In my 14 team league.. it was my team.. We scored the 2nd most points & missed the playoffs. We lost this week by 1 point & if we had won we would of ended up in 2nd place.. We played Deangelo Williams & lost by one point & missed the playoffs. Really bunched up this year in that league..In my friends and family league my nephew is in first place at 12-1, while scoring a total of 1,814 points (second overall). His college roommate has scored 1,789 points, an average of 1.9/game less, and is in 7th place at 5-8.
I am in a very competitive 12-team league (every owner gives 100% even if they are out of it). This one team got the final playoff spot with the 6 seed over another team since he beat him in their only H2H regular season meeting. This team has the 2nd worst All Play record in the league at 44-99, yet finished at 7-6. He has the 2nd worst points for in the league, too, with only 883.40 (or 68.0 ppg) ... for comparative purposes, the best points for is 99.5 ppg and there are 2 other teams above 90ppg and 5 other teams at 80.0ppg or higher. Just to show you even more how lucky this team is, the only team worse than him this season was 1-12 (lost Brady in Quarter 1 of the season) and had an all play record of 34-109 (just 10 games worse) and averaged 67.6 ppg. These teams look so similar on paper, yet one benefited greatly from the H2H schedule, while the other crashed and burned.In my friends and family league my nephew is in first place at 12-1, while scoring a total of 1,814 points (second overall). His college roommate has scored 1,789 points, an average of 1.9/game less, and is in 7th place at 5-8.
This is the reason why total points is the 1st tie breaker in my league over head2headI am in a very competitive 12-team league (every owner gives 100% even if they are out of it). This one team got the final playoff spot with the 6 seed over another team since he beat him in their only H2H regular season meeting. This team has the 2nd worst All Play record in the league at 44-99, yet finished at 7-6. He has the 2nd worst points for in the league, too, with only 883.40 (or 68.0 ppg) ... for comparative purposes, the best points for is 99.5 ppg and there are 2 other teams above 90ppg and 5 other teams at 80.0ppg or higher. Just to show you even more how lucky this team is, the only team worse than him this season was 1-12 (lost Brady in Quarter 1 of the season) and had an all play record of 34-109 (just 10 games worse) and averaged 67.6 ppg. These teams look so similar on paper, yet one benefited greatly from the H2H schedule, while the other crashed and burned.In my friends and family league my nephew is in first place at 12-1, while scoring a total of 1,814 points (second overall). His college roommate has scored 1,789 points, an average of 1.9/game less, and is in 7th place at 5-8.
I actually think All Play is a better first tiebreaker, but people in the league are VERY vehement in their support for H2H. Their case is that we are a H2H league and we all know ahead of time that every single game could be very important in the end. I agree with you in that H2H is not good for tiebreakers. I acknowledge that the league is H2H, but for me it should end right there with your record and ties should be broken by the best way possible to determine which team is truly more deserving.I think All Play trumps Total Points (even though many times they yield the same result) b/c you could have a situation where one team has just a few more total points than another (virtually equivalent) and I think it makes more sense to reward the team who was the more consistent performer throughout the season over the one who have a monster week and scored 140 pts when the next best team only had 100 pts that week. To me, the mark of a better team is consistency, so I would rather a team be scoring 10 more points in 4 straight games than 10 less in 3 of them and 40 more in one of them.blackjack23 said:This is the reason why total points is the 1st tie breaker in my league over head2head' said:I am in a very competitive 12-team league (every owner gives 100% even if they are out of it). This one team got the final playoff spot with the 6 seed over another team since he beat him in their only H2H regular season meeting. This team has the 2nd worst All Play record in the league at 44-99, yet finished at 7-6. He has the 2nd worst points for in the league, too, with only 883.40 (or 68.0 ppg) ... for comparative purposes, the best points for is 99.5 ppg and there are 2 other teams above 90ppg and 5 other teams at 80.0ppg or higher. Just to show you even more how lucky this team is, the only team worse than him this season was 1-12 (lost Brady in Quarter 1 of the season) and had an all play record of 34-109 (just 10 games worse) and averaged 67.6 ppg. These teams look so similar on paper, yet one benefited greatly from the H2H schedule, while the other crashed and burned.CrossEyed said:In my friends and family league my nephew is in first place at 12-1, while scoring a total of 1,814 points (second overall). His college roommate has scored 1,789 points, an average of 1.9/game less, and is in 7th place at 5-8.
I can't think of a good argument for the 1st tie breaker not to be total points. In my bigger money league one of the two wild card spots is allocated to the team in the league that didn't qualify for the playoffs but had the most points of the teams that didn't, this usually assures that the best teams get into the playoffs, I actually slipped in through this wild card spot this year otherwise I wouldn't have made it though I have the 2nd most total points in our league.blackjack23 said:This is the reason why total points is the 1st tie breaker in my league over head2head' said:I am in a very competitive 12-team league (every owner gives 100% even if they are out of it). This one team got the final playoff spot with the 6 seed over another team since he beat him in their only H2H regular season meeting. This team has the 2nd worst All Play record in the league at 44-99, yet finished at 7-6. He has the 2nd worst points for in the league, too, with only 883.40 (or 68.0 ppg) ... for comparative purposes, the best points for is 99.5 ppg and there are 2 other teams above 90ppg and 5 other teams at 80.0ppg or higher. Just to show you even more how lucky this team is, the only team worse than him this season was 1-12 (lost Brady in Quarter 1 of the season) and had an all play record of 34-109 (just 10 games worse) and averaged 67.6 ppg. These teams look so similar on paper, yet one benefited greatly from the H2H schedule, while the other crashed and burned.CrossEyed said:In my friends and family league my nephew is in first place at 12-1, while scoring a total of 1,814 points (second overall). His college roommate has scored 1,789 points, an average of 1.9/game less, and is in 7th place at 5-8.
Actually this is the reason to ditch H2H altogether and go with All-Play (or total points if you must).I actually think All Play is a better first tiebreaker, but people in the league are VERY vehement in their support for H2H. Their case is that we are a H2H league and we all know ahead of time that every single game could be very important in the end. I agree with you in that H2H is not good for tiebreakers. I acknowledge that the league is H2H, but for me it should end right there with your record and ties should be broken by the best way possible to determine which team is truly more deserving.I think All Play trumps Total Points (even though many times they yield the same result) b/c you could have a situation where one team has just a few more total points than another (virtually equivalent) and I think it makes more sense to reward the team who was the more consistent performer throughout the season over the one who have a monster week and scored 140 pts when the next best team only had 100 pts that week. To me, the mark of a better team is consistency, so I would rather a team be scoring 10 more points in 4 straight games than 10 less in 3 of them and 40 more in one of them.blackjack23 said:This is the reason why total points is the 1st tie breaker in my league over head2head' said:I am in a very competitive 12-team league (every owner gives 100% even if they are out of it). This one team got the final playoff spot with the 6 seed over another team since he beat him in their only H2H regular season meeting. This team has the 2nd worst All Play record in the league at 44-99, yet finished at 7-6. He has the 2nd worst points for in the league, too, with only 883.40 (or 68.0 ppg) ... for comparative purposes, the best points for is 99.5 ppg and there are 2 other teams above 90ppg and 5 other teams at 80.0ppg or higher. Just to show you even more how lucky this team is, the only team worse than him this season was 1-12 (lost Brady in Quarter 1 of the season) and had an all play record of 34-109 (just 10 games worse) and averaged 67.6 ppg. These teams look so similar on paper, yet one benefited greatly from the H2H schedule, while the other crashed and burned.CrossEyed said:In my friends and family league my nephew is in first place at 12-1, while scoring a total of 1,814 points (second overall). His college roommate has scored 1,789 points, an average of 1.9/game less, and is in 7th place at 5-8.
There is a fine line for most people. My one league has tons of trash talking amongst friends, so we like the H2H format for that reason alone (it's more fun to talk trash to your opponent than to no one person in particular). I just draw the line there with H2H and say H2H is just for determining your record and All Play should be used for all tiebreakers.Actually this is the reason to ditch H2H altogether and go with All-Play (or total points if you must).
They are already making fun of me on our site BUT....The season has now ended.I had the Steelers Defense when their lateral return for a TD was canceled.So without that TD I only needed 3 points out of Evans that Monday night. IN a PPR league. So 2 catches for 10 yards I win. He gets 1 target, no catches so I lose.I went from a BYE to playing in the first round :(CrossEyed said:In my friends and family league my nephew is in first place at 12-1, while scoring a total of 1,814 points (second overall). His college roommate has scored 1,789 points, an average of 1.9/game less, and is in 7th place at 5-8.
I didn't mention this, but the 7-6 team I referred to in my first post in this thread essentially can thank the NYG D for his playoff spot. He was losing by 2.5 pts heading into MNF that particular week and his opponent only had the NYG defense. My league gives a range of positive/negative pts for defensive yardage and total points allowed by a team. NYG scored -6 pts (worst possible point total for a defense in my league) in this game since they did not have any positive pts (sacks, turnovers, etc.). Anyway, had this not occurred, the 7-6 team would not have made the playoffs.earlier in the season guy goes into monday night w/an ~11 point lead and toomer + nyg def (vs cle) to play, which should have been a slam dunk as his opponent only had jamal lewis left.as you might remember, cle ran over the giants that night giving him -1 for their def, toomer got 0, while jamal lewis picked up about an extra point just running out the clock to give his owner a half point upset.so, the way it all shakes out, if the nyg def owner loses this week that will cost him a playoff berth.
holy crap ... if i didn't know better, i would say you are making it up ... that team is clearly a playoff teamThis 10-team-league squad didn't make the playoffs. Finished as second-highest scorer at least 4 or 5 times, but happened to be playing the one team that could have beaten them each time.Guy had a nearly perfect draft and then made really smart trades early in the year. Just couldn't catch a break.QB: Cutler/OrtonRB: Portis/Westbrook/DeAngelo/HightowerWR: B Marshall/Fitzgerald/Roddy White/Colston/AveryTE: Owen Daniels/Zach MillerPK: KaedingDT: Chargers/DolphinsAt least he'll have the solace of seeing half his team drafted in the first 3 rounds next year!
Yeah, it seems fake or like a guppy league supersquad, but neither is the case. It's a 17-year old, very competitive league.He traded his second and fourth round picks to get an extra late first, so his draft started out:Rd 1. WestbrookRd 1. PortsRd 3. ColstonRd 5. MarshallRd 6. R. WhiteRd 7. CutlerHe then made a bunch of moves in the first three weeks that got him Fitzgerald and DeAngelo (just before they both blew up).I actually felt bad for him. But not THAT bad.holy crap ... if i didn't know better, i would say you are making it up ... that team is clearly a playoff teamThis 10-team-league squad didn't make the playoffs. Finished as second-highest scorer at least 4 or 5 times, but happened to be playing the one team that could have beaten them each time.Guy had a nearly perfect draft and then made really smart trades early in the year. Just couldn't catch a break.QB: Cutler/OrtonRB: Portis/Westbrook/DeAngelo/HightowerWR: B Marshall/Fitzgerald/Roddy White/Colston/AveryTE: Owen Daniels/Zach MillerPK: KaedingDT: Chargers/DolphinsAt least he'll have the solace of seeing half his team drafted in the first 3 rounds next year!
That's very interesting. I know people throw out that "the highest scoring team or teams missed the playoffs" quite often. I am often curious as to how much higher scoring these teams are than the league average. For example, in your league with so many teams so close together I could see the highest scoring team being at, say, 1200 pts for the season and then the next highest at 1197 and the next highest at 1195 and then the 10th highest at 1150. So, if that were the case, being the highest scoring teams really isn't indicative of having the best team since there were many teams closely bunched together.So, what was the difference b/w the 3 highest scoring teams and maybe the next 3 highest scoring teams (point totals)?In the league I've been running since the 90's, 10 of the 12 teams finished either 7-6 or 6-7, the team that everyone thought had the worst draft finished with the best record in the league (8-5), and the 3 highest scoring teams all finished 6-7 and missed the playoffs. Absolutely unreal. Crazy season...
That's rough.In a 12 team dynasty league this year, one team is 1st in All-Played and 1st in points. However, he finished the season in 7th place.Granted, the top seven teams were tight, but we even use Double Headers every week. I have never seen anything like it. Luckily, it wasn't me.
That sounds like dumb luck since not only did you drop Rodgers, but nobody in your league was savvy enough to pick him up before you could?Drafted Rogers late, dropped him week one for Warner and picked him back up again week 2. Warner #1, Rogers #2 all year long baby! Finished #2 and sitting on a bye this week. RB's and WR's hurt on and off all year but these guys have been STUDS!!!!!
The guy in my league who missed the playoffs at 6-7 scored a league-high 1470 pts, compared to the league average of 1356. Only two other teams cracked 1400 points and they were both barely above that mark. Not surprisingly, they have the best records (9-4) and the first round byes.He had these guys on his team:McNabbSchaubRodgers (traded for Rodgers late in the season)FitzgeraldSteve SmithCurtisAveryLTTurnerDeAngelo WilliamsStewartSlatonSchefflerKellerI know people throw out that "the highest scoring team or teams missed the playoffs" quite often. I am often curious as to how much higher scoring these teams are than the league average. For example, in your league with so many teams so close together I could see the highest scoring team being at, say, 1200 pts for the season and then the next highest at 1197 and the next highest at 1195 and then the 10th highest at 1150. So, if that were the case, being the highest scoring teams really isn't indicative of having the best team since there were many teams closely bunched together.