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[stevejohnson]

There have been 180 playoff teams in the 15 seasons since the NFL went to a 12-team playoff format (1990-2004). Of those 30 Super Bowl slots, 25 of them have been claimed by either first or second seeds, who get a first-round bye and a divisional-round home game. The other five Super berths were won by either a No. 3 seed (once, Carolina in 2003), or a No. 4 (four times, notably by Denver in 1997 and Baltimore in 2000, when both were wild-card entries that got a first-round home game in the old six-division alignment).A fifth or sixth seed has never made it to the Super Bowl in the 12-team format, and only two (1995 Colts and 1996 Jaguars) even stayed alive to the conference championship round. That's why the Jaguars, Steelers, Panthers and Redskins are going to have to buck history to make history.

 

[GreedoShotFirst]

There have been 180 playoff teams in the 15 seasons since the NFL went to a 12-team playoff format (1990-2004). Of those 30 Super Bowl slots, 25 of them have been claimed by either first or second seeds, who get a first-round bye and a divisional-round home game. The other five Super berths were won by either a No. 3 seed (once, Carolina in 2003), or a No. 4 (four times, notably by Denver in 1997 and Baltimore in 2000, when both were wild-card entries that got a first-round home game in the old six-division alignment).

A fifth or sixth seed has never made it to the Super Bowl in the 12-team format, and only two (1995 Colts and 1996 Jaguars) even stayed alive to the conference championship round. That's why the Jaguars, Steelers, Panthers and Redskins are going to have to buck history to make history.

shouldn't you be busy over at EPA instead of here harrassing Redskins/Steeler fans??

 

[stevejohnson]

There have been 180 playoff teams in the 15 seasons since the NFL went to a 12-team playoff format (1990-2004). Of those 30 Super Bowl slots, 25 of them have been claimed by either first or second seeds, who get a first-round bye and a divisional-round home game. The other five Super berths were won by either a No. 3 seed (once, Carolina in 2003), or a No. 4 (four times, notably by Denver in 1997 and Baltimore in 2000, when both were wild-card entries that got a first-round home game in the old six-division alignment).

A fifth or sixth seed has never made it to the Super Bowl in the 12-team format, and only two (1995 Colts and 1996 Jaguars) even stayed alive to the conference championship round. That's why the Jaguars, Steelers, Panthers and Redskins are going to have to buck history to make history.

EPA? Don't worry, the Skins will have plenty of time to go to the EPA after the Seahawks destroy them next week (if they even get past sorry ### Simms and the Bucs this week)

 

[redman]

Things that have me optimistic as a 'Skins fan:1) the NFC is still a weak conference, which means that the playoffs are wide open; 2) there's no potential home field opponent whose stadium really intimidates me (the Giants and the Bears are the two toughest potential places to play), and the 'Skins have beaten both teams;3) the 'Skins are playing their best football right now - their momentum is tremendous; 4) Gibbs is their coach and is 4-2 on the road in the playoffs. There is no doubt that this is still a tough assignment. Winning three games in a row just to reach the Super Bowl is extremely difficult. But unlike other years (last year's 8-8 Vikings squad comes to mind) this is one #6 seed that a lot of other teams are not going to want to face.

 

[jurb26]

Things that have me optimistic as a 'Skins fan:

1) the NFC is still a weak conference, which means that the playoffs are wide open;

2) there's no potential home field opponent whose stadium really intimidates me (the Giants and the Bears are the two toughest potential places to play), and the 'Skins have beaten both teams;

3) the 'Skins are playing their best football right now - their momentum is tremendous;

4) Gibbs is their coach and is 4-2 on the road in the playoffs.

There is no doubt that this is still a tough assignment. Winning three games in a row just to reach the Super Bowl is extremely difficult. But unlike other years (last year's 8-8 Vikings squad comes to mind) this is one #6 seed that a lot of other teams are not going to want to face.

I think you vastly underestimated how hard it is to play in Sea.

 

[redman]

Things that have me optimistic as a 'Skins fan:

1) the NFC is still a weak conference, which means that the playoffs are wide open;

2) there's no potential home field opponent whose stadium really intimidates me (the Giants and the Bears are the two toughest potential places to play), and the 'Skins have beaten both teams;

3) the 'Skins are playing their best football right now - their momentum is tremendous;

4) Gibbs is their coach and is 4-2 on the road in the playoffs. 

There is no doubt that this is still a tough assignment.  Winning three games in a row just to reach the Super Bowl is extremely difficult.  But unlike other years (last year's 8-8 Vikings squad comes to mind) this is one #6 seed that a lot of other teams are not going to want to face.

I think you vastly underestimated how hard it is to play in Sea.

Perhaps that's true. I just noticed over the last 4 seasons that they're 24-8 at home, including two 8-0 seasons. I've never heard anyone say that that's an intimidating venue like, for example, Philly though. That was my point.

 

[jetpack]

Bah. Streaks and stats are meant to be broken. Besides, these Steelers ain't any typical 9-7 team that backs into the #6 seed. I just read on a Steelers insider website that the Steelers are the first #6 seed with 11 wins since the NFL went to a 12 team playoff. That's a mighty tight clustering of quality teams atop the AFC and means, to me, that anything goes. And personally, I think you just jinxed the five teams ahead of the Steelers.

 

[Marvelous]

I think the NFC is really wide open this year. But the deck is stacked against a #6 seed like the Redskins. The AFC is much more difficult with the Colts and Patriots there. Both teams look really good. That will make an awesome Championship game.

 

[stevejohnson]

I think the NFC is really wide open this year. But the deck is stacked against a #6 seed like the Redskins.

The AFC is much more difficult with the Colts and Patriots there. Both teams look really good. That will make an awesome Championship game.

After watching the Deadskins struggle against an Eagles team that packed it in weeks ago, I think there is a good shot they get beat this week at the Bucs. Even if they somehow win, they have NO shot to beat the Seahawks.

 

[Bizkiteer]

What's the saying...."First time for everything!"

 

[stevejohnson]

What's the saying...."First time for everything!"

That's what keeps the bookies in business....people trying to buck the trends. those stats speak for themselves!

 

[Rayderr]

No wild card team has ever won the Super Bowl..... until the Raiders beat the Skins.No team has ever come back to win the Super Bowl after trailing by 10+ points. Until the Skins did it against the Broncos.I could go on. Simple fact is, nothing is absolute.

 

[GreedoShotFirst]

No wild card team has ever won the Super Bowl..... until the Raiders beat the Skins.

No team has ever come back to win the Super Bowl after trailing by 10+ points. Until the Skins did it against the Broncos.

I could go on. Simple fact is, nothing is absolute.

pretty sure that the 1980 Raiders who beat the Eagles were in a Wild Card team. Yup, 11-5, but the 11-5 Chargers won the division.

 

[stevejohnson]

No wild card team has ever won the Super Bowl..... until the Raiders beat the Skins.

No team has ever come back to win the Super Bowl after trailing by 10+ points. Until the Skins did it against the Broncos.

I could go on. Simple fact is, nothing is absolute.

Actually the Raiders beat the EAGLES. At least half of your "facts" here are wrong (you are most likely wrong about the 10 points but I don't feel like looking it up)Go ahead and bet the house on the Skins and Steelers! Good luck!

 

[Marvelous]

I think the NFC is really wide open this year.  But the deck is stacked against a #6 seed like the Redskins. 

The AFC is much more difficult with the Colts and Patriots there.  Both teams look really good.  That will make an awesome Championship game.

After watching the Deadskins struggle against an Eagles team that packed it in weeks ago, I think there is a good shot they get beat this week at the Bucs. Even if they somehow win, they have NO shot to beat the Seahawks.

If the Redskins that beat the Giants show up, I think they have a decent chance against the Seahawks. Any any given Sunday.....By the way, I thought the Eagles were playing pretty well against the Redskins. But that is not an excuse for the Redskin's poor play in the first half.

 

[Rayderr]

No wild card team has ever won the Super Bowl..... until the Raiders beat the Skins.

No team has ever come back to win the Super Bowl after trailing by 10+ points. Until the Skins did it against the Broncos.

I could go on. Simple fact is, nothing is absolute.

Actually the Raiders beat the EAGLES. At least half of your "facts" here are wrong (you are most likely wrong about the 10 points but I don't feel like looking it up)Go ahead and bet the house on the Skins and Steelers! Good luck!

sorry, had skins on my mind. I acutally remember during the broadcast, the annoncers brought up that fact about the 10+ point thing. had a little graphic and everything. Not saying that this indicates that it's thebottom seeded teams are going to the super bowl. Just that it's not a foregone conclusion based on past events.

 

[Godsbrother]

What's the saying...."First time for everything!"

That's what keeps the bookies in business....people trying to buck the trends. those stats speak for themselves!

Jeez with an attitude like yours why even play the wildcard games? The Redskins, Steelers, Jaguars and Panthers should just forfeit their games this week and the NFL should eliminate the #5 and #6 seeds entirely.I guess you won't bother to watch any of the playoff games this week since you already know that it is impossible for the Redskins, Steelers, Jaguars and Panthers to go to the Super Bowl.

 

[The_Man]

That's a misleading factoid, since the NFL dramatically overhauled the playoff/division system in 2002 and went to 4 divisions. With only three divisions, the 5 and 6 seeds could often be some really weak teams and the 4 seed was often a very good team that had caught fire at the end of the season but couldn't quite catch the division winner. The 12-4 2000 Ravens and the 1997 Broncos were a couple of #4 seed Wild Card teams that did this on the way to winning the Super Bowl.But now with four divisions, the 4 seed could be a fairly mediocre division champ, and the 5 (and even 6) seed could fill the role of the red hot Wild Card team.I will say that winning three straight on the road against increasingly tough competition is going to be very hard to do. But I wouldn't be surprised to see the 5 or 6 seed in either conference win a couple of games.Edit to add:Last year in the NFC the Wild Card teams won both the first round games as did the Jets in the AFC and were only a missed FG from going to the Championship game.In 2003, the Titans won on Wild Card weekend and gave the Pats all they could handle the next week.And in 2002, Atlanta won on Wild Card weekend. So another way to look at this is that ever since the playoff format changed in 2002, at least one Wild Card team has knocked off a division champ every year.But after that, things get tougher, because now the Wild Card teams are playing all their playoff games on the road.

 

[The_Man]

Guuess Stevejohnson won't be around to debate this thread any longer:

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[redman]

I think the NFC is really wide open this year.  But the deck is stacked against a #6 seed like the Redskins. 

The AFC is much more difficult with the Colts and Patriots there.  Both teams look really good.  That will make an awesome Championship game.

After watching the Deadskins struggle against an Eagles team that packed it in weeks ago, I think there is a good shot they get beat this week at the Bucs. Even if they somehow win, they have NO shot to beat the Seahawks.

The whole league has been dismissing them all year long. What you should pay attention to is the fact that the 'Skins made the plays they needed to make on the road in an obnoxious fan environment to come from behind to win. What's to be ashamed about with that when you're going to be facing that type of obstacle in the playoffs? The Eagles didn't pack it in. They played tough all game long, especially on defense.

 

[Ghost Rider]

While I think Pittsburgh is a better team than the Redskins, they would have a much tougher road to get to the Super Bowl than Washington. And as great as Washington has looked lately, they are still not a very good road team.The bottom line is this happens every year. A number 5 or 6 seed comes into the playoffs, maybe wins their first round game and then loses to the top seed who had a bye. The same thing will happen this year if Washington or Pittsburgh win this weekend.

 

[Stillers Jr.]

SteveJohnson obviously has an axe to grind and get's his jollies, riling people up. i'll humor you Stevie boy...Oh man you're wrong! The Steelers have a simple road to the SB! Having to play an extra game and all of them on the road! What could be easier!You aren't by chance a PhD are you?EDIT - Woops, just noticed Stevie Boy got banned...too bad. He was such a nice young man...wonder waht happened?

 

[CrossEyed]

I like the Steelers chances of getting at least the the AFC Championship game. Cincy is not playing well and cannot stop the run.Indy peaked a month ago and has been on cruise control ever since. Tough to ramp it back up after not playing a meaningful game since week 14. The Steelers might be catching them at the right time.It would be fun to have a Pittsburgh/NE rematch in Foxboro.

 

[fatness]

Skins and Steeler fans, Something to think about......

You're in the playoffs.

And the guy who started this thread is banned.

 

[DropKick]

I think the NFC is wide open and Washington has a legit shot. The AFC is tougher but the Steelers could pull this off. Granted, home field seems to be a huge play-off edge. I'm sure we'll see graphics on the historical percentage of home teams winning this weekend.I posted this in another thread but it has been done in the old (1985) play-off structure. As the #5 seed, New England won 3 road games to get to the Superbowl.N.Y. Jets were first Wild Card based on better conference record (9-3) than New England (8-4) and Denver (8-4). New England was second Wild Card ahead of Denver based on better record against common opponents (4-2 to Broncos' 3-3). Cincinnati finished ahead of Pittsburgh based on head-to-head sweep (2-0). Seattle finished ahead of San Diego based on head-to-head sweep (2-0). Dallas finished ahead of N.Y. Giants and Washington based on better head-to-head record (4-0 to Giants' 1-3 and Redskins' 1-3). N.Y. Giants were first Wild Card based on better conference record (8-4) than San Francisco (7-5) and Washington (6-6). San Francisco was second Wild Card based on head-to-head victory over Washington (1-0). Minnesota finished ahead of Detroit based on better division record (3-5 to Lions' 2-6). Wild-Card playoff: New England 26, N.Y. JETS 14 Divisional playoffs: MIAMI 24, Cleveland 21; New England 27, L.A. RAIDERS 20 AFC Championship: New England 31, MIAMI 14 Wild-Card playoff: N.Y. GIANTS 17, San Francisco 3 Divisional playoffs: L.A. RAMS 20, Dallas 0; CHICAGO 21, N.Y. Giants 0 NFC Championship: CHICAGO 24, L.A. Rams 0 Super Bowl XX: Chicago (NFC) 46, New England (AFC) 10, at Louisiana Superdome, New Orleans, Louisiana

 

[Rayderr]

There have been 180 playoff teams in the 15 seasons since the NFL went to a 12-team playoff format (1990-2004). Of those 30 Super Bowl slots, 25 of them have been claimed by either first or second seeds, who get a first-round bye and a divisional-round home game. The other five Super berths were won by either a No. 3 seed (once, Carolina in 2003), or a No. 4 (four times, notably by Denver in 1997 and Baltimore in 2000, when both were wild-card entries that got a first-round home game in the old six-division alignment).

A fifth or sixth seed has never made it to the Super Bowl in the 12-team format, and only two (1995 Colts and 1996 Jaguars) even stayed alive to the conference championship round. That's why the Jaguars, Steelers, Panthers and Redskins are going to have to buck history to make history.

Shame he's not around anymore to eat crow.

 

[Sheriff66]

Consider history bucked.....