fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
Ward looked like the ghost of Josh Norman for the last 58 minutes of this game
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fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
When I saw Warner get hurt at the end of the game, I thought it was a hip, IR, season ender. That would’ve been a real disaster and tonight would’ve been more to me. Him being okay has me sweating much less.
A loss next week to Cincy and I’ll start panicking a little, for now, I’m disappointed, but not panicking.
A loss next week to Cincy and I’ll start panicking a little, for now, I’m disappointed, but not panicking.
Wingnut
Footballguy
Action, not words, bud
Nick Bosa on his and the DL's struggling pass rush:
"We have a lot of really good players on the D-line and there’s obviously a lot invested in it and you have to make the plays when they’re there... I’m not sure how it went for the other three guys. I can only focus on myself and there was definitely a couple opportunities there where I could have changed the game and I need to do that with the kind of player I’m supposed to be."
Nick Bosa on his and the DL's struggling pass rush:
"We have a lot of really good players on the D-line and there’s obviously a lot invested in it and you have to make the plays when they’re there... I’m not sure how it went for the other three guys. I can only focus on myself and there was definitely a couple opportunities there where I could have changed the game and I need to do that with the kind of player I’m supposed to be."
FairWarning
Footballguy
The good thing for SF is these are easily fixable problems - mainly health. They can add before the trade deadline also.
49ers are fine. Cousins is wildly underrated by most. Vikings are a good team. Brian Flores is a great DC.
You have the most talented roster in the league with one of the best coaches. You're fine.
You have the most talented roster in the league with one of the best coaches. You're fine.
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
I thought the exact same thing last night about Cousins. Last night he made some great throws, evaded the pressure just enough.
Missed a couple in close but to me throwing from the 2-3 is tougher than the 8-10. 22 bodies all jammed into a small area.
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Wingnut
Footballguy
Perspective:
49ers were going thru defensive struggles in 2021 at this point. They'd slide to 3-5. Turned it around.
49ers were going thru defensive struggles in 2022 at this point. They were 3-4. Turned it around.
49ers are going through defensive struggles here in 2023. They're 5-2.
49ers were going thru defensive struggles in 2021 at this point. They'd slide to 3-5. Turned it around.
49ers were going thru defensive struggles in 2022 at this point. They were 3-4. Turned it around.
49ers are going through defensive struggles here in 2023. They're 5-2.
Wingnut
Footballguy
Below are Pro Football Focus' five highest-graded 49ers players on offense against the Vikings.
Below are the three lowest-graded 49ers players on offense.
Below are the five highest-graded 49ers players on defense.
Below are the three lowest-graded 49ers players on defense.
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- George Kittle, TE, 89.7, 51 snaps
- Ross Dwelley, TE, 86.6, 3 snaps
- Jauan Jennings, WR, 78.2, 39 snaps
- Aaron Banks, LG, 75.6, 53 snaps
- Jaylon Moore, LT, 74.2, 53 snaps
Below are the three lowest-graded 49ers players on offense.
- Charlie Woerner, TE, 50.6, 21 snaps
- Colton McKivitz, RT, 51.3, 53 snaps
- Spencer Burford, RG, 52.1, 53 snaps
Below are the five highest-graded 49ers players on defense.
- Fred Warner, LB, 85.4, 69 snaps
- Talanoa Hufanga, FS, 74.4, 70 snaps
- Nick Bosa, DE, 71.8, 64 snaps
- Oren Burks, LB, 69.6, 28 snaps
- Randy Gregory, ROLB, 68.2, 21 snaps
Below are the three lowest-graded 49ers players on defense.
- Clelin Ferrell, DE, 41.5, 40 snaps
- Javon Kinlaw, DT, 42.4, 25 snaps
- Drake Jackson, DE, 47.6, 15 snaps
PFF's best and worst graded 49ers players vs. Vikings, plus snap counts
The San Francisco 49ers dropped their record to 5-2 after a 22-17 loss against the Minnesota Vikings in Week 7. Today, Pro Football Focus released its grades from the game. Which Niners played well, a
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Wingnut
Footballguy
The Vikings blitzed the 49ers on 21 of their 33 dropbacks.
Per PFF, here are the pressure numbers from the OL:
Jaylon Moore - 1 pressure
Aaron Banks - 1 pressure
Jake Brendel - 1 pressure
Spencer Burford - 1 pressure
Colton McKivitz - 6 pressures and a sack
Jaylon Moore was fantastic filling in for Williams.
Per PFF, here are the pressure numbers from the OL:
Jaylon Moore - 1 pressure
Aaron Banks - 1 pressure
Jake Brendel - 1 pressure
Spencer Burford - 1 pressure
Colton McKivitz - 6 pressures and a sack
Jaylon Moore was fantastic filling in for Williams.
Wingnut
Footballguy
Until we get Deebo back, I'm not sure how we impose our will against anyone on offense. He's such a huge part of our identity and his physical, punishing style sets the tone on offense. When Deebos in the game, the offense has that dog mentality and play with an attitude. Without him, they don't feel imposing, and Purdy isn't quite as effective.
Aiyuk missed week 3 and we cruised to a then-usual 30 points. No Deebo the last 2 games and we get bullied.
Yeah the defense deserves a ton of blame too, but with Deebo, defenses have to play us different because of how physical he is. Were missing that hammer that makes defenders think twice about wanting to tackle. Maybe Mason should get more carries with Deebo out since he's the only real bruiser RB we have. CMC is tough but more a finesse guy, and Mitchell hasn't done anything and scares no one at this point.
I get that one injury shouldn't have that big of an impact on a roster like this, but Deebo is different. We don't have a replacement for what he does, and what he does is a big part of who we are. IMO hes just as important to this team as CMC and we need him back ASAP for the offense to get back on track.
The defense...that's another story. Maybe later.
Aiyuk missed week 3 and we cruised to a then-usual 30 points. No Deebo the last 2 games and we get bullied.
Yeah the defense deserves a ton of blame too, but with Deebo, defenses have to play us different because of how physical he is. Were missing that hammer that makes defenders think twice about wanting to tackle. Maybe Mason should get more carries with Deebo out since he's the only real bruiser RB we have. CMC is tough but more a finesse guy, and Mitchell hasn't done anything and scares no one at this point.
I get that one injury shouldn't have that big of an impact on a roster like this, but Deebo is different. We don't have a replacement for what he does, and what he does is a big part of who we are. IMO hes just as important to this team as CMC and we need him back ASAP for the offense to get back on track.
The defense...that's another story. Maybe later.
@Terpman22 what is funny about the 49ers being fine?
That's fantastic news with Moore.
Wingnut
Footballguy
I think when you call the 49ers roster the most talented, Eagles fans think it's funny because how dare you.
Terpman22
Footballguy
Oh its just the "most talented roster in the roster + one of the best coaches" take that I laugh at. I would argue the Eagles are probably more talented, and have a better coach. I credit Shanahan with being a GREAT playcaller, but as far as overall Head Coach, he has a lot of flaws, probably due to the fact he is so focused on playcalling. To each their own, and I'm sure we will find out in a few weeks when both teams match up.
Wingnut
Footballguy
This is just...bad.
Here were the Pass-Rush Win Rates of the three best defensive linemen on the #49ers last night in known passing situations:
Nick Bosa: 15.8%
Javon Hargrave: 6.7%
Arik Armstead: 5.8%
Just not getting enough from the Top-3 and the crew of others right now.
Wilks either isn't a good fit, or his scheme/game plans/adjustments are garbage. There's too much highly paid talent on the defense to look like a practice squad out there. Somethings gotta change.
Here were the Pass-Rush Win Rates of the three best defensive linemen on the #49ers last night in known passing situations:
Nick Bosa: 15.8%
Javon Hargrave: 6.7%
Arik Armstead: 5.8%
Just not getting enough from the Top-3 and the crew of others right now.
Wilks either isn't a good fit, or his scheme/game plans/adjustments are garbage. There's too much highly paid talent on the defense to look like a practice squad out there. Somethings gotta change.
Wingnut
Footballguy
I touched on this in a rant post from early this morning I have since deleted.
Anyone think Shanahan might have too much on his plate since McDaniel left? I really wish he'd hire a true OC to call plays, but he's too egotistical and thinks he's better at it than anyone else.
An OC could still run Kyle's game plan, and a decent number of plays are always scripted, so it's not like Kyle wouldn't still have control, or couldn't call a play here or there during the game. It seems he lets emotion get in the way when things aren't going good and makes bonehesd play calls (3 straight passes last week when they needed to eat clock?).
It might help if he had time to manage his coaches and coach up players during the game instead of focusing all of his energy on play calling. An OC could also help with game planning, and who knows, maybe they even bring some new ideas to the table and make them better, like McDaniel did.
Anyone think Shanahan might have too much on his plate since McDaniel left? I really wish he'd hire a true OC to call plays, but he's too egotistical and thinks he's better at it than anyone else.
An OC could still run Kyle's game plan, and a decent number of plays are always scripted, so it's not like Kyle wouldn't still have control, or couldn't call a play here or there during the game. It seems he lets emotion get in the way when things aren't going good and makes bonehesd play calls (3 straight passes last week when they needed to eat clock?).
It might help if he had time to manage his coaches and coach up players during the game instead of focusing all of his energy on play calling. An OC could also help with game planning, and who knows, maybe they even bring some new ideas to the table and make them better, like McDaniel did.
Thanks. 49ers with the most talented roster in the league with one of the best coaches is hardly a hot take. Good luck to your Eagles.
Wingnut
Footballguy
No. Literally the least of their problems.
Wingnut
Footballguy
How do you know? Since Shanahan was hired 7 years ago, he's aged like 15 years. Maybe he's just too stressed with his work load.
Wingnut
Footballguy
49ers' defense has a 4.9% sack rate on the season.
Only the Giants, Rams, Jaguars, Texans and Bears have a worse sack rate on the season. Don't know how that's possible.
Only the Giants, Rams, Jaguars, Texans and Bears have a worse sack rate on the season. Don't know how that's possible.
I’m sure not having another offensive genius makes life tougher but no, he still runs one of the best offenses and offensive schemes in the league.
Wingnut
Footballguy
If Wilks ain't the problem, what is?
Tweet:
On 3rd downs this season, the #49ers' rush defense has allowed teams to gain a first down 79% of the time.
That's 32nd in the NFL by a wide margin.
Overall, they're a middle-of-the-pack 3rd-down defense (21st). That was a major issue Monday -- getting off the field defensively.
Tweet:
On 3rd downs this season, the #49ers' rush defense has allowed teams to gain a first down 79% of the time.
That's 32nd in the NFL by a wide margin.
Overall, they're a middle-of-the-pack 3rd-down defense (21st). That was a major issue Monday -- getting off the field defensively.
Interesting. You think that's just random or there anything to it?
fred_1_15301
Footballguy
In fairness, before the Niners/Browns game even most Eagles fans were acknowledging the Niners were looking like the best team in football. Things change quickly in this league. No reason to think the Niners can’t get to the top again IMO. When both the Eagles and Niners are fully healthy, it’s close to a coin flip. Unfortunately it’s very unlikely both teams will be fully healthy when it matters.
efactor
Footballguy
Not sure why any 49er fan is shocked by these losses. Last year they made the NFC title game and lost to Chicago, Denver and Atlanta. It's the NFL and teams have ups and downs. Christ, the Bills lost to New England who had been getting pounded on a regular basis.
49ers aren't as good as people were claiming they were after week 5 and not as bad as some are claiming they are now.
49ers aren't as good as people were claiming they were after week 5 and not as bad as some are claiming they are now.
Football Jones
Footballguy
Speaking of who might be the best team on paper, my vote goes to Miami right now. They’re a good story, but still flying under the radar.
If they can get their OL healthy (namely Armstead), as well as the likes of Achane & Ramsey/Howard to help their D, look out.
The Fins pretty easily have the highest ceiling of any team in the NFL over the course of the next several years. Might be a year away, but maybe not.
If they can get their OL healthy (namely Armstead), as well as the likes of Achane & Ramsey/Howard to help their D, look out.
The Fins pretty easily have the highest ceiling of any team in the NFL over the course of the next several years. Might be a year away, but maybe not.
I think it’s pretty clearly the Chiefs or Eagles.
Football Jones
Footballguy
Nah. I don’t think it’s even that close.
Hurts’ continued loss of running ability is going to compound his mediocre arm talent. You can see it coming a mile away now. It’s the Cam Newton dynamic. Happens to just about all those types. KC might’ve been in the running, but Kelce is ancient for a TE & Father Time gets everyone. It’ll be a monumental loss for them, especially with their below-par WR corps.
Miami has the highest ceiling over the next several years. You can just see it coming together for them. Great HC, too.
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If only these teams had recently played each other.
Football Jones
Footballguy
I believe you’re missing some context.
Anyway, this isn’t about who won last week, it’s who has the highest ceiling over the next several years.
You said best team on paper right now.I believe you’re missing some context.
Anyway, this isn’t about who won last week, it’s who has the highest ceiling over the next several years.
Football Jones
Footballguy
This is off-topic, but Miami is going to have a top-notch FF D pretty soon. They have enough on offense to start using the vast majority of their resources on D. Not to mention they already have some nice talent, especially key positions like pass-rushers & corners.
They’re going to be playing with a lot of leads which force multiplies FF scoring. They’re a great D to target in dynasty leagues, IMO (while their value is somewhat low).
They’re going to be playing with a lot of leads which force multiplies FF scoring. They’re a great D to target in dynasty leagues, IMO (while their value is somewhat low).
Football Jones
Footballguy
I did, but they obviously have some huge injuries at the moment (thus, “on paper”).You said best team on paper right now.I believe you’re missing some context.
Anyway, this isn’t about who won last week, it’s who has the highest ceiling over the next several years.
I'd prefer the best team on the field over paper anyway.You said best team on paper right now.I believe you’re missing some context.
Anyway, this isn’t about who won last week, it’s who has the highest ceiling over the next several years.
Football Jones
Footballguy
Well, yeah, but it’s still valid to project who has the most upside in the future.I'd prefer the best team on the field over paper anyway.You said best team on paper right now.I believe you’re missing some context.
Anyway, this isn’t about who won last week, it’s who has the highest ceiling over the next several years.
Wingnut
Footballguy
It's not the losses, its the manner, mainly the defense. They're abysmal against the run, in pressures, sacks, missed tackles...they went from top 10 the past 2 years to bottom 10, and we were supposedly better coming into this season, especially up front with the addition of Hargrave.
Whether its on Kyle, Wilks, the players....its gotta get figured out. The positive is each of the last 2 years they had struggles on defense and managed to figure it out before it got out of hand. I'm not sure Wilks can or will get it fixed.
We will see next week. If we drop a third straight, we might be looking at a wild card at best.
Wingnut
Footballguy
No idea. All I know is Nov 1st can't get here fast enough.
Football Jones
Footballguy
There’s no doubt football coaches have the biggest impact on their team compared to any other sport. Maybe the 9ers made a mistake by not going in-house for the DC job?
fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
Eagles’ fans consistently troll this thread. Honestly, it’s kind of odd, but for the most part, the core group of posters in here do our best at ignoring them. For a group of fans who continually downplay SF, they sure take a lot of interest in what we say. When they won the NFCC (which I’m sure you’re aware SF played without a QB), they sure enjoyed coming in here to throw salt in the wound. Most of us did a good job of ignoring it, almost all of us do a good job keeping it cordial and acting like adults.
FWIW, Hurts does not look as good as he did last year, just my take, we’ll see how that take plays out in January, but I’ll keep it in here instead of looking for an argument in an Eagles’ thread.
fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
I think you’re panicking. Almost every title contender has a stretch of woes that they work through. I think mid season is the perfect time to do it and I agree with efactor. CMC doesn’t fumble and I think that game turns much different, Moody doesn’t miss the kick (and of all things, kicker is currently my biggest concern), good chance we’re 7-0. Honestly, I wouldn’t mind Moody imploding and having them bring Robbie back. Much more comfortable from like 47-48 and in with him. Outside of kicker, Wilks has to be on the hot seat. I’d imagine Bosa turns on the gas at some point in the next few weeks. He’s a beast and at some point, hopefully he starts catching criticism to ignite the flame. Pretty sick of the PFF great ratings of him. He’s clearly not playing to his top abilities this season. Regardless, I’d say relax. It’ll take them dropping to 5-4 for me to start panicking.
And another bright spot, we’re pretty healthy, some minor dings here and there, but nothing catastrophic, no season enders. We get into Jan with a healthy CMC, Bosa, Deebo, Warner, Greenlaw, Trent, and Purdy I wouldn’t care what their record is heading in.
fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
To follow up on Moody, it really is still one of the biggest head scratchers for me. You know your goal is SB this season, and it’s not like you’re the Texans, you’re a very real contender… You're willing to pick up some extra touchbacks and get rid of the vet who you trust to take the game winning kick for a rookie? I mean come on, it’s just a terrible personnel decision, imo.
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I dont hate the thinking - they are also saving $5-6 million - but to also burn a premium draft pick on this strategy with other gaping holes on the roster was what made it insane IMO.
fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
I’m 10mm x happier with a vet I trust at kicker. You’re a contender you need a guy you know can handle the pressure. You don’t know what you have in a rookie until it’s too late. Could be good, could be bad, why roll the dice?
babydemon90
Footballguy
Hurts and Purdy are having the same issue, defenses are playing them different now that they have tape. Time will tell if they both can adjust and learn to beat the variety of defenses. Purdy's still just a 2nd year player so I wouldn't sweat it too much, I mean Trevor Lawrence had 0 TD's and 2 picks last year in a loss to the 3-13 Texans. Crap games happen with young QB's.
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