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***Severance Official Thread*** (1 Viewer)

Mill chick cobell Irving and Burt were/are the best parts of the show. It’s pretty meh for me. But I wanted to see what the hype was all about

Eta: and dylan. He is most excellent
Dylan's choice of cuss words in particular!

"dry ****s" LOL
The scenes with outie Dylan and his wife were heartbreaking - him realizing how his outie self didn’t measure up to his innie self.

When he read the response to his resignation request…. :cry:
 
Mill chick cobell Irving and Burt were/are the best parts of the show. It’s pretty meh for me. But I wanted to see what the hype was all about

Eta: and dylan. He is most excellent
Dylan's choice of cuss words in particular!

"dry ****s" LOL
The scenes with outie Dylan and his wife were heartbreaking - him realizing how his outie self didn’t measure up to his innie self.

When he read the response to his resignation request…. :cry:
Didn’t Milchick run after leaving him with the letter, or did I remember that incorrectly?
 
Mill chick cobell Irving and Burt were/are the best parts of the show. It’s pretty meh for me. But I wanted to see what the hype was all about

Eta: and dylan. He is most excellent
Dylan's choice of cuss words in particular!

"dry ****s" LOL
The scenes with outie Dylan and his wife were heartbreaking - him realizing how his outie self didn’t measure up to his innie self.

When he read the response to his resignation request…. :cry:
Didn’t Milchick run after leaving him with the letter, or did I remember that incorrectly?

He did. It was hilarious!
 
Mill chick cobell Irving and Burt were/are the best parts of the show. It’s pretty meh for me. But I wanted to see what the hype was all about

Eta: and dylan. He is most excellent
Dylan's choice of cuss words in particular!

"dry ****s" LOL
The scenes with outie Dylan and his wife were heartbreaking - him realizing how his outie self didn’t measure up to his innie self.

When he read the response to his resignation request…. :cry:
First off: **** off :lmao:

But also this is giving his outie a chance to reflect and now make his marriage better. I thought it was great that he wanted that version of himself to exist to make him a better person.
 
Mill chick cobell Irving and Burt were/are the best parts of the show. It’s pretty meh for me. But I wanted to see what the hype was all about

Eta: and dylan. He is most excellent
Dylan's choice of cuss words in particular!

"dry ****s" LOL
The scenes with outie Dylan and his wife were heartbreaking - him realizing how his outie self didn’t measure up to his innie self.

When he read the response to his resignation request…. :cry:
Didn’t Milchick run after leaving him with the letter, or did I remember that incorrectly?
Yes...but I don't know if it was because he didn't want to be there or he was in a hurry to be there for the 100% completion of Cold Harbor.
 
Mill chick cobell Irving and Burt were/are the best parts of the show. It’s pretty meh for me. But I wanted to see what the hype was all about

Eta: and dylan. He is most excellent
Dylan's choice of cuss words in particular!

"dry ****s" LOL
The scenes with outie Dylan and his wife were heartbreaking - him realizing how his outie self didn’t measure up to his innie self.

When he read the response to his resignation request…. :cry:
Didn’t Milchick run after leaving him with the letter, or did I remember that incorrectly?
Yes...but I don't know if it was because he didn't want to be there or he was in a hurry to be there for the 100% completion of Cold Harbor.
no, it's because he had to go lead the band into the room for the celebration. come on, are you severed or what?
 
Finished S2. I am off two minds on this.

I enjoyed it a lot. It's smart sci-fi.

The effusive praise heaped upon it is not warranted. They are dragging the mystery out far too much and the juice has not been worth the squeeze.
 
The effusive praise heaped upon it is not warranted. They are dragging the mystery out far too much and the juice has not been worth the squeeze.
See, I don’t get this. It’s only been 19 episodes and they answered a lot of what Lumon is, what the 4 processors do, what happened with Gemma, I guess the goats for people who cared about that — I feel like they’ve answered a lot and it’s fair to leave some for future seasons. I’m not even sure what real mysteries are left, other than how this naturally concludes.
 
The effusive praise heaped upon it is not warranted. They are dragging the mystery out far too much and the juice has not been worth the squeeze.
See, I don’t get this. It’s only been 19 episodes and they answered a lot of what Lumon is, what the 4 processors do, what happened with Gemma, I guess the goats for people who cared about that — I feel like they’ve answered a lot and it’s fair to leave some for future seasons. I’m not even sure what real mysteries are left, other than how this naturally concludes.
It is admittedly a weird criticism from me since for fifteen years I've defended Lost, which played a similar game.

I guess I was going for more of "what's all this FOR anyway?" Maybe next season ...
 
The effusive praise heaped upon it is not warranted. They are dragging the mystery out far too much and the juice has not been worth the squeeze.
See, I don’t get this. It’s only been 19 episodes and they answered a lot of what Lumon is, what the 4 processors do, what happened with Gemma, I guess the goats for people who cared about that — I feel like they’ve answered a lot and it’s fair to leave some for future seasons. I’m not even sure what real mysteries are left, other than how this naturally concludes.
It is admittedly a weird criticism from me since for fifteen years I've defended Lost, which played a similar game.

I guess I was going for more of "what's all this FOR anyway?" Maybe next season ...

Seems obvious to me they are looking for a way to remove all instances of pain via Severance. Drummond references this in one of his lines during the scene with the goat.

The biggest question going into Season 3 is whether or not it worked. It appeared to work watching Gemma take apart the crib with no emotional response, but then the fact she was so willing to go with Mark might suggests some emotion or memory broke through.
 
The effusive praise heaped upon it is not warranted. They are dragging the mystery out far too much and the juice has not been worth the squeeze.
See, I don’t get this. It’s only been 19 episodes and they answered a lot of what Lumon is, what the 4 processors do, what happened with Gemma, I guess the goats for people who cared about that — I feel like they’ve answered a lot and it’s fair to leave some for future seasons. I’m not even sure what real mysteries are left, other than how this naturally concludes.
It is admittedly a weird criticism from me since for fifteen years I've defended Lost, which played a similar game.

I guess I was going for more of "what's all this FOR anyway?" Maybe next season ...

Seems obvious to me they are looking for a way to remove all instances of pain via Severance. Drummond references this in one of his lines during the scene with the goat.

The biggest question going into Season 3 is whether or not it worked. It appeared to work watching Gemma take apart the crib with no emotional response, but then the fact she was so willing to go with Mark might suggests some emotion or memory broke through.
Why the need to sacrifice the goat? And they mentioned killing Gemma after Cold Harbor was complete. Why?

I'm satisfied with the progress of the show and can't wait for S3.
 
The effusive praise heaped upon it is not warranted. They are dragging the mystery out far too much and the juice has not been worth the squeeze.
See, I don’t get this. It’s only been 19 episodes and they answered a lot of what Lumon is, what the 4 processors do, what happened with Gemma, I guess the goats for people who cared about that — I feel like they’ve answered a lot and it’s fair to leave some for future seasons. I’m not even sure what real mysteries are left, other than how this naturally concludes.
It is admittedly a weird criticism from me since for fifteen years I've defended Lost, which played a similar game.

I guess I was going for more of "what's all this FOR anyway?" Maybe next season ...

Seems obvious to me they are looking for a way to remove all instances of pain via Severance. Drummond references this in one of his lines during the scene with the goat.

The biggest question going into Season 3 is whether or not it worked. It appeared to work watching Gemma take apart the crib with no emotional response, but then the fact she was so willing to go with Mark might suggests some emotion or memory broke through.
Why the need to sacrifice the goat? And they mentioned killing Gemma after Cold Harbor was complete. Why?

I'm satisfied with the progress of the show and can't wait for S3.

Well Lumon is basically a cult with a lot of ritualistic themes behind it, so sacrificing goats seems to make sense.

They would have to kill Gemma because there's no way they could let her go and get away with it after what they put her through.
 
The effusive praise heaped upon it is not warranted. They are dragging the mystery out far too much and the juice has not been worth the squeeze.
See, I don’t get this. It’s only been 19 episodes and they answered a lot of what Lumon is, what the 4 processors do, what happened with Gemma, I guess the goats for people who cared about that — I feel like they’ve answered a lot and it’s fair to leave some for future seasons. I’m not even sure what real mysteries are left, other than how this naturally concludes.
It is admittedly a weird criticism from me since for fifteen years I've defended Lost, which played a similar game.

I guess I was going for more of "what's all this FOR anyway?" Maybe next season ...

Seems obvious to me they are looking for a way to remove all instances of pain via Severance. Drummond references this in one of his lines during the scene with the goat.

The biggest question going into Season 3 is whether or not it worked. It appeared to work watching Gemma take apart the crib with no emotional response, but then the fact she was so willing to go with Mark might suggests some emotion or memory broke through.
Why the need to sacrifice the goat? And they mentioned killing Gemma after Cold Harbor was complete. Why?

I'm satisfied with the progress of the show and can't wait for S3.

Well Lumon is basically a cult with a lot of ritualistic themes behind it, so sacrificing goats seems to make sense.

They would have to kill Gemma because there's no way they could let her go and get away with it after what they put her through.
But does her outie know the extent of everything that happened with her innie and all of her 24 other innies?
 
The effusive praise heaped upon it is not warranted. They are dragging the mystery out far too much and the juice has not been worth the squeeze.
See, I don’t get this. It’s only been 19 episodes and they answered a lot of what Lumon is, what the 4 processors do, what happened with Gemma, I guess the goats for people who cared about that — I feel like they’ve answered a lot and it’s fair to leave some for future seasons. I’m not even sure what real mysteries are left, other than how this naturally concludes.
It is admittedly a weird criticism from me since for fifteen years I've defended Lost, which played a similar game.

I guess I was going for more of "what's all this FOR anyway?" Maybe next season ...

Seems obvious to me they are looking for a way to remove all instances of pain via Severance. Drummond references this in one of his lines during the scene with the goat.

The biggest question going into Season 3 is whether or not it worked. It appeared to work watching Gemma take apart the crib with no emotional response, but then the fact she was so willing to go with Mark might suggests some emotion or memory broke through.
Why the need to sacrifice the goat? And they mentioned killing Gemma after Cold Harbor was complete. Why?

I'm satisfied with the progress of the show and can't wait for S3.

Well Lumon is basically a cult with a lot of ritualistic themes behind it, so sacrificing goats seems to make sense.

They would have to kill Gemma because there's no way they could let her go and get away with it after what they put her through.
But does her outie know the extent of everything that happened with her innie and all of her 24 other innies?
I mean, she knows she was kidnapped at the very least. To the outside world, she is dead and her being being brought back to life with knowledge she was kidnapped is a problem Lumon cannot have.
 
So, with Gemma being out now, I am wrong in thinking that she'll make it back to oMark and Devon and her previous life, and oMark can quit Lumon, and the Scouts are reunited. And with oMark quitting, iMark no longer exists. Right?

ETA: or, does security capture Gemma before she emerges and/or escapes the campus, and take her out as previously intended (if that's what Lumon's intention was)?
 
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The effusive praise heaped upon it is not warranted. They are dragging the mystery out far too much and the juice has not been worth the squeeze.
See, I don’t get this. It’s only been 19 episodes and they answered a lot of what Lumon is, what the 4 processors do, what happened with Gemma, I guess the goats for people who cared about that — I feel like they’ve answered a lot and it’s fair to leave some for future seasons. I’m not even sure what real mysteries are left, other than how this naturally concludes.
It is admittedly a weird criticism from me since for fifteen years I've defended Lost, which played a similar game.

I guess I was going for more of "what's all this FOR anyway?" Maybe next season ...
I get it, but it feels like they are doing a decent job paying it off. A lot of what is revealed are things that you see in theories if you spend the time there. It's satisfying writing in a way that Lost wasn't and few shows feel so intricate.

Part of why it helps that this is more of an "art project" than a TV show is that will probably be dragged out too long because of corporate profits.
 
The effusive praise heaped upon it is not warranted. They are dragging the mystery out far too much and the juice has not been worth the squeeze.
See, I don’t get this. It’s only been 19 episodes and they answered a lot of what Lumon is, what the 4 processors do, what happened with Gemma, I guess the goats for people who cared about that — I feel like they’ve answered a lot and it’s fair to leave some for future seasons. I’m not even sure what real mysteries are left, other than how this naturally concludes.
It is admittedly a weird criticism from me since for fifteen years I've defended Lost, which played a similar game.

I guess I was going for more of "what's all this FOR anyway?" Maybe next season ...

Seems obvious to me they are looking for a way to remove all instances of pain via Severance. Drummond references this in one of his lines during the scene with the goat.

The biggest question going into Season 3 is whether or not it worked. It appeared to work watching Gemma take apart the crib with no emotional response, but then the fact she was so willing to go with Mark might suggests some emotion or memory broke through.
Why the need to sacrifice the goat? And they mentioned killing Gemma after Cold Harbor was complete. Why?

I'm satisfied with the progress of the show and can't wait for S3.

Well Lumon is basically a cult with a lot of ritualistic themes behind it, so sacrificing goats seems to make sense.

They would have to kill Gemma because there's no way they could let her go and get away with it after what they put her through.
But does her outie know the extent of everything that happened with her innie and all of her 24 other innies?
I mean, she knows she was kidnapped at the very least. To the outside world, she is dead and her being being brought back to life with knowledge she was kidnapped is a problem Lumon cannot have.
Do we for sure know this for sure? It wasn't potentially voluntary?
 
The effusive praise heaped upon it is not warranted. They are dragging the mystery out far too much and the juice has not been worth the squeeze.
See, I don’t get this. It’s only been 19 episodes and they answered a lot of what Lumon is, what the 4 processors do, what happened with Gemma, I guess the goats for people who cared about that — I feel like they’ve answered a lot and it’s fair to leave some for future seasons. I’m not even sure what real mysteries are left, other than how this naturally concludes.
It is admittedly a weird criticism from me since for fifteen years I've defended Lost, which played a similar game.

I guess I was going for more of "what's all this FOR anyway?" Maybe next season ...

Seems obvious to me they are looking for a way to remove all instances of pain via Severance. Drummond references this in one of his lines during the scene with the goat.

The biggest question going into Season 3 is whether or not it worked. It appeared to work watching Gemma take apart the crib with no emotional response, but then the fact she was so willing to go with Mark might suggests some emotion or memory broke through.
Why the need to sacrifice the goat? And they mentioned killing Gemma after Cold Harbor was complete. Why?

I'm satisfied with the progress of the show and can't wait for S3.

Well Lumon is basically a cult with a lot of ritualistic themes behind it, so sacrificing goats seems to make sense.

They would have to kill Gemma because there's no way they could let her go and get away with it after what they put her through.
But does her outie know the extent of everything that happened with her innie and all of her 24 other innies?
I mean, she knows she was kidnapped at the very least. To the outside world, she is dead and her being being brought back to life with knowledge she was kidnapped is a problem Lumon cannot have.
Do we for sure know this for sure? It wasn't potentially voluntary?

Good point. I guess we don't. But even if she did initially go voluntarily, it's pretty clear by how she wanted to get out of there once her outtie came back that she knows enough and would have motivation to take Lumon down. Easier for them to just plan to kill her.
 
So, with Gemma being out now, I am wrong in thinking that she'll make it back to oMark and Devon and her previous life, and oMark can quit Lumon, and the Scouts are reunited. And with oMark quitting, iMark no longer exists. Right?

ETA: or, does security capture Gemma before she emerges and/or escapes the campus, and take her out as previously intended (if that's what Lumon's intention was)?
I don't think that there's any chance that oMark would ever return to Lumon once Gemma is out. My guess would be that Mark's body stays at Lumon for all of Season 3, and the major plot is how to rescue him.

I would also assume that we see oMark emerge in some manner while at Lumon due to the reintegration.
 
As much as I love this show, I'm not sure if there's enough meat on this bone to go 4 seasons unless they run the 3rd season as prequel/alternate site season.

There's a good amount of proverbial blood on the Severed floor...I don't see how they get back to normal.
 
As much as I love this show, I'm not sure if there's enough meat on this bone to go 4 seasons unless they run the 3rd season as prequel/alternate site season.

There's a good amount of proverbial blood on the Severed floor...I don't see how they get back to normal.
What about Cobel? Continued story about her going against Lumen? I mean she created the severance project as a teen prodigy, no?
 
As much as I love this show, I'm not sure if there's enough meat on this bone to go 4 seasons unless they run the 3rd season as prequel/alternate site season.

There's a good amount of proverbial blood on the Severed floor...I don't see how they get back to normal.
What about Cobel? Continued story about her going against Lumen? I mean she created the severance project as a teen prodigy, no?

I'm not sure if she's obsessed with getting back at Lumen or getting back into Lumen. She was referred to as "Lumen thru and thru"....so I'm not sure if she makes a hero turn. I'd imagine her S3 story has her aligning with Devon, Gemma and Irv to perfect reintergration....but I wouldn't be surprised if she screwed them over in some way.

I'd imagine Jame telling Helly R. that he sees Keir in her, when he didn't see it anymore in Helena is a key point of 3; maybe the only thing that allows Mark, her and maybe Dylan to exist on the Severed Floor now.
 
As much as I love this show, I'm not sure if there's enough meat on this bone to go 4 seasons unless they run the 3rd season as prequel/alternate site season.

There's a good amount of proverbial blood on the Severed floor...I don't see how they get back to normal.

Third season will probably be Gemma trying to get outtie Mark back. Dont know how innie Mark is going to keep himself at Lumon, and we also dont know how Lumen is going to react to what's happened and how that all plays together.

Probably has something to do with Jame Eagen saying he liked Helly R better as a daughter than Helena. Helly and innie Mark can use that as leverage. I can see some situation where Jame has Helly stay in her innie form as his daughter and heir and her condition is that Mark stays as well.

I think Cobel's intentions are not pure. I think her primary motive is to reclaim the Severance tech for herself.
 
ETA: or, does security capture Gemma before she emerges and/or escapes the campus, and take her out as previously intended (if that's what Lumon's intention was)?
This would be super lame imo and bad storytelling. She has to escape in order to make the story move forward. Otherwise we’re just doing the same thing again.
 
The take of severing to reduce pain has merit, but there is a lot more potential, as exhibited by the Senator who had his wife severed for the pregnancy. Wife doesn't put out? Get her severed and her innie is a total nympho. Kids act up and don't to do homework? Get them severed and turned into polite, well adjusted straight A students. You youself suffer from depression and self doubt? Get severed and your innie is a charismatic rock star (kind of like Dylan's story). What if everyone likes your innie more than your outie? Let's make the severing permanent?
There are so many areas this show can go explore beyond just the severed employees and Gemma situation.
 
The take of severing to reduce pain has merit, but there is a lot more potential, as exhibited by the Senator who had his wife severed for the pregnancy. Wife doesn't put out? Get her severed and her innie is a total nympho. Kids act up and don't to do homework? Get them severed and turned into polite, well adjusted straight A students. You youself suffer from depression and self doubt? Get severed and your innie is a charismatic rock star (kind of like Dylan's story). What if everyone likes your innie more than your outie? Let's make the severing permanent?
There are so many areas this show can go explore beyond just the severed employees and Gemma situation.
But the chip is activated inside of particular zone or frequency, no? But I guess they did have some type of remote situation during the camping retreat for Helena to be there
 
It's a love story and an exploration of how corporate America treats its employees.
The first time I watched it, I immediately thought it was kind of a play on work life balance in Corporate America in trying to balance two sides of your life.
Much like "Lost" (which this show was clearly inspired by, down to using "the numbers" as part of the Lumon employees locker numbers), I think it's a mistake to think that the point of the show is to get answers to all our questions. It's the journey, not the destination.

And while I agree that the commentary on work culture and corporate influences on our lives was part of the original premise of the show, this season delved much more into broader questions of identity, as the video conversation between Innie and Outie Marks so skillfully demonstrated.

Speaking of which, something I was thinking about today: What is the significance of Helly rebelling so thoroughly against everything Helena stands for? Is it a peak into Helena's subconscious discomfort with her life? It's especially interesting because you would intuitively expect the opposite to be true: Most people live their work lives suppressing their innermost thoughts and impulses. Yet Helly meets Jaime Egan and (correctly) calls him out for being a weirdo who deserves to burn in hell. Similarly, Dylan's innie is described (by his own outie!) as a "bad-a##" who is more sexually appealing to his wife because he's unburdened by life experiences.

I suspect the show is building toward the conclusion that, as evil as Lumon may be, they actually did these characters a favor by allowing them to sever. And that holds all kinds of confusing implications.

My other prediction for S3 is that the tensions between innies and outies will escalate into full-on warfare. We already know how much Helena hates Helly (and now that Cold Harbor is completed and there's no need to placate Mark, she will surely try to kill her off for good). Meanwhile, Mark Scout has now been betrayed by Mark S, who prevented him from being with his wife and basically committed psychological torture on her.

I have no idea how all of this will play out but I'm looking forward to seeing how they manage it

Assuming Gemma can find Mark Scout, he has no incentive to go back to Lumon. I’m assuming he keeps his promise to reintegrate but I could totally understand why he wouldn’t do that.
 
The take of severing to reduce pain has merit, but there is a lot more potential, as exhibited by the Senator who had his wife severed for the pregnancy. Wife doesn't put out? Get her severed and her innie is a total nympho. Kids act up and don't to do homework? Get them severed and turned into polite, well adjusted straight A students. You youself suffer from depression and self doubt? Get severed and your innie is a charismatic rock star (kind of like Dylan's story). What if everyone likes your innie more than your outie? Let's make the severing permanent?
There are so many areas this show can go explore beyond just the severed employees and Gemma situation.
But the chip is activated inside of particular zone or frequency, no? But I guess they did have some type of remote situation during the camping retreat for Helena to be there

I"m not sure about that. How would they have been able to implement the Overtime Contingency if the individual had to be inside an area?
 
isnt it all just an allegory for how we bow down to our corporate overlords now as if we are in a cult ie the sacrificed goats and how they are trying to make the perfect employee who they can implant a personality into that will never feel emotion or stress from work and will just be the perfect unthinking drone and then expand that to anyone who disagrees with you in the outside world i mean to me that seems to be the gig take that to the bank brochachos
 
I did not watch Season 1 when it was out...but due to all the buzz surrounding the show this season, gave it a shot.

1. I like the show. I don't love it.
2. My guess is that I'll wait for it's conclusion before diving back in, but I will.
3. I actually find the supporting characters and their storylines better than the Mark S/Helly R one.

Someone mentioned 'Lost' above. For awhile, I loved 'Lost' but even the most ardent fans of that series have/had to admit that it lost the plot under the weight of many of the questions/expectations it set with regard to The Island itself and what was happening to this group. I feel similarly here although clearly some lessons have been learned, but I'll probably just enjoy the complete piece of entertainment that it will wind up being versus going for the ride.
 
I did not watch Season 1 when it was out...but due to all the buzz surrounding the show this season, gave it a shot.

1. I like the show. I don't love it.
2. My guess is that I'll wait for it's conclusion before diving back in, but I will.
3. I actually find the supporting characters and their storylines better than the Mark S/Helly R one.

Someone mentioned 'Lost' above. For awhile, I loved 'Lost' but even the most ardent fans of that series have/had to admit that it lost the plot under the weight of many of the questions/expectations it set with regard to The Island itself and what was happening to this group. I feel similarly here although clearly some lessons have been learned, but I'll probably just enjoy the complete piece of entertainment that it will wind up being versus going for the ride.

Agreed. Its a good to very good show. Beautiful shot. Well acted. The world they've created is interesting and leaves me wanting to know more. I'm invested and want to see how the story ends.

But its not elite for me. Its nowhere near the top tier shows like the Sopranos, early GOT's, Breaking Bad/Better call Saul, etc. (I know most people put The Wire in here as well, but I've never watched it).

I also think its pretty clearly a tier below something like Boardwalk Empire
 
isnt it all just an allegory for how we bow down to our corporate overlords now as if we are in a cult ie the sacrificed goats and how they are trying to make the perfect employee who they can implant a personality into that will never feel emotion or stress from work and will just be the perfect unthinking drone and then expand that to anyone who disagrees with you in the outside world i mean to me that seems to be the gig take that to the bank brochachos
I don't think you are Lumon material young man. Kier would certainly not approve of your kind in the company he founded. And you can take that to the brain bank Mr. Brochacho.
 
isnt it all just an allegory for how we bow down to our corporate overlords now as if we are in a cult ie the sacrificed goats and how they are trying to make the perfect employee who they can implant a personality into that will never feel emotion or stress from work and will just be the perfect unthinking drone and then expand that to anyone who disagrees with you in the outside world i mean to me that seems to be the gig take that to the bank brochachos
It's at least this. But also more.
 

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