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Ryan Mathews likely out until October (1 Viewer)
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I agree, but many were saying he was going to be back by week 2 at the latest, including Mathews saying by week 1.
rizzler
Footballguy
Never trust a guy who once broke his neck laying on a down pillow.
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butcher boy
Footballguy
Undraftable
Not putting my doctor hat on, but when I was in 7th grade, my best friend on my hockey team broke his collar bone. Sat out for a while, and on his first shift back he got check into the boards and ended up breaking both. I'll never forget the image of him skating back from the other end of the ice, crying (while the coach is yelling at to him to stay down) and his arms just flopping at his sides. He never had an issue with them again, but doctor gave him a range, and he came back on the early side. He says that he felt good for a while before he came back, so it may be one of those injuries (versus an ACL) where you really are not as ready as you think...or it could have just been a freak occurrence.
Mario Kart
Footballguy
Where does this news move Gates? Rivers?
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Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
"Doctor who has never been in the same room as Ryan Mathews" says.
Just to be clear.
Just to be clear.
hotdogcollars
Footballguy
missing 3 games, i'd take him in the 4th or 5th. But this is in a keeper league where most of those are using up 7th+ rd picks. So the top 6 rds gobble up whoever is left
butcher boy
Footballguy
So what are the doctors who HAVE been in the same room with Mathews saying?
Is this such a rare and freak injury that this guy is way off base with his diagnosis?
Is this such a rare and freak injury that this guy is way off base with his diagnosis?
pantherclub
Footballguy
How can you draft him at all at this point. What would you really be expecting of him?
rizzler
Footballguy
pantherclub
Footballguy
Nah, there is always that somebody that burns a high pick in a situation like this. Not going to be me.Why would you draft a guy with a substantial injury history that is already hurt pretty severely? If he is there in the 14rth or something then sure why not but there is always that guy........late round flier as a lottery ticket
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
BustedKnuckles
Footballguy
The doc seems pretty informed, im gonna trust his opinion. He says an average it takes 8.8 weeks to fully recover...im buying
pantherclub
Footballguy
what round you thinking?
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Here is the problem. If he is out week 1 and week 2...what does he do his 1st week back? When will he get 75% of the touches and be a quality start? If he struggles, if the Chargers OL is in fact as bad as some of us are sniffing then maybe Mathews is not hurried back at all. October? That could mean he won't be 100% until November.
We Tigers
Footballguy
Troll thread. As others have noted, this doctor is just some dude speculating on NFL Live. He has no involvement with the Chargers or Mathews' recovery. This is no different than when we have threads on here where everyone speculate or asks their doctor brother-in-law how long it takes to come back from a broken collarbone or a high ankle sprain or whatever.
Sure, Mathews could miss half the season. This is no evidence of that. Don't get excited/sad.
Sure, Mathews could miss half the season. This is no evidence of that. Don't get excited/sad.
butcher boy
Footballguy
This is hyperbole. It's not some dude, it's a doctor who seemingly knows what he's talking about. There seem to be lots of Mathews owners in this thread.
We Tigers
Footballguy
This is one of the goofiest criticisms I see in the Shark Pool. Aren't we all each in enough leagues that most of us probably own Mathews somewhere?
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
guys, that DR used to work in professional sports, he was the DR for the White Sox and Bulls.
not like he doesnt know his stuff. I would be surprised to see mathews before October and even then I fear he is at risk for re-injury.
Screws my bolts over, and screws 1 of my dyno teams. Ah well
not like he doesnt know his stuff. I would be surprised to see mathews before October and even then I fear he is at risk for re-injury.
Screws my bolts over, and screws 1 of my dyno teams. Ah well
VaTerp
Footballguy
Exactly.Funny that a Dr who ha no interaction whatsoever with Mathews expresses his opinion and now he's "undraftable."Nothing has changed here. Call me crazy, I'm one of those people who is still very much interested in getting Mathews this year and still expects him to miss no more than 2 weeks.If anything I welcome this sort of speculation getting pushed into the mainstream to further drive down his price.
Donnybrook
Footballguy
I still can't get over the fact that he broke his collar bone on his very first carry in pre-seaon. Only 399 of his goal of 400 touches left to go.
butcher boy
Footballguy
Does anyone have a link where one of Mathews or San Diego's team doctors commented on his return? Every article I can find says that the initial 4-6 week timetable was given by Norv Turner.
doowain
Footballguy
We get it. You hate Mathews. You can chill out a bit.
His doctor can't comment unless Matthews gives him permission to (HIPAA laws). We have seen cases where doctors will speak out and it is usually in a case where someone is better than perceived or someone had a catastrophic injury and they want to let people know his life is not in danger. Each team has their own set of policies, so you can't read too much into it, but what would SD gain by having the doc trot out and say he is nixed until October? Now teams can plan around him; if they keep it week-to-week, opposing teams have to waste some prep time on him. We may never know until the week he is actually ready.
Multiple Scores
Footballguy
Bath Salts
rizzler
Footballguy
Untrue, I was looking at drafting him."Luckily" for me, he talked me out of it in one carry.And I'm not cheering about his injury. It sucks. but for fantasy purposes, it made my decision much easier.
BustedKnuckles
Footballguy
i would just try to grab him after i had 2 quality RB`s already on my team and just sit and wait.
butcher boy
Footballguy
Right, which is why I'm inclined to believe the doctors saying his return might be later rather than sooner.
NJ
Footballguy
COULD he be out until October? Sure. But saying he is LIKELY out until October because of one doctor's opinion who has never even examined him seems like an over-reaction. I wonder what this guy would have said about Colston's injury before he came back in 3 weeks? The doctor's and trainers who actually have examined him set a timetable of 4 to 6 weeks and I don't see why that's an unreasonable timeframe or any less believable than this new doctor's speculation.
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BustedKnuckles
Footballguy
so he gives a doom n gloom prognosis on mathews and some great news on trent richardson and d.murry ect;...im guessing the guys who like the good news are praising this doctor and the ones who hate his bad news on mathews are saying hes a quack lol
massraider
Footballguy
He was pretty definitive that it takes 6 weeks to heal. I am going to go with that as a fact. You're looking at week 3 at best, and who is to say he gets 20 carries that week?
With the boo-boo history, you definitely need to be concerned, and wonder when he is an obvious start. I could easily see it being week 5 or later before you are comfortable plugging him in.
In redraft, when I look at PPR, at an ADP between 59 and 73 I see Shonn Greene, LawFirm, McGahee, Stewart, Helu, Wells, Hillis. I think if I was in that area, I'd be willing to burn a pick. Maybe his ADP never gets that low, it only takes one owner to take a chance he comes back early and strong. But not sure I'd consider him before then.
He could make or break your season. If you get top 5 production at RB from week 4 on, and you got him in the 4th or so, that's probably worth the pick. But if your team starts out slow....
With the boo-boo history, you definitely need to be concerned, and wonder when he is an obvious start. I could easily see it being week 5 or later before you are comfortable plugging him in.
In redraft, when I look at PPR, at an ADP between 59 and 73 I see Shonn Greene, LawFirm, McGahee, Stewart, Helu, Wells, Hillis. I think if I was in that area, I'd be willing to burn a pick. Maybe his ADP never gets that low, it only takes one owner to take a chance he comes back early and strong. But not sure I'd consider him before then.
He could make or break your season. If you get top 5 production at RB from week 4 on, and you got him in the 4th or so, that's probably worth the pick. But if your team starts out slow....
butcher boy
Footballguy
massraider
Footballguy
Well, OK, but why do you think that? Even if this guy never met Mathews, he was a team doctor, I am going to guess he has an idea of how long collarbones take. If he says studies show it takes 8.8 weeks, do we have evidence to the contrary?
Shutout
Footballguy
That's the killer. Having to put a somewhat high pick in to get him (cause let's face it, every league has that guy that's just simply not going to let a name player fall THAT far), you run a risk of being 0-3,0-4, 0-5 before he comes back. That's nearly half the season.THEN, you look at their bye week...Ugh! Week 7. So you either immediately lose him again OR you run the risk that the Chargers think the timeline is close so they don't rush it and they just play him from week 8 forward. that's MORE than half the year.
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NJ
Footballguy
No, I'm not in the training room, I didn't hear what the doctors said and yes it possible that the Chargers are lying about it, but what I'm saying is that 4-6 weeks is not an unreasonable timeframe so I don't understand why people are going to believe a doctor who has not examined him over the team? Not all clavicle injuries are identical, here is a quote on the factors that can determine how long it takes to return. "Factors that can influence the severity of the injury include the location of the fracture within the bone (the midshaft of the clavicle is more commonly broken and often less problematic than the end near the shoulder, for instance), whether the fracture was displaced (whether the bony ends remained in alignment or not), and whether there were multiple fragments (more often seen in high-speed accidents). None of this information has been made available regarding Mathews' injury."
So if none of this information has been made available how can this doctor make a blanket statement that it takes 8 weeks to heal? Colston was projected to miss 4 weeks and came back in 3 from this injury. Are we supposed to believe that he played when his shoulder wasn't even half way through the healing process if it really takes 8 weeks for all clavicle injuries to heal? If Colston came back in 3 why is it impossible for Mathews to come back in 6?
By the way, Riley Cooper fractured his clavicle at the end of July and the Eagles projected him to miss 6 weeks. I guess they are lying too so that teams can't gameplan around him?
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VaTerp
Footballguy
And I just actually listened to what the Doctor said. He basically said "it takes 6 weeks for the bone to heal, if he comes back sooner he risks re-injury, and that he thinks it will be minimum 6 weeks, closer to 8."That is consistent with time frames given earlier and the worst case scenario of 8 weeks. So in this DR's opinion it will be closer to the 8 weeks. That's fine. But the medical opinion on specific recovery time for a Doctor who has never seen that patient is just an educated guess. Even if Mathews misses the first 4 weeks of the season it's not as if he has no value as some are suggesting. But at the end of the day, it's all speculation and we have to wait and see. It's just funny to me that people want to go out of their way to discuss how soft Mathews is, how they believe he'll miss the maximum amount of time, get re-injured, and that he's off their draft board. Seems like a waste of time and energy to post so much in a thread about a player you want no part of.
doowain
Footballguy
Maybe I'm mistaking you with someone else, but I'm fairly certain I've seen you bashing him in multiple threads.
mozzy84
Footballguy
Actually I would think the opposite....
Because the same doctor said it takes six weeks for the bone to heal. If the bone is healed and Mathews stays in shape, then where are the additional 2.8 weeks to "get back" coming from?
butcher boy
Footballguy
In the case of Mathews who has a reputation of not being one of the NFL's toughest players, I'd be more inclined to accept the longer recovery estimate than the more optimistic ones.
rizzler
Footballguy
No, that's me.
VaTerp
Footballguy
I think that based on what the Chargers have said and the information that I've seen. I could be way off but I can have an opinion just like everyone else.Of course he has an idea of the general timeframe it takes a for a collarbone to heal. But every injury is different, and everyone's body responds differently to injury.
The Doctor refers to studies showing it takes 8.8 weeks. Ok. Over what time frame was that study conducted? Have there been advances in treatment over the course of this study? How severe were the breaks and displacements of those involved in the study? Where does Mathew's injury fall in that range of severity. Lots of questions here.
And yes, we do have evidence to the contrary in Marques Colston's injury last year. Colston was back in 3 weeks. Does that mean Mathews can come back in three? Of course not, as I said all injuries are different. But people are acting like what this Doctor says is gospel when it comes to Mathews return. It's not.
It's a Doctor whose paid to come on a TV show and make comments. He has a general idea but knows none of the specifics of Mathews injury. NFL.com runs it as a headline because they know it will attract hits.
So we can all have different guesses about Mathews return and nobody will know for sure until he actually steps on the field again. But people are reacting as if something has changed since yesterday when in reality, nothing has. We all still have to wait and see.
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massraider
Footballguy
I would also throw out there that if you could pick a position where you would err on the side of caution when it came to clavicles, QB may be the only one you would be more careful with than RB.
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