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fantasycurse42 said:
“He beat Josh Norman” announcer.

Yea, no ####, who hasn’t this season?

Nail in the coffin. If Jimmy G can’t manage the game, he’s useless, and today defines that. The front 7 has had pressure all game, and short handed to begin with.

I just want him & Kyle gone. Team is so undisciplined (one of a ton of Kyle complaints).
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We already know he can't manage the game from the SB.  All we had to do was keep leaning on KC and taking away their soul but numb nuts decided to audible to a pass on 2nd and 5 and everything went  downhill from there.  SF would have two more rings if they just stuck to the ground game in crunch time.

 
Quick thoughts.

Not the prettiest game, but a win is a win. Without those muffed kicks, I don't think we win that game. Falcons, Titans, Texans and Rams left. 10 wins is very possible.

Mitchell was missed big time yesterday, but man, Kittle is en fuego!!! First TE to ever have back to back games with 150+ yards, and hes scored 6 TDs in the last 6 games. Who was it that said here a few weeks ago that Kittles superstar days are over? Lol.

Al Shaair has quietly become a pretty good player, he always seems to be around the ball and making nice tackles. Hopefully his elbow injury is nothing.

Jennings is also developing nicely as a WR3, and he seems to have earned Jimmy's trust. Good things ahead for the kid IMO.

Ambry Thomas is not ready yet and Josh Noman is still terrible.

That's all I got for now. 

 
49ers over the past two games have only scored 3 points in the second half (outside of the 6 in OT yesterday). Each game came down to one drive that Shanahan scripts. Still that's only 9 points in three second half quarters yesterday, and zero points in the second half at Seattle where one of those drives ended up in a batted pass on 4th down.

What goes along with that is in each game the 49ers rushed for 71 yards and 100 yards respectively, and were poor on 3rd down as well. This game was turnover free however, CIN had two of them.

Two games do not make a trend. This is what just happened in two games on the road. Not that playing at home has mattered much lol, but it is worth noting. Of course they scored 20 in the second half at home vs. MIN. But DET beat MIN the next weekend in DET too, so there is that.

 
Uninspiring win, but since we have no first rounders for the next couple of years, no reason to root against.

I get the sense this team is destined to be a punching bag for like GB in the Wildcard round. Just enough to keep the clown squad in charge at GM/Coach. 

Thomas didn’t look ready, somehow maybe worse than Norman. I think Lenoir is the best of those 3, but need to see more. Getting pressure on the QB is our saving grace this year, yet somehow, inexplicably, with all that pressure, we lead the NFL in defensive penalty yardage… Inexcusable! 

 
I think Adams was one of Singletary's picks in the draft. IIRC, it was the draft where Scot McCloughan went off on a bender and Trent Baalke had to step in and help Singletary with the draft, and Adams was one of Singletary's picks that wasn't on McCloughan's board that Baalke worked off of.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/12/14/sports/football/phillip-adams-cte-shootings.html

The posthumous brain examination of Phillip Adams, a 32-year-old retired journeyman N.F.L. player who shot and killed six people before dying by suicide in April, revealed that he had an “unusually severe” form of C.T.E., a degenerative brain disease found in athletes and others with a history of repeated hits to the head.

Dr. Ann McKee, director of the C.T.E. Center at Boston University, said an examination of Adams’s brain showed significantly dense lesions in both frontal lobes, an abnormally severe diagnosis for a person in his 30s that most nearly resembled that of Aaron Hernandez, a former New England Patriots tight end who was 27 years old when he died by suicide after being convicted of a 2013 murder.

The violent rampage by Adams transformed an early spring day into a nightmare that shocked the community in Rock Hill, S.C., a city of 65,000 bonded through football, having produced so many skillful players it is nicknamed Football City U.S.A.

The victims included Robert Lesslie, a prominent local physician; his wife, Barbara; and two of their grandchildren, Adah, 9, and Noah, 5. Adams also killed two air-conditioning technicians, James Lewis and Robert Shook, whom he confronted at the Lesslies’ house. He later barricaded himself in his family home before fatally shooting himself.
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Adams, a defensive back, was drafted by the San Francisco 49ers in the seventh round of the 2010 N.F.L. draft. He bounced around the league, playing for the Patriots, the Seattle Seahawks, the Oakland Raiders, the Jets and the Atlanta Falcons before his career ended in 2015.

His trajectory followed the path of many N.F.L. players who never find firm footing in the league. But Adams found it difficult to confront the end of his playing days, those close to him said after the mass shooting, and his last-ditch chance to make an N.F.L. team fizzled.
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Dee Ford expects to be released this week.

Also, per ESPN power index,  49ers enter week 15 with a 78% chance to make the playoffs.  That would improve to 88% with a win vs Atlanta, and 43% with a loss.

 
Wingnut said:
Dee Ford expects to be released this week.

Also, per ESPN power index,  49ers enter week 15 with a 78% chance to make the playoffs.  That would improve to 88% with a win vs Atlanta, and 43% with a loss.
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:lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

That's basically a 50/50 chance they make the playoffs using that whatever of a metric. Who reaches for stuff like this?

fivethirtyeight has them at a 75% chance, with a +15 change from last week. If they lose I figure from tracking their predictions it would only drop -18, not in half lol. They are going to make the playoffs no matter what, the NFC is weak as a whole, but their other predictions as of this week are that the 49ers have a 0.1% chance of a first round bye, and a 1% chance of winning the Super Bowl (so they are saying THEY STILL HAVE A CHANCE):

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2021-nfl-predictions/?ex_cid=rrpromo

ESPN's metrics are so convoluted and flawed, especially their "QBR" because they mish mash formulas and try to sell their metric as a standard. Danny Tuccito, former associate editor of Football Outsiders and I used to go back and forth on how important advanced metrics are when we both wrote for Niners Nation. Back then I researched all kinds of football geek stuff, and Danny's DVOA charts over the 49ers still had to weigh that: 

The team was coached under Mike Singletary.

Mike Singletary with Jimmy Raye as OC.

Mike Singletary with Jimmy Raye, and Alex Smith and Shaun Hill for quarterbacks.

The 49ers went 8-8 that season too lol.

I dunno if anyone could had predicted all that volatility in the Singletary era, as there were a lot of noise to that signal. Yet if anyone could create a predictive algorithm in the NFL, well then it wouldn't be predicated on the quarterback position. Unless they are franchise quarterbacks like Aaron Rodgers, Patrick Mahomes, Russell Wilson, or Tom Brady. Because those quarterbacks despite whatever flaws a team has still gives them the best chance to win. Yet ESPN's prediction gives the 49ers a 50/50 chance at making the playoffs if they win or lose next week (which everyone has to be bullish on the 49ers vs. ATL, I mean come on), yet a 50% drop means they aren't bullish on the 49ers making the playoffs.

I read somewhere, I think on PFT's Power Ranking that said "The 49ers will go as far as Kittle takes them". A TE. Not a QB.

That's the most accurate take on where the 49ers will end up.

 
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Insein said:
Stumble upon this on Twitter and had to share it with people who would get it. 

🤣🤣🤣🤣

https://twitter.com/Clutvhh_/status/1471603349199876097?t=Un2rphNUqn_WxpzakEoNjQ&s=19
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The 49er comm's department do stuff like that all the time. Especially anything they can tie into the Bill Walsh era, like comparing quarterbacks like Alex Smith and Jimmy Garoppolo to Joe Montana and Steve Young. I am sure anyone could pull up Mullen's 5 TD game against IIRC the Cardinals and say it was one of the greatest single game/MNF performances by a 49er quarterback ever.

I guess not counting Steve Young's 5 TD Super Bowl.

 
Through 14 games, the 49ers have only beaten 2 teams above .500. That's just how the league overall has shaken out especially in the NFC, but it also shows how two losses against SEA who is at 5-8 right now -  the only sub .500 team they have lost to - has had a huge impact on their season overall.

 
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I intended to swear these guys off after the last Seahawks game, but I still found myself watching the last couple weeks, which have been encouraging.  If this team had anything better than truly replacement level cornerbacks, they would be capable of doing some postseason damage if Jimmy keeps playing like this.

 
thecatch said:
they would be capable of doing some postseason damage if Jimmy keeps playing like this.
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Playing game manager football against a bad defense in ATL is what it is, I wouldn't take much stock in game Beathard or Mullens or even Lance would had managed with an offense that rushed for 162 yards and 3 TDs.

 
thecatch said:
I intended to swear these guys off after the last Seahawks game, but I still found myself watching the last couple weeks, which have been encouraging.  If this team had anything better than truly replacement level cornerbacks, they would be capable of doing some postseason damage if Jimmy keeps playing like this.
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Jimmy leads the NFL with 8.5 yards per attempt this season.  Whaaaaaat?!

http://imgur.com/a/CoQ9ERh

I imagine this just infuriates haters who let him live rent free in their heads. It's really pretty comical how bent out of shape they get when he plays well. :lmao:

 
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Wingnut said:
I imagine this just infuriates haters who let him live rent free in their heads. It's really pretty comical how bent out of shape they get when he plays well.
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:lmao: :lmao: :ptts:

I am just trying to educate 49er fans in "football math" they don't understand lulz. I mean look who is at #6?

Derek Carr. Who is above Aaron Rodgers.

I don't think you understand the quarterback position in the least. He is still ranked in the bottom third of quarterbacks when it comes to balls in the air over 20 yards. Out of those top 3, Garoppolo has thrown for less attempts than both Burrow and Murray (who has missed a few games), yet still have similar completion percentages.

Burrow in his first full season through 14 games has thrown for 26 TDs and 14 INTs. Garopollo in his second not so full season through 13 games has thrown for 18 TDs and 8 INTs.

Burrow was drafted in 2020.

Garopollo was drafted in 2014.

But hey. he's made a top of a list!!

ETA: points on the scoreboard kinda are more important than a less than a percentage point behind a decimal, and Burrow is still second on that list because of less than a percentage point (at the shirt).

 
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Dear #1 49er hater

I still don't read your posts, so keep wasting your time if it makes you feel better. 

I'm a 49er fan, plain and simple. I couldn't care less about any haters opinions. I enjoy the game of football and watching my team.  You should try it some time, you might actually like it.

Nah.

 
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Pro bowl is nothing more than a popularity contest, but it's nice to see some 49ers getting some recognition from voters and its fun to talk about.

https://www.49erswebzone.com/articles/153853-49ers-among-vote-getters-juszczyk-george-kittle-williams-positions/

The NFL released updated stats on the leading Pro Bowl vote-getters. Several San Francisco 49ers players currently lead their respective positions now.

Nick Bosa leads all NFC defensive ends with 264,687 fan votes, which is second in all voting. Only Indianapolis Colts running back Jonathan Taylor has more with 265,370 fan votes.

Kyle Juszczyk leads all NFC fullbacks with 244,714 votes and owns the fourth-highest fan-vote count.

George Kittle now leads all NFC tight ends with 208,193 fan votes, and Trent Williams leads NFC tackles with 131,096 fan votes. Kittle and Williams are new to the top spots at their positions.

NFL PRO BOWL TOP-FIVE VOTE-GETTERS

RB Jonathan Taylor IND 265,370

DE Nick Bosa SF 264,687

TE Travis Kelce KC 262,540

FB Kyle Juszczyk SF 244,714

CB Trevon Diggs DAL 242,90

Top 5 vote getting teams

Kansas City Chiefs

Dallas Cowboys

San Francisco 49ers

New England Patriots

Green Bay Packers

 
Wingnut said:
Dear #1 49er hater

I still don't read your posts, so keep wasting your time if it makes you feel better. 

I'm a 49er fan, plain and simple. I couldn't care less about any haters opinions. I enjoy the game of football and watching my team.  You should try it some time, you might actually like it.

Nah.
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It doesn't matter if you read them. Because it's not about you that people want to read. But the fact that you do acknowledge them is not working like you think it is.

Nobody cares about fluff pieces or your front running fanboyism. This is a fantasy football forum where people can discuss about players and teams that they might not be fans of, but it doesn't mean that they have to post stuff in the thread to make you happy.

I just pick up what you put down, and run with it.

 
fivethirtyeight's forecast for Thursday night against TEN:

53% favoring TEN, which has closed a bit from last week at 58%

But wait! They have the 49ers now with a 2% chance of winning the Super Bowl! Up one percentage point from last week too!

How is that for teh analytics? :coffee:

 
drummer said:
fivethirtyeight's forecast for Thursday night against TEN:

53% favoring TEN, which has closed a bit from last week at 58%

But wait! They have the 49ers now with a 2% chance of winning the Super Bowl! Up one percentage point from last week too!

How is that for teh analytics? :coffee:
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What do they put the chances of you giving it a rest? Less than San Fran's chances of winning the SB?

 
cloppbeast said:
What do they put the chances of you giving it a rest? Less than San Fran's chances of winning the SB?
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The chance of you having an actual football related question/point.

There are plenty of outlets where you can get your confirmation bias jones on, hell last November 7th all hell broke loose here after an AZ loss that had people ripping up their season fan cards. They have three games left to go at least 10-7, and the fact that this thread gets bumped without the OP bailing out on it like other losing seasons may be a testament to the teams resiliency, and of course a strength of schedule that has worked in their favor (which the bulk of their wins came against sub .500 teams). 

I'm just posting the fivethirtyeight forecast to provide some optimism that was obliterated after the SEA loss. They are riding a two game win streak since, at the worst (and what fivethirtyeight has forecasted) they could wind up 9-8 if they happen to lose to the remaining teams with winning records. They have only won two games against teams that were above .500. But still, it's a winning season, and a shot at the post season.

Remember the old 49er teams who always won the weak NFCW, posting 11-14 win seasons, only to lose to MIN, GB, DAL, etc in the post season? Those teams made you wanna throw a brick through your CRT screen. Remember when George Seifert pulled Steve Young from a game against PHI where they were getting beat hard, and Young cussed out Seifert on the sideline? Fans turned on that team and Young right after that game and wanted to blow the whole thing up. They won the Super Bowl that season. Young wound up the NFL and Super Bowl MVP.

This team ain't those teams. They aren't even the team from 2018.

They are what they are, and that's just what it is.

 
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Watching Rams vs Seahawks makes me think a scenario of the 49ers having a shot at winning the division if all the breaks go their way (like more games affected by COVID, both AZ and LAR collapsing).

 
Deebo is a unicorn.

Among all players to catch at least 25 passes, Deebo Samuel leads the NFL in yards per reception (17.8)

Among all players to rush at least 25 times, Deebo Samuel leads the NFL in rushing average (6.9)

:eek:

 
TNF injury status update

OUT
Dre Greenlaw (groin)
Talanoa Hufanga (knee)
Maurice Hurst (calf)
Elijah Mitchell (knee)

QUESTIONABLE
Azeez Al-Shaair (elbow)
 

 
Wingnut said:
Jimmy was baaaaaad tonight.

Hope we can win out. 
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The one that wasn’t picked might’ve been the worst of the game. If the LB doesn’t grab, the DB was going to. Wtf was he looking at?

I obviously know it won’t happen, but I want Lance in ASAP. And Lance used as a mobile QB who can throw, not a FB Lance. We know we have no chance of doing any damage with JG, so why not? Like who cares, feed him the valuable experience now and let him know whatever happens is okay. What are we doing, auditioning JG for a 6th round pick? I’d rather put the kid in, this is absurd. You don’t mortgage your future to let the kid ride the bench. And then Shanny will use the excuse that he was developing (which he can’t bc be sucks as a coach) the young QB to buy another year after next season.

I feel bad for even bringing my kids into this 49ers fold with such a young York around. Should just send them into the wild and tell them pick their own team.

 
And if you want to line Deebo up in the backfield so much (which to me is idiotic bc it’s only a matter of time before every DC in the league realizes just sell out when he’s back there), then wouldn’t you want Lance in for an RPO type offense.

This season is so maddening to me bc it’s insane how mismanaged this team has been.

On the positive side, the front 4 is fantastic, and when the LB core is healthy, so are they. Thomas made some bad plays, but had a few nice plays too. As usual, Norman is the worst defender on the field. Is Lenoir hurt, why not put him on the field? Is the aging vet who can’t defend anything better? 

 
After that long drive to open the 2nd half, I was thrilled they bended, but didn’t break and held them to 3. Then Jim y just airmails a pick and sends the D right back out on the first freaking play. This defense has to have the lowest morale at times all bc of this bum. Not a surprise on that pick since he’s struggled to throw a nice ball over 5 yards down the field all season. Couldn’t even do that on the 4th down to Aiyuk.

I’m venting right now, this was a tough one to watch. 

 
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I figured we'd lose this one. Short week, traveling over 2 time.zones, TEN wanting to get back on track after losing to the Steelers last week, everyone saying the 49ers were "the team no one wants to play right now", most "experts" picking San Fran in this one...It all pointed to a let down.

Not gonna stew on this one, it is what it is, we've got 10 days to rest and get ready for Houston. 

 
Wingnut said:
I figured we'd lose this one. Short week, traveling over 2 time.zones, TEN wanting to get back on track after losing to the Steelers last week, everyone saying the 49ers were "the team no one wants to play right now", most "experts" picking San Fran in this one...It all pointed to a let down.

Not gonna stew on this one, it is what it is, we've got 10 days to rest and get ready for Houston. 
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It makes no sense, but I'd feel better if they had gotten ran out of the stadium from the opening kickoff.  That way I could just chalk it up to the factors you describe.  Them doing whatever they wanted for most of the first half and then choking it away was rough.  

 
49ers rookie Trey Lance has ‘a chance’ to start vs. Texans, says Kyle Shanahan

https://www.49erswebzone.com/articles/154117-49ers-rookie-trey-lance-chance-start-texans/

San Francisco 49ers rookie quarterback Trey Lance could make his second start of the season on Sunday against the Houston Texans. That all depends heavily on the status of starting quarterback Jimmy Garoppolo's thumb. On Monday, head coach Kyle Shanahan revealed that Garoppolo sustained a right thumb sprain.

The quarterback did not practice on Monday, and the 49ers will re-evaluate him before Wednesday's practice. Understandably, Shanahan didn't provide too many details about the injury, but ESPN's Adam Schefter reports that it may be "a more significant injury."

That brings Garoppolo's availability for a crucial Week 17 matchup into question. Shanahan was asked if Lance might get more playing time due to Garoppolo's injury.

"Definitely, if Jimmy's not playing," Shanahan responded. "I don't really want to decide that until I watch the Texans, and we just finished with our guys, so I'm about to jump into them now. But there's a chance."

Shanahan believes Lance has shown a lot of progress in recent weeks and might be prepared to lead the 49ers offense in Garoppolo's absence—if necessary.

"I think this last month with Trey has been his best consecutive four weeks of practice since we've had him," Shanahan said. "He's had a number of good days, and he's had some bad days like most guys do. But as far as his consistency and stuff, I feel this last month has been his best."

 

 
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Per Raporport:

Sources: #49ers QB Jimmy Garoppolo suffered a chipped bone and torn ligament in his right thumb. His status is in doubt for this weekend, but he’s going to try to gut it out, somehow. He’ll be reevaluated on Wednesday.

 
Per Schefter:

49ers’ QB Jimmy Garoppolo suffered a right thumb UCL tear along with a fracture, per source.

A response by some Dr guy:

Typically these injuries require surgery and return to play is around 5-6 weeks with over 95% of players returning to play again in the NFL. Usually, the ligament (UCL) pulls off a piece of bone at the time of injury. 

 
Wingnut said:
Looks like it might be Trey time.

:popcorn:
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I have serious reservations about rolling out Deebo or Aiyuk with Lance under center. I probably will start Deebo based on goal line opportunities, but not expecting much in terms of a passing attack.

 
Best thing that could’ve happened to this team. Honestly, with JG, we know our fate. Best case scenario is a divisional playoff loss, the favorite is a wildcard loss, and the possibility of missing the playoffs is also on the table.

As fans, we now have a complete wildcard. I’m much more excited about the unknown than the aforementioned paragraph. I’d be even more excited about it if it wasn’t for the week 5 disaster where we ran him like his name was Rathman. Hopefully Shanny smartens up  (unlikely) and uses him as a mobile passer.

Just unleash him. As the youngest QB in the league, I’ll give him a free pass no matter what. Let the kid go ball. 

 
So excited for Trey Lance! This couldn’t have worked out better. This is literally best case scenario. A chance at the playoffs and a game against a bad team to get Trey going

Hopefully Shanny learned a lesson in week 5.

Let’s ####### Go!!! :excited:

 
Truebluey said:
Thoughts on what a Lance start would do to the viability of Mitchell or JWJ?
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I expect Shanny to try and run the ball 40-50x in this one. On the negative side, Trey could steal a goal one TD.

Really would like to see a little drop back passing from Trey mixed in with some rollouts, but the offensive guru prob won’t be giving us a lot of that.

 
A QBs best friend is a good running game. I see Kyle calling 75% runs. That's the only way Trey will be able to get comfortable IMO.

Houston is 31st in rush yards allowed. This is the perfect game for Lance to start. I'd really like to have Mitchell back, but if not let's hope Wilson can have another big day.

 
I really hope Shanahan is developing a Lance-specific game plan and not banking on Jimmy returning.  Also hope that game plan doesn't consist of QB runs right into the teeth of the defense like it did against the Cardinals.

 
Jimmy Garoppolo won’t require surgery, will try to throw at 49ers practice

https://www.49erswebzone.com/articles/154187-jimmy-garoppolo-require-surgery-try-throw-49ers-practice/

In a bit of a surprise, Jimmy Garoppolo will try to participate in Wednesday's practice with his teammates. The San Francisco 49ers quarterback is dealing with a thumb injury. Reports stated that Garoppolo suffered an ulnar collateral ligament (UCL) tear and a chipped bone in his right thumb, which many felt made his availability for Sunday against the Houston Texans unlikely.

Head coach Kyle Shanahan said the team's training staff are working with Garoppolo to see if he can throw at practice on Wednesday, and the quarterback will not require surgery.

"The trainers are taking him out right now to see how much he can do," Shanahan said. "If he can do some, he will be limited today. If not, he won't practice, and he'll try again tomorrow."

Shanahan initially reported the injury as a thumb sprain.

"To clear that up, the reason that was worded that way was because that's the way it was worded to me," Shanahan explained. "There's three types of sprains, and he has a Grade III sprain, since I've got to give you guys more information to clear up Ian [Rapoport] and Adam's [Schefter] tweet. It is a Grade III sprain. The reason they never mentioned to me a fracture is because that really didn't have much to do with it.

"The third-degree sprain that he has on his UCL ligament, when that was ripped up, it pulled off a little fleck of his bone. So when there's a bone that has anything off of it, you can call it a fracture, you can call it a chip, you can call it something. But that really isn't what is keeping him out. It's the third-degree sprain that he has. But because it's not moving and stuff, it doesn't need surgery, and he has a chance to play this week."

Shanahan added, "I think he's feeling a lot better today than he was a few days ago."

F that. It's Trey time. 

 
Jimmy does NOT want to lose his job to Trey.

https://www.49erswebzone.com/articles/154195-49ers-texans-jimmy-garoppolo-confident-hell-able-play-sunday/

49ers-Texans: Jimmy Garoppolo ‘confident’ he’ll be able to play Sunday

Garoppolo is confident he will be out there (Sunday) keeping rookie Trey Lance sidelined.

"I played the entire game [against the Titans] with it (the injured thumb), basically," Garoppolo said. "So it's really just about being able to grip the ball, do the things I normally do, and we're going to go test those out today, see how it feels, and go from there. But yeah, I feel confident [I can play]."

This guy. 😠

 
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