Ronnie Brown (1 Viewer)

[gump]

NYJ are giving up over 100 yards/game rushing. They're good against the pass so far...average against the run.

 

[SSOG]

Starting Ronnie over McGahee (vs. Cin), Portis (@ Car), and Mendenhall (@Detroit).

 

[JD8p]

But when a team has a passing game they do not need to respect, expect them to plan accordingly; three of the first four teams they played have fantastic passing attacks. The Ryan defensive scheme's first objective is to take the other teams best player away from them - that is undeniably Ronnie Brown.

I expect the Jets to completely shut Ronnie Brown down.

 

[ChuckLiddell]

But when a team has a passing game they do not need to respect, expect them to plan accordingly; three of the first four teams they played have fantastic passing attacks. The Ryan defensive scheme's first objective is to take the other teams best player away from them - that is undeniably Ronnie Brown.I expect the Jets to completely shut Ronnie Brown down.

I agree with this, although I really, really, really hope we are both wrong. I am not expecing Monday to be a good evening in my household.

 

[SSOG]

But when a team has a passing game they do not need to respect, expect them to plan accordingly; three of the first four teams they played have fantastic passing attacks. The Ryan defensive scheme's first objective is to take the other teams best player away from them - that is undeniably Ronnie Brown.I expect the Jets to completely shut Ronnie Brown down.

According to DVOA, the Jets are 4th against the pass and 15th against the run. That jives pretty well with their conventional ratings (6th and 14th). The big problem with your "they focus on the opposition's best weapon" theory is that it doesn't at all explain the 30-127-1 they've allowed against Tennessee (including the 22/97 by Chris Johnson, clearly the "best weapon" on the Titans). The reality of the situation is that the Jets have faced two bottom-half running offenses, and they shut them down. They've faced two top-10 running offenses, and they've... not shut them down (120+ yards allowed and at least one rushing score in both contests). Miami is the #1 rushing offense in the entire NFL (first in attempts, 1st in yards, 2nd in TDs, 3rd in YPA). I don't think the Dolphins should be fearing the Jets run defense nearly as much as the Jets should be fearing the Dolphins run offense.

 

[ChuckLiddell]

But when a team has a passing game they do not need to respect, expect them to plan accordingly; three of the first four teams they played have fantastic passing attacks. The Ryan defensive scheme's first objective is to take the other teams best player away from them - that is undeniably Ronnie Brown.I expect the Jets to completely shut Ronnie Brown down.

According to DVOA, the Jets are 4th against the pass and 15th against the run. That jives pretty well with their conventional ratings (6th and 14th). The big problem with your "they focus on the opposition's best weapon" theory is that it doesn't at all explain the 30-127-1 they've allowed against Tennessee (including the 22/97 by Chris Johnson, clearly the "best weapon" on the Titans). The reality of the situation is that the Jets have faced two bottom-half running offenses, and they shut them down. They've faced two top-10 running offenses, and they've... not shut them down (120+ yards allowed and at least one rushing score in both contests). Miami is the #1 rushing offense in the entire NFL (first in attempts, 1st in yards, 2nd in TDs, 3rd in YPA). I don't think the Dolphins should be fearing the Jets run defense nearly as much as the Jets should be fearing the Dolphins run offense.

He is back in my lineup! I dont know what a DVOA is, but it sounds legit and it sold me!

 

[JD8p]

I will take a 75% ratio of taking a teams best weapon out of the game over the 25% exception.

It is not "my theory" on the Ryan scheme, it is what their scheme is. It is the same scheme passed down from Buddy to Rob and Rex...they have spoken freely about it.

At the end of the day, you have to start your starters and hope for the best - especially without another clear option. The Jets D has been excellent and they have the look of a unit that will stifle offenses for the better part of the year...are they the 85 Bears or the 2000 Ravens? No...of course not, but they look damn good.

 

[SSOG]

I will take a 75% ratio of taking a teams best weapon out of the game over the 25% exception.

That's not the ratio, though. 50% of the time (New England and Houston), they've shut down everything. 25% of the time (New Orleans), they've shut down the best weapon and gotten wrecked by the second option. 25% of the time (Tennessee), they've shut down the second option and gotten wrecked by the best weapon. Maybe you can find some discernible pattern in that mix, but I've yet to see it.

 

[JD8p]

I will take a 75% ratio of taking a teams best weapon out of the game over the 25% exception.

That's not the ratio, though. 50% of the time (New England and Houston), they've shut down everything. 25% of the time (New Orleans), they've shut down the best weapon and gotten wrecked by the second option. 25% of the time (Tennessee), they've shut down the second option and gotten wrecked by the best weapon. Maybe you can find some discernible pattern in that mix, but I've yet to see it.

I consider Andre Johnson, Randy Moss, Chris Johnson and Marques Colston the best weapons of those three teams, assuming we keep QB as a separate conversation.Now it depends how you want to look at that. One might simply take that to mean that the Ryan scheme shutdown the best option 75% of the time. Another might look at that and say that the one time the best option was at RB, they failed to shut it down.I look at it and say that the Jets will have zero regard for the Dolphins passing game and focus on removing Ronnie Brown from the game - which in my opinion is a scenario I see as likely.

 

[gump]

I will take a 75% ratio of taking a teams best weapon out of the game over the 25% exception.

That's not the ratio, though. 50% of the time (New England and Houston), they've shut down everything. 25% of the time (New Orleans), they've shut down the best weapon and gotten wrecked by the second option. 25% of the time (Tennessee), they've shut down the second option and gotten wrecked by the best weapon. Maybe you can find some discernible pattern in that mix, but I've yet to see it.

I consider Andre Johnson, Randy Moss, Chris Johnson and Marques Colston the best weapons of those three teams, assuming we keep QB as a separate conversation.

Yes, but Reevis is the Jets best player...and he had more affect on AJ, Moss, and Colston than he will on Brown.It could be tough...but how can you not like a RB that gets the ball like Ronnie...and I mean literally, gets the ball.

 

[Project Mayhem]

I sold Brown after week 3 and the Pennington injury. I have decent depth at RB with Peterson, Moreno, D. Brown, Fr. Jackson and Choice, so I felt pretty good about landing Santonio Holmes. After Brown outscored Holmes 20-3 and I lost in week 4, not feeling so good.

 

[Pied Piper]

But when a team has a passing game they do not need to respect, expect them to plan accordingly; three of the first four teams they played have fantastic passing attacks. The Ryan defensive scheme's first objective is to take the other teams best player away from them - that is undeniably Ronnie Brown.

I expect the Jets to completely shut Ronnie Brown down.

Agreed, Ronnie is their best player. But...

Ricky Williams has been playing very well as RB2. The Jets have to find a way to shut both of them down.

 

[PhantomJB]

I just sold Ronnie Brown (high, I hope) for Roddy White and Dwayne Bowe (low, I hope). Brown's upcoming 5-wk schedule of NYJ, Bye, NO, NE, NYJ did not look appealing to me at all. All are reasonably fast, aggressive Ds which I believed will keep the Wildcat in check and also good at scheme to load up the box and make Henne beat them. We'll see...

 

[JD8p]

I will take a 75% ratio of taking a teams best weapon out of the game over the 25% exception.

That's not the ratio, though. 50% of the time (New England and Houston), they've shut down everything. 25% of the time (New Orleans), they've shut down the best weapon and gotten wrecked by the second option. 25% of the time (Tennessee), they've shut down the second option and gotten wrecked by the best weapon. Maybe you can find some discernible pattern in that mix, but I've yet to see it.

I consider Andre Johnson, Randy Moss, Chris Johnson and Marques Colston the best weapons of those three teams, assuming we keep QB as a separate conversation.

Yes, but Reevis is the Jets best player...and he had more affect on AJ, Moss, and Colston than he will on Brown.It could be tough...but how can you not like a RB that gets the ball like Ronnie...and I mean literally, gets the ball.

I have always been a "start your starters" guy...I think owners tend to over manage quite often. With that said, Revis will take away whatever receiver the Jets coordinators deem necessary...but do not underestimate the ability of Kris Jenkins, Shaun Ellis, David Harris and Bart Scott to take away Brown. I do not think the Miami passing game will be what they scheme for here.

 

[gump]

So how does NY scheme against the Wildcat, considering the flexibility Brown has by getting the direct snap? Are they going to shadow him with a LB?

 

[stbugs]

I will take a 75% ratio of taking a teams best weapon out of the game over the 25% exception.

That's not the ratio, though. 50% of the time (New England and Houston), they've shut down everything. 25% of the time (New Orleans), they've shut down the best weapon and gotten wrecked by the second option. 25% of the time (Tennessee), they've shut down the second option and gotten wrecked by the best weapon. Maybe you can find some discernible pattern in that mix, but I've yet to see it.

I consider Andre Johnson, Randy Moss, Chris Johnson and Marques Colston the best weapons of those three teams, assuming we keep QB as a separate conversation.

Yes, but Reevis is the Jets best player...and he had more affect on AJ, Moss, and Colston than he will on Brown.It could be tough...but how can you not like a RB that gets the ball like Ronnie...and I mean literally, gets the ball.

I have always been a "start your starters" guy...I think owners tend to over manage quite often. With that said, Revis will take away whatever receiver the Jets coordinators deem necessary...but do not underestimate the ability of Kris Jenkins, Shaun Ellis, David Harris and Bart Scott to take away Brown. I do not think the Miami passing game will be what they scheme for here.

One other note is that I don't think you can really say that Colston was shut down. Yes, he didn't have great stats, but that had more to do with NO Def scoring twice in the first half and a 17-3 lead at halftime. No RB/WR/TE for NO had more than 4 receptions, because they didn't have to pass much and had two less offensive possesions and a 14 point lead due to the defensive scores.And again, NO was 29-148-1TD on the ground even though they had a big early lead and Brees wasn't pass happy.

 

[stbugs]

I just sold Ronnie Brown (high, I hope) for Roddy White and Dwayne Bowe (low, I hope). Brown's upcoming 5-wk schedule of NYJ, Bye, NO, NE, NYJ did not look appealing to me at all. All are reasonably fast, aggressive Ds which I believed will keep the Wildcat in check and also good at scheme to load up the box and make Henne beat them. We'll see...

While I think that trade was a decent one, depending upon your needs/surplus. I don't get why that schedule is so daunting. Miami runs and runs well. The Jets and Patriots aren't daunting run defenses. They haven't given up a ton of yards/TDs, but the give up 4.2 and 4.5 ypc respectively which puts them in the bottom half. Maybe Miami gets stuffed, but it isn't like Miami is playing the stifling run defenses that no one has run on.

 

[JD8p]

I am not really sure how you can say the Jets didn't shut Colston down. When Revis was on him m2m, he did not have a catch, otherwise he he had a total of 2 catches.

The Saints still had the ball for better than 32 minutes and ran 65 plays.

 

[JD8p]

Makes for interesting discussion at least.

So what are projecting for Brown this week...?

 

[bshell27]

I am not really sure how you can say the Jets didn't shut Colston down. When Revis was on him m2m, he did not have a catch, otherwise he he had a total of 2 catches.The Saints still had the ball for better than 32 minutes and ran 65 plays.

I am not really sure as to why this question is being asked in a Ronnie Brown Thread. The guys you listed are WR1, not RB1. The point is that the RB's have had average to good games against this defense so your point does not apply to this thread. I understand that you are saying they will focus on Brown and make the pass beat them. As it was pointed out, this scheme was already used on TEN and how did that turn out? That is really the only precedent to look at, not how they defended WR's.

 

[bshell27]

Makes for interesting discussion at least.So what are projecting for Brown this week...?

My best guess to this question is between 80-90 yards and maybe a touchdown. This is going to be a strange game to watch because the Jets D is pretty good and the Jets Offense will be in a learning curve. It should not be high scoring so Brown will get some yards.

 

[gump]

What is Ronnie's avg ypc from the Wildcat?

 

[two_dollars]

I usually agree with SSOG, but this time I'm putting Ronnie on the banch. Going to start Moreno in his place with CBuck being out. I will never start someone against the Jets this year unless they start having injury problems on D unless I absolutely don't have any other options.

 

[JD8p]

I am not really sure how you can say the Jets didn't shut Colston down. When Revis was on him m2m, he did not have a catch, otherwise he he had a total of 2 catches.The Saints still had the ball for better than 32 minutes and ran 65 plays.

I am not really sure as to why this question is being asked in a Ronnie Brown Thread. The guys you listed are WR1, not RB1. The point is that the RB's have had average to good games against this defense so your point does not apply to this thread. I understand that you are saying they will focus on Brown and make the pass beat them. As it was pointed out, this scheme was already used on TEN and how did that turn out? That is really the only precedent to look at, not how they defended WR's.

The discussion went on a bit of a tangent to how Brown will perform against the Jets...which meant a little discussion about the Ryan scheme and the Jets defensive focus over the first quarter of the season. In turn, how does it impact Brown this week.My guess this week is that Brown puts up around 65 yard on the ground, another 20 on 3 catches and the Jets keep him out of the endzone. With that said, you can now likely expect a buck fifty and 2 TD's.

 

[Defending Champs]

Well, the Jets D has been very good overall as a team.

The rush D was solid in the first two weeks and somewhat suspect in the last two weeks.

vs Houston - Slaton - 17 yards 0 TD's

vs New England - Taylor - 46 yards 0 TD's

vs Tenn - Johnson - 97 yards and 0 TD's

vs New Orleans - 86 yards and 1 TD

Houston is all over the place, you never know what team is going to show up. I'm discounting the defensive perfomance somewhat.

New England is obviously a pass happy team and Fred Taylor is nowhere near the top of his game any longer, this defensive performance is largely discounted IMO with regards to the Rush.

The Titans are a run first team and Chris Johnson looked solid with 97 yards and averaging 4.4 ypc. That's pretty strong.

The Saints appear to have played into the game at hand. We all know they love to throw the ball, and Brees went for a modest 20/32 and 190 yards. The running game is what won the game for them. P. Thomas went for 86 yards averaging 4.5 ypc while Reggie Bush went for 37 yards averaging just over 6 ypc.

I am going to assume Ronnie gets 20 carries. If he can average just 4 ypc, that's 80 yards. Anytime they get close to the endzone, Ronnie will at least get a shot or two down there. If he can pop in a TD and over 80 yards, I'd be fairly happy with that.

 

[BuckeyeArt]

Looking at Miami's rush offense for the 4 games (Home vs Away):

Away:

@Atlanta - Atlanta gave up an average of 153 against their other 2 opponents (CAR, NE) - gave up 96 to Miami.

@San Diego - SD gave an average of 152 to their other opponents (OAK, BAL, PIT) - gave up 149 to Miami



Home:

vs Indy - Indy gave up an average of 62 yards to their other opponents (JAX, ARI, SEA) - gave up 239 to Miami

vs Buffalo - Buffalo gave up an average of 117 to others (NE, TB, NO) - gave up 250 to Miami



This week:

vs NYJ at home - NYJ gave up an average of 101 to others (HOU, NE, TEN, NO) - Another 200+ week?

So is Miami's rushing attack really that much better at home? It looks like they are about 3-4 times more effective at home vs on the road. I know, not a perfect study and small numbers. But, even so, there appears to be a clear difference.

 

[Defending Champs]

Looking at Miami's rush offense for the 4 games (Home vs Away):

Away:

@Seattle - Seattle gave up an average of 162 against their other 2 opponents (CAR, NE) - gave up 83 to Miami.

@San Diego - SD gave an average of 152 to their other opponents (OAK, BAL, PIT) - gave up 149 to Miami



Home:

vs Indy - Indy gave up an average of 62 yards to their other opponents (JAX, ARI, SEA) - gave up 239 to Miami

vs Buffalo - Buffalo gave up an average of 117 to others (NE, TB, NO) - gave up 250 to Miami



This week:

vs NYJ at home - NYJ gave up an average of 101 to others (HOU, NE, TEN, NO) - Another 200+ week?

So is Miami's rushing attack really that much better at home? It looks like they are about 3-4 times more effective at home vs on the road. I know, not a perfect study and small numbers. But, even so, there appears to be a clear difference.

My question is why? Why would they be better running the ball at home? Very interesting.

 

[hwjchim]

Statistics

Wk Opp Fpts TD YDS ATT TD YDS REC 2PT

1 @ATL 6 0 43 10 0 10 3 0

2 IND 25 2 136 24 0 0 0 0

3 @SD 12 0 75 18 0 40 3 0

4 BUF 23 2 115 20 0 0 0 0

Tot 66 4 369 72 0 50 6 0

See a pattern? away games Ronnie hs not scored a TD or gove over 100 rushing yards

Home games Ronnie has 2 td's per game and +100 yards rushing...

Hmm ...

 

[SSOG]

What is Ronnie's avg ypc from the Wildcat?

I don't know, but I remember they flashed a graphic during the Indy game that he was averaging 8+ ypc from it.

 

[Defending Champs]

What is Ronnie's avg ypc from the Wildcat?

I don't know, but I remember they flashed a graphic during the Indy game that he was averaging 8+ ypc from it.

Take it for what it's worth, I just pulled this from a different message board...They are the final numbers from the 2008 season.Link

Wild Cat Article on 2008 Numbers

88 Wildcat plays

82 runs

06 passes

Ronnie Brown 54 rushes, 312 yards, 5.8 avg, 09 first downs & 06 tds.

Ricky Williams 26 rushes, 153 yards, 5.9 avg, 05 first downs & 01 tds.

Patrick Cobbs 02 rushes, 47 yards, 23.5 avg. 01 first downs & 00 tds.

 

[PhantomJB]

I just sold Ronnie Brown (high, I hope) for Roddy White and Dwayne Bowe (low, I hope). Brown's upcoming 5-wk schedule of NYJ, Bye, NO, NE, NYJ did not look appealing to me at all. All are reasonably fast, aggressive Ds which I believed will keep the Wildcat in check and also good at scheme to load up the box and make Henne beat them. We'll see...

While I think that trade was a decent one, depending upon your needs/surplus. I don't get why that schedule is so daunting. Miami runs and runs well. The Jets and Patriots aren't daunting run defenses. They haven't given up a ton of yards/TDs, but the give up 4.2 and 4.5 ypc respectively which puts them in the bottom half. Maybe Miami gets stuffed, but it isn't like Miami is playing the stifling run defenses that no one has run on.

Agreed that the schedule may not be "daunting" per se. The original title of the thread was a question about selling R.Brown "high." I was trying to provide a data point for current market value as well as some qualitative rationale for why I expect his performance to decline.While I hear you on the ypc stats, for better or worse I relied more heavily on overall yards/game from NFL.com. Those told me that Brown faced run defenses (ATL,IND,SDG,BUF) that rank 16-28 currently, while his upcoming schedule (NYJx2, NE, NOR) rank 8-13. Plus a bye where he would be non-productive factored into the "Sell High" decision.

 

[ChuckLiddell]

Looking at Miami's rush offense for the 4 games (Home vs Away):

Away:

@Seattle - Seattle gave up an average of 162 against their other 2 opponents (CAR, NE) - gave up 83 to Miami.

@San Diego - SD gave an average of 152 to their other opponents (OAK, BAL, PIT) - gave up 149 to Miami



Home:

vs Indy - Indy gave up an average of 62 yards to their other opponents (JAX, ARI, SEA) - gave up 239 to Miami

vs Buffalo - Buffalo gave up an average of 117 to others (NE, TB, NO) - gave up 250 to Miami



This week:

vs NYJ at home - NYJ gave up an average of 101 to others (HOU, NE, TEN, NO) - Another 200+ week?

So is Miami's rushing attack really that much better at home? It looks like they are about 3-4 times more effective at home vs on the road. I know, not a perfect study and small numbers. But, even so, there appears to be a clear difference.

Miami has not played Seattle this season. They opened at Atlanta. Am I missing something?

 

[Defending Champs]

Looking at Miami's rush offense for the 4 games (Home vs Away):

Away:

@Seattle - Seattle gave up an average of 162 against their other 2 opponents (CAR, NE) - gave up 83 to Miami.

@San Diego - SD gave an average of 152 to their other opponents (OAK, BAL, PIT) - gave up 149 to Miami



Home:

vs Indy - Indy gave up an average of 62 yards to their other opponents (JAX, ARI, SEA) - gave up 239 to Miami

vs Buffalo - Buffalo gave up an average of 117 to others (NE, TB, NO) - gave up 250 to Miami



This week:

vs NYJ at home - NYJ gave up an average of 101 to others (HOU, NE, TEN, NO) - Another 200+ week?

So is Miami's rushing attack really that much better at home? It looks like they are about 3-4 times more effective at home vs on the road. I know, not a perfect study and small numbers. But, even so, there appears to be a clear difference.

Miami has not played Seattle this season. They opened at Atlanta. Am I missing something?

Looks like he swapped stats with some other team. I thought maybe he mixed up preseason numbers, but they didn't play them in the preseason. So I thought maybe he crossed 2008 and 09', nope, they didn't play each other last year either.Then I thought he just typed Seattle instead of Atlanta and the stats were accurate, just for the wrong team...I struck out.

Vs. Atlanta: 10 Carries for 43 Yards.

Atlanta has given up 144 yards and a score to the Carolina tandem in game 2. They then went and gave up 105 yards to F. Taylor and another 25 to Faulk combining to score 1 TD.

 

[BuckeyeArt]

Looking at Miami's rush offense for the 4 games (Home vs Away):

Away:

@Seattle - Seattle gave up an average of 162 against their other 2 opponents (CAR, NE) - gave up 83 to Miami.

@San Diego - SD gave an average of 152 to their other opponents (OAK, BAL, PIT) - gave up 149 to Miami



Home:

vs Indy - Indy gave up an average of 62 yards to their other opponents (JAX, ARI, SEA) - gave up 239 to Miami

vs Buffalo - Buffalo gave up an average of 117 to others (NE, TB, NO) - gave up 250 to Miami



This week:

vs NYJ at home - NYJ gave up an average of 101 to others (HOU, NE, TEN, NO) - Another 200+ week?

So is Miami's rushing attack really that much better at home? It looks like they are about 3-4 times more effective at home vs on the road. I know, not a perfect study and small numbers. But, even so, there appears to be a clear difference.

Miami has not played Seattle this season. They opened at Atlanta. Am I missing something?

Fixed. I used Atlanta's stats, typed Seasttle's name, and I don't know where I got the 83 yards from. Should be 96.

 

[BuckeyeArt]

While I hear you on the ypc stats, for better or worse I relied more heavily on overall yards/game from NFL.com. Those told me that Brown faced run defenses (ATL,IND,SDG,BUF) that rank 16-28 currently, while his upcoming schedule (NYJx2, NE, NOR) rank 8-13. Plus a bye where he would be non-productive factored into the "Sell High" decision.

The problem with using the overall yards/game is that they include Miami's numbers. With so few games played, the beating Miami put on Indy and Buffalo severely distorts their yards/game. Other than against Miami, Indy gave up 62 yards/game against the other 3 teams, which would rank them 4th. Buffalo was averaging 117 y/g before Miami, which would rank them 19th instead of 27th.

 

[SSOG]

I'm considering starting Ronnie vs. BYE next week. I know it's a tough matchup, but I honestly don't see how you could bench him at this point.

 

[Johnny Ice]

I'm considering starting Ronnie vs. BYE next week. I know it's a tough matchup, but I honestly don't see how you could bench him at this point.

 

[morris4903]

Besides another great game, the best to come out of this game was the emergence of Chad Henne as a legitimate QB. Will only help the running game that much more. STUD

 

[ImTheScientist]

Anyone that has traded Brown must feel foolish.

 

[MAC_32]

I traded for him before the game, I still think he finishes top 10.

 

[theglorydays]

I'm considering starting Ronnie vs. BYE next week. I know it's a tough matchup, but I honestly don't see how you could bench him at this point.

SSOG. You predicted Ronnie Brown to be top 5 and he is well on his way.

 

[JD8p]

I am not really sure how you can say the Jets didn't shut Colston down. When Revis was on him m2m, he did not have a catch, otherwise he he had a total of 2 catches.The Saints still had the ball for better than 32 minutes and ran 65 plays.

I am not really sure as to why this question is being asked in a Ronnie Brown Thread. The guys you listed are WR1, not RB1. The point is that the RB's have had average to good games against this defense so your point does not apply to this thread. I understand that you are saying they will focus on Brown and make the pass beat them. As it was pointed out, this scheme was already used on TEN and how did that turn out? That is really the only precedent to look at, not how they defended WR's.

The discussion went on a bit of a tangent to how Brown will perform against the Jets...which meant a little discussion about the Ryan scheme and the Jets defensive focus over the first quarter of the season. In turn, how does it impact Brown this week.My guess this week is that Brown puts up around 65 yard on the ground, another 20 on 3 catches and the Jets keep him out of the endzone. With that said, you can now likely expect a buck fifty and 2 TD's.

The Phins on a whole ran a whole lot better than I expected. They manhandled the Jets front 7...and even more so, Henne was damn good. Much better than I ever anticipated.They moved the ball with little trouble.

 

[Bills_Fan11]

Looking at Miami's rush offense for the 4 games (Home vs Away):

Away:

@Seattle - Seattle gave up an average of 162 against their other 2 opponents (CAR, NE) - gave up 83 to Miami.

@San Diego - SD gave an average of 152 to their other opponents (OAK, BAL, PIT) - gave up 149 to Miami



Home:

vs Indy - Indy gave up an average of 62 yards to their other opponents (JAX, ARI, SEA) - gave up 239 to Miami

vs Buffalo - Buffalo gave up an average of 117 to others (NE, TB, NO) - gave up 250 to Miami



This week:

vs NYJ at home - NYJ gave up an average of 101 to others (HOU, NE, TEN, NO) - Another 200+ week?

So is Miami's rushing attack really that much better at home? It looks like they are about 3-4 times more effective at home vs on the road. I know, not a perfect study and small numbers. But, even so, there appears to be a clear difference.

My question is why? Why would they be better running the ball at home? Very interesting.

It's just a fluke. They turned the ball over a million times in week 1 and had to change QB's vs. SD (plus a goaline fumble). It's like expecting Carolina to be a much better home team because of last year, when before last year they were always better on the road. Totally insignificant sample.

 

[Keepers]

Anyone that has traded Brown must feel foolish.

Own him in 2 leagues and traded him in one. I needed an improvement at QB and have the depth at RB to make the trade, but yea I still feel a little foolish. Thought the Jets would shut down the Phins running game but Henne looked great against a very good D which is only going to help Ronnie and Ricky going forward.

 

[Ozymandias]

I'm considering starting Ronnie vs. BYE next week. I know it's a tough matchup, but I honestly don't see how you could bench him at this point.

But is it an away BYE, or a home BYE?As the stats above show, it could make a huge difference.

 

[Knobs]

Anyone that has traded Brown must feel foolish.

 

[2ksports]

Looking at Miami's rush offense for the 4 games (Home vs Away):

Away:

@Seattle - Seattle gave up an average of 162 against their other 2 opponents (CAR, NE) - gave up 83 to Miami.

@San Diego - SD gave an average of 152 to their other opponents (OAK, BAL, PIT) - gave up 149 to Miami



Home:

vs Indy - Indy gave up an average of 62 yards to their other opponents (JAX, ARI, SEA) - gave up 239 to Miami

vs Buffalo - Buffalo gave up an average of 117 to others (NE, TB, NO) - gave up 250 to Miami



This week:

vs NYJ at home - NYJ gave up an average of 101 to others (HOU, NE, TEN, NO) - Another 200+ week?

So is Miami's rushing attack really that much better at home? It looks like they are about 3-4 times more effective at home vs on the road. I know, not a perfect study and small numbers. But, even so, there appears to be a clear difference.

My question is why? Why would they be better running the ball at home? Very interesting.

It's just a fluke. They turned the ball over a million times in week 1 and had to change QB's vs. SD (plus a goaline fumble). It's like expecting Carolina to be a much better home team because of last year, when before last year they were always better on the road. Totally insignificant sample.

No it's not. It has a lot to do with weather. You can see the D-line was worn out every single game. Jenkins, Freeney, etc sititng on the bench for plays and Miami going right at the replacements.Typically, Miami's rushing offense slows down as it gets colder.

However, I still think Ronnie finishes top 5, possibly #1 overall RB.

 

[SSOG]

I'm considering starting Ronnie vs. BYE next week. I know it's a tough matchup, but I honestly don't see how you could bench him at this point.

But is it an away BYE, or a home BYE?As the stats above show, it could make a huge difference.

I heard that the Dolphins players are at home next week, so it must be a home BYE.Come to think of it, BYE must have the worst schedule in the entire league. It seems like every year BYE has to play twice as many teams as anyone else, and they're all on the road. Plus, it gets no national recognition because its games are never televised, despite the fact that it hasn't lost a game in at least 40 years. It really gets the short end of the stick.

 

[dmac37]

I moved Ronnie after the Colts Monday night game because I had good stable of RB's- AD, Brown, Rice, Benson, Bradshaw, and Caddy.

I was shocked that the Miami o-line was able to dominate the Jets d-line the way they did. I think defenses will figure out how to slow down/stop the wildcat as the season goes on. If that does happen Brown could still have value in a conventional offense "if" Hene continues to play like last night.

My concerns then and still somewhat now is can they continue to dominate the clock like they have been? Ricky is still in the mix and will get his share of theTD's, seems like Brown has been in position for the TD's more lately bumping up his total points.

 

[JD8p]

Thus far I am disappointed that I dealt Brown right after Chad got hurt.

He was one of my guys this offseason...I was able to land him in a spot I thought was a steal, and I dealt him. Stupid.