Should the Tush Push play be banned? (1 Viewer)

[Kiddnets]

Not sure whether it should be banned...but that's when I stopped watching the game. 4 or 5 of those in a row is just not football IMO.

This - boring and the refs are clueless how to call it. Time to go.

 

[TheDirtyWord]

As someone who supported not abolishing the play coming into the season...if they can't officiate it correctly...then that's a position changer.

 

[steelcityman]

Old man rant:

It’s not just the tush push. I think any play where there’s a pile of players and the ball carrier is pushed forward, the play should be blown dead right there.

Except the Bush push. The hell with ND.

Bush push was 20 years ago.
Philly butt grab is lame, and I agree, no pushing of any player with the ball. Of course the big OL can push a ball carrier 4-5-10 yards if they want to. Its silly.
I just love how Philly pays Saquon $20M to stand around and do nothing on a lot of plays. 14 touches in a divisional matchup is crazy to me. Like driving a Ferrari at 5 mph.

 

[Dizzy]

Four tush pushes in a row last night, I almost broke my TV. What an awful play.

Not sure if in the past they didn't show it, but they also clearly showed the offensive lineman moving early.

It's been talked about repeatedly in recent weeks and I think this is why other teams haven't been able to run it successfully. When others (Bills comes to mind) have tried, it looks disjointed and I'm guessing it's because the guards aren't moving until after the ball is snapped. That split second is everything in a play that relies entirely on leverage and gaining the low ground.

Not sure when or why they changed the rule to allow pushing the ball carrier, but anytime you change a rule you can bet all loopholes or advantages are being explored.

 

[Mitchie]

Four tush pushes in a row last night, I almost broke my TV. What an awful play.

Not sure if in the past they didn't show it, but they also clearly showed the offensive lineman moving early.

It's been talked about repeatedly in recent weeks and I think this is why other teams haven't been able to run it successfully. When others (Bills comes to mind) have tried, it looks disjointed and I'm guessing it's because the guards aren't moving until after the ball is snapped. That split second is everything in a play that relies entirely on leverage and gaining the low ground.

Not sure when or why they changed the rule to allow pushing the ball carrier, but anytime you change a rule you can bet all loopholes or advantages are being explored.

Think changed around 2005, credit to the Eagles for taking advantage of a play that seemed to have been forgotten with the resources they had and spending time on figuring out how to exploit the rules to their advantage, nothing really wrong with that but the play as things stand is bad for the league, and it's now time for it to be shot into the sun.

 

[Stoneworker]

Sean Payton on the Tush Push before last week's game

“I was one that stood up in favor of [the Tush Push]," Payton said during his Monday conference call with reporters. "The reason I stood up in favor of is pretty simple. If the powers to be don’t want it for aesthetic reasons, or competitive reasons, or it’s hard to officiate, etcetera. I’ve been involved in those meetings for a long time, and when all of the sudden health and safety was pulled into that, which might be the safest play in football, my [B.S.] nose kind of went up. It’s a quarterback sneak, and I think credit Philadelphia.

 

[Warhogs]

It’s probably showing my age but I’m not in favor of the tush push. I’m in favor of the old rule where you simply weren’t allowed to aide the runner at all.

 

[Dizzy]

For the sake of the game, we should let the OL get the jump on every snap, every play... then that part of the anti-tush push argument goes away.

 

[Nameath]

Yes because it’s rugby not football.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Forget how I voted but last night swayed me to “ban it” side.

 

[Proteus]

I'm tired of getting pushed in the tush with this non story.

You don't like it? Stop them. Put your balls on the block, eat more pasta, do more squats, do what you gotta do, but stop sniveling and STOP IT WITH YOR DEE FENCE.

 

[TheWinz]

If I had to coach against the push, I would bring in a few consultants to help me plan. Guys like Bill Lambier, Nolan Ryan, Ty Cobb, Ndamukong Suh, Conrad Dobler, Bill Romanowski, Tonya Harding. I may not be able to stop them, but their players are coming out of the pile missing body parts.

 

[fred_1_15301]

Forget how I voted but last night swayed me to “ban it” side.

Yup exactly where I’m at.

 

[32 Counter Pass]

I think banning a play is bad precedent. That said, I think there are solid arguments to take the play out of the game. If the league simply brought back the rule of making it illegal to aid the runner I think it would make the play much less effective, ultimately taking the play out of the game.

 

[jhib]

I think banning a play is bad precedent. That said, I think there are solid arguments to take the play out of the game. If the league simply brought back the rule of making it illegal to aid the runner I think it would make the play much less effective, ultimately taking the play out of the game.

Yeah, I compare this to the neutral zone trap in hockey. As a Devils fan, part of me always thought the rest of the league's fans just wanted it gone because the Devils were so good at it. Any other team could do it if they wanted, and if they wanted to stop it, then figure out a way to beat it! But it obviously wasn't a popular thing for the aesthetics of the game, so the NHL changed some rules to make it less effective while not explicitly banning it. Seems like they made the right move and the NFL is in a pretty analogous situation here.

 

[Smack Tripper]

There is no enshrinement of this play in history, it was not legal 20 years ago, as a player safety matter

I dont think the tush push per se is dangerous, but I dont like the pile moving on the other rugby scrums, I think thats inherently an injury waiting to happen

As for the push, I was agnostic if not a supporter but if they can't or won't enforce this false start component, it should go.

I equate this to when the league for a year or two allowed challenges on all calls and they got rid of it, ostensibly to give cover to the officials, IMO

They may need similar cover here as its a hard play to call and if they won't buzz in to get it right, ban it.

 

[BladeRunner]

I think banning a play is bad precedent. That said, I think there are solid arguments to take the play out of the game. If the league simply brought back the rule of making it illegal to aid the runner I think it would make the play much less effective, ultimately taking the play out of the game.

Except, of course, there already is a rule regarding aiding the runner.

 

[rockaction]

Interesting. I’m going into Eagles Reddit but only to listen. Some rugby dudes having a debate. I’ll report, you decide.

 

[32 Counter Pass]

I think banning a play is bad precedent. That said, I think there are solid arguments to take the play out of the game. If the league simply brought back the rule of making it illegal to aid the runner I think it would make the play much less effective, ultimately taking the play out of the game.

Except, of course, there already is a rule regarding aiding the runner.

Correction, in 2005 the NFL lifted the ban on pushing runners.

How have you missed all the olinemen pushing a RB down field. There are numerous instances of this every game, or so it seems.

 

[Joe Bryant]

I know the explanation is the play is impossible to officiate.

Sounds crazy I know, but maybe a referee could try standing here at this angle so they could see?

https://x.com/LedyardNFLDraft/status/1976455456643219937

 

[Smack Tripper]

This should just be a play they "buzz in" on

I will say, if you banned the Push half of it, Hurts Tush would still drive great success here, the guy is an athlete with burst who squats 600 pounds

 

[Alex P Keaton]

I'm tired of getting pushed in the tush with this non story.

You don't like it? Stop them. Put your balls on the block, eat more pasta, do more squats, do what you gotta do, but stop sniveling and STOP IT WITH YOR DEE FENCE.

You don’t like penalties? Stop the illegal play.

 

[Alex P Keaton]

I think banning a play is bad precedent. That said, I think there are solid arguments to take the play out of the game. If the league simply brought back the rule of making it illegal to aid the runner I think it would make the play much less effective, ultimately taking the play out of the game.

Except, of course, there already is a rule regarding aiding the runner.

Correction, in 2005 the NFL lifted the ban on pushing runners.

How have you missed all the olinemen pushing a RB down field. There are numerous instances of this every game, or so it seems.

I haven’t missed it. I call it out frequently — Detroit is one of the teams that does it most often. It’s far more dangerous in open field than it is at the goalline IMO.

They should go back to the old rule — for all plays, not just at the goalline.