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Spencer Ware, possibly the new work horse (1 Viewer)
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JohnnyU
Footballguy
Dope
Footballguy
Is anyone thinking about sitting Spencer this week against a tough defense? I mean we all did draft him later and we should all have decent alternatives.
I ask, of course, because I currently have Ware on my bench and I'm wondering if I'm treading in "don't bench your studs" territory.
I ask, of course, because I currently have Ware on my bench and I'm wondering if I'm treading in "don't bench your studs" territory.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
trogg78
Footballguy
TripItUp
Footballguy
Grahamburn
Footballguy
Anyone trading or benching Ware just isn't paying attention. Don't try to outsmart this situation.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
I don't know that it works like this BUT there has to be some thoughts about the fact Ware KNOWS he has West and Charles he has to run better than in order to gain touches and eventually get $$$ paid, be it the Chiefs or elsewhere.
I think there is a huge incentive for him to keep it up.
I think there is a huge incentive for him to keep it up.
The Jacket
Footballguy
The Texans aren't particularly tough; not the type of defense you avoid, at least. Ware put up 70 and a touch on them in the playoffs with only 16 carries. He might get double that amount of touches on Sunday. Wouldn't even remotely considering sitting him.Dope said:
higgins
Footballguy
Just curious -- do we know that it's turf toe, or could it be a different toe-related injury?
Grahamburn
Footballguy
Toe jam.
Andrew74
Footballguy
I just did this trade on the opposite side (I bought Ware) in a 0.5 PPR. I own Charles. I figured I have the Chiefs running game this year and possibly the main back if Charles is cut next year. The 1st should be late, so I figured trading darts for a guy who looks good is a high probability positive move.BigTex said:
LawFitz
Footballguy
I didn't say that he has turf toe. I said that we don't yet have clarity that he doesn't.
The facts we have have right now are that he got tackled awkwardly on his last play on Sunday and walked off gingerly after asking to be replaced. And then missed practice yesterday due to a toe issue. Those are some glaring warning signals, which need to be clarified before I start him with confidence. And before you all jump on me for that last sentence, let me add emphasis to the "with confidence" part.
The facts we have have right now are that he got tackled awkwardly on his last play on Sunday and walked off gingerly after asking to be replaced. And then missed practice yesterday due to a toe issue. Those are some glaring warning signals, which need to be clarified before I start him with confidence. And before you all jump on me for that last sentence, let me add emphasis to the "with confidence" part.
Black
Footballguy
http://www.kansascity.com/sports/nfl/kansas-city-chiefs/article101822092.html
Chiefs’ Spencer Ware misses practice because of sprained toe
Chiefs’ Spencer Ware misses practice because of sprained toe
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Folks will interpret this many different ways but I am of the opinion that he is resting his stud. I'm not saying I'm right but Reid says he'll be fine...of course why wouldn't he say that he's fine MOP?(I'm talking to myself now) Why tip the hand to Houston that he needs to roll with West and Kniles Davis on Sunday?
I just wish you better luck with this attempt than you had last week touting West. That ended up being embarrassing for you.
LawFitz
Footballguy
Why is everything an attempt at one upping around here? I am trying to have dialogue.
West got 50% of the snaps with a bionic arm. Did you see the brace on his elbow? Dude clearly isn't 100%. And yet, he got 50% of the snaps.
Ware looked fantastic. But he hurt his toe on the last play. I'm nervous about that until we get clarity. I find it odd that some many are writing that off like it's nothing, when it could be the dreaded of all the dreadeds.
Pete Sweeney @pgsween 8m8 minutes agoKansas City, MO
Spencer Ware (toe) presumably returns to practice.
We're good. False Alarm
Spencer Ware (toe) presumably returns to practice.
We're good. False Alarm
need2know
Footballguy
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
POor tweet by that guy
SameSongNDance
Footballguy
I watched all of Langford's touches against HOU and despite the modest stat line nothing about that match-up looks truly imposing to me for Ware. I also happen to think Ware is much better than Langford.
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LawFitz
Footballguy
JuniorNB and Milkman, ignore this post and even better, go ahead and place me on ignore in general, as you two don't seem to like to hear anything negative about Ware and will only be offended/angered by this...
---
Went back to CJA's thread from last year to try to gain some insight from an actual turf toe situation... Week 2, the Broncos played on Thursday night and CJA was nursing a toe injury from week 1. It was revealed just before kickoff that he would be playing with a metal insert in his shoe (a classic turf toe signal). His night was pedestrian and he split time considerably with Hillman.
The following week, he practiced in full on Wednesday, Thursday, and Friday. There was also the following Yahoo blurb that week:
"C.J. Anderson says he's over his toe injury.
Advice: Anderson is practicing in full for Week 3. "I'm fine now," Anderson said. "I don't think it affected me. ... I'm expecting results. That's just the honest truth." Anderson is off to a brutal start, but has had 10 days to get his mind and body right for Sunday's game against the Lions. He's a mid-range RB2 for Week 3"
And here is his game log:
Rushing
Receiving
Scoring
Rk
Date
G#
Age
Tm
Opp
Result
Att
Yds
Y/A
TD
Tgt
Rec
Yds
Y/R
TD
Ctch%
Y/Tgt
TD
Pts
15 Games
12-3-0
152
720
4.74
5
36
25
183
7.32
0
69.4%
5.08
30
1
2015-09-13
1
24-215
DEN
BAL
W 19-13
12
29
2.42
0
8
4
19
4.75
0
50.0%
2.38
0
0
2
2015-09-17
2
24-219
DEN
@
KAN
W 31-24
12
27
2.25
0
1
1
2
2.00
0
100.0%
2.00
0
0
3
2015-09-27
3
24-229
DEN
@
DET
W 24-12
8
18
2.25
0
1
1
9
9.00
0
100.0%
9.00
0
0
4
2015-10-04
4
24-236
DEN
MIN
W 23-20
11
43
3.91
0
1
1
27
27.00
0
100.0%
27.00
0
0
5
2015-10-11
5
24-243
DEN
@
OAK
W 16-10
11
22
2.00
0
2
2
18
9.00
0
100.0%
9.00
0
0
6
2015-10-18
6
24-250
DEN
@
CLE
W 26-23
13
41
3.15
0
4
4
25
6.25
0
100.0%
6.25
0
0
7
2015-11-01
7
24-264
DEN
GNB
W 29-10
14
101
7.21
1
1
1
5
5.00
0
100.0%
5.00
1
6
8
2015-11-08
8
24-271
DEN
@
IND
L 24-27
7
34
4.86
0
2
1
4
4.00
0
50.0%
2.00
0
0
9
2015-11-15
9
24-278
DEN
KAN
L 13-29
2
9
4.50
0
1
0
0
0
0.0%
0.00
0
0
10
2015-11-22
10
24-285
DEN
@
CHI
W 17-15
12
59
4.92
0
2
2
13
6.50
0
100.0%
6.50
0
0
11
2015-11-29
11
24-292
DEN
NWE
W 30-24
15
113
7.53
2
4
4
40
10.00
0
100.0%
10.00
2
12
12
2015-12-06
12
24-299
DEN
@
SDG
W 17-3
7
42
6.00
0
1
1
12
12.00
0
100.0%
12.00
0
0
13
2015-12-20
14
24-313
DEN
@
PIT
L 27-34
4
14
3.50
0
3
1
6
6.00
0
33.3%
2.00
0
0
14
2015-12-28
15
24-321
DEN
CIN
W 20-17
9
73
8.11
1
2
1
8
8.00
0
50.0%
4.00
1
6
15
2016-01-03
16
24-327
DEN
SDG
W 27-20
15
95
6.33
1
3
1
-5
-5.00
0
33.3%
-1.67
1
6
Now Ware may or may not have a similar injury. But practicing or not this week might not be definitive. Keep an ear open for any talk about a metal insert in his shoe. If you hear something about that leading up to kickoff, it definitely becomes buyer beware time (no pun).
It wasn't until seven weeks later, after the bye week between games six and seven, that the dude got right and started performing like he did prior to the injury. This seems to be the typical scenario when turf toe is diagnosed. Players try to play through it, but don't really seem right until they take time off to actually let it heal.
---
Went back to CJA's thread from last year to try to gain some insight from an actual turf toe situation... Week 2, the Broncos played on Thursday night and CJA was nursing a toe injury from week 1. It was revealed just before kickoff that he would be playing with a metal insert in his shoe (a classic turf toe signal). His night was pedestrian and he split time considerably with Hillman.
The following week, he practiced in full on Wednesday, Thursday, and Friday. There was also the following Yahoo blurb that week:
"C.J. Anderson says he's over his toe injury.
Advice: Anderson is practicing in full for Week 3. "I'm fine now," Anderson said. "I don't think it affected me. ... I'm expecting results. That's just the honest truth." Anderson is off to a brutal start, but has had 10 days to get his mind and body right for Sunday's game against the Lions. He's a mid-range RB2 for Week 3"
And here is his game log:
Rushing
Receiving
Scoring
Rk
Date
G#
Age
Tm
Opp
Result
Att
Yds
Y/A
TD
Tgt
Rec
Yds
Y/R
TD
Ctch%
Y/Tgt
TD
Pts
15 Games
12-3-0
152
720
4.74
5
36
25
183
7.32
0
69.4%
5.08
30
1
2015-09-13
1
24-215
DEN
BAL
W 19-13
12
29
2.42
0
8
4
19
4.75
0
50.0%
2.38
0
0
2
2015-09-17
2
24-219
DEN
@
KAN
W 31-24
12
27
2.25
0
1
1
2
2.00
0
100.0%
2.00
0
0
3
2015-09-27
3
24-229
DEN
@
DET
W 24-12
8
18
2.25
0
1
1
9
9.00
0
100.0%
9.00
0
0
4
2015-10-04
4
24-236
DEN
MIN
W 23-20
11
43
3.91
0
1
1
27
27.00
0
100.0%
27.00
0
0
5
2015-10-11
5
24-243
DEN
@
OAK
W 16-10
11
22
2.00
0
2
2
18
9.00
0
100.0%
9.00
0
0
6
2015-10-18
6
24-250
DEN
@
CLE
W 26-23
13
41
3.15
0
4
4
25
6.25
0
100.0%
6.25
0
0
7
2015-11-01
7
24-264
DEN
GNB
W 29-10
14
101
7.21
1
1
1
5
5.00
0
100.0%
5.00
1
6
8
2015-11-08
8
24-271
DEN
@
IND
L 24-27
7
34
4.86
0
2
1
4
4.00
0
50.0%
2.00
0
0
9
2015-11-15
9
24-278
DEN
KAN
L 13-29
2
9
4.50
0
1
0
0
0
0.0%
0.00
0
0
10
2015-11-22
10
24-285
DEN
@
CHI
W 17-15
12
59
4.92
0
2
2
13
6.50
0
100.0%
6.50
0
0
11
2015-11-29
11
24-292
DEN
NWE
W 30-24
15
113
7.53
2
4
4
40
10.00
0
100.0%
10.00
2
12
12
2015-12-06
12
24-299
DEN
@
SDG
W 17-3
7
42
6.00
0
1
1
12
12.00
0
100.0%
12.00
0
0
13
2015-12-20
14
24-313
DEN
@
PIT
L 27-34
4
14
3.50
0
3
1
6
6.00
0
33.3%
2.00
0
0
14
2015-12-28
15
24-321
DEN
CIN
W 20-17
9
73
8.11
1
2
1
8
8.00
0
50.0%
4.00
1
6
15
2016-01-03
16
24-327
DEN
SDG
W 27-20
15
95
6.33
1
3
1
-5
-5.00
0
33.3%
-1.67
1
6
Now Ware may or may not have a similar injury. But practicing or not this week might not be definitive. Keep an ear open for any talk about a metal insert in his shoe. If you hear something about that leading up to kickoff, it definitely becomes buyer beware time (no pun).
It wasn't until seven weeks later, after the bye week between games six and seven, that the dude got right and started performing like he did prior to the injury. This seems to be the typical scenario when turf toe is diagnosed. Players try to play through it, but don't really seem right until they take time off to actually let it heal.
Lol. You really think you're teaching anyone about turf toe? We all know what it is./ Problem is, no one has ever mentioned that Ware might have turf toe. That's all stuff you're trying to promote since you failed so miserable last week with your attempts at saying West was ahead of Ware on the depth chart.
I'm happy for you that they both played the same amount of snaps, though. I bet you kicked ### in your points-per-snap league.
LawFitz
Footballguy
No one ever uses the term at first. No one used it for CJA either, until weeks later when it was obvious. Got to read between the lines sometimes.
I hope he's healthy. I own him and would love to start him again after last week. But I've seen enough turf toe situations over last last umpteen years to know to be uber careful whenever I hear a player has a sprained toe.
thehornet
Footballguy
Then he tries to make himself look less pathetic by saying he owns him. Sad, really.
Dope
Footballguy
I get that, but his last post was more substance than rhetoric. That's what I was praising.
When it comes out that Ware has turf toe, Lawfitz can do a twenty post report about the seriousness of turf toe. And we'll all pretend we never heard of it before. Until then, he's just continuing on with his trolling from last week. Which ended very, very badly for him.
LawFitz
Footballguy
^^^ I've given plenty of reasons behind my arguments. Some just choose to ignore them and/or write it off as "hate" when in actuality, I like Ware. I just like West and Charles (when healthy) too. Mainly, I like the Chiefs running game. Whoever is featured will score lots of fantasy points. But the winds of change were frequent with this situation last season and turf toe (if that is what Ware has) is a strong wind.
At first, they didn't say that Bo Jackson had a degenerative hip joint disease. Perhaps you should go into the Demarius Thomas thread and warn all of his owners the news that might lie ahead.
TheBottomLine
Footballguy
I traded him in the offseason. He definitely has turf toe.
I think it's ok to worry when the injury report says "did not practice (toe)." Turf toe is a fantasy killer, so I am definitely paying attention.
This should raise red flags for any good owner and just seek as much info/insight as possible to inform decisions: bench, trade, etc. Without conclusive evidence or comments, I'm not jumping to conclusions and making brash decisions. Just feed me info to help improve my thinking.
This should raise red flags for any good owner and just seek as much info/insight as possible to inform decisions: bench, trade, etc. Without conclusive evidence or comments, I'm not jumping to conclusions and making brash decisions. Just feed me info to help improve my thinking.
Milkman
Footballguy
I'm not allowed to comment. Apparently if I'm proven right in a situation I can't say anything about that or its considered trolling and I will be kicked out of the forum. If I miss however I will be ruthlessly countered trolled and need to just ignore it. Cheers! Ware sucks I was wrong. West is much much better.
LawFitz
Footballguy
You calling someone a troll is similar to when you told another poster to have some "####### class"... Laughably ironic!
Carry on, junior.
chad in Indy
Footballguy
i still would like to hear a report denouncing the possibility of turf toe or telling me it's his any toe besides the big one. It always starts out as "just a sprained toe", then it becomes a sprained big toe, then a coach saying the RB is just gonna have to manage the pain, but will be ok. 3 weeks later after the RB is playing normal, the coach will say, "yeah, he (RB) was dealing with turf toe the past couple weeks. With turf toe being a newsworthy story for RBs, I don't know why a beat reporter wouldn't want/know to ask which toe it is.
LawFitz
Footballguy
Please find one quote from me where I said Ware sucks or that West is much much better. Your selective memory and twisting of others' words does you no favors.
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