bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
He better be the second coming of troy p or sean taylor if he plays saftey and they take him at 3
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So, who will the Chargers pick? (1 Viewer)
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bud29
Footballguy
I've seen this plastered all over twitter as well, but is it really based off info from the Chargers? Most of the tweets I read say something like "a handful of GMs have Stanley ranked above Tunsil, per source" and then speculate that the Bolts could be one. SD has been pretty tight-lipped concerning info about 1.03.
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Chaka
Footballguy
DanFouts
Footballguy
That would suck...Stanley more like a 1.15 pick not a 1.3.
Take Ramsey off the board there and trade him if you don't want him....lots of teams think Chargers bluffing and they all want Ramsey.
ILUVBEER99
Footballguy
If Ramsey isn't #3 pick whoever is making decisions needs to be fired. Huge no brainer to take him.
massraider
Footballguy
Yeah?
I love corners and safeties, but man.......#3 is early.
If there is a guy up there that is closer to the ball, I would prefer that.
Tau837
Footballguy
Disagree 100%. So it is not a "huge nobrainer."
The Chargers had an All Pro free safety for the past several years, yet their defense has been bad to awful. Why? Mainly because they have had one of the worst DLs in the NFL. They gave up 2000 yards and 4.8 ypc rushing last season. I don't think Ramsey makes a huge impact on that. But adding Buckner (or Bosa) could.
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BoltBacker
Footballguy
Yeah, I don't know how they don't move down. Throw out the trade chart, "lose" the trade, just trade down and accumulate more picks. Really, they should be able to move down multiple times. Look at these two tiers as an example;
5. JAX 8 picks According to the trade calculator they SHOULD get pick #38 to make this work, just accept pick#69(maybe get pick#181 also). Jax is supposed to be very interested in Ramsey.
or
7. SF 12 picks(!) According to the trade calculator they should get picks #37, #105, and #142. I would have not problem with #37, #142, and #145. SF is supposed to be very interested in Buckner and Stanley.
Then you take that pick and target these teams rumored to be interested in moving up...
10. NYG 6 picks
11. CHI 9 picks
13. MIA 8 picks
14. OAK 8 picks(although the thought of possibly facing Elliot in that offense makes me sick)
15. TEN 9 picks
16. DET 10 picks(!)
All those teams are rumored to be interested in some combination of Elliot/Bosa/OT/Jack/Floyd/ or their favorite WR. Similarly "lose" on the trade value chart but you should get a middle first and about two mid picks. Ryan Kelly is probably one of the safest players in the draft and an instant starter... he'd be the starter before he even walked on stage. You get him if you move in front of INDY at 17(if DET traded up to #7 it would be for a LT so they could move Reiff to RT). Some of those teams have players they may throw in instead of the late draft pick. If the NYG's are moving up for Elliot they probably give up Jennings just to get him off the roster. TEN have Hunter/McBride BURIED on their bench. MIA has a salary situation with Jones. The rumors are DET is going to let Reiff walk away, they want to move Swanson to the bench, Van Noy has been a disappointment but is on a cheap contract and was thought to be a target of SD when drafted.
SD needs players.... a high volume of them. It's one of the effects of Telesco making the mistake of moving up in the draft so many times. They don't need to make a KILLING in their trades like TEN/CLE did to get 5+ contributing players out of the #3 overall pick. Well, unless you use all those middle picks on guys like Mager again, which is very possible with Telesco. Don't get me wrong, I'm pretty confident he'll get a top-15 talent with the #3 overall pick. I guess that is better than spending three picks on Gordon, though. It's still comical that they are going to pass on Elliot(maybe the next Thurman Thomas/Tomlinson/Gore type back) because they HAD TO draft a starter last year in the first round in a draft full of RB prospects. "Well, they needed a RB and they drafted a RB...... kudos dude. Another strong offseason for Telesco!" You can always tell when the strong off seasons start to pile up..... the tell-tale sign is drafting top 5.
BoltBacker
Footballguy
At this point maybe we should temper expectations. As long as he doesn't trade up for an ILB...... "another strong off season!".
Gr00vus
Footballguy
And, to be fair, Stanley is not a bad pick if they trade down to 7 or lower and take him. But at 3, that would be bad.
BoltBacker
Footballguy
At least he would have finally found a 3-down player! On the all-star roster he's assembled that is not an easy feat.... apparently.
BoltBacker
Footballguy
Have you ever known FOX news to be wrong?
FOX Sports' Alex Marvez reports the Chargers won't be taking Notre Dame OT Ronnie Stanley with the No. 3 overall pick.
It's looking more and more like the Bolts are zeroed in on Oregon DE DeForest Buckner, though Florida State DB Jalen Ramsey is also a possibility. The Bolts have major needs on both lines, but it's more urgent on defense. San Diego could field a quality offensive line if the unit in place simply gets better injury luck.
cr8f
Footballguy
Yes, but what happens when other teams laugh at you when you try and trade down?
Looks like no one is biting.
BoltBacker
Footballguy
Depends on if you are trying to get what you SHOULD be able to get, or if you are just accepting the best offer. At some point someone is willing to give a pick to move up and get their guy. I don't believe 31 NFL teams have NO interest in the #3 pick in the draft.
ILUVBEER99
Footballguy
haha, epic fail by SD.
BoltBacker
Footballguy
Not that bad, shocking they couldn't trade down though. Very safe pick. High floor. After completely ******** the bed last year they could only go up.
It helps that everyone compares him to Jared Allen. Loved that guy and if Bosa is anywhere close this is an A+ pick. Big if though.
BoltBacker
Footballguy
In passing situations, which is most downs now, he can play DE. They play a hybrid 3-4. Not quite a 3 down player bit closest they have come in two drafts now.
I would have taken what the Titans paid to move up and just taken Kelly given the choice though.
Gr00vus
Footballguy
Not awe inspiring, but I don't think it's a total screw up like last year. In terms of biggest weaknesses, D line was top of my list, so it's a good choice from that perspective. I guess we'll be following Buckner's career with some interest from now on. It'd be great if they could pair Bosa with a solid NT in the next round or two. If they do that, and Verrett can stay on the field, I think we could see a big improvement for the Chargers' D this season.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
Take one of them bama dline players and ill be ok
Tau837
Footballguy
Don't believe he is well suited to play 3-4 OLB, regardless of what Telesco and McCoy say. However, he should be fine at 3-4 DE. For one thing, he is 20 and should add weight over time. For another, his technique is very good, which should help him to overcome being a bit lighter than usual.
Tau837
Footballguy
As I see it, there are two choices here. Either take C Martin or double down and take another DL here. If they go the latter route, I think it is between DT Reed (Bama) and DT Bullard (Florida).
I am torn on this. Martin should start from day one, and that is probably the biggest need. But the Chargers DL was among the worst in the NFL last season, and adding Mebane, Bosa, and Reed/Bullard, plus better health from Liuget would make DL a strength on the team.
I suppose I would take Martin. If he is gone, then DL.
I am torn on this. Martin should start from day one, and that is probably the biggest need. But the Chargers DL was among the worst in the NFL last season, and adding Mebane, Bosa, and Reed/Bullard, plus better health from Liuget would make DL a strength on the team.
I suppose I would take Martin. If he is gone, then DL.
tommyGunZ
Footballguy
I suspect Jack will be off the board by the time we pick tomorrow - otherwise, who should we take with our high 2nd rounder? Vonn Bell (S) out of OSU? Mike Thomas to take Malcom Floyd's place? Hunter Henry to intern with Gates this year? We've seen how Belichick used 2 pass catching TE's. Jarren Reed to rotate with Mebane and eventually take over?
Nick Martin is a reach, so have to wait until the 3rd round to get our center.
Nick Martin is a reach, so have to wait until the 3rd round to get our center.
With the ease of flow of information online these days, this has to be one of the best kept secrets I've ever seen. NO ONE leaked this, mocked this, or saw this coming.
1. How were they able to keep this so quiet. This wasn't a panic move, they likely knew this would be the pick days ago as they knew the top 2 picks.
2. Why would they keep this quiet? No risk in telling the world who you are taking at #3 unless you're really trying to trade down. Maybe this was the case and they had no takers. This probably makes the most sense.
1. How were they able to keep this so quiet. This wasn't a panic move, they likely knew this would be the pick days ago as they knew the top 2 picks.
2. Why would they keep this quiet? No risk in telling the world who you are taking at #3 unless you're really trying to trade down. Maybe this was the case and they had no takers. This probably makes the most sense.
Tau837
Footballguy
IMO:
- Center (Martin) and DL (Reed or Bullard) should be the choices.
- Agree Martin is a reach here, so maybe try to trade down. If no takers, might need to consider taking him anyway, since center is the team's #1 priority right now, after the Bosa pick.
- Would not take Jack. Chargers have too many holes to take risks with their second round pick. They need a definite starter/heavy rotation player here, not a high risk/high reward pick.
- Benjamin is already set to replace Floyd, WR should not even be a consideration IMO.
- Similarly, second round is too early for a backup/apprentice TE IMO.
BoltBacker
Footballguy
So now it comes out BAL tried to trade up to #4 to take Ramsey? If so why wouldn't SD trade down to #6 for.... a ham sandwich?
BoltBacker
Footballguy
As always, they need to trade down. I don't buy nobody is interested in trading up. If they do have to stay there and draft.... assuming Spence is gone they should take either Whitehair or Nick Martin to help fix that interior line. It ruins the running game. It ruins the passing game. It ruins Rivers health as the season progresses. It's the reason Telesco will eventually be fired.tommyGunZ said:
This is why it's such a travesty not to sign a guy like Steve Wisniewski at C for ~$2mil and then you hope a long term solution to C falls to you. Same goes with S. Rahim Moore also signs a 1-year ~$2mil deal. I think the abomination that guys like Watt and Addae have been right up the middle of the offense/defense for a few years now...... can they afford NOT to reach? What are they really afraid of, they will be stuck with some actual depth on the roster for a change if they fill the position in the draft? Or worse yet, they could let a rookie actually acclimate to NFL game before being thrust into the starting lineup?
At least they finally signed a run-stuffing NT..... the year the draft is FULL of run-stuffing NT's. Ugh. I think you hope one of a dozen guys continues to slide to the 3rd/4th or simply take Javon Hargrave/Hassan Ridgeway, I would love to see SD draft those guys. They really need extra 3rd/4th rounders... TRADE DOWN TELESCO.
At S there is no reason to reach this early. Vonn Bell, TJ Green, Cravens, or Thompson will definitely be there in the third. One of them may even slip to the top of the 4th.
I am with you 'Gunz, in that I still think they need to think about a Malcolm Floyd replacement. People seem to think a 5'10", 172lb6 Benjamin is going to step in and play the Floyd(6'5",225lb)/Jackson(6'5",230lb) role..... and I just don't get it. That's not how Rivers wins with his receivers on the outside, never has. He isn't a Joe Flacco throw the ball to goal line and hope a fast guy runs underneath it or gets pass interference type QB. Generally, he's had big(and yes fast for their size) WR's on the outside that Rivers can throw to that have the size/height to fight for the completion. I just don't see that at all in Benjamin. If they try to do that with Benjamin I think we could see Robert Meacham 2.0 - and keep in mind that was a vertical offense. IMO they brought Benjamin in to replace Eddie Royal with better YAC. They really value that role(they overpaid Royal too). I am not saying they should take a WR at the top of the 2nd, but they would be wise to take a WR in this draft without a doubt. I don't want to rehash the whole Inman argument again but in a year rotoworld describes as "a biblical rash of injuries" to the WR's, in one of the most pass happy offenses in the NFL, with a franchise QB throwing to him Inman proved he was a 30/400/3 type of guy. One of the great things about Stevie Johnson is he has the flexibility to fit all the WR positions. Grooming a guy to take over that outside role makes a lot of sense.
Starting in the 5th round down to the 7th I'd like to see them target guys like;
Leontee Caroo
Keyarris Garrett
Malcolm Mitchell
Mike Thomas(S.Miss)
Demarcus Robinson
Moritz Boehringer
maybe even UFDA De'Runnya Wilson as a redzone threat because Rivers likes to throw to those guys. His sun-dial speed won't hurt near the GL.
Similarly, although I agree they need to take a TE to start to groom to take over for Gates I would only consider Hooper if he falls to the top of the 4th, or Higbee if falls to the top of the 6th.
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Tau837
Footballguy
I guess even Telesco can't #### up pick #3, so it starts in the second round this year.
tommyGunZ
Footballguy
tommyGunZ
Footballguy
Really? I'd probably have taken Jack, but I haven't seen his medicals, so I can't really complain.
No centers or safeties were worth 35, so why not by far the highest rated TE and then grab a C and Safety later? TE is a position of need and is a focal point of the Charger offense. Not only does this provide insurance for Gates in his last season, but if both are healthy they can run those 2 TE sets like NE did with Gronk and Hernandez and make defenses pick their poison.
BoltBacker
Footballguy
3 down starter >>>>>>>>> rotational player >>>>>>>>>>> pure backup
LMAO
Apparently Telesco thinks the 4-win roster he has built is so good he can't even find a guy at pick 35 that can be a rotational player. I thought he outdid himself last year. Pure genius.
Don't forget to vot to give these clowns $350mil, oh and build them $800+mil in "convention center improvements" that don't benifit them in any way. Remember, this is what you are paying for.
BoltBacker
Footballguy
You mean like the one they have refused to run for the past four seasons, even when the WR's were decimated with injuries?
tommyGunZ
Footballguy
Green sucked. It's great that he can run fast for a guy his size, but he never established himself and he had PLENTY of opportunities.
BoltBacker
Footballguy
BoltBacker
Footballguy
Billings, Bullard, Hargrave, Ridgeway..... all good DL choices here.
