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Shooting At Aurora, Colorado Movie Theater (1 Viewer)

Snogger, I assume the vast majority of us here understand what you're saying. He almost certainly has mental issues, but is likely not out of touch with reality or unable to understand his actions. The Christos and Timmy's will pick apart every little thing someone says; don't get why.

 
It is like talking to a :wall:

I've explained myself.. If you don't agree you don't agree.. Last I looked we ALL have the right to our own opinions and in this regard this guy is NOT mentally ill when it come to the law.
That's not what you originally said.
I know and is why I tried to clarify it.. My bad. :bag: My Opinion from the many stories that I've read is that this guy is not mentally ill when it comes to the law..

Is he "sick in the head" in the head.. :yes: ... anyone that thinks taking innocent lives is OK has something wrong upstairs.

But in my opinion when someone spends weeks planning something like this, they also have the capability to understand the difference between right and wrong and therefore should not have the ability to use the "insanity" defense.

:shrug:
Thanks for clarifying.

:thumbup:

 
Has anyone said why or figured out why the dude was just standing by his car when he got caught? Seemed to me he could have either escaped or gone to the front to kill more.
It appears that he "surrendered" so he could hear whether his Plan B, the Pentagon to his WTC - the rigging of his apartment & creating stimuli he thought would cause someone to trip the massive explosion - was successful. I'm guessing his anxiousness to find out is what tipped police to pursue that line of questioning at the site when there was so much else going on.
 
Man.. reading this story, it doesn't seem there were any indications, unlike most Mass slayings, that he was about to do what he did..

A furniture mover who lives several blocks from the suspect's Aurora apartment building said he shared a beer with him Tuesday at a neighborhood bar where they talked about Denver Bronco Peyton Manning.

Jackie Mitchell said he recognized Holmes' photo on television as the guy he met at the bar. He described him as smart with a "swagger."

"We just talked about football. He had a backpack and geeky classes and seemed like a real intelligent guy and I figured he was one of the college students," he said.
:mellow:
 
Police arrived at Holmes' apartment to find "techno-music" blaring from the one-bedroom, according to a law enforcement source, who spoke on condition of anonymity.

The music was on a timer and apparently started once he left for the movie theater, said the source, who was not authorized to release details of the investigation to the media.
Linkjust heard this on the news. seems this guy was trying to get someone to open the door and trip the traps. Making comparisons to the Sweden killer who set off a bomb to distract police.
YEah, but did he use a gun?
 
Snogger, I assume the vast majority of us here understand what you're saying. He almost certainly has mental issues, but is likely not out of touch with reality or unable to understand his actions. The Christos and Timmy's will pick apart every little thing someone says; don't get why.
:shrug:I wasn't as clear as I should have been.. I guess :mellow: But thanks. :thumbup:
 
Police arrived at Holmes' apartment to find "techno-music" blaring from the one-bedroom, according to a law enforcement source, who spoke on condition of anonymity.

The music was on a timer and apparently started once he left for the movie theater, said the source, who was not authorized to release details of the investigation to the media.
Linkjust heard this on the news. seems this guy was trying to get someone to open the door and trip the traps. Making comparisons to the Sweden killer who set off a bomb to distract police.
YEah, but did he use a gun?
Killed seven with bombs, 80 with guns. In Colorado, none with bombs, 12 with guns.
 
Find me a story of this happening in the past six months from anywhere else in the first world.This is a largely American phenomenon. (not exclusively, but our rates of frequency outstrip any other 1st world country out there).Did this kid get his guns from the black market?Nope, legally bought:The weapons were bought from two local stores of national chains, Gander Mountain Guns and Bass Pro Shop, beginning in May, law enforcement officials told NBCSorry, but we have to lock down firearms in this country. We are too crazy as a nation for them to be available to anyone not willing to buy them from cops.
Canada, but that is not why I am commenting here.While I feel it should be harder for people to own, carry, sell guns, this was a well thought out planned attack. He knew what he was doing. He was going to get his hands on these guns. He knew how to cause a confusion. You won't hear it on the news, but this was a Cimemark, which all the Cimemarks I have been in im LA has a no gun/carry policy. What does Columbine, VA Tech, Ohio School, this movie theater have in common? They all occured in no gun zones where law bidding citizens follow the rules.We just hear of an elderly man with a CCP stopping an armed robbery in Florida this week. It may have been a big media driven story if those two went into the internet cafe and shot as many people as they could.
I'm an executive at a movie theater company and our policy is to NOT put up "Guns Banned" signs for this exact reason. If a Conceal Carry customer could've taken action it might've saved lives.
 
Police arrived at Holmes' apartment to find "techno-music" blaring from the one-bedroom, according to a law enforcement source, who spoke on condition of anonymity.

The music was on a timer and apparently started once he left for the movie theater, said the source, who was not authorized to release details of the investigation to the media.
Linkjust heard this on the news. seems this guy was trying to get someone to open the door and trip the traps. Making comparisons to the Sweden killer who set off a bomb to distract police.
YEah, but did he use a gun?
Killed seven with bombs, 80 with guns. In Colorado, none with bombs, 12 with guns.
not sure what the question was about? I'm not saying his slayings were like the Sweden guy, but it appears he tried to rig a bomb (and played loud music to entice someone to open the door and set off the bomb) at the same time as he was shooting up somewhere else to create a diversion for LE.

the level of both crimes is not related, just the planning aspect

 
Find me a story of this happening in the past six months from anywhere else in the first world.This is a largely American phenomenon. (not exclusively, but our rates of frequency outstrip any other 1st world country out there).Did this kid get his guns from the black market?Nope, legally bought:The weapons were bought from two local stores of national chains, Gander Mountain Guns and Bass Pro Shop, beginning in May, law enforcement officials told NBCSorry, but we have to lock down firearms in this country. We are too crazy as a nation for them to be available to anyone not willing to buy them from cops.
Canada, but that is not why I am commenting here.While I feel it should be harder for people to own, carry, sell guns, this was a well thought out planned attack. He knew what he was doing. He was going to get his hands on these guns. He knew how to cause a confusion. You won't hear it on the news, but this was a Cimemark, which all the Cimemarks I have been in im LA has a no gun/carry policy. What does Columbine, VA Tech, Ohio School, this movie theater have in common? They all occured in no gun zones where law bidding citizens follow the rules.We just hear of an elderly man with a CCP stopping an armed robbery in Florida this week. It may have been a big media driven story if those two went into the internet cafe and shot as many people as they could.
I'm an executive at a movie theater company and our policy is to NOT put up "Guns Banned" signs for this exact reason. If a Conceal Carry customer could've taken action it might've saved lives.
Honestly I just don't understand this argument. I lived in Canada for a number of years and I couldn't tell you where to pick up an ar-15. Could someone get one in canada...sure, probably. But it would be damn hard. This guy wasn't a criminal, he didn't have a ton of criminal connections. He was mentally ill and bought a gun designed to do nothing but kill people with extreme ease. In a nation where 10% of the nation is on some sort of anti-depressant or anti-anxiety there is a hell of a lot of the population lining up for these events. it takes one person with nothing to live for and a couple of bucks to pull this off.
 
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Snogger, I assume the vast majority of us here understand what you're saying. He almost certainly has mental issues, but is likely not out of touch with reality or unable to understand his actions. The Christos and Timmy's will pick apart every little thing someone says; don't get why.
Really? You understood what he meant when he said the guy was psycho but not mentally ill? I didn't.
 
Crazy person did a crazy thing--no way to stop it if a mental health professionals didn't catch it at some time in their life.
The guy is not crazy.
Really?
The shooter bought a ticket and walked into the movie theater. According to FBI sources, he left by an emergency exit, propped it open, dressed in protective black clothing and gathered weapons from his car parked behind the exit. He returned through the emergency door about half an hour into the film, dressed all in black; he was wearing a ballistic helmet, a tactical ballistic vest, ballistic leggings, a throat protector and a groin protector and a gas mask, and black tactical gloves.
Silly me, I read that thinking you were going to try to explain how the guy is not crazy.
Why don't you wait until the guy explains his motive, if he talks, that is. I would agree he is crazy if he overreacted to someone opening a can of tuna fish.
 
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It is like talking to a :wall:

I've explained myself.. If you don't agree you don't agree.. Last I looked we ALL have the right to our own opinions and in this regard this guy is NOT mentally ill when it come to the law.
That's not what you originally said.
I know and is why I tried to clarify it.. My bad. :bag: My Opinion from the many stories that I've read is that this guy is not mentally ill when it comes to the law..

Is he "sick in the head" in the head.. :yes: ... anyone that thinks taking innocent lives is OK has something wrong upstairs.

But in my opinion when someone spends weeks planning something like this, they also have the capability to understand the difference between right and wrong and therefore should not have the ability to use the "insanity" defense.

:shrug:
How do you classify the guy who shot Giffords? He planned out his act as well, and was clearly crazy.
 
Find me a story of this happening in the past six months from anywhere else in the first world.This is a largely American phenomenon. (not exclusively, but our rates of frequency outstrip any other 1st world country out there).Did this kid get his guns from the black market?Nope, legally bought:The weapons were bought from two local stores of national chains, Gander Mountain Guns and Bass Pro Shop, beginning in May, law enforcement officials told NBCSorry, but we have to lock down firearms in this country. We are too crazy as a nation for them to be available to anyone not willing to buy them from cops.
Canada, but that is not why I am commenting here.While I feel it should be harder for people to own, carry, sell guns, this was a well thought out planned attack. He knew what he was doing. He was going to get his hands on these guns. He knew how to cause a confusion. You won't hear it on the news, but this was a Cimemark, which all the Cimemarks I have been in im LA has a no gun/carry policy. What does Columbine, VA Tech, Ohio School, this movie theater have in common? They all occured in no gun zones where law bidding citizens follow the rules.We just hear of an elderly man with a CCP stopping an armed robbery in Florida this week. It may have been a big media driven story if those two went into the internet cafe and shot as many people as they could.
I'm an executive at a movie theater company and our policy is to NOT put up "Guns Banned" signs for this exact reason. If a Conceal Carry customer could've taken action it might've saved lives.
Honestly I just don't understand this argument. I lived in Canada for a number of years and I couldn't tell you where to pick up an ar-15. Could someone get one in canada...sure, probably. But it would be damn hard. This guy wasn't a criminal, he didn't have a ton of criminal connections. He was mentally ill and bought a gun designed to do nothing but kill people with extreme ease. In a nation where 10% of the nation is on some sort of anti-depressant or anti-anxiety there is a hell of a lot of the population lining up for these events. it takes one person with nothing to live for and a couple of bucks to pull this off.
I'm not sure how your post relates to the argument that perhaps someone in the audience that was carrying a gun could've changed the outcome.
 
How did a guy like this come up with the money to afford all the weapons and gear that he had?
I've heard that question a few times. At first, I just presumed he'd used credit cards and possibly even taken advantage of overdraft protection on a debit card or three.But than I remembered Occam's razor. It's far simpler to realize that this was a false flag attack masterminded by Browser Helper Object to ensure the United States is a signatory to the UN small arms treaty.

 
So what do they do with the theater? Gotta bulldoze now right?
I don't think they HAVE to bulldoze it, myself. Guess the theater owners and local community will play it by ear -- check back in a few years.
Did they keep columbine high school?
Kept the school, but tore down and replaced the library:

After the shootout, Columbine completely demolished its library, located above the cafeteria, since it was the site where most of the deaths occurred. The site was then turned into a memorial ceiling and atrium; a new, larger library was built on the hill where the shooting began and dedicated to the memory of the victims.
 
Tell you what, if there would have been a few people with concealed carry weapons in that theater, then he may not have gotten so many shots off. The law-abiding populace needs MORE guns, not less. The criminals and crazies will always have access to weapons. It is the law-abiding people who get hurt by gun control laws. Or do you think that criminals really pay attention to them?
Just what the situation needed to make things better - a bunch of people knocking over their drinks and popcorn and boxes of Sno-Caps to retrieve their peacemakers and start firing rounds in the general direction of a moving guy in a bulletproof vest in a darkened crowded theater. Yeah, great idea. :crazy: :loco:
 
Tell you what, if there would have been a few people with concealed carry weapons in that theater, then he may not have gotten so many shots off. The law-abiding populace needs MORE guns, not less. The criminals and crazies will always have access to weapons. It is the law-abiding people who get hurt by gun control laws. Or do you think that criminals really pay attention to them?
Just what the situation needed to make things better - a bunch of people knocking over their drinks and popcorn and boxes of Sno-Caps to retrieve their peacemakers and start firing rounds in the general direction of a moving guy in a bulletproof vest in a darkened crowded theater. Yeah, great idea. :crazy: :loco:
Don't forget the tear gas.
 
Tell you what, if there would have been a few people with concealed carry weapons in that theater, then he may not have gotten so many shots off. The law-abiding populace needs MORE guns, not less. The criminals and crazies will always have access to weapons. It is the law-abiding people who get hurt by gun control laws. Or do you think that criminals really pay attention to them?
Just what the situation needed to make things better - a bunch of people knocking over their drinks and popcorn and boxes of Sno-Caps to retrieve their peacemakers and start firing rounds in the general direction of a moving guy in a bulletproof vest in a darkened crowded theater. Yeah, great idea. :crazy: :loco:
Don't forget the tear gas.
It seems like a strange argument to me. Dark theatre and all of a sudden you have 10 people standing up shooting wildly into the darkness. How, as a law abiding citizen, do you tell if the guy across the theatre firing a gun is another law abiding citizen or another shooter, or the shooter. Its why the police generally wear uniforms.
 
Tell you what, if there would have been a few people with concealed carry weapons in that theater, then he may not have gotten so many shots off. The law-abiding populace needs MORE guns, not less. The criminals and crazies will always have access to weapons. It is the law-abiding people who get hurt by gun control laws. Or do you think that criminals really pay attention to them?
Just what the situation needed to make things better - a bunch of people knocking over their drinks and popcorn and boxes of Sno-Caps to retrieve their peacemakers and start firing rounds in the general direction of a moving guy in a bulletproof vest in a darkened crowded theater. Yeah, great idea. :crazy: :loco:
Don't forget the tear gas.
It seems like a strange argument to me. Dark theatre and all of a sudden you have 10 people standing up shooting wildly into the darkness. How, as a law abiding citizen, do you tell if the guy across the theatre firing a gun is another law abiding citizen or another shooter, or the shooter. Its why the police generally wear uniforms.
Didn't you know once you get your CCW you become John Rambo every time you pull your piece?
 
It is like talking to a :wall:

I've explained myself.. If you don't agree you don't agree.. Last I looked we ALL have the right to our own opinions and in this regard this guy is NOT mentally ill when it come to the law.
That's not what you originally said.
I know and is why I tried to clarify it.. My bad. :bag: My Opinion from the many stories that I've read is that this guy is not mentally ill when it comes to the law..

Is he "sick in the head" in the head.. :yes: ... anyone that thinks taking innocent lives is OK has something wrong upstairs.

But in my opinion when someone spends weeks planning something like this, they also have the capability to understand the difference between right and wrong and therefore should not have the ability to use the "insanity" defense.

:shrug:
How do you classify the guy who shot Giffords? He planned out his act as well, and was clearly crazy.
I really wished we'd drop insanity defense when it comes to murder. If you're proven guilty of a murder like this...sorry, but this society no longer has a use for you. Throw them in a hole and fill it up with dirt.
 
Tell you what, if there would have been a few people with concealed carry weapons in that theater, then he may not have gotten so many shots off. The law-abiding populace needs MORE guns, not less. The criminals and crazies will always have access to weapons. It is the law-abiding people who get hurt by gun control laws. Or do you think that criminals really pay attention to them?
Just what the situation needed to make things better - a bunch of people knocking over their drinks and popcorn and boxes of Sno-Caps to retrieve their peacemakers and start firing rounds in the general direction of a moving guy in a bulletproof vest in a darkened crowded theater. Yeah, great idea. :crazy: :loco:
Don't forget the tear gas.
It seems like a strange argument to me. Dark theatre and all of a sudden you have 10 people standing up shooting wildly into the darkness. How, as a law abiding citizen, do you tell if the guy across the theatre firing a gun is another law abiding citizen or another shooter, or the shooter. Its why the police generally wear uniforms.
I'd be willing to bet that fewer than 70 people would get shot in your Wild West scenario.
 
Find me a story of this happening in the past six months from anywhere else in the first world.This is a largely American phenomenon. (not exclusively, but our rates of frequency outstrip any other 1st world country out there).Did this kid get his guns from the black market?Nope, legally bought:The weapons were bought from two local stores of national chains, Gander Mountain Guns and Bass Pro Shop, beginning in May, law enforcement officials told NBCSorry, but we have to lock down firearms in this country. We are too crazy as a nation for them to be available to anyone not willing to buy them from cops.
Canada, but that is not why I am commenting here.While I feel it should be harder for people to own, carry, sell guns, this was a well thought out planned attack. He knew what he was doing. He was going to get his hands on these guns. He knew how to cause a confusion. You won't hear it on the news, but this was a Cimemark, which all the Cimemarks I have been in im LA has a no gun/carry policy. What does Columbine, VA Tech, Ohio School, this movie theater have in common? They all occured in no gun zones where law bidding citizens follow the rules.We just hear of an elderly man with a CCP stopping an armed robbery in Florida this week. It may have been a big media driven story if those two went into the internet cafe and shot as many people as they could.
I'm an executive at a movie theater company and our policy is to NOT put up "Guns Banned" signs for this exact reason. If a Conceal Carry customer could've taken action it might've saved lives.
Honestly I just don't understand this argument. I lived in Canada for a number of years and I couldn't tell you where to pick up an ar-15. Could someone get one in canada...sure, probably. But it would be damn hard. This guy wasn't a criminal, he didn't have a ton of criminal connections. He was mentally ill and bought a gun designed to do nothing but kill people with extreme ease. In a nation where 10% of the nation is on some sort of anti-depressant or anti-anxiety there is a hell of a lot of the population lining up for these events. it takes one person with nothing to live for and a couple of bucks to pull this off.
I'm not sure how your post relates to the argument that perhaps someone in the audience that was carrying a gun could've changed the outcome.
People making this argument are assuming that audience members with guns could have created a more favorable outcome. However it is more likely that it would have caused more casualties. I don't think a layman is capable of hitting the correct target with people running around in the field of view, in the dark, while his vision is compromised by smoke and tear gas. The better argument would be if people jumped on the shooter they could have saved lives. But you can't blame them for not taking that action either, they were in flight mode.
 
Tell you what, if there would have been a few people with concealed carry weapons in that theater, then he may not have gotten so many shots off. The law-abiding populace needs MORE guns, not less. The criminals and crazies will always have access to weapons. It is the law-abiding people who get hurt by gun control laws. Or do you think that criminals really pay attention to them?
Just what the situation needed to make things better - a bunch of people knocking over their drinks and popcorn and boxes of Sno-Caps to retrieve their peacemakers and start firing rounds in the general direction of a moving guy in a bulletproof vest in a darkened crowded theater. Yeah, great idea. :crazy: :loco:
Don't forget the tear gas.
It seems like a strange argument to me. Dark theatre and all of a sudden you have 10 people standing up shooting wildly into the darkness. How, as a law abiding citizen, do you tell if the guy across the theatre firing a gun is another law abiding citizen or another shooter, or the shooter. Its why the police generally wear uniforms.
I'd be willing to bet that fewer than 70 people would get shot in your Wild West scenario.
And any law abiding gun owner that unintentionally kills an innocent bystander in the process will probably end up in jail for manslaughter.
 
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Find me a story of this happening in the past six months from anywhere else in the first world.This is a largely American phenomenon. (not exclusively, but our rates of frequency outstrip any other 1st world country out there).Did this kid get his guns from the black market?Nope, legally bought:The weapons were bought from two local stores of national chains, Gander Mountain Guns and Bass Pro Shop, beginning in May, law enforcement officials told NBCSorry, but we have to lock down firearms in this country. We are too crazy as a nation for them to be available to anyone not willing to buy them from cops.
Canada, but that is not why I am commenting here.While I feel it should be harder for people to own, carry, sell guns, this was a well thought out planned attack. He knew what he was doing. He was going to get his hands on these guns. He knew how to cause a confusion. You won't hear it on the news, but this was a Cimemark, which all the Cimemarks I have been in im LA has a no gun/carry policy. What does Columbine, VA Tech, Ohio School, this movie theater have in common? They all occured in no gun zones where law bidding citizens follow the rules.We just hear of an elderly man with a CCP stopping an armed robbery in Florida this week. It may have been a big media driven story if those two went into the internet cafe and shot as many people as they could.
I'm an executive at a movie theater company and our policy is to NOT put up "Guns Banned" signs for this exact reason. If a Conceal Carry customer could've taken action it might've saved lives.
Honestly I just don't understand this argument. I lived in Canada for a number of years and I couldn't tell you where to pick up an ar-15. Could someone get one in canada...sure, probably. But it would be damn hard. This guy wasn't a criminal, he didn't have a ton of criminal connections. He was mentally ill and bought a gun designed to do nothing but kill people with extreme ease. In a nation where 10% of the nation is on some sort of anti-depressant or anti-anxiety there is a hell of a lot of the population lining up for these events. it takes one person with nothing to live for and a couple of bucks to pull this off.
Two seperate arguments here. Should law bidding citizens be able to carry a handgun vs should a law bidding citizen be able to buy an AR-15?
 
Find me a story of this happening in the past six months from anywhere else in the first world.This is a largely American phenomenon. (not exclusively, but our rates of frequency outstrip any other 1st world country out there).Did this kid get his guns from the black market?Nope, legally bought:The weapons were bought from two local stores of national chains, Gander Mountain Guns and Bass Pro Shop, beginning in May, law enforcement officials told NBCSorry, but we have to lock down firearms in this country. We are too crazy as a nation for them to be available to anyone not willing to buy them from cops.
Canada, but that is not why I am commenting here.While I feel it should be harder for people to own, carry, sell guns, this was a well thought out planned attack. He knew what he was doing. He was going to get his hands on these guns. He knew how to cause a confusion. You won't hear it on the news, but this was a Cimemark, which all the Cimemarks I have been in im LA has a no gun/carry policy. What does Columbine, VA Tech, Ohio School, this movie theater have in common? They all occured in no gun zones where law bidding citizens follow the rules.We just hear of an elderly man with a CCP stopping an armed robbery in Florida this week. It may have been a big media driven story if those two went into the internet cafe and shot as many people as they could.
I'm an executive at a movie theater company and our policy is to NOT put up "Guns Banned" signs for this exact reason. If a Conceal Carry customer could've taken action it might've saved lives.
Honestly I just don't understand this argument. I lived in Canada for a number of years and I couldn't tell you where to pick up an ar-15. Could someone get one in canada...sure, probably. But it would be damn hard. This guy wasn't a criminal, he didn't have a ton of criminal connections. He was mentally ill and bought a gun designed to do nothing but kill people with extreme ease. In a nation where 10% of the nation is on some sort of anti-depressant or anti-anxiety there is a hell of a lot of the population lining up for these events. it takes one person with nothing to live for and a couple of bucks to pull this off.
I'm not sure how your post relates to the argument that perhaps someone in the audience that was carrying a gun could've changed the outcome.
People making this argument are assuming that audience members with guns could have created a more favorable outcome. However it is more likely that it would have caused more casualties. I don't think a layman is capable of hitting the correct target with people running around in the field of view, in the dark, while his vision is compromised by smoke and tear gas. The better argument would be if people jumped on the shooter they could have saved lives. But you can't blame them for not taking that action either, they were in flight mode.
I don't know because I wasn't there. But if I had the opportunity to get close enough to jump on him, I could have been more effective and cause no colateral risks with a point blank range gun shot to the head.
 
Find me a story of this happening in the past six months from anywhere else in the first world.This is a largely American phenomenon. (not exclusively, but our rates of frequency outstrip any other 1st world country out there).Did this kid get his guns from the black market?Nope, legally bought:The weapons were bought from two local stores of national chains, Gander Mountain Guns and Bass Pro Shop, beginning in May, law enforcement officials told NBCSorry, but we have to lock down firearms in this country. We are too crazy as a nation for them to be available to anyone not willing to buy them from cops.
Canada, but that is not why I am commenting here.While I feel it should be harder for people to own, carry, sell guns, this was a well thought out planned attack. He knew what he was doing. He was going to get his hands on these guns. He knew how to cause a confusion. You won't hear it on the news, but this was a Cimemark, which all the Cimemarks I have been in im LA has a no gun/carry policy. What does Columbine, VA Tech, Ohio School, this movie theater have in common? They all occured in no gun zones where law bidding citizens follow the rules.We just hear of an elderly man with a CCP stopping an armed robbery in Florida this week. It may have been a big media driven story if those two went into the internet cafe and shot as many people as they could.
I'm an executive at a movie theater company and our policy is to NOT put up "Guns Banned" signs for this exact reason. If a Conceal Carry customer could've taken action it might've saved lives.
Honestly I just don't understand this argument. I lived in Canada for a number of years and I couldn't tell you where to pick up an ar-15. Could someone get one in canada...sure, probably. But it would be damn hard. This guy wasn't a criminal, he didn't have a ton of criminal connections. He was mentally ill and bought a gun designed to do nothing but kill people with extreme ease. In a nation where 10% of the nation is on some sort of anti-depressant or anti-anxiety there is a hell of a lot of the population lining up for these events. it takes one person with nothing to live for and a couple of bucks to pull this off.
I'm not sure how your post relates to the argument that perhaps someone in the audience that was carrying a gun could've changed the outcome.
People making this argument are assuming that audience members with guns could have created a more favorable outcome. However it is more likely that it would have caused more casualties. I don't think a layman is capable of hitting the correct target with people running around in the field of view, in the dark, while his vision is compromised by smoke and tear gas. The better argument would be if people jumped on the shooter they could have saved lives. But you can't blame them for not taking that action either, they were in flight mode.
I don't know because I wasn't there. But if I had the opportunity to get close enough to jump on him, I could have been more effective and cause no colateral risks with a point blank range gun shot to the head.
I wonder if the body armor would protect against tasers. They wouldn't hit the skin, but would the electricity still give enough of a jolt?The helmet might take that, but he might get a concussion. Don't know anything about gasmasks if they have ballistic protection. I suppose point blank, stick the gun in his arm pit and fire.
 
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Find me a story of this happening in the past six months from anywhere else in the first world.This is a largely American phenomenon. (not exclusively, but our rates of frequency outstrip any other 1st world country out there).Did this kid get his guns from the black market?Nope, legally bought:The weapons were bought from two local stores of national chains, Gander Mountain Guns and Bass Pro Shop, beginning in May, law enforcement officials told NBCSorry, but we have to lock down firearms in this country. We are too crazy as a nation for them to be available to anyone not willing to buy them from cops.
Canada, but that is not why I am commenting here.While I feel it should be harder for people to own, carry, sell guns, this was a well thought out planned attack. He knew what he was doing. He was going to get his hands on these guns. He knew how to cause a confusion. You won't hear it on the news, but this was a Cimemark, which all the Cimemarks I have been in im LA has a no gun/carry policy. What does Columbine, VA Tech, Ohio School, this movie theater have in common? They all occured in no gun zones where law bidding citizens follow the rules.We just hear of an elderly man with a CCP stopping an armed robbery in Florida this week. It may have been a big media driven story if those two went into the internet cafe and shot as many people as they could.
I'm an executive at a movie theater company and our policy is to NOT put up "Guns Banned" signs for this exact reason. If a Conceal Carry customer could've taken action it might've saved lives.
Honestly I just don't understand this argument. I lived in Canada for a number of years and I couldn't tell you where to pick up an ar-15. Could someone get one in canada...sure, probably. But it would be damn hard. This guy wasn't a criminal, he didn't have a ton of criminal connections. He was mentally ill and bought a gun designed to do nothing but kill people with extreme ease. In a nation where 10% of the nation is on some sort of anti-depressant or anti-anxiety there is a hell of a lot of the population lining up for these events. it takes one person with nothing to live for and a couple of bucks to pull this off.
I'm not sure how your post relates to the argument that perhaps someone in the audience that was carrying a gun could've changed the outcome.
This argument is made here several times. I don't recall the same argument made in the Sandusky thread.
 
The similarity between his name, Jamie Rohr, and mine, Rohn Jambo, is purely ooincidental.
And this guy made the rounds to every major news network and told the same story and cried as he told it each time. I wanted to smack him in the face then and now to read this,I really want to punch him in the face. What a tool...
I saw this guy on one show and just wanted to punch him in the face after 3 seconds. I didn't know this part; even bigger doosh.
 

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