Wingnut
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Worthless right now.
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I mean they grabbed two guys off the street who basically have given them the same level of performance.
efactor
Footballguy
Doesn’t make Moody “worthless”
Again, I didn’t like using those picks on kickers but Moody has been good this year.
Wingnut
Footballguy
Don't forget Pressley Harvin who looked great in preseason when Wishnowski was out.
efactor
Footballguy
So are Aiyuk and CMC if you use that definition of “worthless”
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Deebo was hospitalized with fluid in his lungs.
He has pneumonia.
So the 49ers even have a training staff?
He has pneumonia.
So the 49ers even have a training staff?
Wingnut
Footballguy
No, because skill position players are worth way more than kickers. You can't get a guy from the waiver wire that can step in and immediately replace either of those guys. Kickers need about 5 minutes after they're signed to be game ready. So far we haven't missed a beat without Moody.
Anyway, it looks like we're in the market for a punter. Should have never let Pinion go, he's been solid and durable for about a decade.
Wingnut
Footballguy
Julian Edelman was trashing Deebo today for practicing all week, playing a few snaps, and then sitting out in a game this big, like Deebo didn't want to play or something.
efactor
Footballguy
Again, that doesn’t make him worthless. He has been good this year. Kickers are important.
You’re such a whiner. No wonder that name sticks for 49er fans.
Wingnut
Footballguy
Dude, if you don't like a post, don't respond. I get that being behind a keyboard makes you feel tough and all, but name calling because you disagree with an opinion just makes you look like a tool. Move along now.
efactor
Footballguy
Geezzzzz. Are you that emotionally fragile when someone calls you a whiner because that's all you do that you get offended? Dude
Wingnut
Footballguy
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Was just looking at pneumonia recovery time.Barrows:
Shanahan said he's "not sure if we'll get (Deebo) back this week or not." He said rookies Ricky Pearsall and Jacob Cowing are bound to have big roles Sunday against the Cowboys.
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No choice really, but they need playing time. Bell needs to stay on the bench.
2-4 weeks. Some symptoms won’t clear for 6.
efactor
Footballguy
He looked in really bad shape when they were taking him to the locker room. Thought he might start throwing up before he made it in.Was just looking at pneumonia recovery time.Barrows:
Shanahan said he's "not sure if we'll get (Deebo) back this week or not." He said rookies Ricky Pearsall and Jacob Cowing are bound to have big roles Sunday against the Cowboys.
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No choice really, but they need playing time. Bell needs to stay on the bench.
2-4 weeks. Some symptoms won’t clear for 6.
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
Doesn’t make Moody “worthless”
Again, I didn’t like using those picks on kickers but Moody has been good this year.
Moody is a good kicker. Third round good? No.
Wingnut
Footballguy
After Sunday, our next game is Nov 10th in Tampa, 3 weeks away. I think he will be fine by then. I had pneumonia once and it was about 2 weeks before I felt normal-ish.Was just looking at pneumonia recovery time.Barrows:
Shanahan said he's "not sure if we'll get (Deebo) back this week or not." He said rookies Ricky Pearsall and Jacob Cowing are bound to have big roles Sunday against the Cowboys.
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No choice really, but they need playing time. Bell needs to stay on the bench.
2-4 weeks. Some symptoms won’t clear for 6.
efactor
Footballguy
No argument there. I was pissed on both their 3rd rounders after Brown last year. Latu was even worse. And even more pissed when they took Wish in the 4th.Doesn’t make Moody “worthless”
Again, I didn’t like using those picks on kickers but Moody has been good this year.
Moody is a good kicker. Third round good? No.
But the fact is, he's been good this year, so to call him "worthless" is off base.
Wingnut
Footballguy
49ers head coach Kyle Shanahan held a conference call with the media on Monday, offering injury updates on Brandon Aiyuk, Deebo Samuel, Christian McCaffrey, and several others the day after the team's Week 7 loss to the Chiefs.
YouTube audio link: https://youtu.be/EgTQ2bFQ3TY?si=K4HrAfOApQPM8jJC
YouTube audio link: https://youtu.be/EgTQ2bFQ3TY?si=K4HrAfOApQPM8jJC
It makes him pretty close to replacement levelDoesn’t make Moody “worthless”
Again, I didn’t like using those picks on kickers but Moody has been good this year.
rockaction
Footballguy
Wow. Deebo stuff is alarming. Let's wish a speedy recovery.
FiredMartz
Footballguy
I hope so..............
Wingnut
Footballguy
Well I hope your entire team gets gonorrhea.......
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Jauan Jennings...I looked up his numbers, never had much more than 400 yds in a season, granted he was a 7th Rd pick and never asked to catch a lot of balls
What are the odds he is productive the rest of the season? He's never really been assigned a starter, maybe it's too much.
Pearsall is an amazing story, thought I read he was shot in the chest, seems like a miracle he's still here
I hate to say it like this but at 3-4 and with mounting injuries, it's getting late...early for the Niners, much earlier than we are accustomed to as NFL fans
Rams, Cards and Seahawks are not that scary, hang in there and you still might scrape 9-10 wins and take the Division
What are the odds he is productive the rest of the season? He's never really been assigned a starter, maybe it's too much.
Pearsall is an amazing story, thought I read he was shot in the chest, seems like a miracle he's still here
I hate to say it like this but at 3-4 and with mounting injuries, it's getting late...early for the Niners, much earlier than we are accustomed to as NFL fans
Rams, Cards and Seahawks are not that scary, hang in there and you still might scrape 9-10 wins and take the Division
Terpman22
Footballguy
I think Jennings can be really productive, FF-wise at least. Seems he and Purdy really have chemistry. Makes sense. As far as Pearsall, it was encouraging to see him get in and at least get his feet wet. I think both will be somewhat reliable wr3/4 types while they are in the starting lineup.
As far as real life, Niners, Super Bowl contenders, etc. They are still in it. The NFC is weird this year, but the Niners have a defense that is built for playoff football and you could be getting all the right guys healthy at the last 1/3 part of the season to make a run. Should be interesting to watch it all play out.
Wingnut
Footballguy
Its not a coincidence the 49ers drafted mostly older rookies (23-24 yrs old) in the draft this year. They wanted players with more experience and who might be more "pro ready".
Puni, Green, Mustapha, Pearsall and Cowing are all gonna have significant roles moving forward, and we're gonna need them to be good if this season is to be salvaged.
Puni, Green, Mustapha, Pearsall and Cowing are all gonna have significant roles moving forward, and we're gonna need them to be good if this season is to be salvaged.
General Malaise
Footballguy
As Mike Sando said, the trade for Trey Lance is really biting this team in the arse now.
The 49ers will still beat the pants off Dallas, though.
The 49ers will still beat the pants off Dallas, though.
Wingnut
Footballguy
Not really, that was 3 years ago and we got a QB in the next draft anyway.
Yes, they could have used those draft picks they gave up, but they still made it to a SB and 3 NFCCG appearances since drafting Lance. injuries are killing this team, not the draft capital they gave up.
The crazy thing is Lance is just 24 years old 3 years after being drafted.
I could argue the Lance thing didn't hurt them that badly because they hit on Purdy and the odds are they probably would have only got one decent starter with the other two picks, which wouldn't make or break this team. But they have dealt a lot of midround compensation over the years, either trading around in the draft and for McCaffrey and other veterans. And the lack of OL/DL/LB depth has suffered for it.
Wingnut
Footballguy
He should be fine, and going forward I see him getting a good amount of targets.
He's either WR2 or WR1a right now, definitely worth a pickup IMO, especially with Deebo getting hurt all the time and nothing but Conley and rookies behind him on the depth chart.
Wingnut
Footballguy
Deebo released from hospital after battle with pneumomia
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49ers WR Deebo Samuel released from hospital after battle with pneumonia
According to multiple reports, San Francisco 49ers wide receiver Deebo Samuel has been released from the hospital. The veteran played only a few snaps on...
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Wingnut
Footballguy
Nicholas McGee:
49ers All-22 observations, Week 7 vs. Chiefs (Offense):
Not doing a clip thread as it's too time consuming for various reasons.
As many people have already mentioned, the Chiefs did excellent job of drawing up blitzes that got rushers free and significantly muddied things up for Purdy with their play in coverage. The 49ers really struggled to separate and in the first half before he got hurt it felt like there was constantly a double on Aiyuk to take him away.
That said, this was a bad, bad Purdy game, as the career-low passer rating illustrates.
I still don't feel like Shanahan is drawing up plays with enough answers in the red zone, but that doesn't excuse Purdy's performance. The hesitancy was back, in large part as a result of what the Chiefs were doing, but the decision-making he displayed was extremely poor.
The two interceptions that were forced into coverage were egregious, but the most frustrating elements of his game were the lack of deep accuracy and his continued struggles getting to his checkdown when hot. The deep ball thrown behind Cowing can partially be attributed to pocket push taking away his platform, the one to Kittle in the first half cannot. Has to be better.
I can't speak to the protection plan to handle Spagnuolo's blitzes, but, in terms of *individual pass blocking*, the offensive line play is reflective of the low pressure numbers. Felt Dominick Puni was the best of the bunch, once again hugely impressive in pass pro and got better as the game went on in run blocking when the 49ers finally started to find some joy.
Yes there was the McKivitz vs. Karlaftis rep everyone has already shared and he got beat a couple times but, on the whole, the passing game struggles were more a product of Purdy than the OL, at least in my opinion.
Run blocking is a different story. The OL emphatically lost the physical battle in the run game even if it did get better as the game went on. A lot of credit to the Chiefs, and particularly their linebackers, whose aggressiveness and speed in coming downhill and in chasing to the sideline made it very difficult on inside runs and when the 49ers tried to get around the edge.
Some WR notes. Didn't feel like Pearsall looked very explosive, which is understandable for his first game back, but he definitely grew into the game. Had some nice releases utilising the head fakes I've brought up in the past. Also showed a willingness to do work in the blocking game, confident he'll get better.
They simply must play Jacob Cowing. Obviously a lot hinges on how Deebo is feeling, but they can't carry on throwing Ronnie Bell and Chris Conley out there when they have a guy with Cowing's combination of route-running ability and speed. The 49ers have lost one of the main big-play threats in Aiyuk. Cowing is good enough to replace some of that explosive play production.
In short, the 49ers aren't going to face a defense who can do what the Chiefs did so effectively every week, but it was a troubling Purdy performance. Having Deebo back, if he's ok to go in Week 8, will help, but they desperately need the extra options McCaffrey provides them. Fingers crossed for Week 10.
49ers All-22 observations, Week 7 vs. Chiefs (Offense):
Not doing a clip thread as it's too time consuming for various reasons.
As many people have already mentioned, the Chiefs did excellent job of drawing up blitzes that got rushers free and significantly muddied things up for Purdy with their play in coverage. The 49ers really struggled to separate and in the first half before he got hurt it felt like there was constantly a double on Aiyuk to take him away.
That said, this was a bad, bad Purdy game, as the career-low passer rating illustrates.
I still don't feel like Shanahan is drawing up plays with enough answers in the red zone, but that doesn't excuse Purdy's performance. The hesitancy was back, in large part as a result of what the Chiefs were doing, but the decision-making he displayed was extremely poor.
The two interceptions that were forced into coverage were egregious, but the most frustrating elements of his game were the lack of deep accuracy and his continued struggles getting to his checkdown when hot. The deep ball thrown behind Cowing can partially be attributed to pocket push taking away his platform, the one to Kittle in the first half cannot. Has to be better.
I can't speak to the protection plan to handle Spagnuolo's blitzes, but, in terms of *individual pass blocking*, the offensive line play is reflective of the low pressure numbers. Felt Dominick Puni was the best of the bunch, once again hugely impressive in pass pro and got better as the game went on in run blocking when the 49ers finally started to find some joy.
Yes there was the McKivitz vs. Karlaftis rep everyone has already shared and he got beat a couple times but, on the whole, the passing game struggles were more a product of Purdy than the OL, at least in my opinion.
Run blocking is a different story. The OL emphatically lost the physical battle in the run game even if it did get better as the game went on. A lot of credit to the Chiefs, and particularly their linebackers, whose aggressiveness and speed in coming downhill and in chasing to the sideline made it very difficult on inside runs and when the 49ers tried to get around the edge.
Some WR notes. Didn't feel like Pearsall looked very explosive, which is understandable for his first game back, but he definitely grew into the game. Had some nice releases utilising the head fakes I've brought up in the past. Also showed a willingness to do work in the blocking game, confident he'll get better.
They simply must play Jacob Cowing. Obviously a lot hinges on how Deebo is feeling, but they can't carry on throwing Ronnie Bell and Chris Conley out there when they have a guy with Cowing's combination of route-running ability and speed. The 49ers have lost one of the main big-play threats in Aiyuk. Cowing is good enough to replace some of that explosive play production.
In short, the 49ers aren't going to face a defense who can do what the Chiefs did so effectively every week, but it was a troubling Purdy performance. Having Deebo back, if he's ok to go in Week 8, will help, but they desperately need the extra options McCaffrey provides them. Fingers crossed for Week 10.
Wingnut
Footballguy
We will never have a good OL under Kyle, he just doesn't seem to care.
49ers OL pass-block efficiency (PFF) percentile ranks vs other linemen at respective positions (meaning 50 is average).
This season:
LT Trent Williams: 73
LG Aaron Banks: 27
C Jake Brendel: 45
RG Dominick Puni: 57
RT Colton McKivitz: 36
Last season:
LT Trent Williams: 96
LG Aaron Banks: 33
C Jake Brendel: 32
RG Spencer Burford: 2
RT Colton McKivitz: 4
This a percentile measurement. So if you look at Burford and McKivitz last season, they ranked better than only 2 and 4 percent of other linemen at those positions. Trent ranked better than 96% of left tackles last season, and so far this season, he's only better than 73% of LTs.
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49ers OL pass-block efficiency (PFF) percentile ranks vs other linemen at respective positions (meaning 50 is average).
This season:
LT Trent Williams: 73
LG Aaron Banks: 27
C Jake Brendel: 45
RG Dominick Puni: 57
RT Colton McKivitz: 36
Last season:
LT Trent Williams: 96
LG Aaron Banks: 33
C Jake Brendel: 32
RG Spencer Burford: 2
RT Colton McKivitz: 4
This a percentile measurement. So if you look at Burford and McKivitz last season, they ranked better than only 2 and 4 percent of other linemen at those positions. Trent ranked better than 96% of left tackles last season, and so far this season, he's only better than 73% of LTs.
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Wingnut
Footballguy
Deebo, Jennings, Kittle to miss Wednesdays pracrice
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49ers' Deebo Samuel, Jauan Jennings, and George Kittle to miss Wednesday's practice
San Francisco 49ers head coach Kyle Shanahan spoke to reporters ahead of Wednesday's practice as the team gears up for their primetime matchup against the...
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Wingnut
Footballguy
49ers participation report:
DNP - DT Kevin Givens (groin), WR Jauan Jennings (hip), TE George Kittle (foot), K Jake Moody (ankle), S George Odum (knee), WR Deebo Samuel (illness, wrist), OT Trent Williams (vet day)
Limited - DE Nick Bosa (elbow), RB Jordan Mason (shoulder), WR Chris Conley (ankle)
DNP - DT Kevin Givens (groin), WR Jauan Jennings (hip), TE George Kittle (foot), K Jake Moody (ankle), S George Odum (knee), WR Deebo Samuel (illness, wrist), OT Trent Williams (vet day)
Limited - DE Nick Bosa (elbow), RB Jordan Mason (shoulder), WR Chris Conley (ankle)
Wingnut
Footballguy
Explosive Plays through Wk 7
SF leads the NFL in explosive offensive pass plays (20+ yds) with 26 and ranks 5th overall in total explosive plays. Dallas is 32nd.
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Defense: Explosive Plays allowed
SF ranks 8th with 36 explosive plays allowed. Dallas is 21st with 43.
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SF leads the NFL in explosive offensive pass plays (20+ yds) with 26 and ranks 5th overall in total explosive plays. Dallas is 32nd.
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Defense: Explosive Plays allowed
SF ranks 8th with 36 explosive plays allowed. Dallas is 21st with 43.
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Wingnut
Footballguy
The 49ers injury report vs the Cowboys:
Questionable: George Kittle (foot), George Odum, Deommodore Lenoir (illness), and Deebo Samuel (wrist, illness)
Out: Jauan Jennings (hip), Kevin Givens (groin) and Jake Moody (ankle)
* Lenoir is sick today so he's listed as questionable on the report. I wouldn't worry about him playing unless he caught Deebos pneumonia
* Deebo and Kittle are likely good to go
Questionable: George Kittle (foot), George Odum, Deommodore Lenoir (illness), and Deebo Samuel (wrist, illness)
Out: Jauan Jennings (hip), Kevin Givens (groin) and Jake Moody (ankle)
* Lenoir is sick today so he's listed as questionable on the report. I wouldn't worry about him playing unless he caught Deebos pneumonia
* Deebo and Kittle are likely good to go
Desert_Power
Footballguy
The heck happened to Jennings
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