Big Tex...
I am having trouble believing your side of the argument when facts are presented by you that are false.
-For Instance...you said "The score is Boise 34, Fresno 3 with 7:44 to go in the second quarter, the second score is Boise 34, Fresno 10 with 5:00 togo in the 2nd and it was probably the next possession for Fresno considering the time frame from the first score. The 3rd score it was Boise St 41, Fresno 27 with 13:16 in the 4th showed. It looks like the ran the same play over and over on the 1st and 2nd TD. On the 3rd they ran the same play just to the opposite side."
When in reality the score the first run was 24-3, the second run it was 24-10.
We've cleared this up
-Another Instance...you said "Some games were out of hand and Fresno St was getting blown away (garbage time stats) so they just fed Matthews the ball while the other team had their 3rd string in. (I really don't know about the 3rd string but when you're up by 30+pts I'm sure the scrubs are playing)."
I based this partcially on the Boise St game which I thought the score was 34 to 3
And later stated "Boise State
#28r/3.83 (Matt 12.3) This was the game that was clearly out of hand
#21p/10.45 (0)"
It wasn't out of hand and I re-watched the plays to determine as many of the defensive players were on the field. They had their leading tacklers for the year out on the field: 2nd, 3rd, 6th, 7th, 8th, 9th, 14th, 16th, and 17th leading tacklers on the field.
Again, this was based on thinking the score was 34 to 3 and if you read my second comment I said I really didn't know for sure.
-"Spiller's numbers>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Mathew's numbers in every category"
I have shown you that he doesn't.....he rarely has Mathews beat in any rushing category.
LOL, I didn't say "rushing category," I said numbers and it holds true.
First do you agree that the level of competition is great in the ACC vs the WAC?
From a career standpoint,
*True or False*
Spiller has more TDs
Spiller has more carries
Spiller has more rushing yards
Spiller is faster
Spiller has more catches
Spiller has more receiving yards
Spiller has more all-purpose yards
What other numbers are there?
-You keep talking about all-purpose yards as some kind of relation to carrying the load.....then I point out and you agree that Mardy Gilyard(who has more all-purpose yards you stated) cannot carry the load b/c of frame....see the contradiction and why return stats have no relevance?
No contradiction at all, Spiller is a running back that has produced at EVERY level of the game, what else do you want? Can you say the same about Matthews? He's EVERY owner's dream, a track star with first class speed which can produce at a very high level. Again, what else do you want? I've seen Matthews get caught from behind have you seen CJ4 caught from behind? LOL! He's touch the ball in every facet of the game. So tell me, what does "carrying the load" mean? Maybe we have different definitions. The diference between CJ4 and Gilyard is simply this, CJ4 being 3rd in the nation in all-purpose yards is rare. It's normally WR/KR that hold these type of records and for a running back to do it is outstanding, it's a sharks starting tailback and a guppy's wet dream.
-You commented on how Spiller played in the ACC...in regards to that should help him carry the load. The ACC is far from a conference powerhouse. I would rather have the SEC, Big 12, Big 10, Pac 10 over the ACC.
:Iversonvioce:But we're talking about them we're talking about the WAC, the WAC man, we're talking about the WAC:Iversonvoice:
Plus, I never said "powerhouse" but we are talking about the WAC here.
-Regarding Spiller's size...it is a deterent....it is possible he could lose his speed with trying to add weight.....mathew's frame is fine the way he is. At 5'11 it is possible for Spiller...but one can't assume it can just happen....he is a senior and 22....older than the other RBs(Mathews, Best, Dwyer) as well.
I don't speak in hypotheticals because we really don't know what will happen regarding him gaining weight.
LOL, you're wrong about their age, Matt: May 1, 1987. Spiller: Aug 15, 1987. Best: Jan 30, 1989. Dwyer: July 26, 1989
-Spiller has 606 carries and Mathews has 538 so the "carrying the load" question should go to Mathews as well.
Funny statement when you compare Mathews having that amount of carries in a 3 year period...while it took Spiller 4 years. Games played Spiller=52 Mathews=31. As well as Mathews having 25 more pounds on Spiller.
Don't know how you're trying to rebuke this. He had 606 carries during his college career. There's no shame in that no matter how you try to twist it. I can't believe you would even try this. Spiller has his degree, he did his time, he's a matured Senior RB (that's younger than Matthews by the way, just in case you missed it) that's playing like a stud. He has that WOW factor.
-"Spiller does things you haven't seen in some time...." Then you talked about record books.
You do realize that James Davis just had a great career at RB for Clemson just before Spiller. While Spiller had a slightly better one....it isn't by much.
Rushing
Spiller-606 for 3,547 5.85 32 TD
Davis- 753 for 3,881 5.15 47 TD
Davis also had 51 catches for over 400 yards and 2 TDs.
Spiller was better than Davis....outside of TD's but still its comparable. So to say things you haven't seen in some time....is very relative...but you just missed another RB from the same school that put up comparable numbers.
Again, you're inserting someone that has nothing to do with the argument, you did the same thing with McFadden. The CLEAR difference between the two is that Davis's numbers took a nose dive from his junior yr as CJ4 numbers went to Jupiter. Hell, CJ4 was the reason why his numbers took a nose dive.
Let's keep this CJ4 vs Matthews.
-Then I went through game by game and showed how his games weren't blow outs vs solid competition.
-Since you seem hung up that Spiller faced much better run defenses....lets look.
Game 1- Middle Tennessee 50th ranked run D - 4 for 12 yards
Game 2- Georgia Tech 68th run D - 20 for 87
Game 3- Boston College 14th run D -17 for 77
Game 4- TCU 3rd run D -26 for 112 1 TD
Game 5- Maryland 66th run D - 18 for 72
Game 6- Wake Forest 82nd run D - 9 for 106 2 TDs
Game 7- Miami(FL) 32nd run D - 14 for 81
Game 8- Coastal Carolina (non BCS school) - 5 for 27 1 TD
Game 9- Florida State 108th run D - 22 for 165 1 TD
Game 10- NC State 57th run D - 18 for 97 1 TD
Game 11- Virginia 95th run D - 19 for 58 1 TD
Game 12- South Carolina 52nd run D - 9 for 18
Game 13- Georgia Tech 68th run D - 20 for 233 4 TD
Game 14- Kentucky 100th ranked run D - 15 for 67 1 TD
So he faced the 3rd, 14th, 32nd, 50th, 52nd, 57th, 66th, 68th, 68th, 82nd, 95th, 100th, 108th, and a non-FBS school.
Mathews
Game 1-UC Davis non-FBS - 11 for 106 1 TD
Game 2-Wisconsin 5th Run D - 19 for 107
Game 3-Boise State 28th Run D - 19 for 234 3 TDs
Game 4-Cincinatti 61st Run D - 38 for 145 1 TD
Game 5-hawaii 107th Run D - 24 for 149 1 TD
Game 6-San Jose State 119th Run D - 20 for 233 1 TD
Game 7-New Mexico State 114th Run D - 25 for 157 2 TDs
Game 8-Utah State 110th Run D - 23 for 185 2 TDs
Game 9-Idaho 77th Run D - 26 for 143 3 TDs
Game 10-Nevada 22nd Run D - 8 for 32 (got injured in the 2nd quarter)
Game 11-Did not play
Game 12-Illinois 76th Run D - 32 for 173 3 TDs
Game 13-Wyoming 93rd Run D - 31 for 144 2 TDs
So he faced the 5th, 22nd, 28th, 61st, 76th, 77th, 93rd, 107th, 110th, 114th, 119th, and a non-FBS school.
It's not how you start but how you finish and Spiller finishes the college race with better numbers.
They both faced a couple good run D's...Spiller faced some better middle run D's....Mathews had 2 more easy run Defenses...but looking at the numbers it isn't the landslide you made it out to be.
No, no, no. Never said it was a landslide, this is your second habit. You like to put words in my mouth. All I said was he faced tougher competition. If this is not true then just come out and say it. Say the WAC is a stronger Division than the ACC.
I agree they both faced some good teams.
Then if you look how they produced.....Mathews ran for over 100 on every team outside of the game he got hurt in the second quarter.
But they were the weakiest of the weak, we've already looked at that.
Level of Competition can also be taken this way.
Who has a better offensive line.....probably Spiller. Better QB- Spiller....you get the idea. I'm sure defenses fear Jacoby Ford much more than the Fresno WR's as well. So teams could gameplan more for Mathews than Spiller.
OK, you're reaching for straws now.
Again, I don't do hypotheticals. Ford was average at best in college. That's why everyone including myself are surprised at how good he's doing.