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Shooting at Texas church (1 Viewer)
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joffer
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ArbyMelt
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Was reading another msg board that somehow knew the shooter over an hour ago. His Facebook profile pic is an assault weapon, and has atheist links. Either his wife or sister (same last name) went to high school near the church and actually worked at the church from around 2008-13. Facebook account was deleted about 45 min ago.
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Ilov80s
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Modern technology- guns and cars kill like 70,000 Americans a year. It's insane when you think about it.
shader
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I’m sure the authorities deleted it before they released the name. Seems pretty standard practice.
beer 30
Footballguy
Not you, not sure why you post crap from Twitter like that. Please don't.
Yes, it's safe to go to any of those places. You just need to be vigilante and not walk around with your head down like 99% of the population. Be aware of your situation, you can get out of anything. Keep a level head and be sensible. Easy to say, very hard to do when bullets are flying. If you don't prepare for situations then you'll foolish in this day and age.
Chemical X
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same date, 8 years after the food hood shootings in texas.
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just fill in the city week after week, month after month, time after time.
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just fill in the city week after week, month after month, time after time.
Ilov80s
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If you are in a church and someone comes in with with an automatic or semi automatic weapon, the chances you are killed or significantly injured are mostly out of your hands. Ditto if here is a shooter high above firing into a huge crowd. There are certainly things you can do to slightly improve your chances of survival, but so much of it is in the hands of the shooter.
T J
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A) I was just passing on what the 15th District congressman fro Texas said (Vicente Gonzalez I think) and B) I’m pretty sure you know what was meant by the use of that word in the context it was used.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Absolutely and that is totally out of your control. I just think the idea that the people got killed at the church or vegas or wherever because they weren't paying attention- if they had just been more aware they would have survived. Ridiculous.
I said stuff like this. You can help certain types of mental illness. You can't stop something like this if a guy loses his mind.Ilov80s said:
Heck the guy in Vegas would not classify as mentally ill until he started carrying out his plan. Exactly how do you help that guy? Hey buddy, that's a lot of guns ya seem to be buying there, are ya gonna shoot a bunch of people? I think you may have a mental problem?
beer 30
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No doubt. I go to a very small church and think about this often. We intentionally sit in the back close to the entrance but if someone comes in shooting my name will be at the top of the list of those who were shot first. Sometimes there is nothing you can do but for those that sit further in, assuming someone doesn't come in through the exit door, they could easily run out of the building into the parking lot.Ilov80s said:
KCitons
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I agree. But as others have mentioned, maybe we start somewhere. If we identify 50% or 10%, at least we can make some kind of difference.
Not to bring up the alcohol analogy again. But, there have been changes to reverse the number of DUI fatalities. It's not at zero, but it's better than it was.
Phil Elliott
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"Internet forum" exactly why you shouldn't be careless with posting names.timschochet said:
culdeus
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Politician Spock
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Infowars is located just down the street, no?msommer said:
KCitons
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Changes like awareness, crack down on underage drinking, and mandatory DUI laws. Although the last one needs to be increased, along with firearm offenses.
culdeus
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There really isnt any signifcant difference in dui fatalities when taking into account better auto safety in general. This was covered in depth in the Vegas thread. Not worth covering again.
comfortably numb
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I'm sure you don't mean it that way but a lot of this comes off as disrespectful to people that have died in these attacks.beer 30 said:
Dickies
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This post has me thinking, which I appreciate. Does the political, social or religious message matter? If renting a Home Depot truck and running over bicyclists was done to further the cause of ISIS taking over the world, I find it laughable and easy to dismiss as delusional. All I see are dead bodies.Ilov80s said:
KCitons
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Are we having the same conversation? Why has the number of DUI fatalities decreased in the last decade?
Ilov80s
Footballguy
I agree the Vegas guy wasn't going to be stopped by mental health. He was on anti-depressants but so many people are and we don't really know what kind of conversations he had with his doctor about it.
We don't know anything about this guy so no reason to speculate yet about him.
The idea would be mental health would something invested in heavily from a young age and not wait until someone has a violent episode. Also, when episodes do happen, they should be taken more seriously. In my mid 20s, a couple of my friends were really into poker. We played a lot at the casinos, online and home games. We met a few guys our age at the casino and became friends. One of these guys we had known and hung out with for months had a total psychotic episode. He kept trying to light things on fire at my friends house, was talking about his Range Rover (did not have a car their yet alone a Range Rover), was just babbling making no sense. We threw him out of the house but he was just roaming about the house trying to light things on fire, banging on doors and windows, etc. So we call the police. The police have to taze him and arrest him. We explained to the cops the guy wasn't drunk or high, but had total mental breakdown (it kind of started the night before and escalated). We were very clear he was mentally unstable, was not making sense, was trying to light everything on fire, was eating non edible things, etc. They took him to jail. The next morning, what happens? Not only does he just get released, he tells the police to drop him back off at my friends house and they do.
culdeus
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Not looking to do 7 pages on this like vegas. It hasnt really gone down its more like flat. Maybe tiny bit down. All auto deaths are down and dui deaths are within the MoE of this. Also other factors like less cars on road in urban areas and poverty factors apply.
Again page thru the vegas thread. I wont further hipple this thread on this topic.
KCitons
Footballguy
Not trying to hipple this thread. Was just making the comparison of doing something that causes the needle to move. I think we owe it to ourselves and our children to at try.
Ilov80s
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So what's the solution in that case? Lock him up in a mental institution?
How many times do you hear from friends of these shooters. 'It's a total shock, I would never have suspected he would do something like this'. If people they know, friends, family have no idea, how are they going to produce a red flag of mental instability? You just can't stop this type of act via changes in mental health.
beer 30
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Tony Jabroni
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Devin Kelley--Young (early 20s) white male, dressed in tactical gear. Multiple weapons.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
IMO terrorism is about having a message. It could be to further the goals of ISIS to create a religious war, it could be to scare a minority group into submission, it could be to impact how people vote,it could be to spread fear in a community, spread an anti-technology message or something absurd like trying to spark the citizens of Green Bay into taking up arms and revolting against the US. Whether it is a real issue or something that only a delusional person could believe is a realistic cause, I see it as qualifying as terrorism. What wouldn't be terrorism is something like a guy is fired from his job so he shoots up the office or guy's wife cheats on him so he starts shooting her and other people at the mall.
Ilov80s
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He could have had a mental evaluation. They could have not brought him right back to the house of the person that called the police on him for refusing to leave their property. I mean it's not very complicated. How would you feel if you had to call the cops because a crazy person refused to leave your property and then the next morning the cops dropped him off in your driveway?
They at the least should have got into contact with his family and released him to them.
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shader
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Aerial Assault
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:( :(
Enough. Just enough.
Do something, CONGRESS. It's what you're paid to do, as opposed to certain other things you do.
Enough. Just enough.
Do something, CONGRESS. It's what you're paid to do, as opposed to certain other things you do.
GroveDiesel
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Reportedly former Air Force dishonorably discharged. As such, it was against the law for him to own a firearm.
Somehow, I don't think this will stop unsavory types from going after legal owners.
pantherclub
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It's a preventative measure, for occasions just such as these. It's also just a few guys.
pantherclub
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Jobber
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Our church has local cops directing traffic in and out It's a huge church. During service, the place has probably 3 or 4 uniformed cops in the foyer and hallways. Mostly to get coffee and stay warm, but with the added benefit of security.
