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It’s very likely that Biden will be the nominee, and if not him Harris. In either case you’re not going to see the platform you’re anticipating. Why don’t you wait and see what it is before predicting it’s going to be Tom Hayden’s wet dream?
The current debate dais of the Democratic Party minus one is already Tom Hayden's dream, corporeal in every way.
He seems to support some parts of socialism.
Did a lefty lib (aka anyone not supporting Trump) say it!?! Socialism!!!and also ask any Trump supporter what Socialism is and the response will be
I was initially against the trade war because I thought it would harm the market more than it has. I have changed my opinion and strongly support the trade war now. China was raping us for so many years and when a deal is reached the long term gain will far exceed the short term pain.
A public option will be painted as a move towards socialism. So will measures to combat climate change and other items on the platform.
But, that doesn't make the policy any less Socialistic. Whether the outcome is good or bad, it is a more socialistic policy than not. When will the Republicans start shouting about the Farmer Bailout?
Agreed Trump is just saying this.
I am not nearly smart enough to understand the best way to solve this issue. I like reading the Obamacare failure thread on Mattyl's ideas. It seems like it will be impossible to keep coverage in pre-existing conditions and also keep rates reasonable without increasing taxes.
This reminds me of the Iran deal where Trump breaks the deal then spends ginormous amounts of energy and resources trying to be recreating what existed before just so he can paint himself a dealmaker.
Picking and winners and losers for political reasons has an awful lot more to do about the dangers of socialism than national healthcare or cheaper college. The rest of the industrialized world isn't "destroyed"
Added how much to the debt, trade deficit continues to rise, and American farmers, companies, and taxpayers being hurt.
When you poll individual aspects of “socialist” government programs (like features in ACA) they poll well above 50%, much higher than anything Trump would ever get, across the board.
The rest of the developed world figured this out long ago. They spend 1/2 what we spend per capital for superior outcomes. Seems pretty obvious that what we are doing is irrational and suboptimal.
It's not irrational and sub-optimal depending on what you value. Sub-optimal and irrational are merely descriptions of the steps taken to get to a chosen goal. You're presupposing the goal here and taking it as a given, when in fact the goal might be different to some people.
Not really. I sort of have said three times that I didn't want to debate really anything about socialism in this thread.
Bump. Interesting to me that neither @TripItUpnor anyone who agrees with him chose to answer these questions.
That’s the Carolina Panthers right?
I agree with the premise but it's too inflammatory -- and actually impossible -- to really go into it. A lot of those programs are transition programs from what was once a reliance on private funds and husbandry to a state guarantee of funds paid for by all. But that's not the problem. It's the format and sort of "Gotcha!" questioning you're undertaking. I mean, asking about sweeping government changes from 1933 like "The New Deal! What is it?" is a dissertation length answer. No, it's a tome-length one.
Is this just another example of people using words incorrectly in an effort to fear monger? We need jon_mx to the white courtesy phone....he said that sort of thing isn't happening today.
It’s not meant to be a gotcha question at all. Socialism is a very broad term. You and I have struggled with it, and all sorts of people struggle. So when somebody starts talking about socialism I want to know what they’re referring to- they may be talking about something very different from what I have in mind.
Almost all of these depend on one's definition/interpretation of socialism. The above are my interpretations.
The Green-Deal has lost some steam after we found out what it was really about. I said before though I don`t make enough money so any kind of federal help count me in. My wife has a significant amount of college debt and she does not work so I am hoping for that to be absolved eventually.
what's my socialism criteria?None of those things are a yes to your socialism criteria except Obamacare.
come on
