Roethlisberger Accused of Sexual Assault Again (1 Viewer)

[Two Deep]

This guy should play for the Bengals

On the bright side, I'll be able to still use my team name- Big Ben's Therapist

Big Ben Therapist

 

[5-ish Finkle]

Video of just concluded Milledgeville police press conference.

http://www.tmz.com/videos?autoplay=true&am...d3-512c4939b64b

Several areas within the club are being considered a crime scene.

(cop calls him "Roth-lis-in-berger" )

Good Lord, can you get any more Mayberry than those two guys? Wonder if Barney in the back only has one bullet for his gun in his front pocket?

 

[anakin]

Even if this doesnt result in charges, does this being the 2nd incident make disciplinary punishment from Goodell a possibility? Could he be suspended?

What is he going to suspend him for, having sex?I could have 5 women that didn't like the fact I used them as 1 night stands and all say that I sexually assaulted them. But if there are no marks, no reports till weeks or months later...what can be done? Some players leave their mark like Brady who just impregnates them all(I'm kidding PP, relax) or Travis Henry/Cromartie-better examples. Should Cromartie be suspended for fathering 6 children with 7 women or 7 children with 6 women or whatever the case is...where do you draw the line?

Pacman Jones was suspended because of multiple charges but was never convicted of anything. In your scenario nobody is accusing you of wrongdoing. Ben has been accused of wrongdoing multiple times. I believe the Commissioner has authority to suspend for conduct detrimental to the game. Ben is bringing on bad publicity for the NFL and he continues to do so.

Ben has not been charged with anything at this time. The Vegas thing is a civil matter according to the police and the accuser's actions after the fact support the falsehood of those statements. Something to be considered is Ben was allowed to leave Georgia. The police could have held him in custody for 48 hours, but didn't do that. The Steelers could suspend or bench him for a week or two to show their displeasure.

 

[fatness]

I know you read it but it's the understanding part that seems to have stumped you. Unless of course you can offer up a viable explanation as to how someone could go to multiple bars with Rothlisberger and have no idea who he is and when asked to describe him provide his exact height and weight as listed on NFL.com.

You've grabbed on to one tidbit of information and concluded that Roethlisberger is innocent and the woman is lying. That makes as much sense as grabbing on to another tidbit or 2 of information to conclude he's guilty. For example: He was in a college town, hanging with college students, and at (at least) his third bar in a long evening of drinking. He's been accused of a sexual assault before. From that I conclude he's guilty.

Jumping to that conclusion makes as much sense as jumping to the one you chose --- zero sense.

 

[Steelfan7]

Video of just concluded Milledgeville police press conference.

http://www.tmz.com/videos?autoplay=true&am...d3-512c4939b64b

Several areas within the club are being considered a crime scene.

(cop calls him "Roth-lis-in-berger" )

Wow did Ben catch a break or what. What are the chances that a guy with the same physical description as him but different spelled last name is the real suspect? Nothing to see here folks. Move along.

 

[ptsteelers]

Pacman Jones was suspended because of multiple charges ...

.... and lets stop right there. Accusations are not charges. What has Ben been charged with? Arrested for?

Ben has been accused of wrongdoing multiple times.

By whom? Oh yeah, a girl that was, allegedly, sending e-mails about how great is was to be with Ben and now a girl at a club.

I believe the Commissioner has authority to suspend for conduct detrimental to the game.

Correct, and if this is one of those cases, there is something wrong

 

[ninerfan]

Even if this doesnt result in charges, does this being the 2nd incident make disciplinary punishment from Goodell a possibility? Could he be suspended?

Should Cromartie be suspended for fathering 6 children with 7 women or 7 children with 6 women or whatever the case is...where do you draw the line?

its 10 kids w/8 different baby mommas

WTF? Last time I checked rubbers were cheaper than kids.

 

[menobrown]

I know you read it but it's the understanding part that seems to have stumped you. Unless of course you can offer up a viable explanation as to how someone could go to multiple bars with Rothlisberger and have no idea who he is and when asked to describe him provide his exact height and weight as listed on NFL.com.

You've grabbed on to one tidbit of information and concluded that Roethlisberger is innocent and the woman is lying. That makes as much sense as grabbing on to another tidbit or 2 of information to conclude he's guilty. For example: He was in a college town, hanging with college students, and at (at least) his third bar in a long evening of drinking. He's been accused of a sexual assault before. From that I conclude he's guilty.

Jumping to that conclusion makes as much sense as jumping to the one you chose --- zero sense.

Wrong. I said the women was not telling the truth because it's not plausible to say you don't know him especially when you are able to provide his exact listed measurements. Now from that statement I made you inferred that I said he was not guilty because that's the reasonable conclusion people make when an accuser is lying. You should think about that before lecturing me on jumping to conclusions.

 

[B-Deep]

We should all realize by now that the public image of these players does not tell us who they are. Could Ben be a stand up guy who has run into two gold diggers? Sure. He could also be the kind of guy who thinks NO ONE says no to Big Ben. Any of us claiming to know are just plain wrong.

If he did nothing wrong, the dude has to find ways not to get in these spots. That prolly means stop hitting on chicks in bars. Sorry, it' be nice if he could bang his way through every skank he found (with their consent of course), and legally he can, but it is gonna put him in bad places. He'd better find a few steady pieces or get very friendly with the juggs machine. He just has to find a way to stay out of these situations, if he is innocent.

of course if he did it i hope he gets sent up the river.

and unless there is rock solid evidence that this is a money grab it is going to affect how I look at him. If I am unsure if he is a guy who forces himself on women it is going to be a lot harder for me to be a fan.

 

[B-Deep]

I know you read it but it's the understanding part that seems to have stumped you. Unless of course you can offer up a viable explanation as to how someone could go to multiple bars with Rothlisberger and have no idea who he is and when asked to describe him provide his exact height and weight as listed on NFL.com.

You've grabbed on to one tidbit of information and concluded that Roethlisberger is innocent and the woman is lying. That makes as much sense as grabbing on to another tidbit or 2 of information to conclude he's guilty. For example: He was in a college town, hanging with college students, and at (at least) his third bar in a long evening of drinking. He's been accused of a sexual assault before. From that I conclude he's guilty.

Jumping to that conclusion makes as much sense as jumping to the one you chose --- zero sense.

Wrong. I said the women was not telling the truth because it's not plausible to say you don't know him especially when you are able to provide his exact listed measurements.

Now from that statement I made you inferred that I said he was not guilty because that's the reasonable conclusion people make when an accuser is lying. You should think about that before lecturing me on jumping to conclusions.

where did we learn that info?

 

[B-Deep]

The incident reportedly took place in a back hallway of Capitol City nightclub, a popular college hotspot that's located two blocks away from Georgia College & State University.

Roethlisberger just turned 28. Why is he going to college "hotspots"? I definitely think that shows bad judgment.

While he should be free to go out wherever he pleases hanging out with 20 year old girls at college bars late at night is pretty dumb and asking for trouble.That said it is odd that she supposedly was hanging out with him much of the night but did not identify Roethlisberger by name to the police. Instead she described her assailant as a white male, 6'5" tall and weighing 241 lbs, which is exactly the measurements listed on the Steelers website.

this seems to be where the measurment info was introduced, but I cannot find the source.just curious for how it was presented.

I have not seen or heard much from the actual police report.

 

[ScottyFargo]

I know you read it but it's the understanding part that seems to have stumped you. Unless of course you can offer up a viable explanation as to how someone could go to multiple bars with Rothlisberger and have no idea who he is and when asked to describe him provide his exact height and weight as listed on NFL.com.

You've grabbed on to one tidbit of information and concluded that Roethlisberger is innocent and the woman is lying. That makes as much sense as grabbing on to another tidbit or 2 of information to conclude he's guilty. For example: He was in a college town, hanging with college students, and at (at least) his third bar in a long evening of drinking. He's been accused of a sexual assault before. From that I conclude he's guilty.

Jumping to that conclusion makes as much sense as jumping to the one you chose --- zero sense.

Wrong. I said the women was not telling the truth because it's not plausible to say you don't know him especially when you are able to provide his exact listed measurements. Now from that statement I made you inferred that I said he was not guilty because that's the reasonable conclusion people make when an accuser is lying. You should think about that before lecturing me on jumping to conclusions.

What if she was scared to name him because it might make her look bad? Her lying about not knowing who he was doesn't mean the events were also made up.

 

[Cookiemonster]

I know you read it but it's the understanding part that seems to have stumped you. Unless of course you can offer up a viable explanation as to how someone could go to multiple bars with Rothlisberger and have no idea who he is and when asked to describe him provide his exact height and weight as listed on NFL.com.

You've grabbed on to one tidbit of information and concluded that Roethlisberger is innocent and the woman is lying. That makes as much sense as grabbing on to another tidbit or 2 of information to conclude he's guilty. For example: He was in a college town, hanging with college students, and at (at least) his third bar in a long evening of drinking. He's been accused of a sexual assault before. From that I conclude he's guilty.

Jumping to that conclusion makes as much sense as jumping to the one you chose --- zero sense.

Wrong. I said the women was not telling the truth because it's not plausible to say you don't know him especially when you are able to provide his exact listed measurements. Now from that statement I made you inferred that I said he was not guilty because that's the reasonable conclusion people make when an accuser is lying. You should think about that before lecturing me on jumping to conclusions.

Wow. You two should be lawers. Or live with my wife. Either way, great job debating semantics. Sorry I don't have anything nearly as insightful to add.

 

[fatness]

What if she was scared to name him because it might make her look bad? Her lying about not knowing who he was doesn't mean the events were also made up.

I don't think there is any report of the woman saying she did not know who he was.

 

[ScottyFargo]

What if she was scared to name him because it might make her look bad? Her lying about not knowing who he was doesn't mean the events were also made up.

I don't think there is any report of the woman saying she did not know who he was.

Yeah they are debating the post that didn't have source but said it was "odd she didn't name him but described him based on his exact stats available off the Steelers' website." You're right, though, I haven't seen that anywhere else.

 

[B-Deep]

ESPN says a bouncer said Roth and his crew were in the VIP room and the bouncer was instructed not to let any men back. he said anywhere from 5-20 women were in and out all night. There was, apparently, a bathroom not accessible to the general public. No men other than the Roth crew were back there all night

doesn't clear up anything on what went down obviously.

 

[Peggy Starfish]

Even if this doesnt result in charges, does this being the 2nd incident make disciplinary punishment from Goodell a possibility? Could he be suspended?

Should Cromartie be suspended for fathering 6 children with 7 women or 7 children with 6 women or whatever the case is...where do you draw the line?

its 10 kids w/8 different baby mommas

:whoosh: WTF? Last time I checked rubbers were cheaper than kids.

Cromartie sucks at man coverage.

 

[Peggy Starfish]

I know you read it but it's the understanding part that seems to have stumped you. Unless of course you can offer up a viable explanation as to how someone could go to multiple bars with Rothlisberger and have no idea who he is and when asked to describe him provide his exact height and weight as listed on NFL.com.

You've grabbed on to one tidbit of information and concluded that Roethlisberger is innocent and the woman is lying. That makes as much sense as grabbing on to another tidbit or 2 of information to conclude he's guilty. For example: He was in a college town, hanging with college students, and at (at least) his third bar in a long evening of drinking. He's been accused of a sexual assault before. From that I conclude he's guilty.

Jumping to that conclusion makes as much sense as jumping to the one you chose --- zero sense.

Wrong. I said the women was not telling the truth because it's not plausible to say you don't know him especially when you are able to provide his exact listed measurements. Now from that statement I made you inferred that I said he was not guilty because that's the reasonable conclusion people make when an accuser is lying. You should think about that before lecturing me on jumping to conclusions.

If it's going to get you this worked up, why don't you just trade him from your fantasy team and just be done with the whole thing? I hate to see you like this.

 

[fatness]

ESPN says a bouncer said Roth and his crew were in the VIP room and the bouncer was instructed not to let any men back. he said anywhere from 5-20 women were in and out all night. There was, apparently, a bathroom not accessible to the general public. No men other than the Roth crew were back there all night

doesn't clear up anything on what went down obviously.

This doesn't clear anything up either, but at least it is from someone who was in the VIP area:

Amber Hanley, a 21-year-old college student, said she and a few friends were also in the VIP area with Roethlisberger. She said she asked the quarterback to take a photo with her friend, whose boyfriend was a fan, but he seemed disappointed that's all she wanted. Hanley said she rolled her eyes, and Roethlisberger called her an expletive and walked away. Later, Roethlisberger was aggressively hitting on another girl, Hanley said.

Link

 

[PatsFanCT]

Another story about a former Miami player

Tell me you're fishing...

It was a joke....thanks for replying.

Well...good one

I thought it was pretty funny.

It was funny, and Osaurus shouldn't have responded. A good joke stands on it's own.

 

[pantherclub]

I have a funny feeling Ben is in deep doo doo. Its going to be tough to defend his actions when he was at 3 bars that night doing the same thing. If the accuser just has one witness then Ben is in a ton of trouble. Probably not jail time but a headache non the less.

 

[PewterFan]

Nothing to see here folks. Move along.

This is news. Pretend it's someone other than the starting QB for your favorite professional football team.

 

[phthalatemagic]

ESPN says a bouncer said Roth and his crew were in the VIP room and the bouncer was instructed not to let any men back. he said anywhere from 5-20 women were in and out all night. There was, apparently, a bathroom not accessible to the general public. No men other than the Roth crew were back there all night

doesn't clear up anything on what went down obviously.

This doesn't clear anything up either, but at least it is from someone who was in the VIP area:

Amber Hanley, a 21-year-old college student, said she and a few friends were also in the VIP area with Roethlisberger. She said she asked the quarterback to take a photo with her friend, whose boyfriend was a fan, but he seemed disappointed that's all she wanted. Hanley said she rolled her eyes, and Roethlisberger called her an expletive and walked away. Later, Roethlisberger was aggressively hitting on another girl, Hanley said.

Link

If this is all true, it could be bad. It's not like the above isn't a regular SOP for many non-rapist men in America, but I'm sure someone could paint that to look like at some point that night Rothlisburger wasn't going to take no for an answer.And whoever says 28 is too old to hang out at college bars - screw you! Just because some guys can do it and you can't, doesn't mean you gotta spread your judgement on others.

 

[ScottyFargo]

ESPN says a bouncer said Roth and his crew were in the VIP room and the bouncer was instructed not to let any men back. he said anywhere from 5-20 women were in and out all night. There was, apparently, a bathroom not accessible to the general public. No men other than the Roth crew were back there all night

doesn't clear up anything on what went down obviously.

This doesn't clear anything up either, but at least it is from someone who was in the VIP area:

Amber Hanley, a 21-year-old college student, said she and a few friends were also in the VIP area with Roethlisberger. She said she asked the quarterback to take a photo with her friend, whose boyfriend was a fan, but he seemed disappointed that's all she wanted. Hanley said she rolled her eyes, and Roethlisberger called her an expletive and walked away. Later, Roethlisberger was aggressively hitting on another girl, Hanley said.

Link

If this is all true, it could be bad. It's not like the above isn't a regular SOP for many non-rapist men in America, but I'm sure someone could paint that to look like at some point that night Rothlisburger wasn't going to take no for an answer.And whoever says 28 is too old to hang out at college bars - screw you! Just because some guys can do it and you can't, doesn't mean you gotta spread your judgement on others.

Well, the guy in question doesn't appear to be able to do it without getting into trouble, so. You know.

 

[Tau837]

And whoever says 28 is too old to hang out at college bars - screw you! Just because some guys can do it and you can't, doesn't mean you gotta spread your judgement on others.

I said Roethlisberger is an idiot for putting himself in a college bar trying to pick up drunk college girls when he is a 28 year old celebrity. The potential for negative situations for a celebrity is blatantly obvious. It's different for Roethlisberger than an average guy, which should have become quite clear to him from the Reno incident last year.ETA: And all of this is even more true if he has a problem with alcohol and/or behaving appropriately towards women.

 

[Steelfan7]

Nothing to see here folks. Move along.

This is news. Pretend it's someone other than the starting QB for your favorite professional football team.

It's called sarcasm son. Go back and read my post and the post I quoted.

 

[Steelfan7]

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And whoever says 28 is too old to hang out at college bars - screw you! Just because some guys can do it and you can't, doesn't mean you gotta spread your judgement on others.

I said Roethlisberger is an idiot for putting himself in a college bar trying to pick up drunk college girls when he is a 28 year old celebrity. The potential for negative situations for a celebrity is blatantly obvious, and that has manifested itself here. It's different for Roethlisberger than an average guy, which should have become quite clear to him from the Reno incident last year.But, hey, if you are a 28 year old man and the best you can do is go to college bars and pick up drunk college girls, knock yourself out. Assuming you aren't a celebrity, you aren't likely to get targeted for a gold digging lawsuit... you'll merely look pathetic.

Everything that I have heard from people that know him from his hometown, this is par for the course for Ben.

 

[Couch Potato]

And whoever says 28 is too old to hang out at college bars - screw you! Just because some guys can do it and you can't, doesn't mean you gotta spread your judgement on others.

I said Roethlisberger is an idiot for putting himself in a college bar trying to pick up drunk college girls when he is a 28 year old celebrity. The potential for negative situations for a celebrity is blatantly obvious. It's different for Roethlisberger than an average guy, which should have become quite clear to him from the Reno incident last year.

Good thing I'm not a celebrity. Well, see ya later. I'm off to bingo night at AARP. Hitting on EXPERIENCED ex-hotties is where it's at!

 

[PewterFan]

Nothing to see here folks. Move along.

This is news. Pretend it's someone other than the starting QB for your favorite professional football team.

It's called sarcasm son. Go back and read my post and the post I quoted.

I made a wrong assumption that you were a typical Steelers fan. My apology, pops.

 

[massraider]

Big Ben in a college bar.....why is that a problem again? Why is he in any more "danger" than in any other bar?

Maybe he should just stick to the hotel bars, where adults are. Oh wait, that's where the women who prey on celebrities are, the ones that try and get pregnant and cash in.

So maybe just night clubs? Well, I think we know that isn't a good idea.

It always amazes me when something like this happens, and someone inevitably demands, "What was he doing in ___________anyway?!?"

They are people, just like anyone else, and if they wanna go and have a damn drink, they can. Ben going into the VIP area, and only allowing women in? Happens every single weekend, in every single big city. Pro athletes are out at restaurants, bars, clubs, and 'college' bars every single weekend. If something bad happened, it was Ben's fault, it isn't like we can say, "Well geez, what'd you expect, he was in a college bar, and he's 28!!!!!!"

These athletes need to be smart, they don't need to be freaking monks. For that matter, every guy that is out needs to be smart. Just because we aren't worth millions doesn't mean we can't get into trouble.

I don't think anyone can make any sound arguments about what happened, I don't know how anyone can. Some women target athletes, and some athletes think women are disposable trinkets, and don't like to hear 'no'.

Not really fair to Ben or his accuser to make a call from your chair.

 

[Steelfan7]

Nothing to see here folks. Move along.

This is news. Pretend it's someone other than the starting QB for your favorite professional football team.

It's called sarcasm son. Go back and read my post and the post I quoted.

I made a wrong assumption that you were a typical Steelers fan. My apology, pops.

Apology accepted. Now get back to bed son. School comes very early in the morning.

 

[SSOG]

I have a funny feeling Ben is in deep doo doo. Its going to be tough to defend his actions when he was at 3 bars that night doing the same thing. If the accuser just has one witness then Ben is in a ton of trouble. Probably not jail time but a headache non the less.

If he sexually assaulted the woman, it will be hard to defend his actions. If he didn't, it will be extremely easy to defend his actions. Watch, I'll give a great example of how to do it:"I'm a man of legal drinking age who was legally imbibing alcohol in a manner and setting of my choosing that complied fully with all laws and regulations of the city, county, state, and country. I'm also a single man with no commitments to the opposite gender who was looking for a willing companion to engage in legal and consensual sexual relations with me in a manner fully compliant with the laws of the state of Georgia and in exercise of the freedoms granted to me by the Constitution of the United States of America".

See how easy it is to defend his actions? I don't get why Joe America thinks that athletes need to APOLOGIZE for practicing much the same freedoms in much the same manner that Joe has regularly enjoyed for his entire life. If the sexual assault charge is a bogus charge, then there is absolutely nothing for Ben to defend. He didn't break any laws. There's nothing in the constitution that says "all men are endowed with certain inalienable rights unless they happen to be pro athletes, in which case the 1st, 9th, and 21st amendments don't apply to them".

Now, clearly Ben's actions were unwise whether the allegations are true or not... but there's a huge difference between unwise and hard to defend. I think smoking cigarettes is unwise, but I don't feel any professional athlete should have to defend his choice to legally acquire and use a regulated product within full compliance of all laws of any local or federal government and the regulations of his employer.

If Big Ben sexually assaulted this woman, then he's going to be in a lot of trouble, and very deservedly so... but don't lose sight of the fact that, if the allegations are false, then Ben Roethlisberger is the victim here. Granted, he's not a very sympathetic figure so not many people are going to view him as such, but that doesn't change the fact that it's the truth. As far as I'm concerned, a victim does not have to apologize for being victimized.

Amber Hanley, a 21-year-old college student, said she and a few friends were also in the VIP area with Roethlisberger. She said she asked the quarterback to take a photo with her friend, whose boyfriend was a fan, but he seemed disappointed that's all she wanted. Hanley said she rolled her eyes, and Roethlisberger called her an expletive and walked away. Later, Roethlisberger was aggressively hitting on another girl, Hanley said.

If this is all true, it could be bad. It's not like the above isn't a regular SOP for many non-rapist men in America, but I'm sure someone could paint that to look like at some point that night Rothlisburger wasn't going to take no for an answer.

Someone could take a situation where Ben clearly took "no" for an answer and paint it to look like evidence that Roethlisberger wasn't going to take "no" for an answer? Huh?Seriously, that story demonstrates that Ben wasn't *HAPPY* with taking "no" for an answer... but he clearly and unequivocally took "no" for an answer, whether he was happy with it or not. Is it possible that later in the night he stopped taking "no" for an answer? Absolutely... but this story isn't "evidence" of that. It's not evidence of anything except the fact that Ben is perfectly capable of being told "no" without sexually assaulting the person who told him "no".

 

[az_prof]

I have a funny feeling Ben is in deep doo doo. Its going to be tough to defend his actions when he was at 3 bars that night doing the same thing. If the accuser just has one witness then Ben is in a ton of trouble. Probably not jail time but a headache non the less.

If he sexually assaulted the woman, it will be hard to defend his actions. If he didn't, it will be extremely easy to defend his actions. Watch, I'll give a great example of how to do it:"I'm a man of legal drinking age who was legally imbibing alcohol in a manner and setting of my choosing that complied fully with all laws and regulations of the city, county, state, and country. I'm also a single man with no commitments to the opposite gender who was looking for a willing companion to engage in legal and consensual sexual relations with me in a manner fully compliant with the laws of the state of Georgia and in exercise of the freedoms granted to me by the Constitution of the United States of America".

See how easy it is to defend his actions? I don't get why Joe America thinks that athletes need to APOLOGIZE for practicing much the same freedoms in much the same manner that Joe has regularly enjoyed for his entire life. If the sexual assault charge is a bogus charge, then there is absolutely nothing for Ben to defend. He didn't break any laws. There's nothing in the constitution that says "all men are endowed with certain inalienable rights unless they happen to be pro athletes, in which case the 1st, 9th, and 21st amendments don't apply to them".

Now, clearly Ben's actions were unwise whether the allegations are true or not... but there's a huge difference between unwise and hard to defend. I think smoking cigarettes is unwise, but I don't feel any professional athlete should have to defend his choice to legally acquire and use a regulated product within full compliance of all laws of any local or federal government and the regulations of his employer.

If Big Ben sexually assaulted this woman, then he's going to be in a lot of trouble, and very deservedly so... but don't lose sight of the fact that, if the allegations are false, then Ben Roethlisberger is the victim here. Granted, he's not a very sympathetic figure so not many people are going to view him as such, but that doesn't change the fact that it's the truth. As far as I'm concerned, a victim does not have to apologize for being victimized.

Amber Hanley, a 21-year-old college student, said she and a few friends were also in the VIP area with Roethlisberger. She said she asked the quarterback to take a photo with her friend, whose boyfriend was a fan, but he seemed disappointed that's all she wanted. Hanley said she rolled her eyes, and Roethlisberger called her an expletive and walked away. Later, Roethlisberger was aggressively hitting on another girl, Hanley said.

If this is all true, it could be bad. It's not like the above isn't a regular SOP for many non-rapist men in America, but I'm sure someone could paint that to look like at some point that night Rothlisburger wasn't going to take no for an answer.

Someone could take a situation where Ben clearly took "no" for an answer and paint it to look like evidence that Roethlisberger wasn't going to take "no" for an answer? Huh?Seriously, that story demonstrates that Ben wasn't *HAPPY* with taking "no" for an answer... but he clearly and unequivocally took "no" for an answer, whether he was happy with it or not. Is it possible that later in the night he stopped taking "no" for an answer? Absolutely... but this story isn't "evidence" of that. It's not evidence of anything except the fact that Ben is perfectly capable of being told "no" without sexually assaulting the person who told him "no".

At least someone knows how to reason out there. Sometimes I read these posts and I think--what are they teaching kids out there? Don't they understand reason and logic? Can we now put this to bed until there is more factual information? An indictment? A conviction? Something besides rumor and innuendo?

 

[QuizGuy66]

I know you read it but it's the understanding part that seems to have stumped you. Unless of course you can offer up a viable explanation as to how someone could go to multiple bars with Rothlisberger and have no idea who he is and when asked to describe him provide his exact height and weight as listed on NFL.com.

You've grabbed on to one tidbit of information and concluded that Roethlisberger is innocent and the woman is lying. That makes as much sense as grabbing on to another tidbit or 2 of information to conclude he's guilty. For example: He was in a college town, hanging with college students, and at (at least) his third bar in a long evening of drinking. He's been accused of a sexual assault before. From that I conclude he's guilty.

Jumping to that conclusion makes as much sense as jumping to the one you chose --- zero sense.

Wrong. I said the women was not telling the truth because it's not plausible to say you don't know him especially when you are able to provide his exact listed measurements. Now from that statement I made you inferred that I said he was not guilty because that's the reasonable conclusion people make when an accuser is lying. You should think about that before lecturing me on jumping to conclusions.

What if she was scared to name him because it might make her look bad? Her lying about not knowing who he was doesn't mean the events were also made up.

Maybe she wasn't sure how to pronounce his name, lest authorities go after the wrong guy -QG

 

[PewterFan]

Nothing to see here folks. Move along.

This is news. Pretend it's someone other than the starting QB for your favorite professional football team.

It's called sarcasm son. Go back and read my post and the post I quoted.

I made a wrong assumption that you were a typical Steelers fan. My apology, pops.

Apology accepted. Now get back to bed son. School comes very early in the morning.

I'm staying up late out of spite.

 

[Couch Potato]

I'm staying up late out of spite.

My momma used to tell me not to stay out late, that nothing good ever happens after midnight.Depends how you define good I think.

 

[phthalatemagic]

Seriously, that story demonstrates that Ben wasn't *HAPPY* with taking "no" for an answer... but he clearly and unequivocally took "no" for an answer, whether he was happy with it or not. Is it possible that later in the night he stopped taking "no" for an answer? Absolutely... but this story isn't "evidence" of that. It's not evidence of anything except the fact that Ben is perfectly capable of being told "no" without sexually assaulting the person who told him "no".

At least someone knows how to reason out there. Sometimes I read these posts and I think--what are they teaching kids out there? Don't they understand reason and logic? Can we now put this to bed until there is more factual information? An indictment? A conviction? Something besides rumor and innuendo?

Whoa slow down here. I said nothing about me agreeing with that idea, or even anything about a criminal case. I'm not a lawyer, I don't talk about law #### unless I'm asking questions. You guys think people aren't going to look at this and think to themselves that he may have ####ed up? OK, that's cool. And azprof - I don't know what you teach, but let's not pretend you are an expert in logic. People sling around logic like they know what they are talking about. Unless you teach it, stop talking about it. It's more likely you teach engine repair 100 at southwest tech.

 

[B-Deep]

The issue with the college bar is it is easy to see it as an older experienced celebrity trying to prey on younger vulnerable girls. I am not saying he did, but that is how it can be painted.

ESPN is reporting that guys from his group were going out into the crowd and recruiting women to come back into the bar.

Again none of this means he assaulted anyone, it is not illegal, and it is his right. BUT, the perception of him is changing. And with a pending civil suit where you are being accused of forcing yourself on someone, this is a really poor place to put yourself.

He does not need to apologize for being a tanghound. But doing it while there is a lawsuit pending is pretty damn dumb. And on top of that none of us here know that he is innocent. The public is going to decide if THEY think he did it based on information about him and the kind of person he is. For a segment of the population these facts will indict him. Does that matter? That's up to Ben, the steelers, and the companies that use Ben to push their products.

 

[Couch Potato]

Ben has apparently hired the lawyer who defended Ray Lewis. Some might think that's interesting...

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/...nded-ray-lewis/

For the record, in a court of law he is innocent until proven guilty. And for the record, he has the right to go to college hangouts, set up a private VIP room, have his goons recruit women to join him while making sure no men enter, and all that.

In the court of public opinion, however, no one is required to respect him for his ways, or believe his lawyer's side of things. I don't believe for a second that this girl had any motive other than to get the hell away from him when he took his advances too far, and my guess is that sexual assault did occur.

 

[Godsbrother]

The issue with the college bar is it is easy to see it as an older experienced celebrity trying to prey on younger vulnerable girls. I am not saying he did, but that is how it can be painted.ESPN is reporting that guys from his group were going out into the crowd and recruiting women to come back into the bar.Again none of this means he assaulted anyone, it is not illegal, and it is his right. BUT, the perception of him is changing. And with a pending civil suit where you are being accused of forcing yourself on someone, this is a really poor place to put yourself.He does not need to apologize for being a tanghound. But doing it while there is a lawsuit pending is pretty damn dumb. And on top of that none of us here know that he is innocent. The public is going to decide if THEY think he did it based on information about him and the kind of person he is. For a segment of the population these facts will indict him. Does that matter? That's up to Ben, the steelers, and the companies that use Ben to push their products.

Can't argue with anything you say here.

 

[B-Deep]

I really hope, for the record, that he is innocent.

 

[Godsbrother]

I don't believe for a second that this girl had any motive other than to get the hell away from him when he took his advances too far, and my guess is that sexual assault did occur.

You certainly have a right to believe what you want but anyone basing their opinions on the incident on the information given so far is being unfair to both parties.

 

[Couch Potato]

I don't believe for a second that this girl had any motive other than to get the hell away from him when he took his advances too far, and my guess is that sexual assault did occur.

You certainly have a right to believe what you want but anyone basing their opinions on the incident on the information given so far is being unfair to both parties.

So often money determines what justice ends up being served. Since I'm not in any way involved in the case, I don't have to be fair or unbiased based on what is "proven." I choose to put the pieces together that have been reported to come up with a conclusion, unfettered by Ben's expensive lawyers or testimony of witne$$es who may have in$entive to lean Ben's way. I've been around the block and am not innocent to the way things really work in this world, and if I'm being unfair to poor ol' horndog Ben, so be it.

 

[pantherclub]

I am so out of the loop on sexual harassment, but if it wasnt rape then what "could have" happened that she needed to go to the hospital for?

 

[Godsbrother]

I don't believe for a second that this girl had any motive other than to get the hell away from him when he took his advances too far, and my guess is that sexual assault did occur.

You certainly have a right to believe what you want but anyone basing their opinions on the incident on the information given so far is being unfair to both parties.

So often money determines what justice ends up being. Since I'm not in any way involved in the case, I don't have to be fair or unbiased based on what is "proven." I choose to put the pieces together that have been reported to come up with a conclusion, unfettered by Ben's expensive lawyers or testimony of witne$$es who may have in$entive to lean Ben's way. I've been around the block and am not innocent to the way things really work in this world, and if I'm being unfair to poor ol' horndog Ben, so be it.

As I said you have a right to believe what you want. So far no charges have been filed by the police doing the investigation though I suppose you think they are on the take as well.Maybe Ben screwed her in the hallway/bathroom of a nightclub or perhaps she filed a false police report or is overreacting. At this point there are only a handful of people that know: Roethlisberger, the victim, the people that were there and of course you.

 

[Godsbrother]

I am so out of the loop on sexual harassment, but if it wasnt rape then what "could have" happened that she needed to go to the hospital for?

As someone mentioned earlier this is standard procedure. They will be looking for any evidence to back up her claim. It could be DNA, bruises, scratches, bite marks, etc.

 

[pantherclub]

I am so out of the loop on sexual harassment, but if it wasnt rape then what "could have" happened that she needed to go to the hospital for?

As someone mentioned earlier this is standard procedure. They will be looking for any evidence to back up her claim. It could be DNA, bruises, scratches, bite marks, etc.

Meow that kitten has some claws

 

[Couch Potato]

I don't believe for a second that this girl had any motive other than to get the hell away from him when he took his advances too far, and my guess is that sexual assault did occur.

You certainly have a right to believe what you want but anyone basing their opinions on the incident on the information given so far is being unfair to both parties.

So often money determines what justice ends up being. Since I'm not in any way involved in the case, I don't have to be fair or unbiased based on what is "proven." I choose to put the pieces together that have been reported to come up with a conclusion, unfettered by Ben's expensive lawyers or testimony of witne$$es who may have in$entive to lean Ben's way. I've been around the block and am not innocent to the way things really work in this world, and if I'm being unfair to poor ol' horndog Ben, so be it.

As I said you have a right to believe what you want. So far no charges have been filed by the police doing the investigation though I suppose you think they are on the take as well.Maybe Ben screwed her in the hallway/bathroom of a nightclub or perhaps she filed a false police report or is overreacting. At this point there are only a handful of people that know: Roethlisberger, the victim, the people that were there and of course you.

No, I think they are awaiting results from the lab and want to conclude their investigation before there are charges.Look, you can pretend to be naive about things, that's your prerogative. He's your team's Super Bowl hero QB. But I'm guessing if it were Michael Vick involved here instead, you wouldn't have such an open mind. Yes, I have an opinion. I didn't say I KNOW. I said I have an opinion. And even if this whole thing magically goes away or he wins in court, I'll still have an opinion. That opinion will be that Ben had more money to win with than this poor girl did. And in my mind Ben will still be a predator, and the girl still a victim.

 

[Jeremy]

I don't believe for a second that this girl had any motive other than to get the hell away from him when he took his advances too far, and my guess is that sexual assault did occur.

You certainly have a right to believe what you want but anyone basing their opinions on the incident on the information given so far is being unfair to both parties.

So often money determines what justice ends up being served. Since I'm not in any way involved in the case, I don't have to be fair or unbiased based on what is "proven." I choose to put the pieces together that have been reported to come up with a conclusion, unfettered by Ben's expensive lawyers or testimony of witne$$es who may have in$entive to lean Ben's way. I've been around the block and am not innocent to the way things really work in this world, and if I'm being unfair to poor ol' horndog Ben, so be it.

 

[Couch Potato]

I don't believe for a second that this girl had any motive other than to get the hell away from him when he took his advances too far, and my guess is that sexual assault did occur.

You certainly have a right to believe what you want but anyone basing their opinions on the incident on the information given so far is being unfair to both parties.

So often money determines what justice ends up being served. Since I'm not in any way involved in the case, I don't have to be fair or unbiased based on what is "proven." I choose to put the pieces together that have been reported to come up with a conclusion, unfettered by Ben's expensive lawyers or testimony of witne$$es who may have in$entive to lean Ben's way. I've been around the block and am not innocent to the way things really work in this world, and if I'm being unfair to poor ol' horndog Ben, so be it.

What do you think I'm fishing for exactly? I'm stating my belief. Whether anyone wants to respond to it or not, I really don't give a rat's patutie. But I tell you what, there are a lot of people reading this thread who will agree with me whether they'll openly say it or not.