3rd round where his ADP was you got a steal.

I imagine he'll be a lot like Tiki Barber earlier in his career consistantly being drafted lower than he should be and only after 5 years of consistantly providing fantasy teams sick value do people finally jump on board.

 

[John Mamula]

Well, you know what they say about 3rd year receivers.

10/10

 

[Bermuda_Chub]

Bush had a whale of a game, but most of his productivity came late in the game after Brooks left with a hammy and the Saints ran their next several plays right at his replacement. That said, the Bucs still have one of the best defenses that the Saints will play all year (only Minnesota and Chicago are arguably better). Judging by this performance, if Bush can avoid the injury bug, he will finish top-10 in any format.

 

[Tiger Fan]

Bush has played 31 games in his career. In a PPR league he averages 18 pts/game, and has only gone under 10 points 5 x (9.2, 8.5, 8.3, 7.5, 5.7, 4.1). I'd say that's pretty damn impressive.

 

[switz]

I've ragged on Reggie as much as anyone, but he had a great game yesterday (FF-wise). The bad news is that paultry rush average. Thomas averaged over 5, Bush about 3.6. Very small sample size (obviously), but Bush's low YPC has continued from day-1. There's only so much you can do with swing passes & screens. I don't see a breakout year. Not at all.

On a couple of his runs, I was yelling "stop dancing"... ugh... he'd get to the corner, and he could get 2-3 yards if he just hit the end, but no, he'd stop and dance and the defender would get him. He needs to stop looking to make a big play every time and take what the defense gives him.Thing is, he's still their best RB, even if his YPC is lower than PT and DM, because he's more versatile and IS a threat to score every time he touches. Defenses still respect him more.

In short, I can't imagine Bush being a longterm success (both NFL & FF) if he can't produce on the ground. If not, he'll eventually fail as their feature back, IMO.

I'm not sure he's featured... PT saw a lot of time yesterday as well.As long as Bush breaks a long play or two per game, they won't change anything, because the defense respects him enough to open up other aspects of the game.