Bull Dozier
Footballguy
I'm not really understanding people who stuck with Star Wars through the prequels are bailing after the TFA and/or TLJ. Are they the magic of the or originals? No, but they are far better than the craptastic prequels.
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Capella
Footballguy
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Insein
Footballguy
Insein
Footballguy
Correct. TPM and AotC at least were set in a Star Wars universe and had a movie plot. TLJ was not and did not.So you liked 1 and 2 but not last Jedi.Got it.
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Insein
Footballguy
TFA was fine. Nothing groundbreaking but a decent movie. Something to build on. TLJ destroyed everything TFA set up and most of the SW lore and basic rules of the universe.
Capella
Footballguy
TPM was fun at least and whimsical. AOTC is one of the most boring and pointless movies I’ve ever seen. TLJ dwarfs it.
Insein
Footballguy
Capella
Footballguy
Insein
Footballguy
Capella
Footballguy
Trollllllllls. Losers had the movie under 50% before it even came out.
RT fan score:
AotC 56%
TLJ 44%
Insein
Footballguy
Yep. Of course. The cry of the denier. It can't have been bad. It was trollllllllllls or Russian bots.
Weird that that was the only Star Wars movie that they trolled huh? Most of them seems to like TFA and Rogue One. Even Solo had a decent fan score. Nope just TLJ got trolled. Ok.
Capella
Footballguy
Rotten tomatoes literally changed their fan voting system because of early voting for this movie and a few others.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
AotC was bad in an eye rolling sort of way.
TLJ was bad in an "Ahhh! My eyes!!!" sort of way.
TLJ was bad in an "Ahhh! My eyes!!!" sort of way.
Capella
Footballguy
don’t you just hate facts?
https://www.google.com/amp/s/birthmoviesdeath.com/2017/12/20/the-curious-case-of-the-last-jedi-and-its-rotten-tomatoes-audience-score/amp
“As you can see, there were a lot of respondents who signed up to review The Last Jedi and with Rotten Tomatoes, and a third of the respondents deleted their account or had their account deleted after registering. This suggests an effort was made to create a negative self-selecting bias because these new users chose to register with the site just to have their review counted in the overall Rotten Tomatoes and Metacritic score for the title.“
Insein
Footballguy
They deleted over 50k posts and it still has 44%. Why you dying for this horrible movie? Star wars fans don't like it. It's ok if you like a bad movie but understand that it is bad. I like a bunch of bad movies but I don't try to tell people how great they are. Here's some examples of these 1 star "troll" responses.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
I'm no statistician but why is it so strange that a lot of people felt SO negatively toward the movie that they were compelled to write about it, where before they wouldn't have bothered?
Capella
Footballguy
I’m not dying for it. It’s just nowhere near as bad as you want to paint it to be. And if you read the article the comscore site has it over 90% with the fans.
Capella
Footballguy
Rose. Same reason they crushed Captain Marvel before the movie came out, causing RT to change their system.
in other words, super sexist internet losers.
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Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Insein
Footballguy
Yea a lot of stuff is 90% when you take out the negative reviews, lol.I’m not dying for it. It’s just nowhere near as bad as you want to paint it to be. And if you read the article the comscore site has it over 90% with the fans.
Capella
Footballguy
Couldn’t answer that one man. I do think there was another one that was as well besides those two, but can’t remember specifics.
Capella
Footballguy
Wat. Just go read the article in the link that starts with comscore. It’s ok to challenge your thinking. It doesn’t negate your own opinion.
Insein
Footballguy
Wonder Woman. Fine. Alita Battle Angel. Fine. Hunger Games. Fine. Atomic blonde. Fine.
Nope it's definitely just sexist racists that hate these movies because they got wahmen and minorities in it. Do you hear how dumb you sound?
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Trolling or not, they got it right. Both Rose and Captain Marvel are terrible characters.
Insein
Footballguy
I'd say the same for you but you bought in. Can't ask yourself why are there only racist, sexist manbabies "attacking" TLJ and not the other Star Wars movies. TFA is mostly loved by fans. Has more fan votes too (230k to TLJs 210k). But no you got it right. Has to be a conspiracy. Can't just be the fans telling the people making the movie that their movie sucks.
Capella
Footballguy
So you think a major business like RT changed their models becauuuuuuuse....of the hell of it? And I sound dumb?
You don’t have to get personal man. I haven’t said anything nasty to you. Stop being a tool.
Capella
Footballguy
https://www.google.com/amp/s/gizmodo.com/rotten-tomatoes-changes-audience-reviews-to-protect-aga-1834980737/amp
Nope it was just pretty much manbabies. Why are you taking such offense to this?
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
Insein
Footballguy
Sorry not being personal but you're basically saying that those that hate this movie are trolls and losers because they can't possibly hate a movie. No one has ever hated a movie before in the history of movies.So you think a major business like RT changed their models becauuuuuuuse....of the hell of it? And I sound dumb?
You don’t have to get personal man. I haven’t said anything nasty to you. Stop being a tool.
And Yes they did. RT admitted it. They changed it for Captain Marvel. Disney didn't like the pre release anti hype and had them take down the "like to see don't want to see" score from the site. They said they did it just because of that movie.
RT is an aggregator. They collect all the critic scores that they want to. They can control the rotten fresh score based on who submits a review to RT (which is just a yay or nay score not a rating).
It's advertising. Having a good RT score can be put into commercials and placed on print ads. People don't know it's not a true rating of value for the movie. Disney pays for good scores to the critics that they want. Same as other movie companies. They don't pay all the critics. Just enough to keep a score high because it means profit. It's the same as investing in the advertising of a movie. If RT has negative publicity for a movie, companies don't like that. Most of the time they can't do anything about it though. Disney has the pockets to say, hey we're removing our ads from your site if you don't fix this.
Insein
Footballguy
I guess we're done here. You believe that every person who disliked TLJ is a manbaby. That'd be like me saying every person that liked TLJ is an idiot.https://www.google.com/amp/s/gizmodo.com/rotten-tomatoes-changes-audience-reviews-to-protect-aga-1834980737/amp
Nope it was just pretty much manbabies. Why are you taking such offense to this?
STEADYMOBBIN 22
Footballguy
Said this before but I’ll say it again. I love the Solo movie. It’s not great but I liked it.
Insein
Footballguy
And the Rose thing is simply not true. In all of that outrage, they never showed a single tweet or DM with this hate filled anger that caused her to "quit social media". Another deflection used to deny that it's just a bad movie.
Capella
Footballguy
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
I liked Solo much more the second time around. I feel the same, not great but I liked it okay.
Insein
Footballguy
You keep showing evidence that it's not possible to have a score that low because of manbabies and trolls and losers. Perhaps, just maybe, it's because people didn't like the movie and wanted to tell other people about it to warn them that it's a bad movie.
Capella
Footballguy
1) lots of people didn’t like it
2) the RT fan scores were manipulated and there were still plenty who didn’t like it and complained there
both of these things can very easily be true.
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Insein
Footballguy
Not very likely though. Funny how RT scores are manipulated just for that one multibillion dollar movie that got a bad score. And not TFA. And not Solo and not Rogue one. All Star Wars movies made by the same company. Just this one movie. There was some vast effort by hundreds of thousands of fans to down vote the movie.
Why only this one then? Why not use that amazing power to down vote every movie they want lowered?
Or maybe, it's a company writing a story to cover up why their movie sucks. RT isn't the only low user score. Metacritic has it at 4.4 out of 10 user score. IMDb has it at 7.1 out of 10 which from the Star wars movies is 4th worst ahead of E1,E2 and Solo.
People just didn't like it.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
The Last Jedi is the Hillary Clinton of Star Wars movies.
"It's everyone else's fault but mine."
"It's everyone else's fault but mine."
Insein
Footballguy
Just for fun, here's how it went down. (pS if you can't tell this is a joke, I can't help you)
KK and Rian: "Bob, people are being mean to us on Rotten tomatoes"
Bob: "Well what are they saying?"
KK and Rian: "That our movie is the worst Star Wars movie ever"
Bob: "Well is it? I don't know I don't watch these things"
KK and Rian: "No! They're just mean trolls and stupid heads. Make them stop"
Bob: " ok ok. I'll have the lawyers tell RT to make those mean people go away."
KK and Rian: "And make sure everyone knows what a bunch of trolls and manbabies they are!"
Bob: "What? Why? How?"
KK and Rian: " Put some articles out there saying that they hacked our reviews."
Bob: " We're already paying top reviewers to give us a high score. Isn't that enough?"
KK and Rian: "No! We need everyone to know that anyone who hates this movie is a troll and a manbaby!"
Bob: "We've never done that though. And what about women that don't like it?"
KK and Rian: "How could women NOT like this? No those are men pretending to be women."
Bob: "Ok so you want me to start a media campaign demeaning and attacking the fans of the series who pay us money to watch these movies just because they didn't like the product."
KK and Rian: "Yes because they're mean troll manbabies!"
Bob: "Alright I guess if you don't think this will backfire on us."
KK and Rian: "Bob, people are being mean to us on Rotten tomatoes"
Bob: "Well what are they saying?"
KK and Rian: "That our movie is the worst Star Wars movie ever"
Bob: "Well is it? I don't know I don't watch these things"
KK and Rian: "No! They're just mean trolls and stupid heads. Make them stop"
Bob: " ok ok. I'll have the lawyers tell RT to make those mean people go away."
KK and Rian: "And make sure everyone knows what a bunch of trolls and manbabies they are!"
Bob: "What? Why? How?"
KK and Rian: " Put some articles out there saying that they hacked our reviews."
Bob: " We're already paying top reviewers to give us a high score. Isn't that enough?"
KK and Rian: "No! We need everyone to know that anyone who hates this movie is a troll and a manbaby!"
Bob: "We've never done that though. And what about women that don't like it?"
KK and Rian: "How could women NOT like this? No those are men pretending to be women."
Bob: "Ok so you want me to start a media campaign demeaning and attacking the fans of the series who pay us money to watch these movies just because they didn't like the product."
KK and Rian: "Yes because they're mean troll manbabies!"
Bob: "Alright I guess if you don't think this will backfire on us."
Capella
Footballguy
I Honestly can’t believe you are referencing one website where the reviews are a full 25% higher as evidence that your argument is right.
Insein
Footballguy
Yes I'm referencing a site that has it rated as the 4th worst Star Wars movie behind E1 and E2 just so you don't think I was cherry picking. IMDb ratings are generally higher because they are rated on a 1-10 scale across a wider range of people not just Star wars fans. Ratings don't tend to go too low on there. For example Transformers Last Knight. Got 33% on RT and a 6.0 on IMDB.
Insein
Footballguy
With all that said I hope people enjoy E9. I'm not trying to yuck anyone's yum. If you like something, enjoy it. No need to bash people that don't like it. Especially people that have enjoyed a franchise for far longer than those who are just getting into it. We have a right to our opinion just as much as you do.
I won't be going into the E9 thread except maybe to read until I've watched it a year from now. I don't want to discourage people from liking it.
I won't be going into the E9 thread except maybe to read until I've watched it a year from now. I don't want to discourage people from liking it.
Capella
Footballguy
I wasn’t bashing anybody for not liking it. I didn’t say every person who didn’t like it was some online troll.
It’s fine through, tired discussion.
Bull Dozier
Footballguy
What this thread has taught me is that I must be getting old. In my younger days I would dive headlong into this debate. But at this point I'm fine just spending $8 on this and being entertained for a couple of hours.
Not judging other people for caring more. I certainly used to. I guess I'm just over it at this point.
Not judging other people for caring more. I certainly used to. I guess I'm just over it at this point.
Scoresman
Footballguy
Except star wars fans tend to be the most ridiculously pedantic movie reviewers out there.
RT fan score:
AotC 56%
TLJ 44%
Insein
Footballguy
Uh huh. That's why they gave TFA an 86, Rogue One and 86 and even Solo a 64? Can't have been because the movie was bad and fans didn't like it.
We just did this whole argument above.
Insein
Footballguy
It's fine. You liked the movie that's why you don't understand. To me the Prequels were a 100x more Star Wars than TLJ ever could be and infinitely more entertaining. That's not saying the Prequels were masterpieces. It's just an indictment on how terrible a movie TLJ was in all facets.
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