LittlePhatty
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Starting Vereen over Spiller at flex.
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steveski
Footballguy
Now I'm 2nd guessing myself. Keenan vs Vereen. I do strongly believe Vereen has the better chance of having a huge game. Keenans been solid but only 2 catches last game and 3 catches the game before. Yes, all but one of them was for a TD, but that's not sustainable. They both have a lot of e's in their name, but Vereen has the slight advantage there.
By this logic every player would be one and done
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
I've concluded, or convinced myself, that he most likely will have a game between what he did vs Denver and vs Houston, but with more receiving and less rushing (because he has now had two straight games with under 5 carries, not just one...) so 10-20 yards rushing, maybe 6 receptions for 60-80 yards, and possibly a TD. So maybe if it's a great day he gets 100 total yards and a TD, or maybe he gets around 20 rushing and 4/60 (12 in PPR). Even if all things are normal (ie as they were before last week) playing at Baltimore is a tough matchup, right now that's my biggest concern vs other bench options that I hope could have a big day.
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fbelange
Footballguy
This is a just a hunch, but hes not a heavy workload guy. If he was getting a guaranteed 15-20 carries a game...sure. Call it an outlier.
But he makes his living off of wheel routes and check-downs in the flat. If they dedicate a cover LB to him all game (which Miami did with great success), he wont see those 10+ touches, rushing, passing, or otherwise. Not to mention the fact that Gronk is out and dedicating a LB becomes that much easier.
Just not feeling it. Sad, because I would love to put him in there with confidence. I just can't. So... explain again how this logic is flawed? The tape isn't out there on how to stop him?
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PinkydaPimp
Footballguy
Some players are able to perform even while being keyed on. Thats what separates the studs from the good players. Vereen simply hasnt proven he is capable of being started on a regular basis while being the focus of the defense. Therefore i think folks need to tread carefully. If you need high upside, then go with him. If you need a safe pick, you may consider another back.
Tackling Dummies
Footballguy
He was blocking last week. NE was not able to run and threw 55 times, so it's not a matter of Vereen proving anything.
PinkydaPimp
Footballguy
ok. even if its an issue of game plan he hasnt proven hes worth starting as a rb1 or high rb2 in such a game plan. With such a small sample size its just risky.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
It sounds like Dobson and maybe (?) Thompson will be back for the BAL game.
If so I think that helps, gives Brady more options, opens the field up a little more for Vereen potentially I would hope or expect.
If so I think that helps, gives Brady more options, opens the field up a little more for Vereen potentially I would hope or expect.
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Bigboy10182000
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KCitons
Footballguy
I should probably cut Drew Brees then. He will never put up good numbers the rest of his career now that the Rams showed other teams how it's done.
Every team knows how to stop great players. The problem is, they don't have the talent to execute.
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
And I believe the weather is supposed to be unseasonally warm on Sunday as well. In the mid 60's I believe
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Sarnoff
Footballguy
Jamaal Charles's tape is out on how to beat the Raiders for 5 TD's.
Ryan Mathews should be able to get 175 yards/5TDs and I have Woodhead down for a Knile Davis-like 50 yards and a score.
shader
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johnnyboy8102
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timoleander
Footballguy
This is why I'm still going with Alshon Jeffrey over Keenan; the TDs have been there but 4 TDs on 5 receptions over the past two games? Just can't count on that kind of ratio.
CalBear
Footballguy
Yeah, it would totally suck if he had a game like he had three weeks ago, where he had 8/106 without a TD. Or the week before where he was 9/124 without a TD.
Or in other words, over the last four weeks he's 22/318/4. Which is #5 in the league over that time span. Over that same time span Vereen is the #15 RB.
Alshon Jeffrey is probably a better play than Allen, but Vereen is not.
DropKick
Footballguy
Don't blame you, especially in PPR. Anyone know what happened to Vereen last week? I got blown out by Charles and Tucker so it really didn't matter but he disappeared a bit.
need2know
Footballguy
What's the confidence level in vereen today? I play in a .5ppr and he's played in 6 games posting scores of 16.5, 8, 10, 14, 22.5, and 3. Been solid as hell besides last week. Are people really selling on him cause 1 bad game out of 6? Seems to me to be an outlier and he will be around 10 points again and maybe more. People saying the book is out on how to stop him are crazy. Now the only thing that would really muck things up would be the Pats not using him. ... but they almost have to use him to win today don't you think?
Andrew74
Footballguy
I would be mildly confident in him. I have him in a 0.5PPR as well and would think high single digits likely. If he consistently got more carries, I'd be very confident. For me, I'm rolling with Morris. Would probably start Mathews over him as well.
need2know
Footballguy
Timing is everything. If he had the 3 pt game 2 weeks ago, he would be a must start. My only other options today are rainey and todman. If mjd is out I am playing todman for sure. If not it's rainey and vereen. Debating rainey vs vereen...tempted to go todman and rainey but rainey had been so up and down
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Definitely a lack of projections with all the speculating going on. There's no baseline. Outside of Todman there aren't a lot of automatic matchups for RB2/WR3/flex options this week.
I thought 10-20 rushing, 60-80 receiving, 5-6 catches, seemed reasonable. I just don't see a lot TDs in this game, but I would expect Brady maybe gets 2 and if so then Vereen has as good a shot as anyone to grab one.
need2know
Footballguy
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
I'm not, but I do think Baltimore is a very good defense at home, and there could be crummy weather, all for making it a pretty low scoring, hard fought affair.
I'm mindful though of not reaching and trying to make a great start out of several options when there aren't great matchups out there this week, vs having a major piece in one of the best offenses in football, which is why I drafted him eons ago now in the first place.
Some comments from FBG Tefertiller in the AC forum on Vereen:
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PinkydaPimp
Footballguy
I think vereen has a good game. But i wouldn't go benching top 15 players for vereen especially in non PPR leagues.
steveski
Footballguy
That's the only fear. It's pretty clear that he's a top 5 option in any type of PPR league if they don't game plan to shut him down. I think it's pretty clear that the Ravens will try to do that since he's the biggest threat on that offense right now. The only question is if BB is smart enough to find new ways of using him and getting him the ball.
I still can't get myself to pull the trigger and start him over Keenan Allen, but I'm real close.
ebsteelers
Footballguy
benching vereen for j. bell
in another trying to decide vereen or roddy white.. yikes
in another trying to decide vereen or roddy white.. yikes
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Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
Starting Vereen in my PPR and expecting 15-20 from him this week.
johnnyboy8102
Footballguy
Starting Vereen in PPR
Starting Chris Johnson over Vereen in non ppr
Starting Chris Johnson over Vereen in non ppr
KellysHeroes
Footballguy
put most of your effort into stopping Vereen and let the 2 slot guys eat you up... doesn't sound like a good plan.
I think Vereen does better than he did last week but I'm not sure I'm going to bench CJ over him; CJ has been good fo an avg of 15 or so a week.
SaintsInDome2006
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⚡DEADHEAD⚡
Footballguy
With Ridley back in good graces and Blount getting carries, I think the opportunities are fewer for Vereen than they were two+ weeks ago. That factors into it for me.
And as much as I love Vereen, his great game two weeks ago was largely due to one drive. Can't quite say it's an anomaly but haven't seen him factored in such a way since. Game situation seems to dictate Vereen's use (defense against, score, etc.).
Feel better with CJ and Gio. Could be wrong.
And as much as I love Vereen, his great game two weeks ago was largely due to one drive. Can't quite say it's an anomaly but haven't seen him factored in such a way since. Game situation seems to dictate Vereen's use (defense against, score, etc.).
Feel better with CJ and Gio. Could be wrong.
MoveToSkypager
Footballguy
He's a must start here. Gonna shred those slow LBs.
Agreed, makes my decision easier now. Can't risk MJD playing well and Todman doing nothing. I don't have MJD.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
I'm going to say something rosy with rose colored glasses on - since Bal is no. 2 vs RB's, and given that Vereen is much more of a receiving back, I think we may see the Pats trying to move the chains with throwing to Vereen much more than we did vs the Phins. He's a receiver, he needs targets, maybe he gets them today.
⚡DEADHEAD⚡
Footballguy
Must admit that Dobson and Thompkins being out favors Vereen.
Damn. Tough call.
Damn. Tough call.
dickey moe
Fingerpicker
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Footballguy
Hoss Style
Footballguy
There's our man! TD!
If you watched the games last week, like many in this thread said, then you know Vereen was in a lot, but Brady just couldn't get him the ball and he was also held in to block a lot.
He caught the same pass this week that was thrown to him last week (incomplete) on the opposite side.
If you watched the games last week, like many in this thread said, then you know Vereen was in a lot, but Brady just couldn't get him the ball and he was also held in to block a lot.
He caught the same pass this week that was thrown to him last week (incomplete) on the opposite side.
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