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The lack of discipline really points to the coaches.  I think the lot of them should be gone

I have a bad feeling this Lance trade is going to set us back a decade.  

That game was embarrassing last night

I still think we should trade Bosa while we can.  He is going to want a king's ransom and a rebuilding team can't afford TJ Watt money

I agree that whatever value JG had is gone.  We probably could have got a 2nd for him in the offseason.  We would be lucky for a 5th now

 
killface said:
The lack of discipline really points to the coaches.  I think the lot of them should be gone

I have a bad feeling this Lance trade is going to set us back a decade.  

That game was embarrassing last night

I still think we should trade Bosa while we can.  He is going to want a king's ransom and a rebuilding team can't afford TJ Watt money

I agree that whatever value JG had is gone.  We probably could have got a 2nd for him in the offseason.  We would be lucky for a 5th now
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I agree with a lot of this post, particularly about the coaching staff. The niners diced up the Colts on the first drive with the running game then went completely away from it. 

Second, the DB play was atrocious. The DBs never looked back at the ball, which points to poor coaching. If they would have looked back they had a chance to knock the ball down or make an INT. Bear hugging the receiver is going to get call 100% of the time. 

Shock as it sounds, it appear Shanny might be better suited as an OC rather than a HC.

As for JG, I believe he is still the team's best option. TL is not ready for the NFL and may not be ready next year. 

How much more optimistic would the fan base be if the 9ers had selected Mac Jones. Agree that the trade could set the team back for years.

 
fantasycurse42 said:
It's amazing to me we can't get a passing game going when we averaged 38 yards a carry on the opening drive. 

Shanny is not a good coach, period. Jimmy is average at best at QB. To Wingnut's point, I doubt they even get a 4th rounder for Jimmy G. Just sit him down and send him packing for a bag of peanuts during the offseason. 

Secondary leads the NFL in PI and Norman is just a target out there. Beyond the terrible coverage, he also gets killed on PA every time. He shouldn't be on the field. QB finds Norman presnap every play, he knows where he is going. If not Norman, Williams is an equally bad coverage guy out there. This secondary is so bad. 

There will be a big improvement when Greenlaw comes back, but that doesn't fix the coverage issues at all.

If I see them using Lance as a RB when he comes back, I'm going to flip. Let him develop as a passer, let him make mistakes, and most importantly, keep him from taking punishment. 

Just such a disaster right now. 
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Norman is a huge liability, every time I see him on the field I cringe. I'd rather see the rookie Lenoir out there,  he can't be any worse then Norman, let the kid get reps and learn since we aren't going anywhere this season. Same with Ambry Thomas. Let the young guys play, for f sake! Also, Aaron Banks was dressed but didn't play. Sermon didn't get a carry.  WTF is happening here?! Every year we draft guys and don't play them or they go in the doghouse for no reason. I say start all the rookies going forward, let's see what we have.

As for K'Waun, he's a really good slot corner, but he might not be quite 100% yet and may have had a bit of rust last night. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt because he's been so solid before injury and because our outside CBs are so bad, he has more on his plate.

I agree about Jimmy, I doubt they get anything for him at all, but that's fine, his salary dump will help a ton. The guy can't read a frigging defense to save his life, you never see him make adjustments or attack favorable matchups like most NFL QBs do, he seems to have his mind made up who he's throwing to before the snap on most passing plays.  So frustrating. 

Also....maybe Kyle should let McDaniel be an actual OC and call plays, right now he's an OC in title only.  Let him do it next week and see how it goes. Not gonna happen,  but I think it should.

F this season. I'm tired of having hope in the offseason and then watching everything fall apart. 

 
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The bear hug PI in the end zone was quite possibly one of the worst I’ve ever seen.

Not to beat the drum anymore, but for a 10 year vet, is it me, or does Norman just get absolutely lost on PA? Shouldn’t that be an area where his experience could be somewhat helpful? Finding a downgrade to an aging Sherman was tough to do, but Lynch did it!

Agree on putting the rookies in, why not? Can’t be worse.

I really don’t want to see Bosa go, he’s just fun to watch.

And Trey needs to play, ready or not. He needs to learn, I’d prefer he does it now and has 11 games to play, study, and get ready for 2022. We gave away the world for the number 3 pick in the draft. Wasn’t a fan of the move, but I was happy it wasn’t Mac Jones. Nothing against Jones, but I don’t see him as a guy to mortgage the future on. Idk what we have Lance, but let’s give him this season and next to find out.

I doubt Shanny it Lynch will be gone in the off-season, but hopefully next year is as much leash as they have.

 
Since Lynch/Shanny took over they've had 17 draft picks on the first 2 days of the draft... only 3 of those guys are plus contributors on this team right now (Warner, Bosa, Samuel)

I honestly can't tell whether it's an issue of not being able to find talent in the top rounds, or not being able to develop it... but this is a trend that is unsustainable if they wanna keep their jobs.

 
chinawildman said:
Since Lynch/Shanny took over they've had 17 draft picks on the first 2 days of the draft... only 3 of those guys are plus contributors on this team right now (Warner, Bosa, Samuel)

I honestly can't tell whether it's an issue of not being able to find talent in the top rounds, or not being able to develop it... but this is a trend that is unsustainable if they wanna keep their jobs.
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Excellent point

And now they have traded away the next 3 years.

 
fantasycurse42 said:
This secondary is the worst in the NFL.
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It is literally replacement level.  They drafted a couple of youngsters and are opting to have them ride the bench in favor of guys they signed off the street at the last minute.  It's insanity - at least let the younger guys get some reps, it's not like they'd be any worse.

 
chinawildman said:
Please don't trade Bosa... his press conferences are the only entertaining aspects of the 49ers this year.
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Trading Bosa is nuts, unless you are getting like multiple firsts back for him.  We'd spend the next 10 years trying to find another defensive end like that.  The Niners won't be hurting for cap room once some of the dead weight contracts of underperforming vets comes off the books (e.g., Jimmy G, Ford).

I do think they should explore trading Kittle.  See if a contender will pay a haul of assets in hopes they are getting 2019 Kittle.  I love the guy, but as I feared in 2018-19, his style of play isn't sustainable and I suspect he's just broken at this point.

chinawildman said:
Since Lynch/Shanny took over they've had 17 draft picks on the first 2 days of the draft... only 3 of those guys are plus contributors on this team right now (Warner, Bosa, Samuel)

I honestly can't tell whether it's an issue of not being able to find talent in the top rounds, or not being able to develop it... but this is a trend that is unsustainable if they wanna keep their jobs.
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I think I posted this last week, but they should fire Lynch and replace him with someone who is actually Shanahan's boss.  It might be tricky to find a solid GM who wouldn't want to bring in his own coach right away, but I think it's possible.  If Shanahan were fired, he'd have several teams offering him jobs next year - he's still a valuable commodity and it shouldn't be too difficult to find a personnel guy who recognizes that.  Shanahan is just the latest in an extremely long list of coaches who have proven they can't handle coaching and front office responsibilities at the same time.

 
thecatch said:
Trading Bosa is nuts, unless you are getting like multiple firsts back for him.  We'd spend the next 10 years trying to find another defensive end like that.  The Niners won't be hurting for cap room once some of the dead weight contracts of underperforming vets comes off the books (e.g., Jimmy G, Ford).

I do think they should explore trading Kittle.  See if a contender will pay a haul of assets in hopes they are getting 2019 Kittle.  I love the guy, but as I feared in 2018-19, his style of play isn't sustainable and I suspect he's just broken at this point.

I think I posted this last week, but they should fire Lynch and replace him with someone who is actually Shanahan's boss.  It might be tricky to find a solid GM who wouldn't want to bring in his own coach right away, but I think it's possible.  If Shanahan were fired, he'd have several teams offering him jobs next year - he's still a valuable commodity and it shouldn't be too difficult to find a personnel guy who recognizes that.  Shanahan is just the latest in an extremely long list of coaches who have proven they can't handle coaching and front office responsibilities at the same time.
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I only mention trading Bosa because this team feels like a rebuild at this point and Bosa is going to want a minimum of 30 million per year, maybe close to $35 million per year.  I'm not sure he is that much of a disrupter honestly but mostly we are draft limited for three years.  It would be nice to get some of that back if we are indeed rebuilding.

Let's look at the team as a whole

QB - Lance maybe a star but i suspect we are a couple years away from that being the case

RB - This backfield is devoid of talent if in fact Sermon doesn't succeed.  I don't mind Mitchell but he isn't the answer

WR - Deebo is awesome.  Love the guy but there is nothing behind him if in fact Aiyuk is pulling a Pettis

TE - Kittle might be my fav player in the league but he is always hurt and i agree with the assessment that he is probably broken at this point

OLINE - Badly underperforming in my books.  I'm not sure what to say here.  There should be some talent but I don't know if they are just poorly coached or what

DLine - The bread and butter really.  Kinlaw has been alright.  Ford is mostly way overpaid.  Bosa is bosa.  Again I feel like they are underperforming.  In spurts they look good but it also seems in spurts they get zero pressure

LBs - I'm not as high on this group as others.  Warner is good, not great.  The rest can pretty much be subbed in by anyone quite frankly.  The PFF grades are all poor

DBs - enough said above

As was mentioned above maybe trading Kittle is the answer although I'm not sure we could get a 1st for him.  I wish we dealt JG in the offseason.  I am certain we could have got a 2nd for him

 
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When all is said and done, unless Trey Lance is a superstar, my feelings are unchanged when they paid a king’s ransom to get him. Quite honestly, they might’ve been able to get him without making any trade. Miami/Atl/Cincy weren’t taking a QB and the Pats weren’t going to do something as reckless as trade their next couple of drafts.

 
I still come back to my feelings from years ago, and my disdain for Jed York. Jim Harbaugh completely took this team from obscurity to relevance. His last season was a lost season, but I blame that on Jed and not him. Jed bought a little time with the Super Bowl run 2 years ago, but the sour taste is coming back, and coming back quick.

The draft points above are also excellent at showing how bad this Shanny and Lynch combo have been. They’ve missed  on like 80% of their earlier picks. I guess when I think about it, maybe trading away those firsts for the next few years wasn’t a bad move, considering they’d just whiff on them anyways.

 
fantasycurse42 said:
When all is said and done, unless Trey Lance is a superstar, my feelings are unchanged when they paid a king’s ransom to get him. Quite honestly, they might’ve been able to get him without making any trade. Miami/Atl/Cincy weren’t taking a QB and the Pats weren’t going to do something as reckless as trade their next couple of drafts.
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I'm with you.  I think they badly overpaid for such a project.

 
fantasycurse42 said:
I still come back to my feelings from years ago, and my disdain for Jed York. Jim Harbaugh completely took this team from obscurity to relevance. His last season was a lost season, but I blame that on Jed and not him. Jed bought a little time with the Super Bowl run 2 years ago, but the sour taste is coming back, and coming back quick.

The draft points above are also excellent at showing how bad this Shanny and Lynch combo have been. They’ve missed  on like 80% of their earlier picks. I guess when I think about it, maybe trading away those firsts for the next few years wasn’t a bad move, considering they’d just whiff on them anyways.
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Then they can do something like waste a pick on a guy like sermon and make him sit on the bench...

 
killface said:
WR - Deebo is awesome.  Love the guy but there is nothing behind him if in fact Aiyuk is pulling a Pettis
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I wouldn't mind seeing a little more Trent Sherfield. Not saying he is anything special, but like the other young talent, we can't find out while they're not on the field. 

 
fantasycurse42 said:
I wouldn't mind seeing a little more Trent Sherfield. Not saying he is anything special, but like the other young talent, we can't find out while they're not on the field. 
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I also don't know why they don't trade Aiyuk too.  If you don't like him fine but get something for him now instead of just cutting him down the road.  

 
Wingnut said:
49ers reportedly turned down 2nd-round pick from Patriots for Jimmy Garoppolo on draft day.

https://www.49erswebzone.com/articles/151763-49ers-reportedly-turned-down-2nd-round-patriots-jimmy-garoppolo/

In Seth Wickersham’s book, he reports that the Patriots called the 49ers asking about Jimmy Garoppolo’s trade value on Day 1 of the (2021) draft. New England reportedly offered a 2nd; San Francisco wanted a 1st.
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Poor decision in hindsight but Shanny and Lynch would've wasted the pick anyway...

 
Wingnut said:
49ers reportedly turned down 2nd-round pick from Patriots for Jimmy Garoppolo on draft day.

https://www.49erswebzone.com/articles/151763-49ers-reportedly-turned-down-2nd-round-patriots-jimmy-garoppolo/

In Seth Wickersham’s book, he reports that the Patriots called the 49ers asking about Jimmy Garoppolo’s trade value on Day 1 of the (2021) draft. New England reportedly offered a 2nd; San Francisco wanted a 1st.
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Lynch has got to go.  What did they think they were going to get from Jimmy this year?  We would probably have been better off it we trade JG and just sign Fitz or Taylor or any old veteran.  They had to know what they had in JG.

 
Wingnut said:
49ers reportedly turned down 2nd-round pick from Patriots for Jimmy Garoppolo on draft day.

https://www.49erswebzone.com/articles/151763-49ers-reportedly-turned-down-2nd-round-patriots-jimmy-garoppolo/

In Seth Wickersham’s book, he reports that the Patriots called the 49ers asking about Jimmy Garoppolo’s trade value on Day 1 of the (2021) draft. New England reportedly offered a 2nd; San Francisco wanted a 1st.
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Today, head coach Kyle Shanahan debunked the report while speaking with the media. He was asked if there was any truth to Wickersham's claims.

"No. None," Shanahan responded. "I'd also like to not keep answering questions about a book. I promise if that was the case, I would have talked to their head coach."

https://www.49erswebzone.com/articles/151787-shanahan-truth-report-patriots-offered-49ers-2nd-round-garoppolo/

 
Wingnut said:
Today, head coach Kyle Shanahan debunked the report while speaking with the media. He was asked if there was any truth to Wickersham's claims.

"No. None," Shanahan responded. "I'd also like to not keep answering questions about a book. I promise if that was the case, I would have talked to their head coach."

https://www.49erswebzone.com/articles/151787-shanahan-truth-report-patriots-offered-49ers-2nd-round-garoppolo/
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The other option is to come out and say "I screwed up royally and I should be fired"

Maybe true but of course he is going to deny it

 
killface said:
Lynch has got to go.  What did they think they were going to get from Jimmy this year?  We would probably have been better off it we trade JG and just sign Fitz or Taylor or any old veteran.  They had to know what they had in JG.
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The team is definitely guilty of viewing their talent level through rose-colored glasses, up and down the entire roster.  What happened to that defensive line everyone was so stoked about all summer, and which they are devoting a huge amount of resources toward?  They were near the bottom of the league in QB pressures last I checked, even with a top 5 DE in Bosa.

On Jimmy specifically, you are absolutely right.  One of the beat writers made this point the other day; they spent all offseason desperately looking for QB upgrades.  They sniffed around every single QB who was rumored to be available, and even courted washed veteran backups like Flacco.  Then they pay a king's ransom for a top QB prospect... and we're supposed to believe Jimmy is giving them their best shot at winning?  None of their offseason actions match up with their in-season strategy.

 
thecatch said:
The team is definitely guilty of viewing their talent level through rose-colored glasses, up and down the entire roster.  What happened to that defensive line everyone was so stoked about all summer, and which they are devoting a huge amount of resources toward?  They were near the bottom of the league in QB pressures last I checked, even with a top 5 DE in Bosa.

On Jimmy specifically, you are absolutely right.  One of the beat writers made this point the other day; they spent all offseason desperately looking for QB upgrades.  They sniffed around every single QB who was rumored to be available, and even courted washed veteran backups like Flacco.  Then they pay a king's ransom for a top QB prospect... and we're supposed to believe Jimmy is giving them their best shot at winning?  None of their offseason actions match up with their in-season strategy.
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That's my main beef.  Shanny is supposed to be an offensive genius.  How did he not see all this playing out exactly the way it is?

I'm willing to give him a little more time but part of me thinks it's time for him to go to.  

It seems we went from superbowl contender to rebuild sometime when i blinked and I'm still not sure how it happened

 
When you run the ball, good things happen. 

This defense is terrible though. We need a complete overhaul of the seconday.

 
49ers 2021 draft. Anyone see a problem here?

Round 1, pick 3 – Trey Lance, QB, North Dakota State

Round 2, pick 48 – Aaron Banks, G, Notre Dame 

Round 3, pick 88 – Trey Sermon, RB, Ohio State

Round 3, pick 102 – Ambry Thomas, CB, Michigan

Round 5, pick 155 -- Jayson Moore, OT, Western Michigan

Round 5, pick 172 - Deommodore Lenoir, CB, Oregon

Round 5, pick 180 - Talanoa Hufanga, S, USC

Round 6, pick 194 - Elijah Mitchell, RB, Lousiana

Where are our 2nd thru 5th round picks? Players can't develop if they don't play.

 
I just don't think the cards are that good. If the secondary can hold up even a little i think we can beat them

 
Kittle, Gould and Jeff Wilson all back practice!! Greenlaw return delayed.

https://www.49erswebzone.com/articles/152060-greenlaws-return-delayed-george-kittle-wilson-practice-49ers/

There was a chance that San Francisco 49ers linebacker Dre Greenlaw might return to practice this week. It's what head coach Kyle Shanahan was hoping for, but it sounded like a best-case scenario. Unfortunately, Greenlaw's return from injured reserve is being delayed.

"No, we're looking at next week," Shanahan told reporters before today's practice when asked if he would be back this week. "He didn't quite get to where we want. Scared of just reinjuring it, rushing back a little too early, so we're going to have to put it off another week."

The good news is that tight end George Kittle, running back Jeff Wilson, and kicker Robbie Gould will return to practice today. Shanahan was asked if he expects Kittle to be ready to play right away.

"I'm not sure," Shanahan responded. "I'm not counting on it 100 percent. I'm waiting to see how he is today. We're going to slow it down a little bit, just [because he's] been banged up the last couple of weeks. We're going to go pretty slow today, but I think the real test will be for him tomorrow."

As for Deebo: 
"He couldn't go today," Shanahan said of Samuel. "Hopefully, he'll be able to go tomorrow. I'd be surprised if he can't go by Sunday, but he definitely can't go today."

 
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Full Wed practice report:

Practice window opened: TE George Kittle, RB Jeff Wilson, K Robbie Gould

No practice: LT Trent Williams (ankle), WR Deebo Samuel (calf), Jimmie Ward (quad), Elijah Mitchell (ribs)

Full go: DE Dee Ford, LB Azeez Al-Shaair are back from concussion protocol

 
We’re not competitive this year, why aren’t we giving Lance reps?

Also, why is Josh Norman still on the field? He’s like a huge bullseye out there. The first thing an opposing QB does is locate him.

 
Really don’t even enjoy watching this team. Undisciplined, bad coaching, bad play calling. Just not a lot to get excited about.

Getting rolled by backups. I might start rooting for us to lose. Not for draft picks (bc those are gone), but maybe to shake up the front office and coaching staff.

 
fantasycurse42 said:
We’re not competitive this year, why aren’t we giving Lance reps?

Also, why is Josh Norman still on the field? He’s like a huge bullseye out there. The first thing an opposing QB does is locate him.
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Not just lance, but why not give the two CBs they drafted some playing time instead of the replacement level vets?  There’s virtually no young talent on the field at all (apart from Bosa but he’s in his own category). 

 
fantasycurse42 said:
Really don’t even enjoy watching this team. Undisciplined, bad coaching, bad play calling. Just not a lot to get excited about.

Getting rolled by backups. I might start rooting for us to lose. Not for draft picks (bc those are gone), but maybe to shake up the front office and coaching staff.
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Shanny and lynch should be fired tomorrow for all the reasons you point out above

Not only is this team garbage at this point we have no ability to build better.  They should have traded JG, they shouldn't have overpaid for lance, they shouldn't have drafted sermon to deactivate him, they should have solidified the D

Fire them now.  Losing to AZs backups is beyond embarrassing

 
I had plans to head north to Jacksonville to take my kids to see them play on 11/21, I no longer see any reason for that.

This team is an embarrassment.

 
fantasycurse42 said:
I had plans to head north to Jacksonville to take my kids to see them play on 11/21, I no longer see any reason for that.

This team is an embarrassment.
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I was gonna go to that game as well, but decided a couple weeks ago against it. Glad I did. I'm prob done watching them as well.

Just garbage.

 
Shanahan really does suck. There's a lot of talent on this team, but it's going to waste with him as our HC.

 
Wingnut said:
I was gonna go to that game as well, but decided a couple weeks ago against it. Glad I did. I'm prob done watching them as well.

Just garbage.
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I was still on the fence until today, def not going.

When was the last time Jimmy completed a throw in the air more than 15 yards downfield? Shocking they can run the ball when there is absolutely no need for over the top help.

That throw to Kittle down the sideline in the 4th quarter should’ve been a touchdown (not that it would’ve mattered), instead he had to adjust and make a nice catch. Then they bring the corner blitz on that first 3rd down of the Cards final drive, didn’t work, so they did it again and got burned by Conner on the 2nd one. 

 
I do like what ARodgers said. And I respect that. Though my elders are compromised. It upsets me he can’t realize this. 

 
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