Seahawks Michael Bennett threatened by police (1 Viewer)

[Henry Ford]

Don't know. Don't care at this point. No longer in the field as of 5 months ago.

Point was that people were saying that I shouldn't be talking about how I committed a crime of false imprisonment. 

Things have softened over the past few years. But it is still called a shoplifters detention, not an arrest. When the police arrive and have reviewed the evidence, they usually tell the person that they are placing them under arrest. At that point they either issue a citation or book the person.

I don't think anyone used the words false imprisonment but you. 

 

[KCitons]

You're right. That's known as unlawful detainment, kidnapping, or false imprisonment. If you're not a police officer, you have no right to handcuff or hold a shoplifter in an office. I'm not sure I'd be announcing criminal conduct during your employment on a message board if I were you.

I expect better reading skills from a lawyer. 

 

[parasaurolophus]

Was just saying to myself as I read page 4 this thread needs more lawyer talk. 

 

[Christo]

Things have softened over the past few years. But it is still called a shoplifters detention, not an arrest. When the police arrive and have reviewed the evidence, they usually tell the person that they are placing them under arrest. At that point they either issue a citation or book the person.

They can call it whatever they want. But if you put cuffs on someone, take them in a room, and hold them until the police get there, it's an arrest.

 

[Da Guru]

Busy day.

Has the fact that it now appears that he hid from, then ran from the police after having been told not to been brought up yet?

Or is this still all because hes African American?

Cops were minorities too..maybe it is a wash.

 

[KCitons]

They can call it whatever they want. But if you put cuffs on someone, take them in a room, and hold them until the police get there, it's an arrest.

If you do it, it can be an arrest. When I do it, it's a detention. 

 

[Christo]

If you do it, it can be an arrest. When I do it, it's a detention. 

 

[Henry Ford]

I expect better reading skills from a lawyer. 

I don't think I read that post. 

 

[Mister CIA]

Are their children thugleens, thugletts, thuguns, thuglines?

Rug Thugs

Thugalos

 

[Gawain]

AM I BEING DETAINED?!?!

 

[Johnny Rock]

Thread title change time?

 

[DallasDMac]

Not surprisingly, this thread turned in to a turd in a punch bowl pretty quickly.

 

[tonydead]

So typical, immediate outrage turns into a nothing burger. 

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

Yeah, I'm the naive one.  You put handcuffs on someone, you've arrested them.

No shtick here.  On LivePD which I'm sure has some made for TV moments they put guys in handcuffs all the time and detain them but do not actually tell them they are under arrest until they find drugs or whatever.   I've seen them detain people in cuffs and then let them go too.  So there seems to be a difference in detaining someone and arresting them.  You're saying there is not?

 

[GROOT]

If Bennett sues, he will lose.

So typical, immediate outrage turn into a nothing burger. 

And when he sues...he will get a nothing burger deluxe

 

[Christo]

No shtick here.  On LivePD which I'm sure has some made for TV moments they put guys in handcuffs all the time and detain them but do not actually tell them they are under arrest until they find drugs or whatever.   I've seen them detain people in cuffs and then let them go too.  So there seems to be a difference in detaining someone and arresting them.  You're saying there is not?

Of course there's a difference between detaining someone and arresting them. Detaining someone involves a brief stop in order to ask a few questions. A pat down to make sure the person has no weapons would probably be considered still just a detention too. Henry Ford discussed this earlier--a Terry Stop. But once you move or confine someone you have arrested them.

 

[tonydead]

If Bennett sues, he will lose.

And when he sues...he will get a nothing burger deluxe

Prolly should wait until LVPD is done investigating what he was doing in the night club leading up to this. 

 

[KCitons]

I also filled out the police report prior to the officers arrival. They filled in their name and badge number. Once proofread, they signed it. But, I still wasn't arresting anyone.. 

 

[Christo]

I also filled out the police report prior to the officers arrival. They filled in their name and badge number. Once proofread, they signed it. But, I still wasn't arresting anyone.. 

 

[kentric]

Got to love it.  This quickly became hijacked into a lawyer "definition of arrest" thread.  Three full pages worth of drivel.  

It was much more interesting when it was a racist accusation thread.

 

[kentric]

Have these cops lost their jobs yet?  They should be fired immediately.

Cops?  Unless they can prove a cover-up over the gun to head accusation, you're wayyyy off base and need to read more about the incident.

 

[rockaction]

Cops?  Unless they can prove a cover-up over the gun to head accusation, you're wayyyy off base and need to read more about the incident.

Forget it, Jake, it's Dedfin.  

 

[Hang 10]

Got to love it.  This quickly became hijacked into a lawyer "definition of arrest" thread.  Three full pages worth of drivel.  

It was much more interesting when it was a racist accusation thread.

It's easier to just change the subject when you don't want to talk about being naive enough to believe Bennett's bull####. 

 

[kentric]

It's easier to just change the subject when you don't want to talk about being naive enough to believe Bennett's bull####. 

I agree with you to a large extent, but if he did have a gun pointed at his head I would give him a lot more latitude with things like how he felt.  For example, when he said he was kept in the police car for what seemed like a long time but was only 10 minutes.  When you're under duress, your time sense can get totally shot. 

eta. I see my comment doesn't really address your statement, but I won't delete as it has some bearing on the overall subject.

 

[rockaction]

I have to agree with the lawyers on this one, though; it becomes important to Bennett's story whether he was falsely arrested or not, which would lead one to need to define "arrest" as our current law defines it.  

 

[Hang 10]

I agree with you to a large extent, but if he did have a gun pointed at his head I would give him a lot more latitude with things like how he felt.  For example, when he said he was kept in the police car for what seemed like a long time but was only 10 minutes.  When you're under duress, your time sense can get totally shot. 

I still don't believe that the officer that had him pinned down had an actual gun to his head (looked like a taser gun from the stills) but EVEN IF HE DID in the context that the police already had their guns drawn because they were looking for an active shooter in a casino and he wasn't "just doin nuthin" the whole spirit of his story was a lie. 

 

[John Bender]

Theories on what took so long for this to come out? 

 

[Hang 10]

Theories on what took so long for this to come out? 

Which part?

 

[kentric]

I still don't believe that the officer that had him pinned down had an actual gun to his head (looked like a taser gun from the stills) but EVEN IF HE DID in the context that the police already had their guns drawn because they were looking for an active shooter in a casino and he wasn't "just doin nuthin" the whole spirit of his story was a lie. 

It wasn't just that he had a gun out (although a PO should have holstered his gun or, at the least, not pointed it toward Bennett's head - if he in actuality did that), it was that the PO supposedly threatened to blow Bennett's head off.  The LVPD is investigating this accusation.

 

[John Bender]

Which part?

For Bennett to come out with how he felt about the incident so long after it occurred. It was over a week since it happened until when we heard anything about it right? He's a pretty outspoken guy, just curious. I have no opinion on the matter yet. Clearly there are still more facts to come so the folks here with the sarcastic comments and conclusions are pretty ridiculous to already be at that point. 

Chill for a few days. 

 

[pantherclub]

Theories on what took so long for this to come out? 

Ryan Lochte redux would be my guess.

 

[kentric]

For Bennett to come out with how he felt about the incident so long after it occurred. It was over a week since it happened until when we heard anything about it right? He's a pretty outspoken guy, just curious. I have no opinion on the matter yet. Clearly there are still more facts to come so the folks here with the sarcastic comments and conclusions are pretty ridiculous to already be at that point. 

Chill for a few days. 

People have speculated that nothing came out because Bennett didn't want his actions known (by his wife? coach), but that when TMZ brought this to light he needed to cover his butt and came out with this whole racial accusation crap.

eta: Totally agree with you on the bolded.  There were many who were screaming about racial injustice before all the facts were known.  The events don't appear to have been racially inspired at all.

 

[Hang 10]

For Bennett to come out with how he felt about the incident so long after it occurred. It was over a week since it happened until when we heard anything about it right? He's a pretty outspoken guy, just curious. I have no opinion on the matter yet. Clearly there are still more facts to come so the folks here with the sarcastic comments and conclusions are pretty ridiculous to already be at that point. 

Chill for a few days. 

That's a great question. I heard a theory that TMZ released the video of him being arrested and it forced his hand. He was probably some place he shouldn't have been so he plays the victim card. 

 

[jon_mx]

It's easier to just change the subject when you don't want to talk about being naive enough to believe Bennett's bull####. 

Bennett's story is mostly true.  It is only the part about being about race is where he is off base.  He was the only person who started to flee away from police.  It is pretty clear why he was single out. 

 

[GROOT]

People have speculated that nothing came out because Bennett didn't want his actions known (by his wife? coach), but that when TMZ brought this to light he needed to cover his butt and came out with this whole racial accusation crap.

Diversion

 

[kentric]

Diversion

Groot.  

 

[pantherclub]

Bennett's story is mostly true.  It is only the part about being about race is where he is off base.  He was the only person who started to flee away from police.  It is pretty clear why he was single out. 

define "mostly"

 

[the moops]

Bennett's story is mostly true.  It is only the part about being about race is where he is off base.  He was the only person who started to flee away from police.  It is pretty clear why he was single out. 

Glad you got to the bottom of this from a few tweets

 

[jon_mx]

define "mostly"

I explained that in the quote.  When he attempts to inject motives instead of realizing how bizarre his behavior appeared to cops. 

 

[Hang 10]

Bennett's story is mostly true.  It is only the part about being about race is where he is off base.  He was the only person who started to flee away from police.  It is pretty clear why he was single out. 

It was not mostly true. 

1. He lied about it being about race.

2. He lied he was just running away from the sound of gun shots. (he was hiding behind a slot machine and ran and jumped over a wall, hid when the cops tried to approach him).

3. He lied that the cops didn't tell him why they detained him.

And he possibly lied about the having a gun held to his head and being threatened. 

 

[pantherclub]

I explained that in the quote.  When he attempts to inject motives instead of realizing how bizarre his behavior appeared to cops. 

I still dont get where you think anything he has said is true.  I predict this idiot will be proven to be a liar when its all said and done. 

 

[jon_mx]

I still dont get where you think anything he has said is true.  I predict this idiot will be proven to be a liar when its all said and done. 

He was taken down and handcuffed and forcefully held to the ground with something held by his head.  He is imagining all the race-related stuff.  

 

[tonydead]

He lied he was just leaving the fight and going back to the hotel.

 

[tonydead]

In his letter this guy even through out the "N" word.  He played the card no one else is allowed to play.

 

[Hang 10]

https://www.outkickthecoverage.com/michael-bennett-lying/

Good read if you just want the facts. 

 

[Sweet J]

In his letter this guy even through out the "N" word.  He played the card no one else is allowed to play.

Every time I hear a stupid white person say something like this I cringe. 

 

[pantherclub]

https://www.outkickthecoverage.com/michael-bennett-lying/

Good read if you just want the facts. 

I alot of people on this thread and especially the one in the shark pool look absolutely ridiculous right now. 

 

[Bert]

It is Tawana Brawley all over again.  Tawana Bennett is a good name for this racist liar.

 

[parasaurolophus]

Got to love it.  This quickly became hijacked into a lawyer "definition of arrest" thread.  Three full pages worth of drivel.  

It was much more interesting when it was a racist accusation thread.

Thats what lawyers do. 

 

[jon_mx]

I alot of people on this thread and especially the one in the shark pool look absolutely ridiculous right now. 

But yet not backtracking yet.  Almost all stories out there is the Bennett narrative.  I am not convinced the police were 100 percent in the right, but the racism angle is not supported.