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Save your dog or a stranger (1 Viewer)

If you could only save one, would you save a stranger or your dog?

  • I have had or currently have a dog, and would save the dog

    Votes: 52 60.5%

  • I have had or currently have a dog, and would save the stranger

    Votes: 27 31.4%

  • I have never had a dog, and would save the dog

    Votes: 8 9.3%

  • I have never had a dog, and would save the stranger

    Votes: 8 9.3%
  • Total voters
    86
If I ever find myself in a drowning situation, I really hope there isn't a dog drowning beside me to completely ruin my chances of being saved. 

 
msudaisy26 said:
I feel bad for the people that would save their dog because they think people in general are just horrible. 
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i think its more how unpredictable people can be in regards to motivation...dogs dont try to find some way to screw you over...if all people were decent then it would be a different story...even your own family members are capable of being manipulative jerks ...at least with my dog i know what im getting...unrelenting loyalty...thats where i want to focus my energy on

 
BustedKnuckles said:
i think its more how unpredictable people can be in regards to motivation...dogs dont try to find some way to screw you over...if all people were decent then it would be a different story...even your own family members are capable of being manipulative jerks ...at least with my dog i know what im getting...unrelenting loyalty...thats where i want to focus my energy on
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Until the day they aren't loyal. Maybe it is just me, but I would rather get screwed over many times and find a few good people along the way. 

 
I guess another good question would be:  If I was drowning who is more likely to try an save me, my dog or a stranger?

 
BustedKnuckles said:
i think its more how unpredictable people can be in regards to motivation...dogs dont try to find some way to screw you over...if all people were decent then it would be a different story...even your own family members are capable of being manipulative jerks ...at least with my dog i know what im getting...unrelenting loyalty...thats where i want to focus my energy on
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Yes dogs are very loyal but they are also stupid.  I bet Hitler's dog was very loyal.  As long as you don't mistreat your dog and feed them they will love you forever.  

 
Animal who has limited mental capacity who I've imprisoned and control every aspect of its life who would eat my rotting carcass if given the option and really only loves me because I'm its source of food.

vs.

Another human being of possibly equal to greater intelligence and free will who could be loved by many, have children and do something great with their life.

Man, I hope the majority of you are joking...and I'm sure some are, but I fear that many aren't.

 
Don't Noonan said:
Apparently the majority of fbgs would rather kill a human than a dog
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in an impossible situation, yes...im choosing the love of my dog / best friend over the uncertainty of a complete stranger.....i cant speak for anyone else but my dog brings me much happiness...i kill my dog...the stranger says ''thank buddy'' and walks away forever ...i just killed my best friend for what?

 
Jayrod said:
Animal who has limited mental capacity who I've imprisoned and control every aspect of its life who would eat my rotting carcass if given the option and really only loves me because I'm its source of food.

vs.

Another human being of possibly equal to greater intelligence and free will who could be loved by many, have children and do something great with their life.

Man, I hope the majority of you are joking...and I'm sure some are, but I fear that many aren't.
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you either need to do some research...or get a dog and put as much love into the dog as the dog will into you....you really believe your dog only wants food from you ?????? now i think its YOU who must be joking

 
FatUncleJerryBuss said:
I guess another good question would be:  If I was drowning who is more likely to try an save me, my dog or a stranger?
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Already sort of brought this up in the other thread.  Scenario: Some rando jumps me while I'm walking my dog down the street.  Stranger who just passed us going the other direction is within a light jog (say, less than 10 yards) in order to come to my aid.  Which one is more likely to try and tear into the guy coming at me? 

Even if the stranger might help, I KNOW my dog will.  No guess work involved.  I already know with 100% certainty my dog would have his teeth sunk into the perp before the stranger even had a chance to decide on what he'd be willing to do.  I'm extending that same courtesy to my dog, whom I love more than a stranger.  If he's in danger, he's getting my help if I can give it to him.  This is as basic as it gets.

 
Jayrod said:
who would eat my rotting carcass if given the option and really only loves me because I'm its source of food.
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We're talking about dogs.  Not cats.

who I've imprisoned and control every aspect of its life
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:lmao:

Another human being of possibly equal to greater intelligence and free will who could be loved by many, have children and do something great with their life.
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Well, my dog has over 100 followers on his Instagram account (and may have kids I don't know about, come to think of it).  What's this rando ever done? :)

 
Jayrod said:
Animal who has limited mental capacity who I've imprisoned and control every aspect of its life who would eat my rotting carcass if given the option and really only loves me because I'm its source of food.

vs.

Another human being of possibly equal to greater intelligence and free will who could be loved by many, have children and do something great with their life.

Man, I hope the majority of you are joking...and I'm sure some are, but I fear that many aren't.
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did you know its been scientifically proven that when a dog looks into his owners eyes his brain releases the same chemical as we have when we fall in love and look at the person we love 

 
Jayrod said:
Animal who has limited mental capacity who I've imprisoned and control every aspect of its life who would eat my rotting carcass if given the option and really only loves me because I'm its source of food.

vs.

Another human being of possibly equal to greater intelligence and free will who could be loved by many, have children and do something great with their life.

Man, I hope the majority of you are joking...and I'm sure some are, but I fear that many aren't.
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:lmao:

 
BustedKnuckles said:
did you know its been scientifically proven that when a dog looks into his owners eyes his brain releases the same chemical as we have when we fall in love and look at the person we love 
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Pretty sure the individual who posted that is the person who thinks/thought it was a-okay and normal to chain your dog to a tree for the entirety of its existence.  My notebook may be off though.

 
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5-ish Finkle said:
Pretty sure the individual who posted that is the person who thinks/thought it was a-okay and normal to chain your dog to a tree for the entirety of its existence.  My notebook may be off though.
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Incorrect.

I thought it was OK to leave a dog outside in a large fenced in back yard for the entirety of its existence as was the case during my childhood.  I was incorrect, admitted my obvious moral failings, and now have a wonderful dog that lives with us in our home now and is lovingly cared for by every member of our family.

 
BustedKnuckles said:
you either need to do some research...or get a dog and put as much love into the dog as the dog will into you....you really believe your dog only wants food from you ?????? now i think its YOU who must be joking
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I was somewhat joking (like I hope most of the human killers are).  But, I think there is some truth to what I said.  You can't deny that we essentially imprison our dogs, and that the majority of their affection is their recognition of our dominance.  However, I don't doubt that their affection is genuine and strong and that the bonds we form with them are as strong as our bonds with humans.

 
gotta say, anyone dismissing the dog option as folderol have apparently not been privvy to the same kinda dog owners that i have   :shrug:

now, i've never owned a dog, never will, but ... i'd be willing to venture a guess of 1/3 of the owners that i do know as choosing their pooch over the stranger (and that might be lowballin')

folks dig their pets - some even more than their families.  

ETA: being here my whole life has probably exposed me to a more misanthropic lot than most, but, still ... i stand by the above.

 
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Jayrod said:
I was somewhat joking (like I hope most of the human killers are).  But, I think there is some truth to what I said.  You can't deny that we essentially imprison our dogs, and that the majority of their affection is their recognition of our dominance.  However, I don't doubt that their affection is genuine and strong and that the bonds we form with them are as strong as our bonds with humans.
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Having a dog is like having a child...it needs to be taken care of for its own good...and if its done with love and caring that dog wont ever feel imprisoned...that dog will live to only be by your side...if that means never leaving the house then he wouldnt even care as long as you were there with him/her....yes they see you as the provider of one of its few necessities...food and water....but providing that just makes the bond even greater....my dog does not leave my side ...ever...while im home or if i bring him out with me ...he loves to sleep on my lap and just hang out and lay next to me while chewing his favorite whatever...he kisses my face all the time and i dont have to rub food on my face to get him to show affection...they even become very protective of you...they dont protect just anyone ...so thats for a reason...they truly do care for and need us...i think people who dont understand that have either had breeds that are so aloof that they dont act like they care about anything but eating...but i would say its because that person sees a dog as just that ...a dog...a lower level animal that is far inferior to themselves so they treat that animal as such ...they are missing out on an opportunity to experience something far greater  ...they are missing out on what absolute love and loyalty feels like ...im sorry but even human kids will treat you with disdain and disrespect...scream at you and call you names ...not all kids but my point is humans dont have that loyalty that a dog has...i always say (kidding of course ) ''Name  one person ...just one that you know that would be so loyal that they would lay at your feet even while you`re on the toilet taking a dump''...the answer is none ..only a pet who loves you  would do that ...and its just you they would do that with...never just a stranger 

 
BustedKnuckles said:
Having a dog is like having a child...it needs to be taken care of for its own good...and if its done with love and caring that dog wont ever feel imprisoned...that dog will live to only be by your side...if that means never leaving the house then he wouldnt even care as long as you were there with him/her....yes they see you as the provider of one of its few necessities...food and water....but providing that just makes the bond even greater....my dog does not leave my side ...ever...while im home or if i bring him out with me ...he loves to sleep on my lap and just hang out and lay next to me while chewing his favorite whatever...he kisses my face all the time and i dont have to rub food on my face to get him to show affection...they even become very protective of you...they dont protect just anyone ...so thats for a reason...they truly do care for and need us...i think people who dont understand that have either had breeds that are so aloof that they dont act like they care about anything but eating...but i would say its because that person sees a dog as just that ...a dog...a lower level animal that is far inferior to themselves so they treat that animal as such ...they are missing out on an opportunity to experience something far greater  ...they are missing out on what absolute love and loyalty feels like ...im sorry but even human kids will treat you with disdain and disrespect...scream at you and call you names ...not all kids but my point is humans dont have that loyalty that a dog has...i always say (kidding of course ) ''Name  one person ...just one that you know that would be so loyal that they would lay at your feet even while you`re on the toilet taking a dump''...the answer is none ..only a pet who loves you  would do that ...and its just you they would do that with...never just a stranger 
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What you are describing is worship.  And I get all that and how it is appealing.  I have a very special bond with our dog.  He goes bananas every time I walk in the door and will follow me around for the vast majority of the time I'm home.

But I also understand the relationship for what it is, he worships me because our family is all he knows and I'm the alpha male in the house.  I treat him well, pet him, walk him, give him treats, sneak table scraps to him and love on him often.  But I don't expect anything from him other than not to tear the house up and not attack people. It is a relationship that pales in comparison to my wife, children, friends and even co-workers.  Without some measure of equality, dialogue and mutual respect in a relationship, how can you compare that to a relationship with a human?  Relationships with humans are vastly more complex and therefore, when done well, vastly superior to relationships with dogs.  The problem is some of us only have relationships with humans that aren't done well and we would prefer the worship of the dog to the anger, frustration and pain from our relationships with humans.  

It's not that I'm hating on dogs, its that I'm valuing people over dogs.  I can understand why others think otherwise, but I think it is an unhealthy way to think.

 
Jayrod said:
What you are describing is worship.  And I get all that and how it is appealing.  I have a very special bond with our dog.  He goes bananas every time I walk in the door and will follow me around for the vast majority of the time I'm home.

But I also understand the relationship for what it is, he worships me because our family is all he knows and I'm the alpha male in the house.  I treat him well, pet him, walk him, give him treats, sneak table scraps to him and love on him often.  But I don't expect anything from him other than not to tear the house up and not attack people. It is a relationship that pales in comparison to my wife, children, friends and even co-workers.  Without some measure of equality, dialogue and mutual respect in a relationship, how can you compare that to a relationship with a human?  Relationships with humans are vastly more complex and therefore, when done well, vastly superior to relationships with dogs.  The problem is some of us only have relationships with humans that aren't done well and we would prefer the worship of the dog to the anger, frustration and pain from our relationships with humans.  

It's not that I'm hating on dogs, its that I'm valuing people over dogs.  I can understand why others think otherwise, but I think it is an unhealthy way to think.
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well i guess if you have never been let down ...or screwed over by humans than i can see why they would be content not having the companionship of a creature that has never let you down or screwed you over and never will .....but the original scenario revolves around a total stranger...not family members  or people you love....so yes its easier to pick my dog over a stranger...over immediate family or a great friend  ? not such an easy decision 

 
Jayrod said:
I was somewhat joking (like I hope most of the human killers are).  But, I think there is some truth to what I said.  You can't deny that we essentially imprison our dogs, and that the majority of their affection is their recognition of our dominance.  However, I don't doubt that their affection is genuine and strong and that the bonds we form with them are as strong as our bonds with humans.
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You don't know much about dogs.  I have had the most submissive dog and now unfortunately a crazy dominate dog.   They all love the same.  My wife wasn't home last night and my dog would not stop hitting the bedroom door until I took her into the rooms the were closed to she could be sure my wife wasn't in the house.   But I guess I was showing my dominance so that is why she cared where my wife was. 

 
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BustedKnuckles said:
well i guess if you have never been let down ...or screwed over by humans than i can see why they would be content not having the companionship of a creature that has never let you down or screwed you over and never will .....but the original scenario revolves around a total stranger...not family members  or people you love....so yes its easier to pick my dog over a stranger...over immediate family or a great friend  ? not such an easy decision 
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Lol at not such an easy decision over an immediate family member or great friend.  If you are seriously considering saving your dog over an immediate family member or great friend that is amazing.  

 
Jayrod said:
What you are describing is worship.  And I get all that and how it is appealing.  I have a very special bond with our dog.  He goes bananas every time I walk in the door and will follow me around for the vast majority of the time I'm home.

But I also understand the relationship for what it is, he worships me because our family is all he knows and I'm the alpha male in the house.  I treat him well, pet him, walk him, give him treats, sneak table scraps to him and love on him often.  But I don't expect anything from him other than not to tear the house up and not attack people. It is a relationship that pales in comparison to my wife, children, friends and even co-workers.  Without some measure of equality, dialogue and mutual respect in a relationship, how can you compare that to a relationship with a human?  Relationships with humans are vastly more complex and therefore, when done well, vastly superior to relationships with dogs.  The problem is some of us only have relationships with humans that aren't done well and we would prefer the worship of the dog to the anger, frustration and pain from our relationships with humans.  

It's not that I'm hating on dogs, its that I'm valuing people over dogs.  I can understand why others think otherwise, but I think it is an unhealthy way to think.
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Well said.  I have owned dogs my entire life, great companions and loyal as can be.  However, there is no comparison between the life of a human and a dog.  

 
FatUncleJerryBuss said:
You don't know much about dogs.  I have had the most submissive dog and now unfortunately a crazy dominate dog.   They all love the same.  My wife wasn't home last night and my dog would not stop hitting the bedroom door until I took her into the rooms the were closed to she could be sure my wife wasn't in the house.   But I guess I was showing my dominance so that is why she cared where my wife was. 
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:rolleyes:     Disagreement <> ignorance.  Sometimes it is, but not always.  I have a relationship with a dog right now that is every bit as deep as what is being described in your post.  I just interpret it differently.

And since you don't seem to realize it, let me point out a few things:  you had to open the doors for your dog.  You didn't run and get your wife and bring her home for the dog.  Your wife left and came back as she saw fit and the dog didn't get to go with her.  You controlled what she could and couldn't do.  Sure you gave in a bit to the dog's wishes, but your dominance was absolutely on display in this scenario, she only got to go where you allowed her to go.  Until you let the dog run around when and where it wants and let it decide what to eat and when and where to go and when, you are asserting dominance over it.  It's not meant to be a slight or insult or infer that dogs aren't great companions.  We do the same thing for our children, but eventually they grow up and become our peers.  Most people give a 6 year old child more freedom than they give an adult dog.

 
BustedKnuckles said:
well i guess if you have never been let down ...or screwed over by humans than i can see why they would be content not having the companionship of a creature that has never let you down or screwed you over and never will .....but the original scenario revolves around a total stranger...not family members  or people you love....so yes its easier to pick my dog over a stranger...over immediate family or a great friend  ? not such an easy decision 
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:lmao:

Right.  I have a whole thread in here on a psychopath that has been stalking me for several years now for no reason at all just because he is a jackass.  I've had friends stab me in the back and family members shun me.  I've lived among other humans for 39 years now.

I've also cried over a family dog that died.  I get the love, I honestly do.

I still save every single human I meet, even the worst of them, over any and every dog in the world, including my beloved pet, Moose.

Frankly, I find any other position appalling, but then again, I'm on the "wrong side" of abortion according to most of our society.  Heck, there are people around this forum who honestly believe that "thinning the herd" of humanity would be a great idea.  I just hope the value of the lives of those I care about are never weighed by some of the people in this forum.

 
msudaisy26 said:
I feel bad for the people that would save their dog because they think people in general are just horrible. 
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or they love their dog and made a commitment to take care of him. It's surely not an easy choice. Many people think of their dog as part of their family.

Would you save your 85 year old grandmother over a 27 year old stranger? I know that's a totally different scenario - but some of the arguments are parallel.

 
Jayrod said:
Animal who has limited mental capacity who I've imprisoned and control every aspect of its life who would eat my rotting carcass if given the option and really only loves me because I'm its source of food.
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that's sad if you really believe that. So do children only love their parents because they feed them?

 
non-zero chance the stranger is a murderer. and will murder again if saved.

My dog would not hurt a flea.

Percentage play is to take the stranger out, you are doing the world a favor.

 
Sinn Fein said:
non-zero chance the stranger is a murderer. and will murder again if saved.

My dog would not hurt a flea.

Percentage play is to take the stranger out, you are doing the world a favor.
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Zero chance the dog could invent a cure for cancer.  Maybe the stranger could.  Taking out the dog only sucks for you, but sadly most folks answering on here are pretty selfish.

 
Don't Noonan said:
Zero chance the dog could invent a cure for cancer.  Maybe the stranger could.  Taking out the dog only sucks for you, but sadly most folks answering on here are pretty selfish.
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Dog could have rare gene that unlocks the code to curing cancer.  No reason to risk that for some stranger.

 
Sinn Fein said:
Dog could have rare gene that unlocks the code to curing cancer.  No reason to risk that for some stranger.
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You do realize that finding a cure for cancer may end up saving some human strangers you don't know.  They could be horrible human beings.  Are you okay with that?  Could you live with yourself after your dog ends up saving this creeps life?

 
Don't Noonan said:
Zero chance the dog could invent a cure for cancer.  Maybe the stranger could.  Taking out the dog only sucks for you, but sadly most folks answering on here are pretty selfish.
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i feel sorry for any dog that ends up with you...do the dogs out there a favor...never own one

 
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BustedKnuckles said:
you`re one of those ''it`s just a dog '' people ...those people should never own a dog...its not ignorant to speak the truth
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No I am not.  I have stated I have owned dogs and care deeply for them my entire life.  We just see things differently and it is very interesting to me.

 
Don't Noonan said:
No I am not.  I have stated I have owned dogs and care deeply for them my entire life.  We just see things differently and it is very interesting to me.
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ok.....sorry i labeled you...its a silly hypothesis to begin with as no person really knows how they would react to any such situation...and im guessing nobody ever has or will lol

 
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