kupcho1
Footballguy
I don't see anything there that makes him any less of a flight risk.
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Sean 'Diddy' Combs' Houses Raided in Miami and L.A. by Homeland Security in Sex Trafficking Probe (1 Viewer)
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General Malaise
Footballguy
Where do you think he should have gone?
Raging weasel
Footballguy
Epstein Island?
TLEF316
Footballguy
Somewhere with no US extradition treaty.
He has enough money to bribe whoever he needed to in order to get out of the country.
Not saying I WANTED him to escape justice....but it's just very odd that he hung around to get arrested on such serious charges
General Malaise
Footballguy
Oh, I understood what you meant, I'm just curious where a guy like him in his current predicament would flee to....I mean, I couldn't afford to run away to Montana if I wanted to hide, but a guy with all that money, where's the safe-place?
TLEF316
Footballguy
Quick Google search.....guess I'd expect him to go to the UAE. Dubai had all the luxury he'd want and he could probably continue doing all the shady stuff he's been doing for the past 30 years
Ramsay Hunt Experience
Footballguy
I fail to see how any offer on bail would be "tempting to prosecutors." It's not like the US Attorney gets to use the bail to vacation in Bali or something.Diddy Takes Another Shot At Bail After His Massive $50 Million Offer Was Denied
Diddy is desperate to be released on bail and has dropped another tempting offer to the prosecutors.
The embattled rapper, born Sean John Combs, remains in custody after his initial $50 million bail offer was rejected. He upped the deal with an agreement to limit his connection to women if released.
According to new court documents, the Bad Boy Records founder offered to fully disclose his movement and connections to the government if released on bail.
His legal reps noted that the security company responsible for logging all visitors at his Miami Beach home would hand over the information to the government nightly.
They also claimed that Diddy would limit visitors to family, property caretakers, and friends not listed as co-conspirators in the federal indictment. The contact limitations seemed to be the legal team's way of addressing the court's concern about the rapper contacting or intimidating witnesses.
They even specified that Diddy would restrict female visitors to family members like the mothers of his children. The documents obtained by TMZ further noted the music producer vowed not to contact known grand jury witnesses.
Diddy Takes Another Shot At Bail After His $50 Million Offer Was Denied
Diddy remains in custody after his initial $50 million bail offer was rejected; however, he has upped the offer with the prosecutors.theblast.com
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Footballguy
I fail to see how any offer on bail would be "tempting to prosecutors." It's not like the US Attorney gets to use the bail to vacation in Bali or something.Diddy Takes Another Shot At Bail After His Massive $50 Million Offer Was Denied
Diddy is desperate to be released on bail and has dropped another tempting offer to the prosecutors.
The embattled rapper, born Sean John Combs, remains in custody after his initial $50 million bail offer was rejected. He upped the deal with an agreement to limit his connection to women if released.
According to new court documents, the Bad Boy Records founder offered to fully disclose his movement and connections to the government if released on bail.
His legal reps noted that the security company responsible for logging all visitors at his Miami Beach home would hand over the information to the government nightly.
They also claimed that Diddy would limit visitors to family, property caretakers, and friends not listed as co-conspirators in the federal indictment. The contact limitations seemed to be the legal team's way of addressing the court's concern about the rapper contacting or intimidating witnesses.
They even specified that Diddy would restrict female visitors to family members like the mothers of his children. The documents obtained by TMZ further noted the music producer vowed not to contact known grand jury witnesses.
Diddy Takes Another Shot At Bail After His $50 Million Offer Was Denied
Diddy remains in custody after his initial $50 million bail offer was rejected; however, he has upped the offer with the prosecutors.
Such a weird entitled maniac. He reminds me of a modern Phil Spector.
General Malaise
Footballguy
There is video of him beating his GF in a hotel.....should have been done after that.
Dude....1000% how did that go unnoticed!!??
Cowboysfan8
Footballguy
Throw away the key
Bob Loblaw
Footballguy
I am finding it more and more difficult to listen to Bad Boy music; even though Biggie is one of my favorite rappers, maybe overall favorite depending on the day, but definitely, in my top 3.
rockaction
Footballguy
I am old enough to have gotten out of my hip hop/rap youth phase right before Bad Boy hit and then to have picked it up again right after Bad Boy was no longer on the scene. Serendipitous. I will say that "Mo Money Mo Problems" is still a great track and quite prescient at this point in time.
Ambition is the cause of the rise and fall of many things. I don't think Sean Combs lacked it.
Ambition is the cause of the rise and fall of many things. I don't think Sean Combs lacked it.
Bob Loblaw
Footballguy
Oh wow! This is actually the first I've ever heard of this. Quick interwebs search, and I'm getting mixed results.
especially when you realize they jacked this dude's whole style and flow when creating BIG:
- YouTube
Enjoy the videos and music you love, upload original content, and share it all with friends, family, and the world on YouTube.www.youtube.com
What about that Christopher Wallace (if that even is his name) freestyle on the Funkmaster Flex mixtape? I think it was volume 3. I know the Funk Flex tape came out in late 90's, but what about the actual flow? Isn't there footage of Biggie doing it when he was much younger? In front of a bodega maybe...? I could be wrong.
Sand
Footballguy
Indonesia.
But, either way, when the feds take serious interest you're in deep. Now that he's been arrested and charged they have a ~90% conviction rate. He's toast.
Major
Footballguy
Oh wow! This is actually the first I've ever heard of this. Quick interwebs search, and I'm getting mixed results.
especially when you realize they jacked this dude's whole style and flow when creating BIG:
- YouTube
Enjoy the videos and music you love, upload original content, and share it all with friends, family, and the world on YouTube.
What about that Christopher Wallace (if that even is his name) freestyle on the Funkmaster Flex mixtape? I think it was volume 3. I know the Funk Flex tape came out in late 90's, but what about the actual flow? Isn't there footage of Biggie doing it when he was much younger? In front of a bodega maybe...? I could be wrong.
Biggie was the real deal and a great street rapper. Puffy molded him a bit to have that commercial appeal and my bet is "produced" the Juicy track without Biggie's knowledge it was done by someone else. Puffy was an A&R at the time and was probably getting tons of music sent to him and decided to steal someone else's work. BIG's flow definitely changed up for that single, not as rapid fire as many others like (Party and BS, etc) and almost the exact melody as this Notorious B1 fellow. Then when Biggie Smalls had to change his name for copyright reasons (The original Biggy Smalls) they even jacked the guy's name. Bad business but Puffy has always been a shark.
The first I ever heard of Puffy was in 91 when he was promoting a basketball game in NYC and a bunch of people got killed because he oversold the event and a stampede ensued. Karma is a b.
City College stampede - Wikipedia
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Max Power
Footballguy
I was listening to some of the Cassie testimony on my drive in today. There were some real horrific claims going on with Diddy and these freak offs. He was allegedly recording them and using the videos for blackmail.
NBC has the play by play.
www.nbcnews.com
NBC has the play by play.
Sean ‘Diddy’ Combs trial recap: Cassie Ventura testifies she was blackmailed with ‘freak-off’ sex videos
Follow the latest from Sean 'Diddy Combs' sex trafficking trial in New York. Cassie Ventura testified against the artist for the second day in a row.
www.nbcnews.com
The Z Machine
Footballguy
It's suuuuuuuper gross. I think the prosecution has him nailed here.I was listening to some of the Cassie testimony on my drive in today. There were some real horrific claims going on with Diddy and these freak offs. He was allegedly recording them and using the videos for blackmail.
NBC has the play by play.
Sean ‘Diddy’ Combs trial recap: Cassie Ventura testifies she was blackmailed with ‘freak-off’ sex videos
Follow the latest from Sean 'Diddy Combs' sex trafficking trial in New York. Cassie Ventura testified against the artist for the second day in a row.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
And they can say he's not being put on trial over that hotel video but it speaks for itself.It's suuuuuuuper gross. I think the prosecution has him nailed here.I was listening to some of the Cassie testimony on my drive in today. There were some real horrific claims going on with Diddy and these freak offs. He was allegedly recording them and using the videos for blackmail.
NBC has the play by play.
Sean ‘Diddy’ Combs trial recap: Cassie Ventura testifies she was blackmailed with ‘freak-off’ sex videos
Follow the latest from Sean 'Diddy Combs' sex trafficking trial in New York. Cassie Ventura testified against the artist for the second day in a row.
Anyone that would do that to another person is capable of anything, I don't see how Combs could possibly be set free at the end of this
Just a matter of how many years they give him
Federal Raids don't typically end well for the owner of the homes they enter
Max Power
Footballguy
That video was hard to watch. I also think its a case of who goes down with him. Diddy had a team and guests involved in this too. Maybe they aren't legally in trouble, but after hearing the details, public opinion will ruin careers.And they can say he's not being put on trial over that hotel video but it speaks for itself.It's suuuuuuuper gross. I think the prosecution has him nailed here.I was listening to some of the Cassie testimony on my drive in today. There were some real horrific claims going on with Diddy and these freak offs. He was allegedly recording them and using the videos for blackmail.
NBC has the play by play.
Sean ‘Diddy’ Combs trial recap: Cassie Ventura testifies she was blackmailed with ‘freak-off’ sex videos
Follow the latest from Sean 'Diddy Combs' sex trafficking trial in New York. Cassie Ventura testified against the artist for the second day in a row.
Anyone that would do that to another person is capable of anything, I don't see how Combs could possibly be set free at the end of this
Just a matter of how many years they give him
Federal Raids don't typically end well for the owner of the homes they enter
have they pulled Diddy's music from streaming services yet?
Major
Footballguy
He's was never really an artist and the tracks he is credited with were all written and often produced by someone else even though he'd get most of the writing and producing credits. More an Executive Producer/CEO type. To his credit (or devilish nature), he knew the power/money involved in writing/producing royalties and often ripped off those doing the majority of the work. I never thought highly of him even before all these allegations came out. Your typical record exec scumbag.
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
Yet another case where it seems that tons of people knew of the horrific things going on and never said a word. The ability of man to partake in evil or enable it by standing silent is incredibly disturbing,That video was hard to watch. I also think its a case of who goes down with him. Diddy had a team and guests involved in this too. Maybe they aren't legally in trouble, but after hearing the details, public opinion will ruin careers.And they can say he's not being put on trial over that hotel video but it speaks for itself.It's suuuuuuuper gross. I think the prosecution has him nailed here.I was listening to some of the Cassie testimony on my drive in today. There were some real horrific claims going on with Diddy and these freak offs. He was allegedly recording them and using the videos for blackmail.
NBC has the play by play.
Sean ‘Diddy’ Combs trial recap: Cassie Ventura testifies she was blackmailed with ‘freak-off’ sex videos
Follow the latest from Sean 'Diddy Combs' sex trafficking trial in New York. Cassie Ventura testified against the artist for the second day in a row.
Anyone that would do that to another person is capable of anything, I don't see how Combs could possibly be set free at the end of this
Just a matter of how many years they give him
Federal Raids don't typically end well for the owner of the homes they enter
have they pulled Diddy's music from streaming services yet?
Max Power
Footballguy
Too many people are willing to compromise their morals to be a star. Hollywood, music, influencers... Hollywood and Music seem to be on the downswing with social media taking over.Yet another case where it seems that tons of people knew of the horrific things going on and never said a word. The ability of man to partake in evil or enable it by standing silent is incredibly disturbing,That video was hard to watch. I also think its a case of who goes down with him. Diddy had a team and guests involved in this too. Maybe they aren't legally in trouble, but after hearing the details, public opinion will ruin careers.And they can say he's not being put on trial over that hotel video but it speaks for itself.It's suuuuuuuper gross. I think the prosecution has him nailed here.I was listening to some of the Cassie testimony on my drive in today. There were some real horrific claims going on with Diddy and these freak offs. He was allegedly recording them and using the videos for blackmail.
NBC has the play by play.
Sean ‘Diddy’ Combs trial recap: Cassie Ventura testifies she was blackmailed with ‘freak-off’ sex videos
Follow the latest from Sean 'Diddy Combs' sex trafficking trial in New York. Cassie Ventura testified against the artist for the second day in a row.
Anyone that would do that to another person is capable of anything, I don't see how Combs could possibly be set free at the end of this
Just a matter of how many years they give him
Federal Raids don't typically end well for the owner of the homes they enter
have they pulled Diddy's music from streaming services yet?
I worry about cultural decay and I remain optimistic the future will be better, but we live in an age where everything comes to light in time. We may end up seeing more of this stuff.
El Floppo
Footballguy
Im sure it goes on, but my HS Sr son and his peers are acutely aware of the omnipresence of video documentation and its immediacy AND longevity. Wife and I wanted him to be way more debaucherous in HS- the way we were- but he and the other kids are too aware of the repercussions if they are in public.Too many people are willing to compromise their morals to be a star. Hollywood, music, influencers... Hollywood and Music seem to be on the downswing with social media taking over.Yet another case where it seems that tons of people knew of the horrific things going on and never said a word. The ability of man to partake in evil or enable it by standing silent is incredibly disturbing,That video was hard to watch. I also think its a case of who goes down with him. Diddy had a team and guests involved in this too. Maybe they aren't legally in trouble, but after hearing the details, public opinion will ruin careers.And they can say he's not being put on trial over that hotel video but it speaks for itself.It's suuuuuuuper gross. I think the prosecution has him nailed here.I was listening to some of the Cassie testimony on my drive in today. There were some real horrific claims going on with Diddy and these freak offs. He was allegedly recording them and using the videos for blackmail.
NBC has the play by play.
Sean ‘Diddy’ Combs trial recap: Cassie Ventura testifies she was blackmailed with ‘freak-off’ sex videos
Follow the latest from Sean 'Diddy Combs' sex trafficking trial in New York. Cassie Ventura testified against the artist for the second day in a row.
Anyone that would do that to another person is capable of anything, I don't see how Combs could possibly be set free at the end of this
Just a matter of how many years they give him
Federal Raids don't typically end well for the owner of the homes they enter
have they pulled Diddy's music from streaming services yet?
I worry about cultural decay and I remain optimistic the future will be better, but we live in an age where everything comes to light in time. We may end up seeing more of this stuff.
The Longtime Lurker
Footballguy
Verdict is in. Not guilty racketeering, not guilty on two counts for sex trafficking, guilty on two counts of transportation for sex purposes
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Footballguy
So is that 15+15+potentially 10? or just 15+10max?
The Longtime Lurker
Footballguy
They're saying 10 years max since he's not guilty of the most serious charges, but very unlikely that he'll see anywhere near that if any jail time at all. This is tv talking head conjecture and they seem disgusted for what it's worth.
Edit. Another talking head said 20 years max, so maybe the convictions aren't concurrent.
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Footballguy
I have not followed this case at all but looking through some of the photos.... Thats a fair amount of drugs. Kinda surprised he wasn't charged with possession just tot tack on more. Maybe that was involved with the kingpin charge,
I have followed the case and just always felt the RICO charge was overly ambitious and never felt enough compelling evidence was provided. Not really close.
The two counts of sex trafficking by force, fraud or coercion, which are pretty serious offenses, I think a lot of people without those high priced lawyers would have got convicted and that would have put him away for 10+years. But even with that there was certainly gray area. The fact he threatened both of them with releasing videos if they did not continue sure seems guilty to me but both "victims" texts showing themselves as being willing participants was hard to ignore.
He's a nasty and terrible person but I can't get up in arms over the verdict, would in fact agree with it.
With a clean record he'll barely do anytime. If he gets credit for time served may be done.
For the most part the government spent millions and millions of dollars to tarnish his name.
The two counts of sex trafficking by force, fraud or coercion, which are pretty serious offenses, I think a lot of people without those high priced lawyers would have got convicted and that would have put him away for 10+years. But even with that there was certainly gray area. The fact he threatened both of them with releasing videos if they did not continue sure seems guilty to me but both "victims" texts showing themselves as being willing participants was hard to ignore.
He's a nasty and terrible person but I can't get up in arms over the verdict, would in fact agree with it.
With a clean record he'll barely do anytime. If he gets credit for time served may be done.
For the most part the government spent millions and millions of dollars to tarnish his name.
Zow
Footballguy
Are you suggesting the jury was bribed?
One of the attorneys on TV said he could have been found guilty of plenty of things. But those weren't what he was charged with.
And the defense team strategy was to admit to many bad things.......but not those he was charged with.
Most if not all of us would have been convicted
I tend to think this as well.
But made me think, how did Martha Stewart go to jail? Was what she did that indisputably terrible? And full disclosure, I know I can google it but it was with stock trading or something, right? I remember when she went to trial I thought it would be like Combs and I thought no way does Martha Stewart go to prison.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Insider trading.
Thanks. Was it so blatant open and shut case that prison time was unavoidable? Did she skimp on using all her power to get out of it? Other side was great too?
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Insider trading relates to dealing with securities by parties with access to critical insider information, all you have to do is 1. show the access to the information, and 2. the use of the information. - But Stewart was also convicted of obstruction.
Harvey Weinstien getting convicted was probably the most surprised I've been on a high profile/celeb conviction and a lot of the stuff he was accussed off was very similar to Combs. Most notably using his power and influence to make or break careers to get what he wanted sexually.
As a side note I've but I've been within 5-10 feet of both Combs and Wienstien. Obviously no idea of knowing the kinds of peole they were at the time but Combs was clearly an odd dude.
But on the subject of money and justice.
Before the internet was in my life in the early 90's the Arkansas Democrat Gazette published an article which showed the race, crime and sentencing for every murder conviction in the state from the previous year. High majority of the convicted were black men but when I would come across a caucausian man the difference in their sentencing was massive. I did not have the whole picture on priors and the such but after scrolling that article I found it impossible to come away thinking a black man has remotely an equal shot of justice.
Then a few years later the OJ trial happened and that's when I realized I changed my thinking to the justice system being stacked against people off color and for caucasians, and realized it was stacked against poor people and for the wealthy.
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TLEF316
Footballguy
Many of Weinstein's victims were celebs too. Thats why he went down.
Ramsay Hunt Experience
Footballguy
So Stewart faced both a criminal trial and a civil action by the SEC. "Insider trading" is normally a civil violation handled by the SEC and she settled that investigation without jail time.
The criminal trial was for counts stemming out of what she told investigators who were looking into the alleged insider trading. She was charged with obstruction, conspiracy, making false statements, and securities fraud (which is essentially lying to try to influence stock price). The judge dropped the securities fraud charge because there was no evidence that her alleged false statements were in any way intended to influence the stock price. So most of the case hinged on whether she was entirely honest about whether she had instructed her broker to sell ImCLone if the stock price dropped below $60 a share. The details of what the jury thought she lied about and what they thought she didn't lie about are kind of esoteric and hard to explain.
It's a weird case and many people believed that Patrick Fitzgerald (the prosecutor) and his boss, Preet Bharara at the time were VERY aggressive in their charging decisions. My understanding is that while Stewart settled the SEC case, current SEC guidance likely would not have even charged her with insider trading under those facts.
kupcho1
Footballguy
West Coast bias.
Harry Frogfish
Footballguy
Totally believable.
