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yeah- and not to mention how they totally skipped teh draft and signed no one in free agency.
They probably won't even play with a full roster this year due to the trauma from the guys they lost or cut from last year. 
Amen. The D is sick, the WR core has been beefed up by simply bringing their best WR back into the fold, they added a marginally decent RB in Rhodes, and Russell's the darling of camp. I could easily see 6-7 wins for them, and I'm betting that by the end of the year, they'll be one of those spoilers that teams on the edge of the playoffs hate facing.Bloom made a good case for the Dolphins imploding the other day, and the more I think about it, the more I'm buying it. But then again, there'll always be the mess in Cleveland.Also, Ravens in the top 5? I can't argue with Pats, Colts, Chargers, or Saints, but McNair was average most of last year and embarrassing in the playoffs. Would you fear the Baltimore passing game or just put 8 in the box? Top 5
ats, Colts, Broncos, Steelers, ChargersBottom 5:Chiefs, Falcons, Giants, Dolphins, Browns
Putting 8/9 in the box wouldn't be any different than teams have done for the past 5 years against the Ravens. Their line will be improved (how much is difficult to determine but could be quite a bit better), they've upgraded at RB and still have one of the top in not the top defenses/ST's in the league.
Yep - the Titans of last year. I actually like what Kiffin is doing, and I think the most important thing is that Davis seems to be taking a more hands off approach and trusting Lane to do his thing.Amen. The D is sick, the WR core has been beefed up by simply bringing their best WR back into the fold, they added a marginally decent RB in Rhodes, and Russell's the darling of camp. I could easily see 6-7 wins for them, and I'm betting that by the end of the year, they'll be one of those spoilers that teams on the edge of the playoffs hate facing.Mark my words, the Raiders will not be the worst team in this league, particularly with a defense as strong as theirs.
Agreed on all 3. I think the Ravens will be good, but not sure about top 5. Though Clayton seems to be coming into his own, and McGahee has to be considered an upgrade from Jamal at this point. I do think the Browns are headed in the right direction. Adding two top OL and a face of the franchise QB can't be ignored. Lewis may be a slight upgrade over Droughns.
The Giants are an interesting team to me. (Disclosure: I'm a Jets fan, but I go to 2-3 Giants a year). They have tons of talent - I just sort of feel like they're boom or bust - potential for top 5, and potential for bottom 5.Top 5
Because they're the Redskins?redman said:
Seriously though..The Vikings have arguably the best offensive line and the best run defense in the league. They've added an elite playmaker at WR and a guy at WR who many (myself included) are very high on. They have a young QB who showed flashes last year, and though he will probably struggle at times, can't be much worse than BJ. If Chester Taylor could run for 1,500 yards last year, imagine what he and Adrian can do behind that line. They might not even need to pass. The Lions are the Lions, but you have to think they're headed in the right direction. KJ is a big question mark, but the offensive talent cannot be ignored especially under Martz, and they grabbed a QB. Can you imagine having to cover Roy Williams and CJ? They've added insurance for KJ with Duckett and Tater.The Bills? Yeah, maybe you're right. Lynch is a lateral move at this point, though Losman and Evans seem to be emerging.Steelers may be a slight stretch..Marc Faletti said:Amen. The D is sick, the WR core has been beefed up by simply bringing their best WR back into the fold, they added a marginally decent RB in Rhodes, and Russell's the darling of camp. I could easily see 6-7 wins for them, and I'm betting that by the end of the year, they'll be one of those spoilers that teams on the edge of the playoffs hate facing.Bloom made a good case for the Dolphins imploding the other day, and the more I think about it, the more I'm buying it. But then again, there'll always be the mess in Cleveland.corpcow said:
Mark my words, the Raiders will not be the worst team in this league, particularly with a defense as strong as theirs.
Also, Ravens in the top 5? I can't argue with Pats, Colts, Chargers, or Saints, but McNair was average most of last year and embarrassing in the playoffs. Would you fear the Baltimore passing game or just put 8 in the box?
Top 5:
Pats, Colts, Broncos, Steelers, Chargers
Bottom 5:
Chiefs, Falcons, Giants, Dolphins, Browns
I remember being very young and these two teams would always play a preseason game up in the Metrodome.
Way low?Where would you put them and why?
1. Rex Grossman is still our QB.2. TJ is out and we have to rely on Benson to be a featured back.3. Who knows about Briggs.Taking that into consideration, I'm actually pretty happy with #8.benson_will_lead_the_way said:
That's kinda what I was thinking. Way low implies that they should be somewhere in the top 5. With everything you said above, IMO, they aren't in the top 5.
They lost Jackson and Stevens. Both inconsistent and poor 'charcter' guys. Though Pollard isn't s physically talented as Stevens, he's even keeled and adds a vet presence. They have the WRs to make up for jackson's loss and hopefully not to make up for his drops. Alexander's foot was fine enough to finish the season and shouldn't be a problem. They haven't had a backup RB worth a damn for their whole reign as NFCW champs so another non-issue. And with all the injuries last year we were only a FG away from beating Chicago at home for another shot at the NFC title. The health of our stars alone should keep us in the top 10.I think 9 is a pretty dead-on assesment and the D should really help them move up that list. The other NFCW teams are sure to be better but then again, so should we.
redman said:
Yeah, my homerism sure shows when I wonder aloud why my team is ranked 26th instead of 23rd! 
In order to stockpile all this skill position talent, the Lions have had to leave gaping holes at... well, everywhere else. It's not that hard to cover Roy and CJ when you only have to do it for 3 seconds before Kitna gets sacked, and just wait until you see what the Lions roll out in the secondary this year.23 is way too high. I'd suggesting flipping those two numbers for an accurate ranking.
Realistically, I see the Bears finishing out the season at 9-7, possibly 10-6. That will put them in the top 10 but, not the top 5.
LB improved just through development of Jamar Williams 2nd year player and drafting Michael Okwo in the 3rd round. Yes if Briggs doesn't play it will hurt, but now there is good talent to step in behind him.Secondary-improved by having literally the same players but adding in Archuleta. Lovie knows him from St. Louis and he could return to form. However the main improvement is having Mike Brown healthy again. The defense is totally different with him on the field.Dline-just took a hit with Tank Johnson being suspended. However, Tommie Harris is healthy again, add in Anthony Adams-who fits the attacking scheme better than Boone or Scott. Also add in Dusty Dvorchek, a 3rd round pick last year, who is attacking and will be good player in this system.
I'm not sure if this is a joke or not, I hope it is. Even so, Jones was taken 7th overall (2nd RB off the board) and Benson was taken 4th (2nd RB off the board) so there's not a whole lot of difference in draft position.....benson_will_lead_the_way said:2)TJ was overrated and the Oline made him...IMO, plus Benson is more talented and that can't be debated based on draft position.1. Rex Grossman is still our QB.2. TJ is out and we have to rely on Benson to be a featured back.benson_will_lead_the_way said:
3. Who knows about Briggs.
Taking that into consideration, I'm actually pretty happy with #8.
David Carr is more talented than Tom BradyCurtis Enis was more talented than Priest HolmesI'm not sure if this is a joke or not, I hope it is. Even so, Jones was taken 7th overall (2nd RB off the board) and Benson was taken 4th (2nd RB off the board) so there's not a whole lot of difference in draft position.....benson_will_lead_the_way said:2)TJ was overrated and the Oline made him...IMO, plus Benson is more talented and that can't be debated based on draft position.1. Rex Grossman is still our QB.2. TJ is out and we have to rely on Benson to be a featured back.benson_will_lead_the_way said:
3. Who knows about Briggs.
Taking that into consideration, I'm actually pretty happy with #8.
You know, I have always been looking for a surefire way of evaluating talent and this is such an easy formula I don't know how I missed it all these years. Thanks.David Carr is more talented than Tom BradyCurtis Enis was more talented than Priest HolmesI'm not sure if this is a joke or not, I hope it is. Even so, Jones was taken 7th overall (2nd RB off the board) and Benson was taken 4th (2nd RB off the board) so there's not a whole lot of difference in draft position.....benson_will_lead_the_way said:2)TJ was overrated and the Oline made him...IMO, plus Benson is more talented and that can't be debated based on draft position.1. Rex Grossman is still our QB.2. TJ is out and we have to rely on Benson to be a featured back.benson_will_lead_the_way said:
3. Who knows about Briggs.
Taking that into consideration, I'm actually pretty happy with #8.
you can't even debate it. just look where they were drafted.
That should make drafting sooo much easier this year....but wait...wouldn't that mean that Benson > LT? Now I'm confused....
[maninblack]Truly, you have a dizzying intellect.[/maninblack]benson_will_lead_the_way said:
IMO, Thomas Jones is one of the most underrated RBs in the league and Cedric Benson is one of the most overrated RBs in the league. We'll get a good chance to see if that's true or not this year now that Benson won't be stuck on the bench anymore.benson_will_lead_the_way said:
And coming out of college matters about the first 20 seconds of training camp.How you consider that proof is laughingly stupid.benson_will_lead_the_way said:It is true...coming out of college. Now this season we will see how it translates. That is all you are referring to, but coming out of college, no it couldn't be debated.David Carr is more talented than Tom BradyCurtis Enis was more talented than Priest HolmesI'm not sure if this is a joke or not, I hope it is. Even so, Jones was taken 7th overall (2nd RB off the board) and Benson was taken 4th (2nd RB off the board) so there's not a whole lot of difference in draft position.....benson_will_lead_the_way said:2)TJ was overrated and the Oline made him...IMO, plus Benson is more talented and that can't be debated based on draft position.1. Rex Grossman is still our QB.2. TJ is out and we have to rely on Benson to be a featured back.benson_will_lead_the_way said:
3. Who knows about Briggs.
Taking that into consideration, I'm actually pretty happy with #8.
you can't even debate it. just look where they were drafted.
So Benson > LT? Benson went 4th, LT went 5th therefore Benson is better, correct?benson_will_lead_the_way said:It is stupid to think that you, a message board poster, would have more intellect that NFL Coaches and General Managers. They pick the players at those positions based on talent.
So the best player goes #1, the second best #2, and so on?Keep him talking guys. This is gold Jerry, GOLD!benson_will_lead_the_way said:It is stupid to think that you, a message board poster, would have more intellect that NFL Coaches and General Managers. They pick the players at those positions based on talent.
Their defense will be very good this year and they still have Larry Johnson for at least another year. Herm knows how to win games in the regular season and don't forget that they have 8 games at Arrowhead.#18 may be a little high, but they won't finish in the bottom 3rd, either. I personally think they'll finish around #20.
Depends on the QB situation. If Huard returns to his journeyman ways or Croyle goes through the typical first year starter growing pains, then it's going to be a long year.
He probably realized he didn't have a very sound argument.
My first thought as well. What's funny is he even points out some of the big negatives the Titan's have had this offseason in his reasoning and still ranks them there.~~~~Minor nitpick, but the Texans are not the 2nd worse team in the league. I can think of a number of teams more deserving of that honor.
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its nice to not see them in the bottom five, although i'm thinking thats where they belong. i think the o-line will be improved this year. the secondary on the other hand could be record breaking bad. i cant imagine stopping too many teams this year. but hey, maybe roy gets his wish and they score 40 a game this year (and only lose by 20)
agree with the Texans . . .
I think Portis is still pretty good.
