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Reverse Mortgages: avoid like gluten and sharks (1 Viewer)

Doctor Detroit

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The Fonz and Fantasycurse42 will want to sell you these, or sell them to your elderly family, but this is the worst financial instrument this side of whole life insurance. Warren Buffet hates them, and so should you.

Don't do this to your family, and if they are thinking about it, tell them the Fonz isn't cool.

 
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I normally suggest them as last ditch efforts and to shop around with a full understanding of what you are getting in to and how it works. I think alot of seniors who do these would be better off by selling and downsizing. For some, that is not option and if money runs out then there may be no other alternative.

I strongly opposed this when one of my wife's family members asked her whether they should do it. It was more about having more money to do fun stuff than it was about desperate last chance need. They were considering it because a lot of their friends in their retirement community were doing it. :wall:

 
So basically pissing away any wealth you may have accumulated before your ungrateful kids waste it?
There are other downfalls beyond that. If you don't understand and play by the rules of the reverse mortgage- you are kicked out of your house. If you don't pay the insurance and/or taxes- you are out. Fees and interest can be very high.

 
What do most kids do with their parents place when they die?

That's right they sell it.

So if you have a senior couple and their only asset left is their home fully paid for and they are healthy, and need income and can't move and frankly don't give a rats ### about leaving anything to their heirs because.....they need to you know live and eat and still function and want to keep their independence? They can do a reverse mortgage and use their money.

It is a last resort no question. But it serves a specific need and purpose in income planning for people who manage to outlive their savings or don't give a rats ### about leaving anything and want to increase or enhance their retirement income.

Nothing wrong with them for the right situation. It's their money. It's a dead asset to them while they are alive. Use it or lose it.

 
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So basically pissing away any wealth you may have accumulated before your ungrateful kids waste it?
There are other downfalls beyond that. If you don't understand and play by the rules of the reverse mortgage- you are kicked out of your house. If you don't pay the insurance and/or taxes- you are out. Fees and interest can be very high.
Know the rules before you play any game. As long as you pay your taxes and insurance.....your never going to have to pay it back as long as you stay in your home.

Pretty black and white.

 
So basically pissing away any wealth you may have accumulated before your ungrateful kids waste it?
There are other downfalls beyond that. If you don't understand and play by the rules of the reverse mortgage- you are kicked out of your house. If you don't pay the insurance and/or taxes- you are out. Fees and interest can be very high.
Wouldn't most of that happen if they stop paying their mortgage?

 
So basically pissing away any wealth you may have accumulated before your ungrateful kids waste it?
There are other downfalls beyond that. If you don't understand and play by the rules of the reverse mortgage- you are kicked out of your house. If you don't pay the insurance and/or taxes- you are out. Fees and interest can be very high.
Know the rules before you play any game. As long as you pay your taxes and insurance.....your never going to have to pay it back as long as you stay in your home.

Pretty black and white.
You obviously have not dealt with a lot of elderly people in financial matters and have not seen how some of these reverse mortgages are sold. I have.

 
So basically pissing away any wealth you may have accumulated before your ungrateful kids waste it?
There are other downfalls beyond that. If you don't understand and play by the rules of the reverse mortgage- you are kicked out of your house. If you don't pay the insurance and/or taxes- you are out. Fees and interest can be very high.
Wouldn't most of that happen if they stop paying their mortgage?
Alot of these are sold to people who own their home, free and clear.

I am not totally against reverse mortgages but they are for a very specific customer. They are sold too much to too many people who don't fully understand them. Just like Option ARMs which are now roundly vilified- a financial product like that can be a good thing for the right customer but because they are lucrative for the companies who deal them they end up getting pushed to people who ought not have them.

 
So basically pissing away any wealth you may have accumulated before your ungrateful kids waste it?
There are other downfalls beyond that. If you don't understand and play by the rules of the reverse mortgage- you are kicked out of your house. If you don't pay the insurance and/or taxes- you are out. Fees and interest can be very high.
Know the rules before you play any game. As long as you pay your taxes and insurance.....your never going to have to pay it back as long as you stay in your home.

Pretty black and white.
You obviously have not dealt with a lot of elderly people in financial matters and have not seen how some of these reverse mortgages are sold. I have.
Everything/everyone can be taken advantage of. Can you separate out the product from the sales?

 
So basically pissing away any wealth you may have accumulated before your ungrateful kids waste it?
There are other downfalls beyond that. If you don't understand and play by the rules of the reverse mortgage- you are kicked out of your house. If you don't pay the insurance and/or taxes- you are out. Fees and interest can be very high.
Know the rules before you play any game. As long as you pay your taxes and insurance.....your never going to have to pay it back as long as you stay in your home.Pretty black and white.
You obviously have not dealt with a lot of elderly people in financial matters and have not seen how some of these reverse mortgages are sold. I have.
As a matter of fact I have. There are a lot of sharks out there. I know exactly how they are being positoned by the thieves in the industry. But for a well informed eldery client working with a legit professional it is a viable option for the right client/situation.Obviously? Lmfao. Ok man. Did you even bother to read my first post? I was very clear it is useful for the right situation and client.

Dont lecture me. Been managing hundreds of millions of dollars for 17 plus years now. I know exactly who it an and cannot benefit.

Unfortunatley a lot of people who get burned by them or any other financial product are misinformed, have no fianncial professional they can lean on and are abused, it seems to be the American way for most of the country and makes my job very difficult (and yet easy as a real honest advisor can stick out like a sore thumb among the scum in the industry).

I reside in the state of Florida and go through extensive compliance training on senior abuse. In fact i have been able to spot it and derail it several times for my clients.

Anyway.

 
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When a product is pushed as heavily as this one, you have to understand what a profitable item that it is for the seller. While it can have benefits for the seniors and has saved people who had no other outlet, it is generally missold and is not good for the buyer.

 
I bought a whole life insurance policy when I got married 20 years ago. Been making 8.5% every year since. Pretty happy with it. :coffee:

 
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So my MIL is a disaster. She's 61. She has 8 yrs left on a 1st mortgage and 22 yrs left on 2nd. 1st year Principal Balance is $45,221 at 5.875 rate and $87,000 for 2nd at 7.240 rate ... Plus another $25,000 in cc debt.

She's looking at a refi and consolidation. She can retire with decent benefits at 70.

I'm debating advising her to go bankrupt, keep what she has and go reverse mortgage after she retires, or do the refi. I don't know how she pays any mortgage after retirement though.

 
So basically pissing away any wealth you may have accumulated before your ungrateful kids waste it?
There are other downfalls beyond that. If you don't understand and play by the rules of the reverse mortgage- you are kicked out of your house. If you don't pay the insurance and/or taxes- you are out. Fees and interest can be very high.
What rules?

 
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So basically pissing away any wealth you may have accumulated before your ungrateful kids waste it?
There are other downfalls beyond that. If you don't understand and play by the rules of the reverse mortgage- you are kicked out of your house. If you don't pay the insurance and/or taxes- you are out. Fees and interest can be very high.
Wouldn't most of that happen if they stop paying their mortgage?
It is not easy for them to kick a homeowner out. It is a lengthy and expensive process when in the meantime they can rectify it.

 
So my MIL is a disaster. She's 61. She has 8 yrs left on a 1st mortgage and 22 yrs left on 2nd. 1st year Principal Balance is $45,221 at 5.875 rate and $87,000 for 2nd at 7.240 rate ... Plus another $25,000 in cc debt.

She's looking at a refi and consolidation. She can retire with decent benefits at 70.

I'm debating advising her to go bankrupt, keep what she has and go reverse mortgage after she retires, or do the refi. I don't know how she pays any mortgage after retirement though.
People not taking advantage of historically low interest rates blows my mind.

If she keeps the house, refi's, works until 70 to collect max SS, and works a part-time job after retirement she'll be fine.

 
eoMMan said:
Yeah, pros and cons here. To use the word AVOID for everyone and every situation is silly.
:lmao:

No, they really aren't avoid bonds guy. :no:

The loans, however, have been controversial. Historically, reverse mortgages have had high costs and fees relative to traditional loans and consumer advocates have said the benefits may not outweigh the cost. As the CFPB notes in its report, senior citizens are often confused about the terms of the loans, even though a borrower wishing to obtain one of these loans, which are typically federally insured, must first see a qualified housing counselor.

The original purpose envisioned for reverse mortgages was to provide a steady income stream for retirement. But in 2011, 73 percent of such borrowers took a lump sum payment instead. This may be a poor financial decision, according to the CFPB. That's because seniors often don't consider how the interest on this debt will cause their home equity to evaporate more quickly. In other cases, borrowers may be saving or investing the lump-sum proceeds and might be earning less than they are paying in interest, the CFPB said.

More 60-somethings are also taking out reverse mortgages, the CFPB found. This can prove a problem should one of these seniors, who took a lump sum, decide to move elsewhere but learn that he or she is essentially stuck.

The two largest reverse mortgage originators, Wells Fargo and Bank of America, exited the market in 2011. Wells Fargo cited concerns about the reputational risks of foreclosing on seniors as a result of tax and insurance defaults.
Consumer Reports discusses Reverse Mortgage rip offs

This is pretty much a last resort for people, they are not a reasonable option for anyone.

 
Todem said:
What do most kids do with their parents place when they die?

That's right they sell it.

So if you have a senior couple and their only asset left is their home fully paid for and they are healthy, and need income and can't move and frankly don't give a rats ### about leaving anything to their heirs because.....they need to you know live and eat and still function and want to keep their independence? They can do a reverse mortgage and use their money.

It is a last resort no question. But it serves a specific need and purpose in income planning for people who manage to outlive their savings or don't give a rats ### about leaving anything and want to increase or enhance their retirement income.

Nothing wrong with them for the right situation. It's their money. It's a dead asset to them while they are alive. Use it or lose it.
Why wouldn't they just refinance or a get a HELOC? Or sell it themselves? I honestly do not see any right situation, unless those people are unable to sell their house because of market conditions. :shrug:

 
St. Louis Bob said:
I bought a whole life insurance policy when I got married 20 years ago. Been making 8.5% every year since. Pretty happy with it. :coffee:
Good for you. :thumbup:

In general however, buyer beware: http://www.dailyfinance.com/2014/07/03/whole-life-insurance-bad-investment-most-people/

Many financial advisers love whole life insurance, and I'd love to offer a conservative investment to my clients that pays a safe return, but the numbers just don't jibe.

I have a $2.5 million, 30-year term policy on myself, and I pay $1,790 per year. I priced a $250,000 whole life policy for a 30-year-old male, and the cost was $3,440 per year. For a tenth of the coverage, the annual premium almost doubles.

I can already hear whole life insurance zealots foaming at the mouth.
I can already hear whole life insurance zealots foaming at the mouth, waiting to shout things like, "whole life insurance offers great returns," and "it's much safer than the stock market."And I've heard it all before, but every scenario I have ever encountered where an individual has been paying on a whole life policy for an extended number of years, what they were told they would have accumulated by that point has never been even close to what they actually have.

When I wrote about that elsewhere, the article generated this comment: "Whole life policies don't really start kicking in until retirement. Your clients that have those policies have usually just gotten past the insurance cost and won't see their cash value compound rapidly until they're 35 years in ... unless the policy was designed to do so."

Did you catch that? This whole life enthusiast wants me to wait 35 years until I start seeing my cash value accrue. No thanks.

Still wanting to believe that whole life insurance can make sense, I polled several other certified financial planners. Here's what they had to say.

The Difference Between Term and Whole Life

At its core, life insurance is about replacing a person's income in case of their untimely death. If you're only interested in income replacement, then term life insurance will generally suffice: You are insured for a certain period, generally 10 to 30 years. Whole life insurance (also known as permanent or universal life insurance) doesn't expire like term insurance does, unless you let your policy lapse.

Whole life insurance is a great deal more expensive than term insurance. For that reason alone, individuals who earn less than $200,000 or so per year, according to certified financial planner Joshua Thompson, should stick to low-cost term life.

Benefits of Whole Life Insurance

In addition to the fact that your death benefits from whole life insurance never expire -- meaning your family will see the insurance pay out whether you pass away young or live to a ripe old age -- there are some good reasons for choosing whole life over term.

  • Age and price. If you go for a term policy when you are in your 30s, the price difference between it and a whole policy will be enormous. However, as you age, term life insurance becomes more expensive. Eventually, you may find that you are uninsurable with a term policy because of age or health.
  • Potential cash value benefits. Basically, as you pay premiums for whole life, your policy's cash value grows. Often, whole life policies will present a minimum cash surrender value, guaranteeing that your policy will grow to a certain level in a certain number of years -- although the cash value amount will be lower than the face value of the policy. For instance, according to Kiplinger, "It's entirely possible that a $250,000 policy bought at age 35 could accumulate a cash surrender value of $100,000 by the time you reach age 65." "Could" is the key word here. The cash value is tax-sheltered, meaning neither the interest nor the earnings are taxable. When you turn in your policy, you can collect whatever the cash value tax-free, provided that the cash value does not exceed what you have paid in premiums. Once you reach a certain level of cash value, the investment will be earning dividends sufficient to pay the policy's premiums -- if you chose to use them that way -- making the policy self-sustaining.
  • A source of money. You can borrow against your cash value while leaving the policy in place. If you do so, you are not required to pay back the loan, although you will owe interest on it -- and your beneficiaries will see the amount of interest and debt outstanding deducted from the death benefits.
The Rich Man's RothWhole life insurance is sometimes referred to as the rich man's Roth. That's because once you reach a certain income level (over $191,000 for married couples and over $129,000 for individuals), you can no longer contribute to a Roth IRA, which means you lose out on the tax benefits. But these individuals can still put after-tax money into tax-sheltered whole life insurance.

Whole life will allow high-earners to take advantage of tax-free growth and potentially add a tax-free source of retirement income if they decide to cash out or take a loan from the policy.

Alternatively, whole life insurance can allow high-earners to create a safe legacy for their heirs while being more aggressive with other aspects of their portfolios. Even if your investments are in a downturn at the time of your death, your family will still receive the life insurance payout. This gives you more freedom to invest aggressively elsewhere.

8 Variables for Buying Whole Life Insurance

Joshua Thompson, a certified financial planner, has identified eight variables for determining if whole life is a good addition to a given person's portfolio:

  1. Are you contributing the maximum to your qualified retirement plan -- e.g., 401(k)?
  2. Are you contributing the maximum to an IRA? Can that IRA be converted to a Roth?
  3. Will you truly benefit from tax-free growth? That is, are you in the 28 percent or higher tax bracket?
  4. Will you potentially be in the same or higher tax bracket in retirement?
  5. What type of liability do you have due to your work or lifestyle? Does your state of residence protect the cash value of your life insurance and annuities?
  6. How much are you investing into a normal non-qualified investment account?
  7. Would you be better served with an annuity?
  8. Do you have a plan for estate taxes?
You should also consider just how long you intend to hold the policy. While whole life insurance policies are theoretically in place for life, policyholders who hope to use the cash value during retirement may want to reconsider if their retirement is less than 35 years away. It will generally take that long before the cash value of the policy begins compounding rapidly.Clearly, whole life insurance is not a product that every person will benefit from, and only under very specific circumstances cab even high earners expect to truly profit from it.

Buyer Beware

There is a general consensus among financial gurus like Dave Ramsey that whole life insurance is evil. And to be honest, many of the issues that Ramsey and others point are true. In particular, commissions for whole life policies can start at 55 percent of the first year's premiums and can be as high as 100 percent.

That means that insurance agents can be very motivated to sell you a policy. And since the insurance industry is not required to follow fiduciary standards (which would require agents to put your best interests ahead of theirs), there is a huge potential for conflict of interest.

The other aspect of whole life insurance that makes personal finance experts twitchy is that illustrations of potential cash value offered by agents are so often unrealistic. Signing on the dotted line for a whole life policy that is supposed to make you rich in retirement -- especially when you aren't already -- is a terrible idea. You'll simply be sending good money into the ether and not necessarily seeing the return you could get with other investments.

Insurance Is Not an Investment

Insurance is not an investment. As certified financial planner Susan Quigley puts it, "Insurance is a transference of risk, spread out over many people in a similar category to reduce everyone's risk."

This is why whole life insurance generally has a place only in the portfolios of high-earners who have maxed out their other investment opportunities. According to financial adviser Bill Dix, "whole life insurance is the conservative part of a client's portfolio." If you're putting money into a whole life policy in the hope that it will mean smooth sailing in your retirement years, then you are wasting your money.

What Average Earners Should Do

Many financial experts recommend that people who do not enjoy a Scrooge McDuck level of wealth buy term insurance and invest the difference between the term premiums and the whole life premiums. However, investing the difference is like not eating the Rocky Road ice cream in the freezer -- it's a rare bird who can actually do that.


Otherwise, it's best to uncouple your life insurance needs from your investment needs. You need life insurance presumably as a hedge against lost income now, and as a legacy later after you have retired. Your investment needs are about ensuring a comfortable retirement. Even though it is all your money, it will make more sense to earmark money for your life insurance as separate from the money for your investments.

Most earners should purchase a sufficient term life policy and a modest permanent life insurance policy. That means your family will be economically taken care of if you die during your earning years, and you will have something in place for your heirs if you make it into your 90s -- when no term life insurance agent would touch you with a 10-foot pole.

"Whole life is dangerous because it is so expensive," says Neal Frankle, a certified financial planner and DailyFinance contributor. "It soaks up so much of your cash. You may not have enough money to buy all the coverage you really need. As a result, many people go terribly underinsured, and it's the family that pays the price."

The Bottom Line

There is a very good reason why talking about life insurance at a cocktail party will mean that you are not invited back. Not only do we not enjoy thinking about our own mortality, but the products can be confusing, the agents can be pushy, and even the experts can disagree on the right course of action.

This is why it's so important to partner with a trusted financial advisor who can help steer you to the products that will best serve your needs. Your family will be glad that you did.
 
Anyone needs a reverse mortgage feel free to send me a PM. I have calling cards available too.

Thanks for the plug Doctor :thumbup:

 
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So basically pissing away any wealth you may have accumulated before your ungrateful kids waste it?
There are other downfalls beyond that. If you don't understand and play by the rules of the reverse mortgage- you are kicked out of your house. If you don't pay the insurance and/or taxes- you are out. Fees and interest can be very high.
I agree that reverse mortgages have some potentially hidden dangers but you can get kicked out of your home if you don't pay taxes regardless.

 
Todem said:
What do most kids do with their parents place when they die?

That's right they sell it.

So if you have a senior couple and their only asset left is their home fully paid for and they are healthy, and need income and can't move and frankly don't give a rats ### about leaving anything to their heirs because.....they need to you know live and eat and still function and want to keep their independence? They can do a reverse mortgage and use their money.

It is a last resort no question. But it serves a specific need and purpose in income planning for people who manage to outlive their savings or don't give a rats ### about leaving anything and want to increase or enhance their retirement income.

Nothing wrong with them for the right situation. It's their money. It's a dead asset to them while they are alive. Use it or lose it.
Why wouldn't they just refinance or a get a HELOC? Or sell it themselves? I honestly do not see any right situation, unless those people are unable to sell their house because of market conditions. :shrug:
Because their income is so tight, they can't afford payments. They don't want to have monthly payments at all. They will not sell the house because they want to live in the home till they die and can not find suitable replacement and maintain their current lifestyle.

Again....LAST RESORT. BREAK GLASS IN CASE OF EMERGENCY.

 
So my MIL is a disaster. She's 61. She has 8 yrs left on a 1st mortgage and 22 yrs left on 2nd. 1st year Principal Balance is $45,221 at 5.875 rate and $87,000 for 2nd at 7.240 rate ... Plus another $25,000 in cc debt.

She's looking at a refi and consolidation. She can retire with decent benefits at 70.

I'm debating advising her to go bankrupt, keep what she has and go reverse mortgage after she retires, or do the refi. I don't know how she pays any mortgage after retirement though.
People not taking advantage of historically low interest rates blows my mind.

If she keeps the house, refi's, works until 70 to collect max SS, and works a part-time job after retirement she'll be fine.
Well her issue is while she is working right now she can afford the payment on both loans. The first mortgage is paid off in 8 years (age 69) and then she retires at 70 and can afford the 14 years at the lower payment. If she refinances at a 15 or 30 year term, her payment doesn't change that much, and it stays at the higher amount after retirement.

I'm worried about her being able to afford the payment, not the better deal. Or am I looking at it wrong for her? It's a different equation when you're that close to retirement and have no savings.

 
So basically pissing away any wealth you may have accumulated before your ungrateful kids waste it?
There are other downfalls beyond that. If you don't understand and play by the rules of the reverse mortgage- you are kicked out of your house. If you don't pay the insurance and/or taxes- you are out. Fees and interest can be very high.
Know the rules before you play any game. As long as you pay your taxes and insurance.....your never going to have to pay it back as long as you stay in your home.Pretty black and white.
You obviously have not dealt with a lot of elderly people in financial matters and have not seen how some of these reverse mortgages are sold. I have.
As a matter of fact I have. There are a lot of sharks out there. I know exactly how they are being positoned by the thieves in the industry. But for a well informed eldery client working with a legit professional it is a viable option for the right client/situation.Obviously? Lmfao. Ok man. Did you even bother to read my first post? I was very clear it is useful for the right situation and client.

Dont lecture me. Been managing hundreds of millions of dollars for 17 plus years now. I know exactly who it an and cannot benefit.

Unfortunatley a lot of people who get burned by them or any other financial product are misinformed, have no fianncial professional they can lean on and are abused, it seems to be the American way for most of the country and makes my job very difficult (and yet easy as a real honest advisor can stick out like a sore thumb among the scum in the industry).

I reside in the state of Florida and go through extensive compliance training on senior abuse. In fact i have been able to spot it and derail it several times for my clients.

Anyway.
Somehow you took that personally and still did not catch the point of the post. Amazing.

 
So basically pissing away any wealth you may have accumulated before your ungrateful kids waste it?
There are other downfalls beyond that. If you don't understand and play by the rules of the reverse mortgage- you are kicked out of your house. If you don't pay the insurance and/or taxes- you are out. Fees and interest can be very high.
I agree that reverse mortgages have some potentially hidden dangers but you can get kicked out of your home if you don't pay taxes regardless.
Absolutely true but older people who can be confused easily or have a hard time understanding even basic financial matters can end up having a false sense of security. Even more so with how these are sold at times.

They can certainly help and benefit the right customer who has no real other options and fully understands the product. They are a bad to very bad choice for many, many, many others.

 
So basically pissing away any wealth you may have accumulated before your ungrateful kids waste it?
There are other downfalls beyond that. If you don't understand and play by the rules of the reverse mortgage- you are kicked out of your house. If you don't pay the insurance and/or taxes- you are out. Fees and interest can be very high.
Know the rules before you play any game. As long as you pay your taxes and insurance.....your never going to have to pay it back as long as you stay in your home.Pretty black and white.
You obviously have not dealt with a lot of elderly people in financial matters and have not seen how some of these reverse mortgages are sold. I have.
As a matter of fact I have. There are a lot of sharks out there. I know exactly how they are being positoned by the thieves in the industry. But for a well informed eldery client working with a legit professional it is a viable option for the right client/situation.Obviously? Lmfao. Ok man. Did you even bother to read my first post? I was very clear it is useful for the right situation and client.

Dont lecture me. Been managing hundreds of millions of dollars for 17 plus years now. I know exactly who it an and cannot benefit.

Unfortunatley a lot of people who get burned by them or any other financial product are misinformed, have no fianncial professional they can lean on and are abused, it seems to be the American way for most of the country and makes my job very difficult (and yet easy as a real honest advisor can stick out like a sore thumb among the scum in the industry).

I reside in the state of Florida and go through extensive compliance training on senior abuse. In fact i have been able to spot it and derail it several times for my clients.

Anyway.
Somehow you took that personally and still did not catch the point of the post. Amazing.
I got the point you obviously said I don't know anything about how these are sold and have not dealt with elderly clients.

I responded to that. You obviously don't anything about me, my professional credentials and my 2 decades of experience in being a Portfolio Manager/Wealth Manager/Financial Planner.

Amazing.

 
So basically pissing away any wealth you may have accumulated before your ungrateful kids waste it?
There are other downfalls beyond that. If you don't understand and play by the rules of the reverse mortgage- you are kicked out of your house. If you don't pay the insurance and/or taxes- you are out. Fees and interest can be very high.
I agree that reverse mortgages have some potentially hidden dangers but you can get kicked out of your home if you don't pay taxes regardless.
Absolutely true but older people who can be confused easily or have a hard time understanding even basic financial matters can end up having a false sense of security. Even more so with how these are sold at times.

They can certainly help and benefit the right customer who has no real other options and fully understands the product. They are a bad to very bad choice for many, many, many others.
Agreed. My entire point in my original post which I don't think you even understand..... or do you?

"It is a last resort no question. But it serves a specific need and purpose in income planning for people who manage to outlive their savings or don't give a rats ### about leaving anything and want to increase or enhance their retirement income".

 
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this is the worst financial instrument this side of whole life insurance.
My aunt mentioned she has a whole life policy. I know nothing about them. Why are they bad Dr. Death?
FeesHidden fees

Dodgy and complicated rules

Withdrawal penalties

Poor ROI

Interest charged on withdrawls

Shrinking dividend structure

Not recommended to combine insurance and investments

They call them a rich man's Roth, it's primarily for those who can't contribute to a Roth because of income, but still need places to hide money. Im not as anti whole life as I am anti reverse mortgages, but imo anyone not in the highest of income brackets should buy term life and invest elsewhere.

 
this is the worst financial instrument this side of whole life insurance.
My aunt mentioned she has a whole life policy. I know nothing about them. Why are they bad Dr. Death?
FeesHidden fees

Dodgy and complicated rules

Withdrawal penalties

Poor ROI

Interest charged on withdrawls

Shrinking dividend structure

Not recommended to combine insurance and investments

They call them a rich man's Roth, it's primarily for those who can't contribute to a Roth because of income, but still need places to hide money. Im not as anti whole life as I am anti reverse mortgages, but imo anyone not in the highest of income brackets should buy term life and invest elsewhere.
Absolutely correct. Sound advice.

 

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