SotT Dynasty Rankings Quarterbacks (2009) (1 Viewer)

[Max Power]

Quarterback Rankings | December 11, 2008

QUARTERBACKS

TIER ONE

1. Peyton Manning, IND | Age: 33.5 | Value Score: 98

2. Drew Brees, NO | Age: 30.6 | Value Score: 98

3. Jay Cutler, DEN | Age: 26.3 | Value Score: 96

The most fun player to watch in the NFL? The one player with whom to start a franchise?

4. Tony Romo, DAL | Age: 29.4 | Value Score: 95

5. Matt Ryan, ATL | Age: 24.3 | Value Score: 93

Best rookie QB since Dan Marino? Since Greg Cook? Schedule is easy down the stretch as well. As an aside, just picture Matt Ryan going down with a career-ending major shoulder injury during this week's game against the Broncos. Now you know how Bengals fans felt in 1969. What could have been. . . .

6. [#]Tom Brady, NE | Age: 32.1 | Value Score: 93

Wading through all of the muck and the mire, it sounds to me like Brady still has a chance to be ready to play by training camp. The infection is worrisome, but Brady's upside isn't worth giving up for any of the second tier guys.

TIER TWO

7. Aaron Rodgers, GB | Age: 25.8 | Value Score: 86

He just keeps impressing more and more each week. May be injury prone, but you can take "soft" off the list of concerns for Favre's replacement. Rodgers has played in considerable pain and is still coming through with fantastic numbers.

8. Ben Roethlisberger, PIT | Age: 27.5 | Value Score: 85

9. Philip Rivers, SD | Age: 27.8 | Value Score: 84

Not matchup proof.

10. Matt Schaub, HOU | Age: 28.2 | Value Score: 82

That's now three separate stints he's missed to injuries in his season and a half with the Texans. No doubt he can play, but there are still low rumblings of a QB controversy among the Houston media. Schaub has a huge 2010 bonus coming, so he's going to have to show health and reliability for the next year and a half. If he succeeds, stud status awaits him.

11. Kurt Warner, ARI | Age: 38.3 | Contract: [uFA] | Value Score: 81

Do you want the on-pace stats or the last 16 games stats? Warner is on pace for 4,900 yards and 33 TDs this season with a 70.0% completion rate. His last 16 games show similar stats except with a higher TD total. If you're running him out there every week, you have a winning team.

12. Donovan McNabb, PHI[T] | Age: 32.7 | Value Score: 78

TIER THREE

13. Eli Manning, NYG | Age: 28.6 | Value Score: 68

14. #Carson Palmer, CIN | Age: 29.7 | Value Score: 64

The elbow injury is problematic enough, but there's no light at the end of the tunnel in Cincinnati. The Bengals have started the season 0-7 for the fifth time since Mike Brown took over control of the franchise in 1991. No other team has done it more than twice.

15. Joe Flacco, BAL | Age: 24.7 | Value Score: 62

The rookie has dropped back 111 straight times without a turnover and is starting to find the end zone weekly.

16. [#]Brady Quinn, CLE | Age: 24.9 | Value Score: 55

TIER FOUR

17. David Garrard, JAX | Age: 31.5 | Value Score: 43

Sorely missing that dominant running game.

18. #Trent Edwards, BUF | Age: 25.9 | Value Score: 39

The anointing oils were out way too quickly for a QB who can't get the ball in the end zone.

19. Jason Campbell, WAS | Age: 27.7 | Value Score: 38

He's shown dramatic game-to-game inconsistency ever since he took over in 2006.

20. Shaun Hill, SF | Age: 29.7 | Value Score: 36

21. #Matt Hasselbeck, SEA[x]| Age: 34.0 | Value Score: 33

22. Vince Young, TEN | Age: 25.3 | Value Score: 32

TIER FIVE

23. Matt Cassel, NE(U) | Age: 26.3 | Value Score: 24

24. Brett Favre, NYJ

| Age: 39.9 | Value Score: 2425. Kyle Orton, CHI | Age: 26.8 | Contract: Thru 2009 | Value Score: 23

He better turn it back on before the end of the season.

26. Kevin Kolb, PHI | Age: 25.0 | Value Score: 22

27. Matt Leinart, ARI | Age: 26.3 | Value Score: 21

How can the Cardinals not re-sign the leader in the MVP race?

28. Tyler Thigpen, KC | Age: 25.4 | Value Score: 20

Very intriguing value for the rest of the season, but his post-2008 value is up in the air. Will an NFL team really go into a season planning to use a shotgun/spread offense? It seems to me that Thigpen's 2008 production will go into the books as just another anomaly caused by a team going into desperation tailspin mode in a lost season.

29. Chad Pennington, MIA | Age: 33.2 | Contract: Thru 2009 | Value Score: 19

TIER SIX

30. Chad Henne, MIA | Age: 24.2 | Value Score: 12

31. Jake Delhomme, CAR | Age: 34.6 | Contract: Thru 2009 | Value Score: 12

Mediocre veterans are just wasting roster spots in Dynasty leagues.

32. [#]Derek Anderson, CLE[x] | Age: 26.2 | Value Score: 11

Where to next? Minnesota? Kansas City? Either way, we know he's a quarterback with a 55% completion rate.

33. Tarvaris Jackson, MIN | Age: 26.4 | Value Score: 10

34. Drew Stanton, DET | Age: 25.4 | Value Score: 9

The current Lions staff has zero confidence him.

35. #Jeff Garcia, TB(U) | Age: 39.5 | Value Score: 8

Maybe he has another year in him after all.

36. Byron Leftwich, PIT(U)| Age: 29.6 | Value Score: 6

37. #Daunte Culpepper, DET[x] | Age: 32.7 | Value Score: 6

Always a better fantasy than NFL QB, Culpepper returns from the dead to find Calvin Johnson streaking down the sidelines. Skepticism is advised.

38. JaMarcus Russell, OAK | Age: 24.1 | Value Score: 5

Time to throw in the towel?

39. Kerry Collins, TEN(U) | Age: 36.7 | Value Score: 5

40. Sage Rosenfels, HOU | Age: 31.5 | Contract: Thru 2009 | Value Score: 5

The Practically Perfect Backup QB hits the free agent market in 2010.

TIER SEVEN

41. Josh Johnson, TB | Age: 23.4 | Value Score: 4

42. Brian Brohm, GB | Age: 23.9 | Value Score: 4

43. Colt Brennan, WAS | Age: 26.0 | Value Score: 4

44. Marc Bulger, STL | Age: 32.4 | Value Score: 4

No light at the end of the tunnel after being pulled for Trent Green for the second time this season.

45. Seneca Wallace, SEA | Age: 29.1 | Value Score: 3

46. Dennis Dixon, PIT | Age: 24.7 | Value Score: 3

47. Kevin O'Connell, NE | Age: 24.5 | Value Score: 3

48. Luke McCown, TB(U) | Age: 28.2 | Value Score: 3

49. #Gus Frerotte, MIN | Age: 38.2 | Contract: Thru 2009 | Value Score: 3

50. *Michael Vick, ATL[x] | Age: 29.2 | Value Score: 3

How large is your roster?

TIER EIGHT

51. Dan Orlovsky, DET(U) | Age: 26.1 | Value Score: 2

52. Matt Moore, CAR | Age: 25.1 | Value Score: 2

Awful preseason lowers expectations about taking over for Delhomme anytime soon.

53. [#]Alex Smith, SF[x] | Age: 25.3 | Value Score: 2

54. [#]Jon Kitna, DET[x] | Age: 37.0 | Value Score: 2

55. J.P. Losman, BUF(U) | Age: 28.5 | Value Score: 2

Free agent after 2008 season.

56. Troy Smith, BAL | Age: 25.2 | Value Score: 2

57. Brian Griese, TB | Age: 34.5 | Value Score: 2

58. Billy Volek, SD | Age: 33.4 | Value Score: 2

59. Rex Grossman, CHI(U) |Age: 29.0 | Value Score: 2

60. Ryan Fitzpatrick, CIN(U) | Age: 26.8 | Value Score: 2

61. J.T. O'Sullivan, SF(U) | Age: 30.0 | Value Score: 2

Via con dios, O'Fumblekins.

62. Kellen Clemens, NYJ | Age: 26.3 | Value Score: 2

Matt Ryan at 5? Personally I love it.

I think Flacco has what it takes to be elite at this level.

Brady Quinn will be a bust.

 

[Max Power]

52. Matt Moore, CAR | Age: 25.1 | Value Score: 2

Awful preseason lowers expectations about taking over for Delhomme anytime soon.

is anybody still holding Moore?

 

[loose circuits]

With Tyler Thigpen's upside, you have to rank him higher. Even if they don't run the spread, that doesn't mean he won't compete to start. The kid makes plays.

i don't see Warner/McNabb with more value than Eli...no thanks long term

 

[Burning Sensation]

With this season drawing to a close, Warner is probably too high. No way would i trade Flacco for Warner this offseason.

 

[Fear & Loathing]

With this season drawing to a close, Warner is probably too high. No way would i trade Flacco for Warner this offseason.

That's understandable. A lot of people thought Warner was too high all year long. Meanwhile, Warner owners are putting trophies on the mantle. Flacco owners are hoping they might be able to play him every week sometime soon. If Warner is back in Arizona next season, and there are reasons to believe he will be, he remains a good shot to help you put another trophy on the mantle. Flacco is a nice roster decoration with solid potential.

 

[Max Power]

With Tyler Thigpen's upside, you have to rank him higher. Even if they don't run the spread, that doesn't mean he won't compete to start. The kid makes plays.

I guess you really have to be concerned with KC grabbing Bradford or Stafford in the draft. If that happens, Thigpen has no value

 

[Fear & Loathing]

With Tyler Thigpen's upside, you have to rank him higher. Even if they don't run the spread, that doesn't mean he won't compete to start. The kid makes plays.i don't see Warner/McNabb with more value than Eli...no thanks long term

I couldn't disagree more on Thigpen. If they don't run the spread, he won't be given any kind of a chance to start. If the Chiefs want to give Thigpen a shot again in 2009, they will definitely keep the spread. He was the reason they moved to the spread in the first place because he was awful under center. They figured if they gave him a shot to read defenses from a few yards back at the line of scrimmage and use his mobility, then he would have a chance to escape incompetence as a NFL QB. It worked extremely well for a few weeks, but he's not exactly lighting it up lately. I don't think he's the answer, and I think the Chiefs know it.Re: Eli. I would agree with you if I believed that Eli was actually a stud QB . . . or even anything close to an every week advantage. But he's just not. We know he can produce with the most dominant ground attack in the league and a true No. 1 WR. It’s different story without Brandon Jacobs and Plaxico Burress. Ask David Garrard what happens when the juggernaut running game slows to a crawl. McNabb has been producing with subpar receiving options for years. Let's see if Eli can do it.

 

[Burning Sensation]

With this season drawing to a close, Warner is probably too high. No way would i trade Flacco for Warner this offseason.

That's understandable. A lot of people thought Warner was too high all year long. Meanwhile, Warner owners are putting trophies on the mantle. Flacco owners are hoping they might be able to play him every week sometime soon. If Warner is back in Arizona next season, and there are reasons to believe he will be, he remains a good shot to help you put another trophy on the mantle. Flacco is a nice roster decoration with solid potential.

I never disagreed with your ranking of Warner this year, but like you said, "if" Warner comes back. Even if he doesn come back, will Boldin be there? Will Warner be as effective as this year? Will Leinart get his shot? Basically, alot of things fell into place this year for Warner, and im not so sure they will again next year. Flacco may not be a startable FF QB next year, but he has looked great as a rookie. While his suporting cast may limit his immediate upside, i think he has a very bright future, and could be a top 10 dynasty QB sooner than later.

 

[Fear & Loathing]

With this season drawing to a close, Warner is probably too high. No way would i trade Flacco for Warner this offseason.

That's understandable. A lot of people thought Warner was too high all year long. Meanwhile, Warner owners are putting trophies on the mantle. Flacco owners are hoping they might be able to play him every week sometime soon. If Warner is back in Arizona next season, and there are reasons to believe he will be, he remains a good shot to help you put another trophy on the mantle. Flacco is a nice roster decoration with solid potential.

I never disagreed with your ranking of Warner this year, but like you said, "if" Warner comes back. Even if he doesn come back, will Boldin be there? Will Warner be as effective as this year? Will Leinart get his shot? Basically, alot of things fell into place this year for Warner, and im not so sure they will again next year. Flacco may not be a startable FF QB next year, but he has looked great as a rookie. While his suporting cast may limit his immediate upside, i think he has a very bright future, and could be a top 10 dynasty QB sooner than later.

A lot of people thought Rex Grossman, J.P. Losman, and Jason Campbell would be Top-10 Dynasty QBs sooner than later -- and they spent a lot of time coming up with reasons why they believed in their special talent and promising future.I like the odds of Kurt Warner remaining a true stud next season better than the odds of Flacco ever becoming a stud. Warner's upside (see this season) is definitely worth the gamble.

 

[Burning Sensation]

With this season drawing to a close, Warner is probably too high. No way would i trade Flacco for Warner this offseason.

That's understandable. A lot of people thought Warner was too high all year long. Meanwhile, Warner owners are putting trophies on the mantle. Flacco owners are hoping they might be able to play him every week sometime soon. If Warner is back in Arizona next season, and there are reasons to believe he will be, he remains a good shot to help you put another trophy on the mantle. Flacco is a nice roster decoration with solid potential.

I never disagreed with your ranking of Warner this year, but like you said, "if" Warner comes back. Even if he doesn come back, will Boldin be there? Will Warner be as effective as this year? Will Leinart get his shot? Basically, alot of things fell into place this year for Warner, and im not so sure they will again next year. Flacco may not be a startable FF QB next year, but he has looked great as a rookie. While his suporting cast may limit his immediate upside, i think he has a very bright future, and could be a top 10 dynasty QB sooner than later.

A lot of people thought Rex Grossman, J.P. Losman, and Jason Campbell would be Top-10 Dynasty QBs sooner than later -- and they spent a lot of time coming up with reasons why they believed in their special talent and promising future.I like the odds of Kurt Warner remaining a true stud next season better than the odds of Flacco ever becoming a stud. Warner's upside (see this season) is definitely worth the gamble.

Alot of people also thought Drew Brees, Big Ben and Jay Cutler would be top 10 QB's sooner than later. I guess it makes sense to have Warner ranked higher than Flacco if you think he is the next Grossman or Campbell. I just think Flacco isnt getting the attention he deserves because he is being overshadowed by fellow rookie Matt Ryan.

 

[Max Power]

With this season drawing to a close, Warner is probably too high. No way would i trade Flacco for Warner this offseason.

That's understandable. A lot of people thought Warner was too high all year long. Meanwhile, Warner owners are putting trophies on the mantle. Flacco owners are hoping they might be able to play him every week sometime soon. If Warner is back in Arizona next season, and there are reasons to believe he will be, he remains a good shot to help you put another trophy on the mantle. Flacco is a nice roster decoration with solid potential.

I never disagreed with your ranking of Warner this year, but like you said, "if" Warner comes back. Even if he doesn come back, will Boldin be there? Will Warner be as effective as this year? Will Leinart get his shot? Basically, alot of things fell into place this year for Warner, and im not so sure they will again next year. Flacco may not be a startable FF QB next year, but he has looked great as a rookie. While his suporting cast may limit his immediate upside, i think he has a very bright future, and could be a top 10 dynasty QB sooner than later.

A lot of people thought Rex Grossman, J.P. Losman, and Jason Campbell would be Top-10 Dynasty QBs sooner than later -- and they spent a lot of time coming up with reasons why they believed in their special talent and promising future.I like the odds of Kurt Warner remaining a true stud next season better than the odds of Flacco ever becoming a stud. Warner's upside (see this season) is definitely worth the gamble.

Alot of people also thought Drew Brees, Big Ben and Jay Cutler would be top 10 QB's sooner than later. I guess it makes sense to have Warner ranked higher than Flacco if you think he is the next Grossman or Campbell. I just think Flacco isnt getting the attention he deserves because he is being overshadowed by fellow rookie Matt Ryan.

I have been very impressed by Flacco as a rookie. I also wouldn't be suprised to see the Ravens grab a playmaking WR to replace Mason soon in this year's draft. Hey-Bay, Harvin, Macklin or Britt Would just make me more excited about Flacco's future.As for the Flacco vs Warner debate, I guess its more a matter of where your team is at. If you have the talent to make a run in 09, Warner is the answer. If not Flacco seems to be one of the best QBs to come out in the past couple years.

 

[Fear & Loathing]

As for the Flacco vs Warner debate, I guess its more a matter of where your team is at. If you have the talent to make a run in 09, Warner is the answer. If not Flacco seems to be one of the best QBs to come out in the past couple years.

As is almost always the case in Dynasty debates, this is the heart of the matter.I'm not a builder. The rankings rarely favor builders over contenders because I don't really believe in re-building. I've always asked guys who are taking over wretched teams and trying to build to just put that slant on the rankings. Obviously, a builder is going to favor Calvin Johnson over any WR in the league. Obviously, a builder is going to favor Jonathan Stewart over Clinton Portis . . . D-Bo over Randy Moss . . . Joe Flacco over Kurt Warner .

 

[Burning Sensation]

As for the Flacco vs Warner debate, I guess its more a matter of where your team is at. If you have the talent to make a run in 09, Warner is the answer. If not Flacco seems to be one of the best QBs to come out in the past couple years.

As is almost always the case in Dynasty debates, this is the heart of the matter.I'm not a builder. The rankings rarely favor builders over contenders because I don't really believe in re-building. I've always asked guys who are taking over wretched teams and trying to build to just put that slant on the rankings. Obviously, a builder is going to favor Calvin Johnson over any WR in the league. Obviously, a builder is going to favor Jonathan Stewart over Clinton Portis . . . D-Bo over Randy Moss . . . Joe Flacco over Kurt Warner .

Those are the extremes, i think i fall somewhere in the middle, although i probably lean more towards the builder type. My theory is to build a true dynasty, as opposed to trying to peice together a contender each year.Also, Calvin Johnson is a top 3 WR this year, with nowhere to go but up. I think its fair to say that any kind of owner might prefer CJ as their #1 WR.

 

[Carver Lee]

Quarterback Rankings | December 11, 2008 QUARTERBACKS----------------------------------TIER THREE13. Eli Manning, NYG | Age: 28.6 | Value Score: 6814. #Carson Palmer, CIN | Age: 29.7 | Value Score: 64The elbow injury is problematic enough, but there's no light at the end of the tunnel in Cincinnati. The Bengals have started the season 0-7 for the fifth time since Mike Brown took over control of the franchise in 1991. No other team has done it more than twice.15. Joe Flacco, BAL | Age: 24.7 | Value Score: 62The rookie has dropped back 111 straight times without a turnover and is starting to find the end zone weekly.16. [#]Brady Quinn, CLE | Age: 24.9 | Value Score: 55TIER FOUR17. David Garrard, JAX | Age: 31.5 | Value Score: 43Sorely missing that dominant running game.18. #Trent Edwards, BUF | Age: 25.9 | Value Score: 39The anointing oils were out way too quickly for a QB who can't get the ball in the end zone.19. Jason Campbell, WAS | Age: 27.7 | Value Score: 38He's shown dramatic game-to-game inconsistency ever since he took over in 2006.20. Shaun Hill, SF | Age: 29.7 | Value Score: 3621. #Matt Hasselbeck, SEA[x]| Age: 34.0 | Value Score: 3322. Vince Young, TEN | Age: 25.3 | Value Score: 32

I'd put VY top tier 4 instead of bottom based on potential alone. The Titans are this good despite their most versatile athlete watching from the sidelines all year. One's gotta think the staff is going to figure out how to utilize him in the offseason.

 

[Fear & Loathing]

Also, Calvin Johnson is a top 3 WR this year, with nowhere to go but up. I think its fair to say that any kind of owner might prefer CJ as their #1 WR.

As a contender with Larry Fitzgerald on his roster, I don't think I could pull the trigger if Calvin was offered for Fitz.I've been a Calvin for long time now, but Fitz is a young stud too -- and probably more reliable.

 

[Burning Sensation]

Quarterback Rankings | December 11, 2008

QUARTERBACKS

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TIER THREE

13. Eli Manning, NYG | Age: 28.6 | Value Score: 68

14. #Carson Palmer, CIN | Age: 29.7 | Value Score: 64

The elbow injury is problematic enough, but there's no light at the end of the tunnel in Cincinnati. The Bengals have started the season 0-7 for the fifth time since Mike Brown took over control of the franchise in 1991. No other team has done it more than twice.

15. Joe Flacco, BAL | Age: 24.7 | Value Score: 62

The rookie has dropped back 111 straight times without a turnover and is starting to find the end zone weekly.

16. [#]Brady Quinn, CLE | Age: 24.9 | Value Score: 55

TIER FOUR

17. David Garrard, JAX | Age: 31.5 | Value Score: 43

Sorely missing that dominant running game.

18. #Trent Edwards, BUF | Age: 25.9 | Value Score: 39

The anointing oils were out way too quickly for a QB who can't get the ball in the end zone.

19. Jason Campbell, WAS | Age: 27.7 | Value Score: 38

He's shown dramatic game-to-game inconsistency ever since he took over in 2006.

20. Shaun Hill, SF | Age: 29.7 | Value Score: 36

21. #Matt Hasselbeck, SEA[x]| Age: 34.0 | Value Score: 33

22. Vince Young, TEN | Age: 25.3 | Value Score: 32

I'd put VY top tier 4 instead of bottom based on potential alone. The Titans are this good despite their most versatile athlete watching from the sidelines all year. One's gotta think the staff is going to figure out how to utilize him in the offseason.

Chris Johnson has been playing all season.

 

[travdogg]

i don't see Warner/McNabb with more value than Eli...no thanks long term

I don't think Eli is anywhere near being in the same league as those two. They are both having better years right now than anything I ever expect from Eli. Plus Eli isn't really THAT much younger than McNabb. Eli is 28 already.

 

[Burning Sensation]

Also, Calvin Johnson is a top 3 WR this year, with nowhere to go but up. I think its fair to say that any kind of owner might prefer CJ as their #1 WR.

As a contender with Larry Fitzgerald on his roster, I don't think I could pull the trigger if Calvin was offered for Fitz.I've been a Calvin for long time now, but Fitz is a young stud too -- and probably more reliable.

I dont disagree, but if you had Calvin Johnson in the same situation, would you trade him for Fitz?The top 3 WR's are a toss-up for me, and i would be thrilled to have any of them on my team. My point was everyone prefers CJ, not just "builders".

 

[Fear & Loathing]

I'd put VY top tier 4 instead of bottom based on potential alone. The Titans are this good despite their most versatile athlete watching from the sidelines all year. One's gotta think the staff is going to figure out how to utilize him in the offseason.

Chris Johnson has been playing all season.

Although, VY was going to get a slight bump this week with Bud Adams show of support and Kerry Collins showing that he's still Kerry Collins.

 

[Fear & Loathing]

The top 3 WR's are a toss-up for me, and i would be thrilled to have any of them on my team. My point was everyone prefers CJ, not just "builders".

Of course everyone wants Calvin. My point was that Calvin was a no-brainer #1 choice for builders. He's obviously not a no-brainer for contenders . . . especially one that plays in a playoff league. Contenders love Calvin, but they may have other preferences.

 

[Carver Lee]

Quarterback Rankings | December 11, 2008

QUARTERBACKS

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TIER THREE

13. Eli Manning, NYG | Age: 28.6 | Value Score: 68

14. #Carson Palmer, CIN | Age: 29.7 | Value Score: 64

The elbow injury is problematic enough, but there's no light at the end of the tunnel in Cincinnati. The Bengals have started the season 0-7 for the fifth time since Mike Brown took over control of the franchise in 1991. No other team has done it more than twice.

15. Joe Flacco, BAL | Age: 24.7 | Value Score: 62

The rookie has dropped back 111 straight times without a turnover and is starting to find the end zone weekly.

16. [#]Brady Quinn, CLE | Age: 24.9 | Value Score: 55

TIER FOUR

17. David Garrard, JAX | Age: 31.5 | Value Score: 43

Sorely missing that dominant running game.

18. #Trent Edwards, BUF | Age: 25.9 | Value Score: 39

The anointing oils were out way too quickly for a QB who can't get the ball in the end zone.

19. Jason Campbell, WAS | Age: 27.7 | Value Score: 38

He's shown dramatic game-to-game inconsistency ever since he took over in 2006.

20. Shaun Hill, SF | Age: 29.7 | Value Score: 36

21. #Matt Hasselbeck, SEA[x]| Age: 34.0 | Value Score: 33

22. Vince Young, TEN | Age: 25.3 | Value Score: 32

I'd put VY top tier 4 instead of bottom based on potential alone. The Titans are this good despite their most versatile athlete watching from the sidelines all year. One's gotta think the staff is going to figure out how to utilize him in the offseason.

Chris Johnson has been playing all season.

Splithairswhydontcha? If they pay Haynesworth, this team is very good good for a very long time. The fact that CJ was even brought up in this discussion only helps prove the case.

 

[Burning Sensation]

Quarterback Rankings | December 11, 2008

QUARTERBACKS

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TIER THREE

13. Eli Manning, NYG | Age: 28.6 | Value Score: 68

14. #Carson Palmer, CIN | Age: 29.7 | Value Score: 64

The elbow injury is problematic enough, but there's no light at the end of the tunnel in Cincinnati. The Bengals have started the season 0-7 for the fifth time since Mike Brown took over control of the franchise in 1991. No other team has done it more than twice.

15. Joe Flacco, BAL | Age: 24.7 | Value Score: 62

The rookie has dropped back 111 straight times without a turnover and is starting to find the end zone weekly.

16. [#]Brady Quinn, CLE | Age: 24.9 | Value Score: 55

TIER FOUR

17. David Garrard, JAX | Age: 31.5 | Value Score: 43

Sorely missing that dominant running game.

18. #Trent Edwards, BUF | Age: 25.9 | Value Score: 39

The anointing oils were out way too quickly for a QB who can't get the ball in the end zone.

19. Jason Campbell, WAS | Age: 27.7 | Value Score: 38

He's shown dramatic game-to-game inconsistency ever since he took over in 2006.

20. Shaun Hill, SF | Age: 29.7 | Value Score: 36

21. #Matt Hasselbeck, SEA[x]| Age: 34.0 | Value Score: 33

22. Vince Young, TEN | Age: 25.3 | Value Score: 32

I'd put VY top tier 4 instead of bottom based on potential alone. The Titans are this good despite their most versatile athlete watching from the sidelines all year. One's gotta think the staff is going to figure out how to utilize him in the offseason.

Chris Johnson has been playing all season.

Splithairswhydontcha? If they pay Haynesworth, this team is very good good for a very long time. The fact that CJ was even brought up in this discussion only helps prove the case.

That was just my way of saying i dont think much of Young. Sure, he is a good athlete, he just isnt a very good QB.

 

[Anthony Borbely]

Also, Calvin Johnson is a top 3 WR this year, with nowhere to go but up. I think its fair to say that any kind of owner might prefer CJ as their #1 WR.

As a contender with Larry Fitzgerald on his roster, I don't think I could pull the trigger if Calvin was offered for Fitz.I've been a Calvin for long time now, but Fitz is a young stud too -- and probably more reliable.

I dont disagree, but if you had Calvin Johnson in the same situation, would you trade him for Fitz?The top 3 WR's are a toss-up for me, and i would be thrilled to have any of them on my team. My point was everyone prefers CJ, not just "builders".

I own Calvin in multiple dynasty leagues and I would not trade him for Fitz or any other WR straight up. He is already putting up top 5 numbers and that is with him being in his second year and playing with 5 different QBs. The best thing...in one of the above leagues, I own Calvin and Fitz both. Needless to say, both are virtually untouchable.

 

[whodeywhodey]

Palmer is too low for my taste in a dynasty. But I'm a homer.

Warner is too high due to his age.

Cassell is too low if he lands somewhere else which seems likely.

 

[Snot Bubbler]

Palmer is too low for my taste in a dynasty. But I'm a homer. Warner is too high due to his age. Cassell is too low if he lands somewhere else which seems likely.

Carson Palmer is way too low. He put up back-to-back 4,000 yard 28 & 26 TD seasons before getting hurt this year. Even though Cincy sux, he will still get his in the 4th qtr of blow-outs.

 

[valhallan]

My theory is to build a true dynasty, as opposed to trying to peice together a contender each year.

But can you really build a true dynasty? That is, a core of players that just dominate for several years? Aside from a couple top QBs and WRs, most of the top 10 lists reshuffle completely every 2 or 3 years. I think to compete year-in and year-out you have to make a few significant moves each season. I agree with F&L regarding Warner. The guy has brought me to the championship game with a good chance to win it. I'll take that over the potential of a young QB any day because there will always be other QBs to replace Warner when he falls off and I trust my ability to get one. But right now, I want my name on the trophy.

 

[Burning Sensation]

My theory is to build a true dynasty, as opposed to trying to peice together a contender each year.

But can you really build a true dynasty? That is, a core of players that just dominate for several years? Aside from a couple top QBs and WRs, most of the top 10 lists reshuffle completely every 2 or 3 years. I think to compete year-in and year-out you have to make a few significant moves each season. I agree with F&L regarding Warner. The guy has brought me to the championship game with a good chance to win it. I'll take that over the potential of a young QB any day because there will always be other QBs to replace Warner when he falls off and I trust my ability to get one. But right now, I want my name on the trophy.

Yes, i think i can, and i think i have. Youre right, the top 10's do shuffle, and you have to stay active in the trading market, to stay ahead of the curve. I think the biggest key is trading a player at the tail end of their primes(not careers), and rejuvinating your team with youth. For example, F&L said he wouldnt trade SJax for depth or a goup of lesser players. This is exactly the kindof trade i would make if i could get a young WR, and/or QB, along with a draft pick or two. I also think to build a true dynasty, it must be done around QB's and WR's like you pointed out, as they dont have the turnover a RB does. Its not always easy to know what players to trade when, but i can asure you that you are going in the opposite direction by trading players like Flacco for players like Warner.

 

[Fear & Loathing]

Palmer is too low for my taste in a dynasty. But I'm a homer.

Then you should know better.

 

[-OZ-]

My theory is to build a true dynasty, as opposed to trying to peice together a contender each year.

But can you really build a true dynasty? That is, a core of players that just dominate for several years? Aside from a couple top QBs and WRs, most of the top 10 lists reshuffle completely every 2 or 3 years. I think to compete year-in and year-out you have to make a few significant moves each season. I agree with F&L regarding Warner. The guy has brought me to the championship game with a good chance to win it. I'll take that over the potential of a young QB any day because there will always be other QBs to replace Warner when he falls off and I trust my ability to get one. But right now, I want my name on the trophy.

I think it depends on how you define a dynasty. In my main league of 32 teams, there are 5-7 teams that have pretty much dominated since inception. These are teams everyone knows will be in the playoffs (although I barely made it this year) and are always in contention. Not coincidentally, these are among the most active teams. Of these really only one has had an off year since they started dominating (this year, his WRs ocho and holt fell apart). However, so far in the 5 year existence not including this year, we have 5 different champions and this year might be the first repeat champ, but the two favorites haven't won it yet. I'd say the handful of teams have strong dynasties, but others may say you have to win mutilple Super Bowls to have a dynasty. As for your question of having a core group of players that dominate, many of these teams have built their teams on a certain handful or so. Personally, I've always been competitive, but only LT has been a mainstay. Looking into next year (I lost last week), LT probably won't start for me even if I keep him so you could consider that a complete turnover yet I've remained one of the better teams in the league. So there's different ways to have a dynasty. I absolutely hate Warner. I benched him last year in our week 17 Super Bowl and that cost me the championship, then I thought I was set at QB with Ben and VY and traded Warner for a mid-round pick The team I traded him to is still alive with 2 weeks left. I'm pretty sure nobody is trading a young gun for him, but he is certainly valuable for the short term.ETA: I agree with , to keep a dynasty, you'd be better off with Flacco than Warner, but the prize is tempting. I traded TO to the top scorer this year for two 1sts, he needed WRs, I wanted to rejuvenate my team for the future. It didn't hurt me too much although I lost to him this last week -TO didn't affect that, sometimes it just breaks that way which is one reason I'll usually make the deal for future potential, if it's a fairly good deal.

 

[Fear & Loathing]

ETA: I agree with , to keep a dynasty, you'd be better off with Flacco than Warner, but the prize is tempting. I traded TO to the top scorer this year for two 1sts, he needed WRs, I wanted to rejuvenate my team for the future. It didn't hurt me too much although I lost to him this last week -TO didn't affect that, sometimes it just breaks that way which is one reason I'll usually make the deal for future potential, if it's a fairly good deal.

You better start a dynasty before you try to keep one.

 

[-OZ-]

ETA: I agree with , to keep a dynasty, you'd be better off with Flacco than Warner, but the prize is tempting. I traded TO to the top scorer this year for two 1sts, he needed WRs, I wanted to rejuvenate my team for the future. It didn't hurt me too much although I lost to him this last week -TO didn't affect that, sometimes it just breaks that way which is one reason I'll usually make the deal for future potential, if it's a fairly good deal.

You better start a dynasty before you try to keep one.

Is Warner going to start your dynasty? If your goal is to win this year and not worry about the future until it gets here, sure, there aren't too many QBs I'd place above Warner.

 

[Burning Sensation]

ETA: I agree with , to keep a dynasty, you'd be better off with Flacco than Warner, but the prize is tempting. I traded TO to the top scorer this year for two 1sts, he needed WRs, I wanted to rejuvenate my team for the future. It didn't hurt me too much although I lost to him this last week -TO didn't affect that, sometimes it just breaks that way which is one reason I'll usually make the deal for future potential, if it's a fairly good deal.

You better start a dynasty before you try to keep one.

Is Warner going to start your dynasty? If your goal is to win this year and not worry about the future until it gets here, sure, there aren't too many QBs I'd place above Warner.

I would still be skeptical of Warner next year. I think there is a decent chance Warner retires after the season. Not to mention a various amount of other factors that could hurt his value next year.

 

[Fear & Loathing]

ETA: I agree with , to keep a dynasty, you'd be better off with Flacco than Warner, but the prize is tempting. I traded TO to the top scorer this year for two 1sts, he needed WRs, I wanted to rejuvenate my team for the future. It didn't hurt me too much although I lost to him this last week -TO didn't affect that, sometimes it just breaks that way which is one reason I'll usually make the deal for future potential, if it's a fairly good deal.

You better start a dynasty before you try to keep one.

Is Warner going to start your dynasty? If your goal is to win this year and not worry about the future until it gets here, sure, there aren't too many QBs I'd place above Warner.

You start Warner every week, he wins games for you, and the young guy you have as a backup takes over in the future. Since Warner is the one putting the trophy on the mantle for you, he's the one starting your dynasty. Your goal is to win now with a balanced nucleus. You're not winning now with Joe Flacco. You are winning with Warner, and you can maintain a balanced nucleus all the while.

 

[Fear & Loathing]

I would still be skeptical of Warner next year. I think there is a decent chance Warner retires after the season. Not to mention a various amount of other factors that could hurt his value next year.

I don't think he'll retire, and I think he'll be back leading an awesome passing attack in Arizona next season. There is some risk, sure, but 5,000 yards and 30+ TDs is absolutely worth the risk. Swing for the fences.

 

[Burning Sensation]

I would still be skeptical of Warner next year. I think there is a decent chance Warner retires after the season. Not to mention a various amount of other factors that could hurt his value next year.

I don't think he'll retire, and I think he'll be back leading an awesome passing attack in Arizona next season. There is some risk, sure, but 5,000 yards and 30+ TDs is absolutely worth the risk. Swing for the fences.

Maybe he doesnt, but he brought it up mid season after the Boldin injury. You dont mention retring during the season unless you are seriously considering it.

 

[-OZ-]

ETA: I agree with , to keep a dynasty, you'd be better off with Flacco than Warner, but the prize is tempting. I traded TO to the top scorer this year for two 1sts, he needed WRs, I wanted to rejuvenate my team for the future. It didn't hurt me too much although I lost to him this last week -TO didn't affect that, sometimes it just breaks that way which is one reason I'll usually make the deal for future potential, if it's a fairly good deal.

You better start a dynasty before you try to keep one.

Is Warner going to start your dynasty? If your goal is to win this year and not worry about the future until it gets here, sure, there aren't too many QBs I'd place above Warner.

You start Warner every week, he wins games for you, and the young guy you have as a backup takes over in the future. Since Warner is the one putting the trophy on the mantle for you, he's the one starting your dynasty. Your goal is to win now with a balanced nucleus. You're not winning now with Joe Flacco. You are winning with Warner, and you can maintain a balanced nucleus all the while.

You appear to be assuming you have a young backup on your team. Maybe you do, maybe you have Favre. Maybe you have nobody worth mentioning. Flacco may not win it for you today, but Warner won't do much for you in the future. If you're trying to have a balanced nucleus, neither provides both sides.

 

[Burning Sensation]

ETA: I agree with , to keep a dynasty, you'd be better off with Flacco than Warner, but the prize is tempting. I traded TO to the top scorer this year for two 1sts, he needed WRs, I wanted to rejuvenate my team for the future. It didn't hurt me too much although I lost to him this last week -TO didn't affect that, sometimes it just breaks that way which is one reason I'll usually make the deal for future potential, if it's a fairly good deal.

You better start a dynasty before you try to keep one.

Is Warner going to start your dynasty? If your goal is to win this year and not worry about the future until it gets here, sure, there aren't too many QBs I'd place above Warner.

You start Warner every week, he wins games for you, and the young guy you have as a backup takes over in the future. Since Warner is the one putting the trophy on the mantle for you, he's the one starting your dynasty. Your goal is to win now with a balanced nucleus. You're not winning now with Joe Flacco. You are winning with Warner, and you can maintain a balanced nucleus all the while.

You appear to be assuming you have a young backup on your team. Maybe you do, maybe you have Favre. Maybe you have nobody worth mentioning. Flacco may not win it for you today, but Warner won't do much for you in the future. If you're trying to have a balanced nucleus, neither provides both sides.

Yep, we have to assume that an owner is going to have other QB's on their team. If i already have a top 10-12 QB on my team, which most teams probably do, your much better off with Flacco.

 

[-OZ-]

Yep, we have to assume that an owner is going to have other QB's on their team. If i already have a top 10-12 QB on my team, which most teams probably do, your much better off with Flacco.

I find myself arguing both sides of this, but I think it depends who your other QB is, and it's not as easy as that.If I have Cutler, am I better off with Flacco? Ryan, Rodgers, Rivers, Schaub, or Ben? I have Brady on one of my dynasty leagues and would have loved to have Warner there. The asking price was Roddy White IIRC, so I never acquired him.

 

[Burning Sensation]

Yep, we have to assume that an owner is going to have other QB's on their team. If i already have a top 10-12 QB on my team, which most teams probably do, your much better off with Flacco.

I find myself arguing both sides of this, but I think it depends who your other QB is, and it's not as easy as that.If I have Cutler, am I better off with Flacco? Ryan, Rodgers, Rivers, Schaub, or Ben? I have Brady on one of my dynasty leagues and would have loved to have Warner there. The asking price was Roddy White IIRC, so I never acquired him.

Thats the thing, and i think F&L even pointed it out earlier. It depends on your teams situation. I just think most teams are in the situation where they would benefit more from having Flacco, and i think its a pretty big margin.If i have any of the follwing QB's, i would take Flacco over Warner.BradyManningBreesCutlerRomoBig BenSchaubRiversRodgersRyanEli McnabbPalmer

 

[Fear & Loathing]

Maybe he doesnt, but he brought it up mid season after the Boldin injury. You dont mention retring during the season unless you are seriously considering it.

I think you're taking it out of context. Warner was saying he wondered if it was all worth it to keep playing because of the gruesomeness of Boldin's injury. I think it's natural for an athlete to have those thoughts after witnessing such a serious injury.

 

[Fear & Loathing]

Yep, we have to assume that an owner is going to have other QB's on their team. If i already have a top 10-12 QB on my team, which most teams probably do, your much better off with Flacco.

I find myself arguing both sides of this, but I think it depends who your other QB is, and it's not as easy as that.If I have Cutler, am I better off with Flacco? Ryan, Rodgers, Rivers, Schaub, or Ben?

I have Brady on one of my dynasty leagues and would have loved to have Warner there. The asking price was Roddy White IIRC, so I never acquired him.

This was my situation in my main dynasty league. I had drafted Warner as a flier, never figuring that I would need him -- but thinking I could flip him down the line if he could match last year's production. As a Brady owner, you would have to add a ton of value to Joe Flacco to get me to come off of Warner. And that's not just in-season. I wouldn't think about giving up Warner for Flacco this coming offseason either.

 

[Fear & Loathing]

Yep, we have to assume that an owner is going to have other QB's on their team. If i already have a top 10-12 QB on my team, which most teams probably do, your much better off with Flacco.

I find myself arguing both sides of this, but I think it depends who your other QB is, and it's not as easy as that.If I have Cutler, am I better off with Flacco? Ryan, Rodgers, Rivers, Schaub, or Ben? I have Brady on one of my dynasty leagues and would have loved to have Warner there. The asking price was Roddy White IIRC, so I never acquired him.

Thats the thing, and i think F&L even pointed it out earlier. It depends on your teams situation. I just think most teams are in the situation where they would benefit more from having Flacco, and i think its a pretty big margin.If i have any of the follwing QB's, i would take Flacco over Warner.BradyManningBreesCutlerRomoBig BenSchaubRiversRodgersRyanEli McnabbPalmer

If I have any of those QBs I'm taking Warner over Flacco in a heartbeat. If I already have a solid franchise QB, I want someone I can plug into my lineup in case of emergency and not lose a thing. If I already have a stud QB, what am I going to do with Joe Flacco except wasted roster space? He's never going to see my lineup. If I have Peyton Manning or Drew Brees or Jay Cutler, then I can grab a promising young QB at any point over the next few seasons. Meanwhile, I've got Kurt Warner along with my stud, and Warner is often a better option in the starting lineup.Edit to add: Maybe Peyton Manning or Drew Brees b/c you're going to start them every week regardless, and there's not much of an injury concern. Maybe then. But probably not. I'm taking the difference maker. Certainly, a Tom Brady owner would have placed a much higher value on Warner all season long.

 

[Fear & Loathing]

You appear to be assuming you have a young backup on your team. Maybe you do, maybe you have Favre. Maybe you have nobody worth mentioning. Flacco may not win it for you today, but Warner won't do much for you in the future. If you're trying to have a balanced nucleus, neither provides both sides.

Have you ever had a dynasty roster where all of your QBs were over 33-years-old? I never have. Who goes into the season with just Kurt Warner on their roster and no young backup?Would you rather have Joe Flacco and a veteran patch like David Garrard or Chad Pennington?Or would you rather have Kurt Warner and a less-promising youngster than Joe Flacco, like maybe Jason Campbell?I'm taking Warner/Campbell even though I don't even like Campbell.

 

[stevegamer]

I'm thinking these rankings are the usual start 1 QB league. Realize that anybody after the top 6-8 is a below average starter as a QB1, so to actually gain relative to opponents, you need to either have a stud, or a couple guys you can play matchups with.

I think Flacco could grow into a good (top 8) starting caliber QB, but the Ravens' traditional defense-first mentality has me concerned that he won't get there in the next 2 years. I'd prefer him as a backup on my dynasty roter - but I have Peyton as a starter, and my head might explode trying to play matchups with those two.

 

[buccosfan]

you really have to think more about situation when you think of these things as well. i'd rather have warner/leinart than flacco. the cards play in a weak division. the ravens division isn't a whole lot better, but it does have the steelers. and being in the northeast can make it tougher late in the season to throw. then throw in the fact that, at least at this point, you can't possibly rely on flacco to throw for 300 yards and 3 TDs. You can reasonably expect that from the arizona qb with the WRs and lack of a running game they have.

as for personal observations, i'd rather have matt schaub than big ben or matt ryan because i'm convinced kubiak wants to throw the ball A LOT. i like ben and ryan, but i just don't see ben throwing for 4,500 yards and 40 TDs any time soon. since struggling in his first two games, schaub has thrown for at least 267 yards in every game, except the vikings game when he threw for 139 in a half. that's 278 in that game. that's a 4,000 yard season if he can stay healthy. a big if. but everyone assumed after a couple of years that fred taylor was injury prone too. despite missing 5.5 games, schaub is the no. 13 QB in my league. he's no. 4 in weekly average.

 

[-OZ-]

You appear to be assuming you have a young backup on your team. Maybe you do, maybe you have Favre. Maybe you have nobody worth mentioning. Flacco may not win it for you today, but Warner won't do much for you in the future. If you're trying to have a balanced nucleus, neither provides both sides.

Have you ever had a dynasty roster where all of your QBs were over 33-years-old? I never have. Who goes into the season with just Kurt Warner on their roster and no young backup?Would you rather have Joe Flacco and a veteran patch like David Garrard or Chad Pennington?Or would you rather have Kurt Warner and a less-promising youngster than Joe Flacco, like maybe Jason Campbell?I'm taking Warner/Campbell even though I don't even like Campbell.

No, I haven't, but I have gone into the year with Culpepper and a couple other QBs who fell apart. I forgot that this was only designed for 12 team leagues. Put us in a 20 team league or larger, and you'll find Flacco is worth a fair bit more than Warner to most teams. Your question very much depends on the status of my team. As stated, if I'm building, Warner doesn't help me a whole lot so I prefer Flacco and Penny.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

Decent QBs are a dime a dozen. 5000/30 QBs are not. Give me 2 years of Warner (and 8 years of whomever I can scrounge up beyond that) over 10 years of Flacco anyday.

Plus, veteran QBs are super cheap in dynasty leagues anyway. You can probably get better production swapping those guys out every 3 years for a fraction of the cost of one less productive young QB.

In dynasties, only truly elite QBs are worth really paying a price for.

 

[Fear & Loathing]

No, I haven't, but I have gone into the year with Culpepper and a couple other QBs who fell apart. I forgot that this was only designed for 12 team leagues. Put us in a 20 team league or larger, and you'll find Flacco is worth a fair bit more than Warner to most teams. Your question very much depends on the status of my team. As stated, if I'm building, Warner doesn't help me a whole lot so I prefer Flacco and Penny.

Very good points. I still believe the majority of debates on player values in Dynasty comes not from the players' talents and situation but from specific league rules and team needs. Take something like Chris Johnson vs. Michael Turner. What are there values in a PPR league vs. a TD-heavy league? Not having a standard set of rules for fantasy football can be challenging, but I guess it can also keep things interesting.I can definitely see Flacco having more value in a much larger league, but I still believe way too many Dynasty owners concentrate on putting together rosters full of potential when they should be gunning for a title.

 

[Fear & Loathing]

Decent QBs are a dime a dozen. 5000/30 QBs are not. Give me 2 years of Warner (and 8 years of whomever I can scrounge up beyond that) over 10 years of Flacco anyday.Plus, veteran QBs are super cheap in dynasty leagues anyway. You can probably get better production swapping those guys out every 3 years for a fraction of the cost of one less productive young QB.In dynasties, only truly elite QBs are worth really paying a price for.

 

[valhallan]

Decent QBs are a dime a dozen. 5000/30 QBs are not. Give me 2 years of Warner (and 8 years of whomever I can scrounge up beyond that) over 10 years of Flacco anyday.Plus, veteran QBs are super cheap in dynasty leagues anyway. You can probably get better production swapping those guys out every 3 years for a fraction of the cost of one less productive young QB.In dynasties, only truly elite QBs are worth really paying a price for.

Seconded.