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[Jason Wood]

9.15 Jason Wood -- Michael Bush, RB, Oakland Raiders

Love this pick.....might have gone with him in this round except the bye conflict with Mathews didn't help my team. I feel Bush will outperform McFadden in 2010.

Thanks. I agree. I'm pretty down on McFadden this year and there is no one else on the roster to challenge for touches; that is unless you think Rock Cartwright is due for a breakout.

 

[tex]

9.12 Laurence Maroney, RB, Pats

Nice.....gave him a good hard look at my last pick but was hoping he might slide to my next. Will give you some pretty good weeks IMO.

Thanks. I started to go with Bush instead of Maroney, but the pats are so much more explosive on offense, and for some reason I just have a good feeling about Maroney this year. I definitely think it was a good value pick.

 

[tex]

Considered quite a few players at 10.05 but went with Devin Thomas simply because I think McNabb will chuck it all over the place, and Thomas will get his share of the targets.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

Devery Henderson WR NOS

Loved this one here too. Henderson in NO could see many targets with Meachem now banged up.

 

[Pickle Rody]

Ruffrodys:

5.06 - Joe Flacco, QB11, Bal (8)

8.11 - Matt Moore, QB29, Car (6)

1.06 - Maurice Jones-Drew, RB5, Jac (9)

3.06 - Ryan Mathews, RB11, SD (10)

10.11 - Steve Slaton, RB46, Hou (7)

2.11 - Marques Colston, WR10, NO (10)

4.11 - Percy Harvin, WR22, Min (4)

6.11 - Derrick Mason, WR35, Bal (8)

9.06 - Kevin Walter, WR48, Hou (7)

7.06 - John Carlson, TE14, Sea (5)

Slaton is a nice addition this late in the draft. not sure what I think he will do this year, but I have hope.

 

[Jason Wood]

Ruffrodys:

5.06 - Joe Flacco, QB11, Bal (8)

8.11 - Matt Moore, QB29, Car (6)

1.06 - Maurice Jones-Drew, RB5, Jac (9)

3.06 - Ryan Mathews, RB11, SD (10)

10.11 - Steve Slaton, RB46, Hou (7)

2.11 - Marques Colston, WR10, NO (10)

4.11 - Percy Harvin, WR22, Min (4)

6.11 - Derrick Mason, WR35, Bal (8)

9.06 - Kevin Walter, WR48, Hou (7)

7.06 - John Carlson, TE14, Sea (5)

Slaton is a nice addition this late in the draft. not sure what I think he will do this year, but I have hope.

Damn...I love your team.

 

[menobrown]

Ruffrodys:

5.06 - Joe Flacco, QB11, Bal (8)

8.11 - Matt Moore, QB29, Car (6)

1.06 - Maurice Jones-Drew, RB5, Jac (9)

3.06 - Ryan Mathews, RB11, SD (10)

10.11 - Steve Slaton, RB46, Hou (7)

2.11 - Marques Colston, WR10, NO (10)

4.11 - Percy Harvin, WR22, Min (4)

6.11 - Derrick Mason, WR35, Bal (8)

9.06 - Kevin Walter, WR48, Hou (7)

7.06 - John Carlson, TE14, Sea (5)

Slaton is a nice addition this late in the draft. not sure what I think he will do this year, but I have hope.

I like your team in general, no weakness anywhere, and I do agree that Slaton was nice addition this late and that's coming from someone who picked Ben Tate earlier.

When Slaton came into camp last year with the extra intentional weight gain I immediately started to sour on him a little. While most reports were lauding his weight gain as his ability to be a every down back I thought it was robbing him of the things that make him good in the first place. Told several people last preseason the weight gain would be problematic and this time next year Slaton will report to camp with less weight this year and a few puff pieces will be wrote about him were Slaton will comment that he gained to much weight last year so he could handle the every down back role and now he was back to his old weight and old self and is excited about the new season. So long as he's fine from his neck injury we are a few months away from this becoming reality. I see him reprising his change of pace/third down role and maybe even outproducing Ben Tate due in large part that he should catch a lot of passes and when he's leaner he scored an inordinate amount of long TD's which illustrates that he does not need a lot of touches or goal line touches to score.

 

[Stinkin Ref]

Stinkin Ref:

4.15 Stinkin Ref - Kevin Kolb - QB9 - PHI (8)

7.02 Stinkin Ref - Matt Cassell - QB20 - KCC (4)

1.02 Stinkin Ref - Adrian Peterson - RB2 - MIN (4)

5.02 Stinkin Ref - Jahvid Best - RB22 - DET (7)

9.02 Stinkin Ref - LaDanian Tomlinson - RB40 -NYJ (7)

2.15 Stinkin Ref - Steve Smith - WR12 - CAR (6)

3.02 Stinkin Ref - Vincent Jackson - WR14 - SDC (10)

6.15 Stinkin Ref - Devin Aromashodu - WR38 - CHI (8)

8.15 Stinkin Ref - Terrell Owens - WR45 - UFA (?)

10.15 Stinkin Ref- Mario Manningham - WR62 - NYG (8)

11.02 Stinkin Ref- Jeremy Shockey - TE18 - NOS (10)

I'm ok with this so far....got some bye weeks I need to cover...and hopefully TO signs with a team that helps my bye week situation instead of making it worse....

 

[Crippler]

Stinkin Ref:

4.15 Stinkin Ref - Kevin Kolb - QB9 - PHI (8)

7.02 Stinkin Ref - Matt Cassell - QB20 - KCC (4)

1.02 Stinkin Ref - Adrian Peterson - RB2 - MIN (4)

5.02 Stinkin Ref - Jahvid Best - RB22 - DET (7)

9.02 Stinkin Ref - LaDanian Tomlinson - RB40 -NYJ (7)

2.15 Stinkin Ref - Steve Smith - WR12 - CAR (6)

3.02 Stinkin Ref - Vincent Jackson - WR14 - SDC (10)

6.15 Stinkin Ref - Devin Aromashodu - WR38 - CHI (8)

8.15 Stinkin Ref - Terrell Owens - WR45 - UFA (?)

10.15 Stinkin Ref- Mario Manningham - WR62 - NYG (8)

11.02 Stinkin Ref- Jeremy Shockey - TE18 - NOS (10)

I'm ok with this so far....got some bye weeks I need to cover...and hopefully TO signs with a team that helps my bye week situation instead of making it worse....

I like this team better than Ruff's in the end.

 

[Pickle Rody]

While I generally like my team so far, I wouldn't put it at the top. And, it is entirely possible that I screw up my team before we are all said and done. Which would be "in the end."

 

[Pickle Rody]

Ruffrodys:

5.06 - Joe Flacco, QB11, Bal (8)

8.11 - Matt Moore, QB29, Car (6)

1.06 - Maurice Jones-Drew, RB5, Jac (9)

3.06 - Ryan Mathews, RB11, SD (10)

10.11 - Steve Slaton, RB46, Hou (7)

2.11 - Marques Colston, WR10, NO (10)

4.11 - Percy Harvin, WR22, Min (4)

6.11 - Derrick Mason, WR35, Bal (8)

9.06 - Kevin Walter, WR48, Hou (7)

7.06 - John Carlson, TE14, Sea (5)

11.06 - Bo Scaife, TE19, Ten (9)

I like Scaife as a TE2 over another yet to be named TE.........will enlighten later.

 

[jeter23]

6.01 jeter23 - Brett Favre - QB15 - MIN (4)

8.01 jeter23 - Matt Leinart - QB25 - ARI (6)

3.16 jeter23 - Jonathan Stewart - RB17 - CAR (6)

5.16 jeter23 - CJ Spiller - RB26 - BUF (6)

7.16 jeter23 - Donald Brown - RB32 - IND (7)

1.16 jeter23 - Randy Moss - WR5 - NEP (5)

2.01 jeter23 - Calvin Johnson - WR6 - DET (7)

9.16 jeter23 - Devin Hester - WR53 - CHI (8)

10.01 jeter23 - Mohammad Massaquoi - WR54 - CLE (8)

12.01 jeter23 - Mike Williams - WR69 - TB (4)

4.01 jeter23 - Brent Celek - TE7 - PHI (8)

11.16 jeter23 - Dallas Def8 (4)

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

<Rosters>

Jeff Pasquino

QB: Matt Ryan (8), David Garrard (9)

RB: Ryan Grant (10) , Clinton Portis (9) , Willis McGahee (8)

WR: Larry Fitzgerald (6), DeSean Jackson (8) , Santana Moss (9) , Santonio Holmes (7)

TE: Owen Daniels (7)

PK:

DEF: San Diego (10)

OK, some interesting choices in the last few rounds.

Wanted Kevin Walter, but got Santonio Holmes. I'm OK with that.

After that one I was torn on going RB/WR, WR/RB or even RB/RB.....and then went RB/Defense.

My thoughts for Round 10: Kevin Walter (picked), McGahee or Thomas Jones.

Considerations for Round 11: Leon Washington, Malcom Floyd (picked), another WR.

I went with McGahee over TJones in a very close decision. I'm still wondering if that was a good call or not, but I made my bed and I'll lie in it.

McGahee isn't a stud / feature back any longer - but looking at his numbers and you have to appreciate what he's done. He's been Top 32 or better all 6 of his seasons, with 2 Top 10s and a Top 15. Baltimore runs a ton and even if some of the carries go away due to a more balanced attack, McGahee will still be in the mix to spell Ray Rice because that's what works for the Ravens. I like him as a solid RB3.

All that said, I also think TJones will be a GL vulture in KC - the question ultimately is who gets more TDs, TJ or McGahee. I think it's close.

As far as Round 11, once Floyd went I decided to go and get a top notch defense instead. San Diego has one of the easiest schedules in the league, a very good December schedule, good returners and big play defenders. Sounds good to me.

 

[tex]

QB-Romo-4

QB-Orton-9

RB-Benson-6

RB-Reggie Bush-10

RB-Maroney-5

RB-Mike Bell-8

WR-Ward-5

WR-Evans-6

WR-Cotchery-7

WR-Devin Thomas-9

WR-Demaryous Thomas-9

WR-Bernard Berrian-4

TE-Clark-7

TE-Watson-8

D/ST-Atlanta-8

Probably a little early for Demaryous, but I wanted him and I really think he will put up better #'s than several WR's taken before him. I've got solid depth at WR and no bye week issues to speak of. I think Benson will be solid and with Romo and Clark both top 5 at their positions, I like this team pretty well. Adding that I know Bell was probably a reach but I don't think McCoy can handle a full load so Bell will get a lot of touches and probably a handful of short yardage TD's. He'll be a solid RB4. IMO insane value on Berrian at 15.12.

 

[bostonfred]

QB: Peyton Manning

RB1: Ronnie Brown/Ricky Williams

RB2: Tim Hightower

WR1: Robert Meachem, Devery Henderson and Lance Moore

WR2: Steve Smith (NYG)

WR3: Mike Sims-Walker

TE: Gates

DST: New York Jets

I'd take any of those positions against anyone else's, except RB2 and maybe WR1. I have no depth whatsoever for bye weeks, but I have them spread out fairly well until week 10, when I lose Gates and all three of the Saints WRs. My #2 running back spot is admittedly a huge liability, and my lack of depth is mildly disturbing, but I am very happy with this team so far.

 

[Pickle Rody]

I really don't want to be a jerk here, but is it at all possible to get the teams updated?.....it's been a few rounds. I really like being able to see what others have vs. need and seeing it all in one post makes it easier. I gotta scheme and plan for my next attack!!!

B-fred.....what the hell happened? I liked your TE/QB start. I was even thinking your next 5 picks were okay and things would straighten themselves out for you. Nope. Since round 7 you've screwed the pooch on just about every pick. You took the Jets too early for my tastes and now you are counting on 3 New Orleans WR's to account for your WR1? Just a bad move IMO. I hope things get better for you towards the end here, but I think you've cornered yourself with a pile of crap and you've only got a toothpick to dig out with.

Best of luck to you!

Rody

 

[Jason Wood]

QB Aaron Rodgers

QB Josh Freeman

RB Chester Taylor

RB DeAngelo Williams

RB Michael Bush

RB LenDale White

WR Chad Ochocinco

WR Golden Tate

WR Mike Wallace

WR Dexter McCluster

TE Kellen Winslow

DEF Philadelphia Eagles

Not happy that I'm relying on two rookie WRs, but I had to stick to my board and had them both well ahead of anyone else available at the position when my picks were up.

 

[Nugget]

I really don't want to be a jerk here, but is it at all possible to get the teams updated?.....it's been a few rounds. I really like being able to see what others have vs. need and seeing it all in one post makes it easier. I gotta scheme and plan for my next attack!!!B-fred.....what the hell happened? I liked your TE/QB start. I was even thinking your next 5 picks were okay and things would straighten themselves out for you. Nope. Since round 7 you've screwed the pooch on just about every pick. You took the Jets too early for my tastes and now you are counting on 3 New Orleans WR's to account for your WR1? Just a bad move IMO. I hope things get better for you towards the end here, but I think you've cornered yourself with a pile of crap and you've only got a toothpick to dig out with.Best of luck to you!Rody

Updated - We've picked up the pace a bit. I updated Tuesday mid day - we've had 61 picks since then.Liked my team through 7 rounds - downhill since. Someone needs to start a kicker run so I can try out the orange.

 

[Pickle Rody]

12.04 Greg Olsen, TE CHI

Now, this pick I like........he was the other tight end I had considered at 11.06. Felt that Scaife was a better option for my team. Olsen will be a fine fill-in during Gates' bye week. I don't think you'll use him otherwise.......maybe a week or two at most.Starting the recovery process, you are.

 

[bostonfred]

B-fred.....what the hell happened? I liked your TE/QB start. I was even thinking your next 5 picks were okay and things would straighten themselves out for you. Nope. Since round 7 you've screwed the pooch on just about every pick. You took the Jets too early for my tastes and now you are counting on 3 New Orleans WR's to account for your WR1? Just a bad move IMO. I hope things get better for you towards the end here, but I think you've cornered yourself with a pile of crap and you've only got a toothpick to dig out with.

The funny thing is I thought my first few picks were fairly standard, and I absolutely love my last few picks. Let's walk through our two teams position by position:QB: Joe Flacco and Matt Moore vs. Peyton Manning and TBD:Advantage: FredRB1: Maurice Jones-Drew vs. Ronnie Brown/Ricky WilliamsAdvantage: RodyRB2: Ryan Mathews and Steve Slaton vs. Tim Hightower and TBDAdvantage: RodyWR1: Marques Colston vs. Meachem, Henderson and MooreAdvantage: This is interesting. Colston isn't the highest scoring WR in New Orleans every week, and while Colston can put up a stinker on any given week, it's rare that all three of my guys will do the same. WR2: Percy Harvin vs. Steve Smith, NYGAdvantage: FredWR3: Derrick Mason and Kevin Walter vs. Mike Sims-Walker and TBDAdvantage: I think it's me again. TE: John Carlson and Bo Scaife vs. Gates and OlsenAdvantage: FredDST: ??? vs. NY Jets I've got the higher scoring team by a long shot at QB, TE, and DST. I think I've got stronger WRs as well, but even if you're in love with your guys and hate mine, it's reasonably close. You've got better running backs - by far! - but that's the only position where you're stronger. I'd put some side action on this team against yours for overall scoring, lasts longer, or whatever. Let me know if you're interested.

 

[Pickle Rody]

Interesting thoughts Fred...........I'm pretty drunk and stoned right now, so I'll revisit this around 10:00 AM Eastern today and try to put together some cohesive thoughts regarding your comparison of our two teams. I'll highly consider your side bet options as well!!

See you then.....

 

[Crippler]

Lots of nice picks in the 11th and start of 12th. A big amount of my sleepers went including Mike Williams TB.

 

[tex]

Big mistake on my part not taking Olsen at 11.12. Although I do like Thomas, I just assumed Olsen was gone. I need to be more thorough.

 

[jeter23]

Big mistake on my part not taking Olsen at 11.12. Although I do like Thomas, I just assumed Olsen was gone. I need to be more thorough.

I was set to take Olsen, but he had the same bye week as my TE1. Great value, even with Martz in town.

 

[BassNBrew]

6.01 jeter23 - Brett Favre - QB15 - MIN (4)

8.01 jeter23 - Matt Leinart - QB25 - ARI (6)

3.16 jeter23 - Jonathan Stewart - RB17 - CAR (6)

5.16 jeter23 - CJ Spiller - RB26 - BUF (6)

7.16 jeter23 - Donald Brown - RB32 - IND (7)

1.16 jeter23 - Randy Moss - WR5 - NEP (5)

2.01 jeter23 - Calvin Johnson - WR6 - DET (7)

9.16 jeter23 - Devin Hester - WR53 - CHI (8)

10.01 jeter23 - Mohammad Massaquoi - WR54 - CLE (8)

12.01 jeter23 - Mike Williams - WR69 - TB (4)

4.01 jeter23 - Brent Celek - TE7 - PHI (8)

11.16 jeter23 - Dallas Def8 (4)

This is my favorite team of the last few listed.

 

[Jason Wood]

6.01 jeter23 - Brett Favre - QB15 - MIN (4)

8.01 jeter23 - Matt Leinart - QB25 - ARI (6)

3.16 jeter23 - Jonathan Stewart - RB17 - CAR (6)

5.16 jeter23 - CJ Spiller - RB26 - BUF (6)

7.16 jeter23 - Donald Brown - RB32 - IND (7)

1.16 jeter23 - Randy Moss - WR5 - NEP (5)

2.01 jeter23 - Calvin Johnson - WR6 - DET (7)

9.16 jeter23 - Devin Hester - WR53 - CHI (8)

10.01 jeter23 - Mohammad Massaquoi - WR54 - CLE (8)

12.01 jeter23 - Mike Williams - WR69 - TB (4)

4.01 jeter23 - Brent Celek - TE7 - PHI (8)

11.16 jeter23 - Dallas Def8 (4)

This is my favorite team of the last few listed.

Interesting. I personally worry that he could have zero starting QBs within a few weeks, or one at most. And I'm on record as not being a big Spiller fan, particularly this year. Love his WRs and Celek though He sniped Williams from me that round.

 

[BassNBrew]

6.01 jeter23 - Brett Favre - QB15 - MIN (4)

8.01 jeter23 - Matt Leinart - QB25 - ARI (6)

3.16 jeter23 - Jonathan Stewart - RB17 - CAR (6)

5.16 jeter23 - CJ Spiller - RB26 - BUF (6)

7.16 jeter23 - Donald Brown - RB32 - IND (7)

1.16 jeter23 - Randy Moss - WR5 - NEP (5)

2.01 jeter23 - Calvin Johnson - WR6 - DET (7)

9.16 jeter23 - Devin Hester - WR53 - CHI (8)

10.01 jeter23 - Mohammad Massaquoi - WR54 - CLE (8)

12.01 jeter23 - Mike Williams - WR69 - TB (4)

4.01 jeter23 - Brent Celek - TE7 - PHI (8)

11.16 jeter23 - Dallas Def8 (4)

This is my favorite team of the last few listed.

Interesting. I personally worry that he could have zero starting QBs within a few weeks, or one at most. And I'm on record as not being a big Spiller fan, particularly this year. Love his WRs and Celek though He sniped Williams from me that round.

If his QBs play he picked up a 1/2 to full round of value with every RB and QB on his roster. This is the type of squad that will post some huge weeks.

 

[Crippler]

6.01 jeter23 - Brett Favre - QB15 - MIN (4)

8.01 jeter23 - Matt Leinart - QB25 - ARI (6)

3.16 jeter23 - Jonathan Stewart - RB17 - CAR (6)

5.16 jeter23 - CJ Spiller - RB26 - BUF (6)

7.16 jeter23 - Donald Brown - RB32 - IND (7)

1.16 jeter23 - Randy Moss - WR5 - NEP (5)

2.01 jeter23 - Calvin Johnson - WR6 - DET (7)

9.16 jeter23 - Devin Hester - WR53 - CHI (8)

10.01 jeter23 - Mohammad Massaquoi - WR54 - CLE (8)

12.01 jeter23 - Mike Williams - WR69 - TB (4)

4.01 jeter23 - Brent Celek - TE7 - PHI (8)

11.16 jeter23 - Dallas Def8 (4)

This is my favorite team of the last few listed.

Interesting. I personally worry that he could have zero starting QBs within a few weeks, or one at most. And I'm on record as not being a big Spiller fan, particularly this year. Love his WRs and Celek though He sniped Williams from me that round.

If his QBs play he picked up a 1/2 to full round of value with every RB and QB on his roster. This is the type of squad that will post some huge weeks.

I loved the start of this team. It could post some huge weeks for sure Bass but it could also post some duds and that is the issue. It is the RB`s that scare me with no clear cut starter and he could easily get like 2 pts in any given week from them. DId not like the Hester pick but think he made a great one with Williams if he keeps his head on straight. QB is risky for sure but you want to win, you got to take risk and I like the duo. Brett is not back and it will be early golf course for this team. The RB`s dont have me liking it that much. Stinkin Ref is the team I like best next to mine of course. Pasquino is the other one I like also.

 

[Yellow Line is Unoffcial]

The Yellow Line is Unofficial

QB: Matt Stafford (7), Jake Delhomme (8)

RB: Frank Gore (9), Beanie Wells (6), Ahmad Bradshaw (8), Darren McFadden (10)

WR: Greg Jennings (10), Dez Bryant (4), Jabar Gaffney (9), Chaz Schillens (10)

TE: Chris Cooley (9), Brandon Pettigrew (7)

PK:

DEF: Baltimore Ravens (8)

I'm sure I'll be about the only person to like this team.

QBs I like Matt Stafford to be a top 10 QB this year, he has lot's of new toys and the Defense is still weak enough they should be throwing alot. Got caught in the QB2 run by the time it was my pick all that was left were scraps so I took value elsewhere and waited for Jake.

RBs Obviously I'm higher on Gore than most I think he will be a 3 down back on a run first team. Wells should be a great RB2, Between Bradshaw and Mcfadden I have some high upside at fairly low risk.

WRs Nice Solid Group. Jennings should bounce back this year, Dez has all the tallent and should see the field pleanty, Schillens finally has a QB. I think Gaffney could be the key to this group, he has the most knowledge of McDaniel's offense and looked oustanding in week 17 last year without Marshall.

TEs Perfect storm for Cooley this year, McNabb likes TEs and has said they will be using them alot. Kyle Shanahan has a history using TEs. Pettigrew should be an OK backup.

 

[Nugget]

Nugget

QB: Drew Brees , Carson Palmer

RB: Michael Turner , Shonn Greene , Jerome Harrison

WR: TJ Houshmandzadeh , Antonio Bryant , Arrelious Benn , Roy Williams , Early Doucet

TE: Tony Gonzalez

PK:

DEF: Minnesota Vikings

QB - Solid - should be with a first rounder - Palmer was too much value to paass up on. I had him after Cutler, McNabb but before Flacco an Ryan.

RB - Had to take Turner in the 2nd. Greene in the 4th screamed value, should have snagged LT to pair with. Harrison may have been a bit early, but I think he gets 60% of the carries in CLE. Need one more with the double week 8 bye.

WR - Glaring weakness. Housh and Bryant would make good WR2 and WR3, but I skipped WR1. Hoping Roy is motivated with Bryant and Dez takes a while to gel in Dallas. Benn is in Tampa I can't name a starting WR in Tampa so I took him. Early Doucet showed flashes and with Boldin gone he'll be on the field in 3WR sets - whcih is a lot in the desert.

TE - Gonzo needs one more solid year.

DEF - Vikings- Great Defense, week 4 bye is beneficial.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

The Yellow Line is Unofficial

QB: Matt Stafford (7), Jake Delhomme (8)

RB: Frank Gore (9), Beanie Wells (6), Ahmad Bradshaw (8), Darren McFadden (10)

WR: Greg Jennings (10), Dez Bryant (4), Jabar Gaffney (9), Chaz Schillens (10)

TE: Chris Cooley (9), Brandon Pettigrew (7)

PK:

DEF: Baltimore Ravens (8)

I'm sure I'll be about the only person to like this team.

QBs I like Matt Stafford to be a top 10 QB this year, he has lot's of new toys and the Defense is still weak enough they should be throwing alot. Got caught in the QB2 run by the time it was my pick all that was left were scraps so I took value elsewhere and waited for Jake.

RBs Obviously I'm higher on Gore than most I think he will be a 3 down back on a run first team. Wells should be a great RB2, Between Bradshaw and Mcfadden I have some high upside at fairly low risk.

WRs Nice Solid Group. Jennings should bounce back this year, Dez has all the tallent and should see the field pleanty, Schillens finally has a QB. I think Gaffney could be the key to this group, he has the most knowledge of McDaniel's offense and looked oustanding in week 17 last year without Marshall.

TEs Perfect storm for Cooley this year, McNabb likes TEs and has said they will be using them alot. Kyle Shanahan has a history using TEs. Pettigrew should be an OK backup.

Yes, I think you're correct - not many will like this team.Stafford in the Top 10?? Possible, but not probable. Brees/Rodgers/Manning/Brady/Romo/Rivers/Schaub are the probable Top 7, with Favre not far behind. That leaves two places for Flacco/Kolb/McNabb/Stafford/Cutler/Eli.

Top 15? Yes. Top 10? Not sure about that.

WRs - Again, I disagree on the "nice solid group". Jennings at WR1? Fine. Dez at WR2? OK, despite the "rookie WR" phenomenon of years past were 1-2 max rookie WRs are even relevant. Dez is super-talented so I can give you WR2 if you like - and Roy Williams is pretty much done. Now, Gaffney and Schilens combined for a WR3 - that's where you're losing me. Gaffney could be a decent possession receiver, but there's 4 guys who could be in the lineup for Denver at any given time. Schilens? Health issues and two other WRs are also competing for touches.

Coupled to this is two Week 10 byes, which means you have just two guys that week so far.

I'm not saying that this is a TERRIBLE group, but it isn't solid.

To end on a positive note, I like your TEs. Good group of upside guys and I think Cooley will be back in the Top 10 once again.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

<Rosters>

Jeff Pasquino

QB: Matt Ryan (8), David Garrard (9)

RB: Ryan Grant (10), Clinton Portis (9), Willis McGahee (8)

WR: Larry Fitzgerald (6), DeSean Jackson (8), Santana Moss (9), Santonio Holmes (7), Brian Hartline (5)

TE: Owen Daniels (7), Anthony Fasano (5)

PK:

DEF: San Diego (10)

Brian Hartline is the favorite for me to start opposite of Brandon Marshall and I figure he finds the end zone at least four times this year. That's good enough for WR5 value to me.Anthony Fasano also looks decent for a TE2 behind Owen Daniels - waiting this long pushes me into the TE20+ category, and with Scaife gone (good pick) there's sketchy options left. I'll take a clear starter for a developing passing game in Miami.

 

[Pickle Rody]

The funny thing is I thought my first few picks were fairly standard, and I absolutely love my last few picks. Let's walk through our two teams position by position:

QB: Joe Flacco and Matt Moore vs. Peyton Manning and TBD:

Advantage: Fred

I'll give you this one. I consider Manning to be elite top 3 in 2010. I think Flacco makes it into the top 10. Advantage Fred at QB1.

RB1: Maurice Jones-Drew vs. Ronnie Brown/Ricky Williams

Advantage: Rody

RB2: Ryan Mathews and Steve Slaton vs. Tim Hightower and TBD

Advantage: Rody

I figure Jones-Drew for at least a top 6 RB. Brown/Williams should be top 16. Agree: advantage Rody. I think Mathews will easily be a top 16 RB, which puts him at the low end of RB1's. I really think my RB's blow the doors off of your jalopy. I would maybe put Slaton and Hightower top 32 at this point. Agree: advantage Rody.

WR1: Marques Colston vs. Meachem, Henderson and Moore

Advantage: This is interesting. Colston isn't the highest scoring WR in New Orleans every week, and while Colston can put up a stinker on any given week, it's rare that all three of my guys will do the same.

I like Colston for a top 10 WR. One of Meachem, Henderson or Moore will make the top 20, but the other two might have a hard time sniffing top 32. On an average weekly basis, I think Colston dominates your trio. Advantage: Rody

WR2: Percy Harvin vs. Steve Smith, NYG

Advantage: Fred

WR3: Derrick Mason and Kevin Walter vs. Mike Sims-Walker and TBD

Advantage: I think it's me again.

Gonna switch it up here a little bit. I know I drafted Harvin before Mason, but I really think Mason will end up being my WR2 so I'm pitting Mason vs. Smith here. Personally, I like Nicks over Smith in G-men country. I think Smith drops off a little bit this season.....not much, but some. I just have a gut feeling that Mason vs. Smith is a wash here. No advantage at WR2.Sticking with the player switch, it's Harvin, Walter, Avant vs. Sims-Walker, etc. I do like me some Sims-Walker, for sure. But I really don't know how you could even think that Sims-Walker and TBD are going to be putting up more points at WR3 than Harvin & Walter. Avant is just a nice addition from a pass-happy team. He might get on my teams scoreboard once or twice, but I don't expect it. At this point I have to say that its advantage Rody at WR3.

TE: John Carlson and Bo Scaife vs. Gates and Olsen

Advantage: Fred

DST: ??? vs. NY Jets

I've got the higher scoring team by a long shot at QB, TE, and DST. I think I've got stronger WRs as well, but even if you're in love with your guys and hate mine, it's reasonably close. You've got better running backs - by far! - but that's the only position where you're stronger. I'd put some side action on this team against yours for overall scoring, lasts longer, or whatever. Let me know if you're interested.

TE's - Agree: advantage Fred. D's - Titans vs. Jets. Advantage Fred.I think you've really hampered your teams possibilities by going the RBBC/WRBC route at the top slots relative to those positions. I'm struggling to express my thoughts on this, but I think the best I can do is that I think you've limited your teams upside by squirreling away Miami's RB's and New Orleans' second tier WR's. I'm sorry, I just don't follow your logic here.

Like I've stated before, I like a lot of your players. I just don't think your team stacks up well against mine at all. I am considering your proposal and would like to reserve my decision until after the draft is complete. Okay with you?

Best of luck in 2010 Fred!!!

 

[Pickle Rody]

My favorite teams so far, in order of draft slot only......

Draft Slot, Team, Key Players, my short opinion.....

1. menobrown - RB Johnson, WR Rice & TE Finley will go a long way......

2. Stinkin Ref - QB Kolb (who is underated), RB Peterson & WR's Smith & Jackson will keep this team in it for a while.....

5. teamramrod - QB Brady, RB Rice, WR's Crabtree & Bowe make this team strong and a contender....

6. Ruffrodys05 - QB Flacco isn't top tier, but RB's Jones-Drew & Mathews and WR's Colston, Mason & Harvin give this team a truly legitimate chance......

7. Jeff Pasquino - QB Ryan, RB Grant, WR's Fitzgerald & Jackson, TE Daniels - they form one of the strongest nucleus' in this league and this team is intimidating to say the least...

16. jeter23 - QB Favre, RB's Stewart & Spiller, WR's Moss & Calvin, TE Celek - this team looks deceiving.......at first glance you might not think it is strong, but the quirky combination of these players will propel jeter23 into the final 6 teams, IMO.

I know some of you will be slightly disappointed I didn't mention your team here, but at this point (we're not even through round 13) this is how I see the top 6 teams shaking out. It's a little premature to suggest this right now, but I just thought I'd throw this out for some discussion. Quite frankly I think all 16 teams have some good strong points and the competition level is pretty fierce in this league.

 

[Stinkin Ref]

12.04 Greg Olsen, TE CHI

Now, this pick I like........he was the other tight end I had considered at 11.06. Felt that Scaife was a better option for my team. Olsen will be a fine fill-in during Gates' bye week. I don't think you'll use him otherwise.......maybe a week or two at most.Starting the recovery process, you are.

had to pass on Olsen because of bye week conflicts....but not sure I should have....

 

[Stinkin Ref]

B-fred.....what the hell happened? I liked your TE/QB start. I was even thinking your next 5 picks were okay and things would straighten themselves out for you. Nope. Since round 7 you've screwed the pooch on just about every pick. You took the Jets too early for my tastes and now you are counting on 3 New Orleans WR's to account for your WR1? Just a bad move IMO. I hope things get better for you towards the end here, but I think you've cornered yourself with a pile of crap and you've only got a toothpick to dig out with.

The funny thing is I thought my first few picks were fairly standard, and I absolutely love my last few picks. Let's walk through our two teams position by position:QB: Joe Flacco and Matt Moore vs. Peyton Manning and TBD:

Advantage: Fred

RB1: Maurice Jones-Drew vs. Ronnie Brown/Ricky Williams

Advantage: Rody

RB2: Ryan Mathews and Steve Slaton vs. Tim Hightower and TBD

Advantage: Rody

WR1: Marques Colston vs. Meachem, Henderson and Moore

Advantage: This is interesting. Colston isn't the highest scoring WR in New Orleans every week, and while Colston can put up a stinker on any given week, it's rare that all three of my guys will do the same.

WR2: Percy Harvin vs. Steve Smith, NYG

Advantage: Fred

WR3: Derrick Mason and Kevin Walter vs. Mike Sims-Walker and TBD

Advantage: I think it's me again.

TE: John Carlson and Bo Scaife vs. Gates and Olsen

Advantage: Fred

DST: ??? vs. NY Jets

I've got the higher scoring team by a long shot at QB, TE, and DST. I think I've got stronger WRs as well, but even if you're in love with your guys and hate mine, it's reasonably close. You've got better running backs - by far! - but that's the only position where you're stronger. I'd put some side action on this team against yours for overall scoring, lasts longer, or whatever. Let me know if you're interested.

I would be intrested in getting in on this if possible.......

 

[jeter23]

What is our time out update?

I know Wood has 1.

I think Ram has 1 or 2.

Bum has a few. Not sure what his clock is at right now.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

What is our time out update?I know Wood has 1.I think Ram has 1 or 2.Bum has a few. Not sure what his clock is at right now.

Given that bum and ram are on 1-2 hour clocks and have just 5 picks left, I think they should be PM'ing lists every round at this point to avoid another timeout.

 

[jeter23]

6.01 jeter23 - Brett Favre - QB15 - MIN (4)

8.01 jeter23 - Matt Leinart - QB25 - ARI (6)

3.16 jeter23 - Jonathan Stewart - RB17 - CAR (6)

5.16 jeter23 - CJ Spiller - RB26 - BUF (6)

7.16 jeter23 - Donald Brown - RB32 - IND (7)

13.16 jeter23 - Marshawn Lynch - RB55 - BUF (6)

18.01 jeter23 - Javon Ringer - RB - TEN (9)

1.16 jeter23 - Randy Moss - WR5 - NEP (5)

2.01 jeter23 - Calvin Johnson - WR6 - DET (7)

9.16 jeter23 - Devin Hester - WR53 - CHI (8)

10.01 jeter23 - Mohammad Massaquoi - WR54 - CLE (8)

12.01 jeter23 - Mike Williams - WR69 - TB (4)

17.16 jeter23 - Jordy Nelson - WR - GB (10)

4.01 jeter23 - Brent Celek - TE7 - PHI (8)

14.01 jeter23 - Jared Cook - TE25 - TEN (9)

11.16 jeter23 - Dallas Def8 (4)

15.15 - jeter23 - Houston Def (7)

16.01 jeter23 - Jeff Reed - PK - PIT (5)

 

[Pickle Rody]

Ruffrodys:

5.06 - Joe Flacco, QB11, Bal (8)

8.11 - Matt Moore, QB29, Car (6)

1.06 - Maurice Jones-Drew, RB5, Jac (9)

3.06 - Ryan Mathews, RB11, SD (10)

10.11 - Steve Slaton, RB46, Hou (7)

14.11 - Jerious Norwood, RB57, Atl (8)

2.11 - Marques Colston, WR10, NO (10)

4.11 - Percy Harvin, WR22, Min (4)

6.11 - Derrick Mason, WR35, Bal (8)

9.06 - Kevin Walter, WR48, Hou (7)

12.11 - Jason Avant, WR73, Phi (8)

7.06 - John Carlson, TE14, Sea (5)

11.06 - Bo Scaife, TE19, Ten (9)

13.06 - Titans, D15, Ten (9)

Avant, Titans and Norwood with my last 3 picks. Avant is extra meat at WR and won't likely get into my starting unit much, but the possibility for it in Philly's offense is there. I like the Titans to rebound from last year slightly. Not a big fan of taking defenses early but I also don't want to be left with the dregs. Norwood is a steal here in the 14th. Even if Turner is back up to full speed, Norwood will still see plenty of touches in 2010. I am beginning to really like this team.

 

[Jason Wood]

Ruffrodys:

5.06 - Joe Flacco, QB11, Bal (8)

8.11 - Matt Moore, QB29, Car (6)

1.06 - Maurice Jones-Drew, RB5, Jac (9)

3.06 - Ryan Mathews, RB11, SD (10)

10.11 - Steve Slaton, RB46, Hou (7)

14.11 - Jerious Norwood, RB57, Atl (8)

2.11 - Marques Colston, WR10, NO (10)

4.11 - Percy Harvin, WR22, Min (4)

6.11 - Derrick Mason, WR35, Bal (8)

9.06 - Kevin Walter, WR48, Hou (7)

12.11 - Jason Avant, WR73, Phi (8)

7.06 - John Carlson, TE14, Sea (5)

11.06 - Bo Scaife, TE19, Ten (9)

13.06 - Titans, D15, Ten (9)

Avant, Titans and Norwood with my last 3 picks. Avant is extra meat at WR and won't likely get into my starting unit much, but the possibility for it in Philly's offense is there. I like the Titans to rebound from last year slightly. Not a big fan of taking defenses early but I also don't want to be left with the dregs. Norwood is a steal here in the 14th. Even if Turner is back up to full speed, Norwood will still see plenty of touches in 2010. I am beginning to really like this team.

Avant is one of those players that has almost no value in 10- and 12-team redraft leagues barring an injury but is a choice consideration in a format like this. The Eagles love him, he was rewarded with a new contract, he's ego neutral and comfortable in whatever role they ask of him, and is going to have those random games that can really help you win a week.

 

[Crippler]

QB: Phillip Rivers(10) , Ben Roethlisberger(5)

RB: LeSean McCoy(8) , Matt Forte(8) , Thomas Jones(4), Kevin Smith(7)

WR: Andre Johnson(7) , Anquan Boldin(8) , Steve Breaston(6) , Donnie Avery(9) , James Jones(10)

TE: Dustin Keller(7) , Jermaie Gresham(6)

PK:

DEF: Pittsburgh Steelers (5)

I really like my team other than one thing I did not look at really because this is just for fun which is bye weeks with my top 2 RB. QB I got a top 5 guy and another I feel is top 10 after his suspension. They work nice together. RB is solid with McCoy and Forte being good pass catchers. Jones will have his weeks and hopefully Smith is fully recovered by week 8 as I think Best is not a full workload type of guy. Love my WR's. One of the best fivesomes in the league. Jones is nice in this format as he has big weeks when he scores usually or nothing. My TE is kind of weak unfortunately but I think Gresham has chance for ROY in the end. They are young and talented and one never knows when someone will break out and both have a chance. Top notch D to hopefully make up for my TE shortcomings.

4 more rounds to go. Need a D and a PK. Than the decision if 2 PK and than will I add another RB, WR or TE to the mix. RB is probably out as not much left

 

[Pickle Rody]

14.13 Kevin Smith RB Det

I gave him some serious consideration at 14.11, but decided that Norwood was the safer pick of the two. I just felt that Smith was too much of a flyer with his recent injury/recovery. If he is back in the mix with a decent workload after week 8 he should do fine for you in RB3/RB4 duties.

 

[Crippler]

14.13 Kevin Smith RB Det

I gave him some serious consideration at 14.11, but decided that Norwood was the safer pick of the two. I just felt that Smith was too much of a flyer with his recent injury/recovery. If he is back in the mix with a decent workload after week 8 he should do fine for you in RB3/RB4 duties.

I am glad you did. Norwood was not even in consideration and I would have waited on my last RB for a player not yet taken that I prefer way to Norwood. I might still take him but there is some nice WR's I like for flyers also. I need 19 rounds.

 

[Stinkin Ref]

Stinkin Ref:

4.15 Stinkin Ref - Kevin Kolb - QB9 - PHI (8)

7.02 Stinkin Ref - Matt Cassell - QB20 - KCC (4)

1.02 Stinkin Ref - Adrian Peterson - RB2 - MIN (4)

5.02 Stinkin Ref - Jahvid Best - RB22 - DET (7)

9.02 Stinkin Ref - LaDanian Tomlinson - RB40 -NYJ (7)

12.14 Stinkin Ref - Toby Gerhart - TRB -MIN (4)

15.02 Stinkin Ref - Correll Buckhalter - RB - DEN (9)

2.15 Stinkin Ref - Steve Smith - WR12 - CAR (6)

3.02 Stinkin Ref - Vincent Jackson - WR14 - SDC (10)

6.15 Stinkin Ref - Devin Aromashodu - WR38 - CHI (8)

8.15 Stinkin Ref - Terrell Owens - WR45 - UFA (?)

10.15 Stinkin Ref- Mario Manningham - WR62 - NYG (8)

11.02 Stinkin Ref- Jeremy Shockey - TE18 - NOS (10)

14.15 Stinkin Ref - Tony Scheffler - TE - DET (7)

13.02 Stinkin Ref - INDY DST (7)

updated....

Gerhart pick is a handcuff which I am usually not real big on, but I could see him and ADP both starting for me on occasion if Gerhart gets some goaline love and maybe spells Peterson at the end of some games and if something happens to ADP I think Gerhart has the makeup to carry the load....hated the Buckhalter pick, but bye weeks forced me to take another RB and I was really happy to see that he was still available and right now it is really only Knowshon and Buck in that backfield....Shockey was tremendous value where I got him compared to where he went in other SSL's, which actually doesn't mean #### to me, but sounded like a good enough reason to take him....followed him up with Scheffler who I think also had some value at his spot.....TE will be the weakness of this team.......Indy DST was a pick I made before flying out the door to a baseball game with my family waiting in the car, but didn't want to hold up the draft as meno was picking.....

some decent value still out there, and if it falls to me, which it won't, I may go one PK or one DST....need to add another WR in case TO ends up with week 8 bye......so may just go one PK anyway.....almost went WR with last pick but Buck was last RB I liked that was still available.....

I like this team....

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

I liked both the Scheffler and the Kevin Smith picks. Good value plays. The only reason I picked Fasano instead was due to bye week conflict with OD.

 

[Pickle Rody]

15.05 - Aaron Brown, RB60, DET

Come on, you made that one up, right?

Honestly.....he was on his short list last round......not making it up......didn't want to just go ahead and make the pick, so I waited on a phone call........he still wants him and thinks he may push Best for the #1 in Detroit. I'm surprised because teamramrod is a Detroit homer and rarely takes Lions in these things, plus he already has Burleson.ETA: hopefully teamramrod will explain his thoughts further, but I think I got the gist of it here.....

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

15.05 - Aaron Brown, RB60, DET

Come on, you made that one up, right?

Honestly.....he was on his short list last round......not making it up......didn't want to just go ahead and make the pick, so I waited on a phone call........he still wants him and thinks he may push Best for the #1 in Detroit. I'm surprised because teamramrod is a Detroit homer and rarely takes Lions in these things, plus he already has Burleson.ETA: hopefully teamramrod will explain his thoughts further, but I think I got the gist of it here.....

I gotta hear this because he's still available in a 16-team, 53-round IDP draft and we're in Round 43..... I thought he was dead and buried.

 

[bostonfred]

QB: Peyton Manning

RB: Ronnie Brown, Ricky Williams, Tim Hightower, Brian Westbrook

WR: Steve Smith (NYG), Mike Sims-Walker, Robert Meachem, Devery Henderson, Lance Moore, Laurent Robinson

TE: Antonio Gates, Greg Olsen

PK: Stephen Gostkowski, Shayne Graham

DST: New York Jets

 

[tex]

QB-Romo-4

QB-Orton-9

RB-Benson-6

RB-Reggie Bush-10

RB-Maroney-5

RB-Mike Bell-8

WR-Ward-5

WR-Evans-6

WR-Cotchery-7

WR-Devin Thomas-9

WR-Demaryous Thomas-9

WR-Bernard Berrian-4

TE-Clark-7

TE-Watson-8

PK-Vinatieri-7

PK-Josh Brown

D/ST-Atlanta-8

D/ST-Seattle-5