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Star Wars The Last Jedi Episode 8 thread: this thread sucks, you should avoid it even after you've seen the movie (1 Viewer)
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Hawkeye21
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Exactly. It's amazing how we start sucking the fun out of things once we become adults.
Skipdog77
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Learned how to live forever, until he was killed by Palpatine/Sidious, which negated the whole "live forever" thing.
That always made my head hurt, but just rolled with it.
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Andy Dufresne
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Insein
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There are a lot of things people are forgetting in their criticism of TLJHawkeye21 said:
- You just mentioned Luke's disappearing death. Yoda did it. Seems to be par for the course for Jedi Masters to disappear upon death or to die willingly or something. Dont see the problem here.
- The complaint that anyone can now use the Force and it's not familial anymore. This one really perplexes me. I know they were terrible, but the prequels were not that long ago and there were dozens if not hundreds of Jedi/Force users from different races/families. Saying that they should be limited to particular bloodlines is ridiculous and based on nothing factual in the series.
- The acting/script. Go back and watch any of the prequels and then watch TFA or TLJ and compare the acting and the script. Go back and watch Hayden Christiansen creepily describe to Natalie Portman that she's soft, and not at all like coarse, rough sand. Go back and watch how they took Samuel L. Jackson, who could've been the baddest mother####ing Jedi ever and turned him into a cardboard cutout with a monotone voice. Then come back and compare all of that to the new movies. Driver, Hamill, and Ridley will seem Oscar caliber performers in comparison.
Smack Tripper
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Speaking for myself, I guess it’s because we never got to see Luke really be Luke again. You had that kind of ride with Han. You got 3 minutes of a hologram saber duel Across 2 moviesHawkeye21 said:
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Todem
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Agreed. I had fun seeing the movie. Just wish it was better overall. Because I love Star Wars. Just a ton of fun and I don't take it seriously at all. It's not Star Trek. My complaints are pretty minor. And it is mostly about simply the direction of the characters, the plot choices and the over abundance of obvious forced (as opposed to natural) humor this go around.
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Todem
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So true. Han Solo was/is my favorite character in the entire Star Wars Universe. And TFA was a nice send off. Hence why I immensely enjoyed the ride. I wanted a nice send off for Luke.....and they were some nice hints of Luke and some nice hints of older more crabby Luke (the milking scene was priceless). The only time I felt the true Luke Skywalker was actually when he finally saw R2 again. I got a little choked up.
I think the biggest mis-step of this film was when Rey handed Luke the lightsaber.......such an amazing ending to TFE....totally cheapened with how Luke responded to it. Maybe some liked that? It rubbed me all wrong. Again not a fan of this directors vision on this particular movie. I hope he does better with the next saga.
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Andy Dufresne
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It's not so much that anyone can be a Force user as it is that Force users can potentially come from anywhere.
That's why Rey stands up to Kylo. He tells her she's nothing because her parents were nothing. She knows that where she came from is irrelevant - she's a badass, mf'n Force user and nobody can tell her differently.
As one who thinks that is what Americanism really is, I kind of like that that message is getting subversively dispersed among the movie theaters of the world.
That's why Rey stands up to Kylo. He tells her she's nothing because her parents were nothing. She knows that where she came from is irrelevant - she's a badass, mf'n Force user and nobody can tell her differently.
As one who thinks that is what Americanism really is, I kind of like that that message is getting subversively dispersed among the movie theaters of the world.
Buddy Ball 2K3
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NewlyRetired
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Obi fades away in 4 just as Vader tries to kill him.
Hawkeye21
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Exactly. Was Obi Wan actually killed by Vader or did he disappear before he gets hit? You don't see any Jedi's fading away when they are killed in any other movie. They lay there just like any other dead person would. I don't see anyone being critical about that.
NewlyRetired
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Hawkeye21
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Andy Dufresne
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Qui Gon learned the Force Ghost thing and presumably taught it to Obi Wan who taught it to Yoda who taught it to Luke.
Smack Tripper
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You know, I loved guardians of the galaxy, those were fun movies so I don’t think age automatically equals fun going away.
I enjoyed most of my time with this movie basically up to the death of Luke which was unexpected and forces you to revisit his story because the arc is presumably closed
With that said , Did you like episode I-III?
Hawkeye21
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I enjoyed episodes I-III at the time and still don't mind them but they are not as good as the rest. They just don't give me that same feel as the rest of the movies do. Episode III was pretty sweet and made gave me some different feelings when it was over. I also thought that was going to be the last Star Wars movie ever so it was kind of depressing.
This was one of my disappointments with the movie (which, overall, I liked). I wanted to see Luke be the bad ### Jedi and fight like we saw Anakin and Obi Wan fight in episodes 4-6. Instead, we were given a bitter, sullen, depressed Luke who eschewed the Jedi ways. He was such an optimistic, cheerful person in episodes 1-3 and we never saw any of those characteristics. As someone above also wrote - I didn't like the story-line that Luke, the only Jedi-master left in the Universe and someone who beat Darth Vadar in a light saber battle, was bested by Kylo Ren when Kylo was a young kid. Luke should have been able to kick his ###. Even Obi Wan was able to dominate Anakin when Anakin was young.
Hawkeye21
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Kylo bested him? Kylo blocked his swing of the light saber, pulled the building down on him with the force and then got then got the hell out of there (after killing some students and taking some with him).
Andy Dufresne
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Luke didn't want to defeat Kylo. In his moment of regret, Kylo pulled a house down on him.
NewlyRetired
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Andy Dufresne
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Guy1: We can't destroy them because they're faster than us.
Guy2: Then why aren't they actually pulling away from us instead of simply matching our speed?
Guy1: <_< Shut up, Doug.
Guy3: Yes. Shut up, Doug.
Guy2: Then why aren't they actually pulling away from us instead of simply matching our speed?
Guy1: <_< Shut up, Doug.
Guy3: Yes. Shut up, Doug.
Insein
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Yeah, he bested him. Jedi's don't let people get away that easily. Then, after Kylo runs away, Luke decides to run and hide while letting Kylo join up with Snoke and slaughter innocent people throughout the universe? That doesn't seem like something Luke would do. But that's more a criticism of the story-line started in TFA.
Hawkeye21
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I took that whole moment as a rude awaken for Luke. He finally saw that he doesn't have a say in what others do. He saw his own flaws. For the first time since being a Jedi he's questioned what it all means and where his place is in the universe. It's more to the story and more character development, it's just not the way you want it to go.
Andy Dufresne
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Guy1: A ship entering hyperspace should cut right through that thing!
Guy2: Why have we never invented hyperspace capable missiles then? That would have been pretty useful against two Death Stars and TONS of Star Destroyers, no?
Guy1: <_< Shut up, Doug.
Guy3: Yes. Shut up, Doug
Guy2: Why have we never invented hyperspace capable missiles then? That would have been pretty useful against two Death Stars and TONS of Star Destroyers, no?
Guy1: <_< Shut up, Doug.
Guy3: Yes. Shut up, Doug
Good Posting Judge
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shader
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I watched it a second time.
When you know what's going to happen and you just watch and enjoy the movie....Ten times better.
I think they've really given themselves immense freedom to open up the entire universe. Personally, I'd love it if they announced 9 isn't the "end of the trilogy", but a new beginning.
When you know what's going to happen and you just watch and enjoy the movie....Ten times better.
I think they've really given themselves immense freedom to open up the entire universe. Personally, I'd love it if they announced 9 isn't the "end of the trilogy", but a new beginning.
NewlyRetired
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They have already announced movies 10-12 but from what little has been released they will not continue this specific story line.
Assuming Rey does not die in 9, which I think is highly unlikely that she does die, I am sure we will see her in a future movie as a much older Rey should the brand continue that long.
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Andy Dufresne
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Poe: We can't go in the little ships! They'll be seen!
[Citation needed]: Nu'uh! We have cloaking devices!
Poe: Yippie!
New Order: Ha-HA! We have magic that can see right through your cloaking device...have at you!
Poe: ####. Everyone head for Helm's Deep ASAP!
[Citation needed]: Nu'uh! We have cloaking devices!
Poe: Yippie!
New Order: Ha-HA! We have magic that can see right through your cloaking device...have at you!
Poe: ####. Everyone head for Helm's Deep ASAP!
Buzzbait
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Mark Hamill agrees. Not happy with the "new" Luke.
P.S. So Luke NEVER gave up on his father who was the supreme bad a** in the universe and seemed to be fully entrenched with the dark side but he gave up on a conflicted kid?
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Insein
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Smack Tripper
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you're consistent and to each their own. Maybe we just have different bars for fun. I and II are particularly unwatchable to me, getting to the Vader builds save III a bit but its still nothing I'll put on but watch the last 45 minutes. Fun is hardly the question though, these films are built on a legacy of a reasonably airtight three act structure and that was why I asked if we are still in the trilogy arc because if you are, your hands are a bit tied due to the concept of how stories are told.
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Andy Dufresne
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Poe: Is there a back door to this place?
Guy1: Probably, but it's through some tunnels and we might get lost.
Poe: Darn! Forget it then!
Guy2: Hey wait! One of our new ice dogs stayed back to guide us out!
Poe: Yippie! Let's go!
[A short while later]
Poe: Darn! The exit is blocked! We'll have to use our blasters to get out!
[Crowd shuffles feet and murmurs nervously]
Guy1: Uh, sir...we left all our blasting equipment behind.
Poe: You are all SO lucky I'm not a Sith.
Guy1: Probably, but it's through some tunnels and we might get lost.
Poe: Darn! Forget it then!
Guy2: Hey wait! One of our new ice dogs stayed back to guide us out!
Poe: Yippie! Let's go!
[A short while later]
Poe: Darn! The exit is blocked! We'll have to use our blasters to get out!
[Crowd shuffles feet and murmurs nervously]
Guy1: Uh, sir...we left all our blasting equipment behind.
Poe: You are all SO lucky I'm not a Sith.
Jaysus
Good times!
that is not exactly the order, and I don't feel like contributing to this nerd fest, but the additional training Yoda had for Ben at the end of Ep III was force ghost related... with some Clone Wars cartoon canon prior to that.
NewlyRetired
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you are correct, I did not read the post I quoted close enough.
Qui Gon to Yoda to Ben is the correct order.
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Todem
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Highly entertaining review here.....a lot of points of some of our hang-ups and let downs with the movie. Also the part in the review where they show the Star War's Con events....oh boy. Nerd fest. Cult bat crazy ####
It is 46 minutes long but a lot of laughs.
Enjoy.
Half In The bag The Last Jedi Review
It is 46 minutes long but a lot of laughs.
Enjoy.
Half In The bag The Last Jedi Review
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Jaysus
Good times!
Yeah, in Clone Wars, Qui Gon comes back as a force ghost and teaches it to Yoda... and Yoda does some really trippy stuff while messing with the whole force ghost / force phantom stuff. It looks like by the end of Ep3 Yoda has it figured out and wants Ben to practice it.
NewlyRetired
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I never got to see Clone Wars. Rebels is a really well made show though. Sad to see it ending but really curious how they handle the two Jedi's.
Todem
Footballguy
Scoresman
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Pretty sure it was a forgotten planet or something that nobody knew the whereabouts of.
NewlyRetired
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This is how I understood it as well. I don't think Luke even knew where it was and had to search for it. This was Han's line in TFA
"People who knew him best think he went looking for the first Jedi temple."
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
That stuff has bugged me about Star Wars going back to A New Hope - how quickly history is forgotten.
Han doesn't think the Force is real? The Jedi we're running around the galaxy when he was a kid.
Han/Leia/Luke have already passed to myth in Rey's lifetime?
Han doesn't think the Force is real? The Jedi we're running around the galaxy when he was a kid.
Han/Leia/Luke have already passed to myth in Rey's lifetime?
jabarony
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I chuckledwhen they had the fat pilotget shot down in the new one. It HAD to be an homage to pork ins.
NewlyRetired
Footballguy
The best I can come up with is that the galaxy is a big place.
Hell, every so often they do a survey in the US where people can't name the most common things about America so it is not that hard to believe in a massive Galaxy things are gong to be treated as myths if the stories even reached them.
Hawkeye21
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No kidding. How many people know where Iowa is on the map? How many Americans know who the Vice President is? For crying out loud, there are still people who think the earth is flat and that dinosaurs are made up!
